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Jcmillineum
29-09-11, 20:12
Anyone checked this one out? 10 min walk to Serangoon MRT and NEX. Excellent layout for studios, one and two bedders!
I highly recommend this one. Just got one in fact. Launched recently on the 24 September 2011. Went on the day of the launch. Excellent choice!

mcmlxxvi
29-09-11, 20:24
Welcome to Club Fragrance. ;)

You can bet this TOP next Oct...

hyenergix
29-09-11, 20:34
Urban Residences is better right?

bargain hunter
29-09-11, 20:36
how many units had been sold? i had the impression that i saw streamers and a VVIP preview in aug but saw that very few units were sold in aug (very unlike fragrance).



Anyone checked this one out? 10 min walk to Serangoon MRT and NEX. Excellent layout for studios, one and two bedders!
I highly recommend this one. Just got one in fact. Launched recently on the 24 September 2011. Went on the day of the launch. Excellent choice!

bargain hunter
29-09-11, 20:37
urban resi higher quantum for bigger units and faces the t-junction.


Urban Residences is better right?

Fleur
29-09-11, 21:21
Interesting. What is the psf for 1-bedder?

land118
29-09-11, 21:26
Welcome to Club Fragrance. ;)

You can bet this TOP next Oct...
Confirmed, since only 5 storey development, "short time", chop chop, they finish in 12mths (max 15mths) like Kovan Grandeur. Double quick time...:D

Jcmillineum
29-09-11, 21:42
Confirmed, since only 5 storey development, "short time", chop chop, they finish in 12mths (max 15mths) like Kovan Grandeur. Double quick time...:D

Yes, I can't wait for it to be completed! I think this one is better than urban residence which is near T junction and bad facing....
Suites @ Paya Lebar will be snapped up in no time....!
I love the walk from there to Nex! Perfect if you know the shortcut, only 10 min!!!

hyenergix
29-09-11, 22:07
Yes, I can't wait for it to be completed! I think this one is better than urban residence which is near T junction and bad facing....
Suites @ Paya Lebar will be snapped up in no time....!
I love the walk from there to Nex! Perfect if you know the shortcut, only 10 min!!!

U sound like an agent there. I doubt it is a 10 min leisurely walk. I will take a look at the showflat when I'm free in the next 1-2 week.

devilplate
30-09-11, 00:22
Really sounds like an agt:scared-3:

More like 10min brisk walk

devilplate
30-09-11, 00:26
Vy similar layout as kovan grandeur

1yr TOP no sweat:D

land118
30-09-11, 01:09
U sound like an agent there. I doubt it is a 10 min leisurely walk. I will take a look at the showflat when I'm free in the next 1-2 week.
Maybe 10mins "false march" army style...

Walk with wife or girlfriend, even with the short cut that JCMilinem is talking about should be about 15mins from point to point including waiting time at traffic lights,etc.

Distance as per property guru is 750m to Serangoon MRT (Nex). Old man walk maybe 20mins...:2cents:

ysyap
30-09-11, 06:21
Interesting. What is the psf for 1-bedder?The psf is pretty high. My agent told me about 1.5 months back that the studio apartment is close to $500k for only <350 sq ft.

mcmlxxvi
30-09-11, 19:02
Vy similar layout as kovan grandeur

1yr TOP no sweat:D

Exact same look as Suites @ East Coast. Just add yellow color to fins...

Jcmillineum
01-10-11, 22:47
Really sounds like an agt:scared-3:

More like 10min brisk walk

haha, i just bought it la.....went there to look at it again...went to urban residence too...too expensive:scared-4:

DC33_2008
02-10-11, 10:56
Congrats. Do you have layout of units?
haha, i just bought it la.....went there to look at it again...went to urban residence too...too expensive:scared-4:

ysyap
02-10-11, 11:51
haha, i just bought it la.....went there to look at it again...went to urban residence too...too expensive:scared-4:You bought a 2 bedder or 3 bedder? Is it good for investment or home stay? Nearby Urban Residence and The Vue all offer small sized units priced at $1200psf to $1400psf. How much is this project asking currently?

ecimbew
02-10-11, 12:06
This is opposite Minton right?

mcmlxxvi
02-10-11, 13:18
Really dunno whats this about x or y mins walking... got money to buy/stay condo no money to take cab ma?

Just gotta make sure not too deep in and can easiiy flag down cab.

land118
02-10-11, 13:53
This is opposite Minton right?

Diagonal opposite, probably about 100m-150m away...closed to T-junction ( upper paya lebar - Lor Ah Soo )Should be the old Charles Ville apartment enbloc plot...

land118
02-10-11, 14:02
Fragrance Group making good$ from this project:

http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporebusinessnews/view/1093594/1/.html

Fragrance Properties to buy S$28m site
By Jo-ann Huang | Posted: 15 November 2010 1530 hrs

SINGAPORE: Fragrance Properties, the property development unit of Fragrance Group, is acquiring a site at Upper Paya Lebar Road for S$28 million.

Known as MK23 Lot 03331T, the site currently houses a block of old apartments.

The freehold site is zoned for residential development.

It has a total land area of 3,173.6 square metres and has a maximum gross plot ratio of 1.4.

The land can yield a maximum permissable gross floor area of 4.887.34 square metres, including an additional 10 per cent balcony space.

Pending approval, Fragrance Properties intends to develop a residential apartment building on the site.

It intends to finance the acquisition and development through internal funds and bank loans.

The transaction is not expected to have any material impact on the company's earnings and net tangible assets for the current financial year.

-CNA/wk

graveyard
05-10-11, 20:03
haha, i just bought it la.....went there to look at it again...went to urban residence too...too expensive:scared-4:

hi JCmillinuem, we cld be neighbours. i got one at blk 11, which blk is yrs in

seems like u are very satisfied with the purchase! haa .. well to me, it's not exactly a very satisfying buy ..but a reasonable deal (considering i cant afford anything more exp than this!). when i was at the show house, manyh studios are available and units with pool view esp at 2nd/3rd levels hv been sold. So no choice but to get a higher floor

i would say the walking distance to serangoon mrt is probably btw 10-15mins .. 10mins on normal pace and 15mins on brisk walk, theres a traffic to cross so that adds to the total time. i wldnt walk in early morning en route to office .. rather take a bus nearby and 2 stops to serangoon mrt. at least we dont hv to rush/worry over connecting bus when we catch the last train on the circle line as we can walk back

i bought it for stay as i am a foreigner and am sick of helping ppl paying their mortgage so decided i will be happier paying for my own. I bought it because:

1) its a small project of 99 units, mainly studios and one bedder (so less human traffic - or so i hope!!). i am renting in whitewater now in pasir ris, EC. And weekends are nightmare for me when i drop by the clubhouse to surf net or read because kids will be screaming and there seems to be birthday party for the kids every weekend. The same happens at the pool area. Many ppl BBQing and kids shrieking so i decided i want to hole up in a quiet place and live like a hermit.

2) quite spacious glass walled balcony (just personal preference- i like big balcony with heaps of natual lights) and a view of whole stretch of the 24m long pool as my block is in the middle

3) walking distance to serangoon mrt and nearby stuff like the new paya lebar business park and upgrade of circle line/serangoon interchange (i think more buses connects to more plcs??)

4) quick finishing by oct 2012 est. most of the new launch now wil be ready only in 3yrs time so the faster i get the keys, the bettter for me

like i said, not a star buy to me (was actually hoping i didnt make the decision so i could look at more options like euhabitat !!) but like u, i cant wait to get the keys!

hyenergix
05-10-11, 20:38
U missed Park Residences which is a better buy as it is a 5 min walk to MRT, and two 24 hour petrol stations are nearby.

graveyard
05-10-11, 20:56
U missed Park Residences which is a better buy as it is a 5 min walk to MRT, and two 24 hour petrol stations are nearby.

yea! and others i think. well cant really reverse my decision as paid up the 20% and no use bashing myself, jsut move on and make the most out of the buy!

ysyap
05-10-11, 21:05
yea! and others i think. well cant really reverse my decision as paid up the 20% and no use bashing myself, jsut move on and make the most out of the buy!Don't feel bad. Think Park Residences is more expensive. Key is not to think about any 'what if's. It will never end. :o Congrats on your purchase!

graveyard
05-10-11, 21:19
Don't feel bad. Think Park Residences is more expensive. Key is not to think about any 'what if's. It will never end. :o Congrats on your purchase!

hi ysyap! Thanks! yeah i share your view too ..there are endless "what if" in life ...to begin with, it was already a bad time for me to buy a unit with the euro crisis and stock crash .. then "what if" i boguht the unit in 2009 when housing prices are down under ... blah blah blah

if we keep on harping on these whatifs, life gonna be miserable. i think whats impt is we have a roof over our head and its a roof we can call our own. :)

kane
05-10-11, 21:28
Confirmed, since only 5 storey development, "short time", chop chop, they finish in 12mths (max 15mths) like Kovan Grandeur. Double quick time...:D

they want their pay cheque asap.

graveyard
05-10-11, 21:49
they want their pay cheque asap.


i just hope they wont compromise the quality juz because they wan rush it out fast !:scared-1:

mcmlxxvi
05-10-11, 22:21
i just hope they wont compromise the quality juz because they wan rush it out fast !:scared-1:

i have had 3 of their developments and i can say they are all of decent quality and workmanship. Rest assured.

graveyard
05-10-11, 22:43
i have had 3 of their developments and i can say they are all of decent quality and workmanship. Rest assured.

thanks for the assurance. fragrance thg its a big hotel builder, is no big player in the housing market unlike cdl, far east etc. So initially i am a bit skeptical too.

mcmlxxvi
05-10-11, 23:17
thanks for the assurance. fragrance thg its a big hotel builder, is no big player in the housing market unlike cdl, far east etc. So initially i am a bit skeptical too.

they always use same architect, contractor, etc so already all very familiar with the design, process etc.

graveyard
06-10-11, 00:52
they always use same architect, contractor, etc so already all very familiar with the design, process etc.


yeah u are right. i would expect them to sub contract as well...its gonna be awesome if they can complete the project 1 year from now as claimed. is this one of the developments you are holding?

devilplate
06-10-11, 00:54
yeah u are right. i would expect them to sub contract as well...its gonna be awesome if they can complete the project 1 year from now as claimed. is this one of the developments you are holding?
Kovan grandeur by fragrance just TOP....u may wana pay a visit n look at the worksmanship

graveyard
06-10-11, 01:05
Kovan grandeur by fragrance just TOP....u may wana pay a visit n look at the worksmanship

thanks devilplate. but are we allowed to get past the guard and view? Or smoke through? i would think the showroom is long gone right

ysyap
06-10-11, 07:15
thanks devilplate. but are we allowed to get past the guard and view? Or smoke through? i would think the showroom is long gone rightJust check out who's selling, contact the agent and wolah, you are inside the development looking at their finishes, etc. :spliff:

stl67
06-10-11, 09:16
In 07, back I went to see the stretch of landed properties done by Fragrance with my contractor to get some idea.

My contractor told me that his uncle was the main contractor for this project and was completed at lightning speed. He said that the plastering/painting was done so fast and the paint will peel/discoloured in no time. This is quite true as I recently saw owners started to repaint. This is the exterior problem and not sure about the interior.

You can PM me if you want the address.

hyenergix
06-10-11, 09:20
Fragrance does build very fast. A bit too fast for housing projects. Workmanship at places you can't see could be an issue.

devilplate
06-10-11, 09:25
In 07, back I went to see the stretch of landed properties done by Fragrance with my contractor to get some idea.

My contractor told me that his uncle was the main contractor for this project and was completed at lightning speed. He said that the plastering/painting was done so fast and the paint will peel/discoloured in no time. This is quite true as I recently saw owners started to repaint. This is the exterior problem and not sure about the interior.

You can PM me if you want the address.

many condos's exterior paint started to discolored/algae stains within 5yrs....peel off not a norm

u nid to observe how they do it......they basically using similar template for all their projects.....and they really employed LOTS of workers to build!!!!!

u goto some super slow projects like verte....gosh....hardly see any workers working....LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ysyap
06-10-11, 09:27
Fragrance does build very fast. A bit too fast for housing projects. Workmanship at places you can't see could be an issue.The price to pay for quick move-in... :scared-3:

devilplate
06-10-11, 09:29
The price to pay for quick move-in... :scared-3:

slow doesnt mean goodie

seaview best example....they build in normal pace

ysyap
06-10-11, 09:32
According to my simple understanding, paint work and fittings can be done pretty quickly. Once the first coat of paint dries up, a second coat can be applied. This does not take more than a week. Its actually the setting of concrete that requires time. If its a high rise project, each storey can only be build after the concrete of the lower storey is set. This can take anything from a week to a month, depending on the weather conditions and the workers available. I'm not the expert but only sharing what I understand. 5 storey projects should be theoretically completed relatively quicker than a high rise project given the same number of units for both projects. :p

devilplate
06-10-11, 09:38
According to my simple understanding, paint work and fittings can be done pretty quickly. Once the first coat of paint dries up, a second coat can be applied. This does not take more than a week. Its actually the setting of concrete that requires time. If its a high rise project, each storey can only be build after the concrete of the lower storey is set. This can take anything from a week to a month, depending on the weather conditions and the workers available. I'm not the expert but only sharing what I understand. 5 storey projects should be theoretically completed relatively quicker than a high rise project given the same number of units for both projects. :p

YES.....

and landed house rebuild process only takes 9mths:D

devilplate
06-10-11, 09:40
for kovan grandeur, i remember seeing them started doing the basement level during their initial launch liao.....and really LOTS of workers!!!

ysyap
06-10-11, 09:55
Consolidation of resources for one project and push out at double quick time before embarking on the next. Hmmm... Good for developers, can collect big earnings quickly, but is it good for buyers??? :hell-hath-no-fury:

devilplate
06-10-11, 09:58
Consolidation of resources for one project and push out at double quick time before embarking on the next. Hmmm... Good for developers, can collect big earnings quickly, but is it good for buyers??? :hell-hath-no-fury:

if quality and worksmanship ok, y not! i wud love it..... but cannot all the projects in SG build so fast .....oversupply problem...LOL

hyenergix
06-10-11, 10:00
Fragrance should build HDB.

devilplate
06-10-11, 10:02
Fragrance should build HDB.

hdb all high rise and larger project....impossible to complete within 1yr

graveyard
06-10-11, 10:02
In 07, back I went to see the stretch of landed properties done by Fragrance with my contractor to get some idea.

My contractor told me that his uncle was the main contractor for this project and was completed at lightning speed. He said that the plastering/painting was done so fast and the paint will peel/discoloured in no time. This is quite true as I recently saw owners started to repaint. This is the exterior problem and not sure about the interior.

You can PM me if you want the address.


hmm. i recall the s&p agreements states we can raise any defects to fragrance for a period of 1 year upon TOP

i will take note of this and escalate if the paintwork is shoddy and goes off.

devilplate
06-10-11, 10:13
hmm. i recall the s&p agreements states we can raise any defects to fragrance for a period of 1 year upon TOP

i will take note of this and escalate if the paintwork is shoddy and goes off.

for interior paintwork, developer only apply basecoat....its better for u to paint it again....if for own stay, u surely will paint it anyway:D

for exterior, u can collectively raised tgt wif other SPs for a repaint if peeling happens.....peeling =shoddy!:tsk-tsk:

Laguna
06-10-11, 10:55
I track the building speed of the developers...
of about the same size, same heights...
MCL is the fastest....

graveyard
06-10-11, 11:15
for interior paintwork, developer only apply basecoat....its better for u to paint it again....if for own stay, u surely will paint it anyway:D

for exterior, u can collectively raised tgt wif other SPs for a repaint if peeling happens.....peeling =shoddy!:tsk-tsk:

ohh. i wasnt actually planning to repaint it. looks like i hv to do that too. mine is only 398 sqf so maybe i may use wallpaper if its not too exp. Tks for advice. looks like i hv to research more on this

victorchoo
06-10-11, 13:54
I had a first floor unit by frangrance previously. Within 6 mths, the alignment of the wardrobe runs after the building structure sets in. There were alot of cracks on the walls too. And water proofing on the connecting wall from the toilet is an issue as well...

Just sharing. :o

ecimbew
06-10-11, 14:06
I had a first floor unit by frangrance previously. Within 6 mths, the alignment of the wardrobe runs after the building structure sets in. There were alot of cracks on the walls too. And water proofing on the connecting wall from the toilet is an issue as well...

Just sharing. :o

How fast did you sell it after these defects were discovered?

victorchoo
06-10-11, 16:36
How fast did you sell it after these defects were discovered?

one year later. after I gotten the management to paint and repaint the wall... but the misalignment of the wardrobe cannot be helped... Sell in as-is condition lor... :beats-me-man:

devilplate
06-10-11, 18:39
I had a first floor unit by frangrance previously. Within 6 mths, the alignment of the wardrobe runs after the building structure sets in. There were alot of cracks on the walls too. And water proofing on the connecting wall from the toilet is an issue as well...

Just sharing. :o
Hairline cracks on the wall? Its vy common...jus nid to plaster it when u paint again

But water proofing issue not common within 6mths after TOP....so did they solve it?

victorchoo
06-10-11, 19:01
Hairline cracks on the wall? Its vy common...jus nid to plaster it when u paint again

But water proofing issue not common within 6mths after TOP....so did they solve it?

Not exactly... just keep painting and painting and painting lor... And it was very disruptive to my tenant even though i volunteered to escort the contractors everytime they come. I was feeling so exhausted that finally i just sold it off. :o

ysyap
06-10-11, 21:09
Not exactly... just keep painting and painting and painting lor... And it was very disruptive to my tenant even though i volunteered to escort the contractors everytime they come. I was feeling so exhausted that finally i just sold it off. :oThank you for sharing your unpleasant experience. Good to know if considering buying projects by Fragrance...:spliff:

graveyard
06-10-11, 21:20
Not exactly... just keep painting and painting and painting lor... And it was very disruptive to my tenant even though i volunteered to escort the contractors everytime they come. I was feeling so exhausted that finally i just sold it off. :o

hi victor, thanks for sharing your experience. How would u rate fragrance in terms of responsiveness, responsibility and follow up? if i got the defects and the follow through is crappy, i will be sure to escalate to the mgmt and share my experience too:hell-hath-no-fury:

graveyard
06-10-11, 21:23
I had a first floor unit by frangrance previously. Within 6 mths, the alignment of the wardrobe runs after the building structure sets in. There were alot of cracks on the walls too. And water proofing on the connecting wall from the toilet is an issue as well...

Just sharing. :o

how can they paint off the cracks on walls? should be still visible rite. i tot they should stuff some cement stuff to close the gaps/cracks

is the wardrobe built in? mine will come with built in ..damn, gotta look out for the misalignment too .. thanks,. i am gg to compile all these like a check list ...

ysyap
06-10-11, 21:50
how can they paint off the cracks on walls? should be still visible rite. i tot they should stuff some cement stuff to close the gaps/cracks

is the wardrobe built in? mine will come with built in ..damn, gotta look out for the misalignment too .. thanks,. i am gg to compile all these like a check list ...Think they can only repair the cracks with plaster and then painting it again... yes, good to compile checklists. Will only serve you well. All the best! :o

graveyard
06-10-11, 22:01
Think they can only repair the cracks with plaster and then painting it again... yes, good to compile checklists. Will only serve you well. All the best! :o

haa. thanks ysyap. was influenced by my colleague who just got his key to livia. hes often on the phone iwith the contractor / cdl customer service because of some defects. and yeah you gotta fight for what you deserve. hes good at escalating and in the end, they have to give in

victorchoo
06-10-11, 22:01
hi victor, thanks for sharing your experience. How would u rate fragrance in terms of responsiveness, responsibility and follow up? if i got the defects and the follow through is crappy, i will be sure to escalate to the mgmt and share my experience too:hell-hath-no-fury:

Fragrance is quite responsive actually. :o


how can they paint off the cracks on walls? should be still visible rite. i tot they should stuff some cement stuff to close the gaps/cracks

is the wardrobe built in? mine will come with built in ..damn, gotta look out for the misalignment too .. thanks,. i am gg to compile all these like a check list ...

yes. built-in. The misalignment is very obvious. u won't miss it for sure... :o

graveyard
07-10-11, 00:14
Fragrance is quite responsive actually. :o



yes. built-in. The misalignment is very obvious. u won't miss it for sure... :o


Nice. Those in the hotel line better care more abt customer satisfaction?

ok, i gonna taking a measuring tape and measure. cant stand shoddy work!

azeoprop
07-10-11, 01:07
Found some floor plans here:
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/7022448/for-sale-suites-paya-lebar

Wonder if they will reduce price or not?
:beats-me-man:

graveyard
07-10-11, 01:55
Found some floor plans here:
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/7022448/for-sale-suites-paya-lebar

Wonder if they will reduce price or not?
:beats-me-man:


i have the ebrochure which has the floor plan for all the types (from studio to PH). if you want, i can email you. hmm this project is not exactly what i would say hot .. hardly see any ad or mktg and sales may not be good, so they may reduce $$. Can check with the developer

ecimbew
07-10-11, 08:54
What's so desirable about this place?

graveyard
07-10-11, 13:49
What's so desirable about this place?

nothing much. i said it before. i dont think its a star buy. its not that near nor too far from mrt, its a small project, it has a standard pool, gym, function room, bbq pit. quite a normal development

Jcmillineum
08-10-11, 16:15
nothing much. i said it before. i dont think its a star buy. its not that near nor too far from mrt, its a small project, it has a standard pool, gym, function room, bbq pit. quite a normal development

However, not many properties have studios and 1 bedders facing the pool...this is a star buy thats not discovered yet. it will be chomped up ike cakes soon...u just wait and see:tongue3:

graveyard
08-10-11, 17:10
However, not many properties have studios and 1 bedders facing the pool...this is a star buy thats not discovered yet. it will be chomped up ike cakes soon...u just wait and see:tongue3:


Haaa. you really sound like an agent! hmmm really? is it true for most projects, the studios and 1 bedder are not facing the pool? i didnt really check out the other projects.. but yea, i like the pool view. and its a 24m pool unlike certain small projects with a pool in which you can finish a lap in seconds. And i love NEX - 24hrs NTUC and late movies!

graveyard
08-10-11, 17:13
However, not many properties have studios and 1 bedders facing the pool...this is a star buy thats not discovered yet. it will be chomped up ike cakes soon...u just wait and see:tongue3:

in case u missed out my earlier msgs, i bought a unit. pool view

ysyap
08-10-11, 21:26
i have the ebrochure which has the floor plan for all the types (from studio to PH). if you want, i can email you. hmm this project is not exactly what i would say hot .. hardly see any ad or mktg and sales may not be good, so they may reduce $$. Can check with the developerNo ads means developer is saving on advertising cost. As such, they are more ready to bargain with buyers because less cost to cover. They just make the agents work harder. :cool:

graveyard
08-10-11, 21:44
No ads means developer is saving on advertising cost. As such, they are more ready to bargain with buyers because less cost to cover. They just make the agents work harder. :cool:

true esp now when one bedder and studios are in high demand and this project is mostly these. not sure if the early bird discounts are still available .. i got a feeling if the units are not selling well, the agents still gonna throw the carrot out. anyway, too many condos springing up.. i think its a buyers market now esp with the dark clouds ahead :tsk-tsk:

graveyard
08-10-11, 21:49
true esp now when one bedder and studios are in high demand and this project is mostly these. not sure if the early bird discounts are still available .. i got a feeling if the units are not selling well, the agents still gonna throw the carrot out. anyway, too many condos springing up.. i think its a buyers market now esp with the dark clouds ahead :tsk-tsk:

big time developers are sending out a strong signal to the market with fancy adv. Like how i am attracted to the nice adv run by far east for euhabitat.. lovely theme song and models :D

hopeful
08-10-11, 23:40
However, not many properties have studios and 1 bedders facing the pool...this is a star buy thats not discovered yet. it will be chomped up ike cakes soon...u just wait and see:tongue3:

do we have new definition of star buys?
star buy = studios and 1 bedders facing the pool.

DC33_2008
09-10-11, 11:17
Did you see FEO tie-up with SUTD on the lecture series will renowed architects. Lots of $.
big time developers are sending out a strong signal to the market with fancy adv. Like how i am attracted to the nice adv run by far east for euhabitat.. lovely theme song and models :D

ysyap
09-10-11, 13:00
true esp now when one bedder and studios are in high demand and this project is mostly these. not sure if the early bird discounts are still available .. i got a feeling if the units are not selling well, the agents still gonna throw the carrot out. anyway, too many condos springing up.. i think its a buyers market now esp with the dark clouds ahead :tsk-tsk:MM units are too saturated in today's market. Too many developers cashing in on this type of units. Wonder how the housing scene will be like in the next decade? Big units are in higher demand? Hmmm... LOL! :spliff:

Jcmillineum
09-10-11, 13:40
big time developers are sending out a strong signal to the market with fancy adv. Like how i am attracted to the nice adv run by far east for euhabitat.. lovely theme song and models :D

EUhabitat?....No way....so far from MRT, so near expressway and only 99 years at a premium price...heard a lot of Chinese nationals buying also...yucks.:tongue3:

Jcmillineum
09-10-11, 13:42
in case u missed out my earlier msgs, i bought a unit. pool view

Me too....and I think we bought the same stack...lol

DC33_2008
09-10-11, 16:16
It can be like fashion. Old design may return some day.
MM units are too saturated in today's market. Too many developers cashing in on this type of units. Wonder how the housing scene will be like in the next decade? Big units are in higher demand? Hmmm... LOL! :spliff:

graveyard
09-10-11, 16:36
Me too....and I think we bought the same stack...lol

lets have a celebration at the bbq pit when we get the keys LOL :D

graveyard
09-10-11, 16:42
EUhabitat?....No way....so far from MRT, so near expressway and only 99 years at a premium price...heard a lot of Chinese nationals buying also...yucks.:tongue3:

the ad is very enticing. till i read some comments here dat its in sunken land and near expressway. but its still selling like hotcakes. oh godd ..serious? i cant stand noisy places and the china chinese talk especially loud (no offence, its just my personal observation .. think its the culturally/socially influenced).. dats why i stay away from big projects

graveyard
09-10-11, 16:52
Did you see FEO tie-up with SUTD on the lecture series will renowed architects. Lots of $.

expert in marketinggg. its also a signal of how much it is earning from the condos ....:(

graveyard
09-10-11, 16:58
MM units are too saturated in today's market. Too many developers cashing in on this type of units. Wonder how the housing scene will be like in the next decade? Big units are in higher demand? Hmmm... LOL! :spliff:

i think for own stay, home buyers will always prefer big units to small units. The demand for MM comes from the fact many ppl cannot afford big unit condos and yet are not eligible to buy hdb (like myself) so no choice but to settle for studios and one bedder. for investment, similarly big units are preferred but because small unit is cheaper and easier to rent out, demand is high for small units

graveyard
09-10-11, 17:01
do we have new definition of star buys?
star buy = studios and 1 bedders facing the pool.

quite subjective, wads a star buy to me may not be one to you. it depends on the value u place. i value pool view so an unit with one is a star buy. u may value an unit with many facilities so getting an unit at minton or euhabitat is a starbuy

DC33_2008
09-10-11, 17:36
Last time small is one or two bedder ranging from 600 - 1000 sqft. Now is MM studio unit from 300plus sqft. Two people in the past in a 600 sqft is halves in today's context. :(
i think for own stay, home buyers will always prefer big units to small units. The demand for MM comes from the fact many ppl cannot afford big unit condos and yet are not eligible to buy hdb (like myself) so no choice but to settle for studios and one bedder. for investment, similarly big units are preferred but because small unit is cheaper and easier to rent out, demand is high for small units

ecimbew
09-10-11, 17:59
Last time small is one or two bedder ranging from 600 - 1000 sqft. Now is MM studio unit from 300plus sqft. Two people in the past in a 600 sqft is halves in today's context. :(

300 sq ft is like the size of normal hotel room sizes in Swissotel.

graveyard
09-10-11, 19:27
Last time small is one or two bedder ranging from 600 - 1000 sqft. Now is MM studio unit from 300plus sqft. Two people in the past in a 600 sqft is halves in today's context. :(

yeah, its like hk. the rooms there are freaking small. the studio is meant for one rite. its vry cramped having 2 persons in a studio of ard 300+ sqf

Laguna
09-10-11, 19:43
EUhabitat?....No way....so far from MRT, so near expressway and only 99 years at a premium price...heard a lot of Chinese nationals buying also...yucks.:tongue3:

Oops, noted ur only interested in all the suites....

For Euhabitat, if u know which one to buy, u will find there are few jewel crowns inside at very attractive pricing.

But, no more...all gone

devilplate
09-10-11, 21:24
MM units are too saturated in today's market. Too many developers cashing in on this type of units. Wonder how the housing scene will be like in the next decade? Big units are in higher demand? Hmmm... LOL! :spliff:
Only when ppty px crash by 30% and ltv resume back to 80%, den investors will go bck to 2bdr instead of mm

Last time developer hardly build 1bdr.....and investors usually attack 2bdrs first....now 2bdr become 3-4bdr price plus 60% ltv.....1mil budget becomes 500k....mm surely thrives during this period

ysyap
09-10-11, 23:30
Last time small is one or two bedder ranging from 600 - 1000 sqft. Now is MM studio unit from 300plus sqft. Two people in the past in a 600 sqft is halves in today's context. :(Since psf has doubled over the years, developers reckoned that size must be halved to achieve a constant affordable price tag... :doh:

ysyap
09-10-11, 23:33
Only when ppty px crash by 30% and ltv resume back to 80%, den investors will go bck to 2bdr instead of mm
The whole world is waiting for this day... 30% correction is very unlikely, though not impossible. If 30% correction really happens, ltv resumption will never happen liao. The two cannot co-exist easilyi leh! :rolleyes:

devilplate
10-10-11, 00:15
The whole world is waiting for this day... 30% correction is very unlikely, though not impossible. If 30% correction really happens, ltv resumption will never happen liao. The two cannot co-exist easilyi leh! :rolleyes:
Ppty px crash den govt will reverse the cooling measures

graveyard
10-10-11, 00:18
The whole world is waiting for this day... 30% correction is very unlikely, though not impossible. If 30% correction really happens, ltv resumption will never happen liao. The two cannot co-exist easilyi leh! :rolleyes:

may i ask what is ltv?

fclim
10-10-11, 00:28
MM units are too saturated in today's market. Too many developers cashing in on this type of units. Wonder how the housing scene will be like in the next decade? Big units are in higher demand? Hmmm... LOL! :spliff:

Actually, big units are also in higher demand now. Noticed 4 bedders can sell out quite fast. People got deep pockets. :beats-me-man: Guess if upgrade from HDB, must at least stay in comparable size condo. No use squeezing whole family into MM. Also, big size means can stay long long. No need to upgrade again when family gets bigger, thus can ride out the property cycles better.

graveyard
10-10-11, 01:42
Actually, big units are also in higher demand now. Noticed 4 bedders can sell out quite fast. People got deep pockets. :beats-me-man: Guess if upgrade from HDB, must at least stay in comparable size condo. No use squeezing whole family into MM. Also, big size means can stay long long. No need to upgrade again when family gets bigger, thus can ride out the property cycles better.

Do families buy MM for own stay?? in my opinion, MM is at most for 2 ppl. in fact i would think even 2 will find it cramped.

ysyap
10-10-11, 07:09
Ppty px crash den govt will reverse the cooling measuresPty price crash, govt does not need to reverse the CM to encourage more to buy coz its already very low. Rather, it is to promote employment to help people to buy. CM may be reviewed and changed accordingly too. :D

ysyap
10-10-11, 07:11
may i ask what is ltv?LTV means 'Loan to value'. Its the guiding factor that banks can loan to the borrower according to the value of his house. 80% LTV means banks can only loan up to 80% of the value of the house. Currently, its 60% LTV for 2nd or more properties which have not been fully paid. :o

ysyap
10-10-11, 07:14
Actually, big units are also in higher demand now. Noticed 4 bedders can sell out quite fast. People got deep pockets. :beats-me-man: Guess if upgrade from HDB, must at least stay in comparable size condo. No use squeezing whole family into MM. Also, big size means can stay long long. No need to upgrade again when family gets bigger, thus can ride out the property cycles better.Agreed that 4 bedders are gaining popularity too, although not as hot as MM. Was just thinking what about those older condos which maybe 2 or 3 bedders but command a much larger size like 1200 sq ft for a non 1st floor and non penthouse 2 bedder unit or a 1500 sq ft for a 3 bedder? Hmmm... are these popular too? :beats-me-man:

graveyard
10-10-11, 17:39
Agreed that 4 bedders are gaining popularity too, although not as hot as MM. Was just thinking what about those older condos which maybe 2 or 3 bedders but command a much larger size like 1200 sq ft for a non 1st floor and non penthouse 2 bedder unit or a 1500 sq ft for a 3 bedder? Hmmm... are these popular too? :beats-me-man:

definitely!! Its down to supply and demand .. Supply of big sized condo is low …hence demand is high. Hard to find big condos .. I used to stay in an old condo behind ngee ann poly. Very nice quiet surroundings with grennery .. Big unit (2 stories). Landlord staying at a new condo thats much smaller. when i asked why didnt he sell the old condo, he said its hard to find such big size condo anymore and he has rcv premium offers for the unit yet hes not selling it. probably holding for enbloc?? anw, its a really nice condo .. just that facilities are run down and quirky design (2.5m deep pool !! more for diving rather than swimming)but yea .. big old condo are like red wine .. they appreciate with timeeee :D

azeoprop
10-10-11, 17:43
Update 10th Oct 2011. :)

Sample pricing inclusive of 8% discount:
1 bedroom
#02-07 409sqft $540040 face main road
#05-18 409sqft $574080 face pool
#02-16 409sqft $548320 face church

2 bedroom
#02-03 614sqft $790280 face main road
#04-02 614sqft $819720 face pool
#02-13 646sqft $851920 face church

According to the board at the site, TOP by Oct 2012. :scared-3:

graveyard
10-10-11, 19:07
Update 10th Oct 2011. :)

Sample pricing inclusive of 8% discount:
1 bedroom
#02-07 409sqft $540040 face main road
#05-18 409sqft $574080 face pool
#02-16 409sqft $548320 face church

2 bedroom
#02-03 614sqft $790280 face main road
#04-02 614sqft $819720 face pool
#02-13 646sqft $851920 face church

According to the board at the site, TOP by Oct 2012. :scared-3:

azeoprop, thanks heaps for the photo!! where did u get it?! oh my dats a mess compared to what i saw on site 3 mths back. good to know things are progressing fast .. looks like they can really rush it out by 2012 end.

looks like they are still offering the 8% discount. do you know est. how many units left for sales?

graveyard
10-10-11, 19:24
azeoprop, thanks heaps for the photo!! where did u get it?! oh my dats a mess compared to what i saw on site 3 mths back. good to know things are progressing fast .. looks like they can really rush it out by 2012 end.

looks like they are still offering the 8% discount. do you know est. how many units left for sales?


i think they up the price for pool view!

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:37
the ad is very enticing. till i read some comments here dat its in sunken land and near expressway. but its still selling like hotcakes. oh godd ..serious? i cant stand noisy places and the china chinese talk especially loud (no offence, its just my personal observation .. think its the culturally/socially influenced).. dats why i stay away from big projects

Yuckky ones always need good ads to entice mah....besides, it's district 14, gelling district. Cute models can't sway me from buying this...:tsk-tsk:

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:39
lets have a celebration at the bbq pit when we get the keys LOL :D

Sure...:) can't wait...actually, its a short wait...see u in 1 year time yeah?...:D

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:42
quite subjective, wads a star buy to me may not be one to you. it depends on the value u place. i value pool view so an unit with one is a star buy. u may value an unit with many facilities so getting an unit at minton or euhabitat is a starbuy

Yup ...our starbuy definition is the same:o
pool facing one bedder with a nice balcony to chill out in...imagine alfresco dining beside the pool, candlelit dinners...and all at an affordable price for an MM....definitely a star buy...*high five*

heard less than 10 units left for pool facing now...:scared-5: congrats to all who got it on time!!

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:44
300 sq ft is like the size of normal hotel room sizes in Swissotel.

Imagine hotel stay every day....but we get direct pool facing, whereas we don't get that in swissotel otherwise....lol
can't wait!!!!!....lol

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:47
Actually, big units are also in higher demand now. Noticed 4 bedders can sell out quite fast. People got deep pockets. :beats-me-man: Guess if upgrade from HDB, must at least stay in comparable size condo. No use squeezing whole family into MM. Also, big size means can stay long long. No need to upgrade again when family gets bigger, thus can ride out the property cycles better.

The coming trend is of the singles and the small families....more and more MMs due to this family and lifestyle trend. More and more people feeling that big families are not practical and a liability. This trend is in our favour..:scared-1:

graveyard
10-10-11, 20:53
Yuckky ones always need good ads to entice mah....besides, it's district 14, gelling district. Cute models can't sway me from buying this...:tsk-tsk:

WOW ..strong supporter of fragrance. they should give u 20% discount for customer loyalty

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:53
i think they up the price for pool view!

Good thing we got it first few days after the launch...it's going at super speed now according to the agents...i don't think its easy to bargain down the price as of now...
*high five*

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 20:55
WOW ..strong supporter of fragrance. they should give u 20% discount for customer loyalty

hahahhah...plus another 5 % for introducing all my friends, relatives and family!!
hell they should give me a unit free!...i don't mind another unit that faces the main road...kekekekke:D

graveyard
10-10-11, 21:08
hahahhah...plus another 5 % for introducing all my friends, relatives and family!!
hell they should give me a unit free!...i don't mind another unit that faces the main road...kekekekke:D

Oh man why settle for 2nd best? ASK FOR THE PH WITH POOL VIEW!!!

azeoprop
10-10-11, 21:10
hahahhah...plus another 5 % for introducing all my friends, relatives and family!!
hell they should give me a unit free!...i don't mind another unit that faces the main road...kekekekke:D

Maybe they can give u #02-07 on top of the sub station for free. :D

ecimbew
10-10-11, 21:11
2 bedder
#02-13 646sqft $851920 face church

Wah!

graveyard
10-10-11, 21:20
Yup ...our starbuy definition is the same:o
pool facing one bedder with a nice balcony to chill out in...imagine alfresco dining beside the pool, candlelit dinners...and all at an affordable price for an MM....definitely a star buy...*high five*

heard less than 10 units left for pool facing now...:scared-5: congrats to all who got it on time!!

yea most of the 2nd/3rd level one facing pool bedders were already taken the day i made the purchase. the balcony is quite spacious so its a pity not to have a pool view seriously

graveyard
10-10-11, 21:25
2 bedder
#02-13 646sqft $851920 face church

Wah!

dats crazily exp. but i dont think this is facing church. its only the side window thats facing the church ..all units are either facing pool or main road / backyard. anw this one with side facing church only gets a piece of the pool from the balcony. Not nice

graveyard
10-10-11, 21:28
dats crazily exp. but i dont think this is facing church. its only the side window thats facing the church ..all units are either facing pool or main road / backyard. anw this one with side facing church only gets a piece of the pool from the balcony. Not nice

correction. i now know the position of the 2 bedders. there is only one block of 2 bedders. yes its facing the church, the unit has 2 balconies so yeah from one of the balcony, it does face the church

graveyard
10-10-11, 21:40
Maybe they can give u #02-07 on top of the sub station for free. :D

hi azeprop. wads the substation? u seems to know the layout well ..u bought a unit?

graveyard
10-10-11, 21:48
Sure...:) can't wait...actually, its a short wait...see u in 1 year time yeah?...:D

haha. u like to hi 5 so much. like tan kin lian one of the presidential candidate. yeah HI 5! and see u in one year time. Or earlier, better!

ysyap
10-10-11, 22:26
Update 10th Oct 2011. :)

Sample pricing inclusive of 8% discount:
1 bedroom
#02-07 409sqft $540040 face main road
#05-18 409sqft $574080 face pool
#02-16 409sqft $548320 face church

2 bedroom
#02-03 614sqft $790280 face main road
#04-02 614sqft $819720 face pool
#02-13 646sqft $851920 face church

According to the board at the site, TOP by Oct 2012. :scared-3:Think there are smaller units than 409 sqft. Are these still available? ;)

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 22:49
Think there are smaller units than 409 sqft. Are these still available? ;)

Like I said, mostly taken up liao....
told u.....missed opportunity liao....lol, whoever bought the one bedders facing the pool, congratulations!!:spliff:

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 22:51
dats crazily exp. but i dont think this is facing church. its only the side window thats facing the church ..all units are either facing pool or main road / backyard. anw this one with side facing church only gets a piece of the pool from the balcony. Not nice

We should just meet up and admire the property together with the brochure...lol, i never know anyone who has such great interest like me yet...lol not even the agents!!!!.....u know what? we are going to get good buyers interested in our property, this is really a star buy yet to be discovered! I'm surprised its not up for balloting!.....Crisis in europe is gonna be over soon...yipee!

graveyard
10-10-11, 23:07
Think there are smaller units than 409 sqft. Are these still available? ;)

ysyap. u keen to know? i can ask my agent

graveyard
10-10-11, 23:14
We should just meet up and admire the property together with the brochure...lol, i never know anyone who has such great interest like me yet...lol not even the agents!!!!.....u know what? we are going to get good buyers interested in our property, this is really a star buy yet to be discovered! I'm surprised its not up for balloting!.....Crisis in europe is gonna be over soon...yipee!

hhee. geez i think u are overzealous. haha i like what i bought but i dont think its the best project around. i am just getting what i can afford within my means and hopefully its a place where i can live in peace and rest my mind off work, thats it. Balloting?? haha dats too extreme man. i dont think the project is so hot. i m not so optimistic abt the euro crisis. :(

Jcmillineum
10-10-11, 23:33
hhee. geez i think u are overzealous. haha i like what i bought but i dont think its the best project around. i am just getting what i can afford within my means and hopefully its a place where i can live in peace and rest my mind off work, thats it. Balloting?? haha dats too extreme man. i dont think the project is so hot. i m not so optimistic abt the euro crisis. :(

you should be optimistic....i always buy property that will become hot one day...lol u just wait and see...watch the news too...the western are coming over to put their money here:):2cents:

graveyard
10-10-11, 23:37
you should be optimistic....i always buy property that will become hot one day...lol u just wait and see...watch the news too...the western are coming over to put their money here:):2cents:

wow, hope u can be my god of fortune haa. i certainly hope u are right !!:)

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 00:10
wow, hope u can be my god of fortune haa. i certainly hope u are right !!:)

never been wrong, be positive, it's a freehold, pool facing mm 10 min walk from serangoon met which is an interchange line, next to NEX the largest mall with every facility u can imagine, well known schools and good food. what can be more right??

graveyard
11-10-11, 01:06
never been wrong, be positive, it's a freehold, pool facing mm 10 min walk from serangoon met which is an interchange line, next to NEX the largest mall with every facility u can imagine, well known schools and good food. what can be more right??

i swear you are an agent!! LOL .. well whatever it is, lets just hope everything turns out well

penguin
11-10-11, 01:29
This project is indeed abt 10mins brisk walk to Serangoon mrt. You need to cut through Jalan Chermat, then walk through the hdb flats. Cherryhill @ lor lew lian is 5min walk to s'gn mrt entrance at blk 416, so looking at the map, its pretty accurate. You need to know how to walk the shortcut, else you will end up walking the main road way which is long.

graveyard
11-10-11, 01:51
This project is indeed abt 10mins brisk walk to Serangoon mrt. You need to cut through Jalan Chermat, then walk through the hdb flats. Cherryhill @ lor lew lian is 5min walk to s'gn mrt entrance at blk 416, so looking at the map, its pretty accurate. You need to know how to walk the shortcut, else you will end up walking the main road way which is long.

yes, the agent walked me along the shortcut. ive timed it and it was around 15mins but thats also because we were walking slowly (not the normal pace) and we stopped for a while en route as she was pointing out to me where is the coffee shop and the surroundings etc etc. so take that out ..it should be 10mins

hopeful
11-10-11, 02:06
never been wrong, be positive, it's a freehold, pool facing mm 10 min walk from serangoon met which is an interchange line, next to NEX the largest mall with every facility u can imagine, well known schools and good food. what can be more right??

you got me hooked. You never been wrong, what other condos did you purchase?
You seems to give the impression (to me at least) that this is your very 1st condo purchase and you are very excited about it.

ysyap
11-10-11, 10:48
never been wrong, be positive, it's a freehold, pool facing mm 10 min walk from serangoon met which is an interchange line, next to NEX the largest mall with every facility u can imagine, well known schools and good food. what can be more right??Never seen such confidence in an investor but good for u. Hope you are right! :cheers1:

graveyard
11-10-11, 11:37
Never seen such confidence in an investor but good for u. Hope you are right! :cheers1:

if he were bernanke or warren buffet, i am very sure shares will shoot up high upon such positive statements haha

devilplate
11-10-11, 12:15
if he were bernanke or warren buffet, i am very sure shares will shoot up high upon such positive statements haha

i assume u r a guy?

did u consider mm at geylang? latest one going for 10xxpsf....however may take 2yrs to TOP instead of one yr....i wud tot its a better buy den this in terms of value for buck:2cents:

and i agree tat fragrance is the best mm developer.....the efficiency ratio also quite high

graveyard
11-10-11, 13:50
i assume u r a guy?

did u consider mm at geylang? latest one going for 10xxpsf....however may take 2yrs to TOP instead of one yr....i wud tot its a better buy den this in terms of value for buck:2cents:

and i agree tat fragrance is the best mm developer.....the efficiency ratio also quite high


hi devilplate, yes guy here. hmm i really didnt shop around much .. and i sort of bought this the day i viewed the showroom. too lazy to shop around i guess. hmm. 2 yrs to TOP is an issue. i got this because i want an unit fast. geylang is a central location but i try to avoid crowded places and geylang is so full of ppl so prob it doesnt suit me. and the place is kinda complicated which i try to avoid tooo. serangoon seems like a nice place to me. guess i m just attrcted to NEX lol

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 18:59
if he were bernanke or warren buffet, i am very sure shares will shoot up high upon such positive statements haha

I happen to know someone greater than these two guys that you've just mentioned....:cool:

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 19:02
i swear you are an agent!! LOL .. well whatever it is, lets just hope everything turns out well

i wish i am.....maybe time for me to change job:rolleyes:

ysyap
11-10-11, 19:03
I happen to know someone greater than these two guys that you've just mentioned....:cool:Who? Obama?

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 19:04
This project is indeed abt 10mins brisk walk to Serangoon mrt. You need to cut through Jalan Chermat, then walk through the hdb flats. Cherryhill @ lor lew lian is 5min walk to s'gn mrt entrance at blk 416, so looking at the map, its pretty accurate. You need to know how to walk the shortcut, else you will end up walking the main road way which is long.

yup...i think graveyard walk the wrong way....u must walk diagonally....if u are going straight, u are going the wrong way...:ashamed1:

ysyap
11-10-11, 19:06
yup...i think graveyard walk the wrong way....u must walk diagonally....if u are going straight, u are going the wrong way...:ashamed1:U mean if you are walking along upper paya lebar road, you're going the wrong way? Diagonal is also walking straight! :D

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 19:06
you got me hooked. You never been wrong, what other condos did you purchase?
You seems to give the impression (to me at least) that this is your very 1st condo purchase and you are very excited about it.

lol...this is not my first...but somehow I'm more excited about this one than the others that I've already made big profits from ...:scared-2:

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 19:09
U mean if you are walking along upper paya lebar road, you're going the wrong way? Diagonal is also walking straight! :D

omg :doh:

ysyap
11-10-11, 19:10
omg :doh:u r welcome! :spliff:

graveyard
11-10-11, 19:26
yup...i think graveyard walk the wrong way....u must walk diagonally....if u are going straight, u are going the wrong way...:ashamed1:

no la. we didnt go straight. once cross the traffic, we walked up the slope to the left of the main road through the row of landed houses, then reach coffeeshop and walk further, till main road, walk alongside it and we reached one of the exit of serangoon mrt

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 19:29
no la. we didnt go straight. once cross the traffic, we walked up the slope to the left of the main road through the row of landed houses, then reach coffeeshop and walk further, till main road, walk alongside it and we reached one of the exit of serangoon mrt

maybe we should walk together....i'll teach you to walk, take time from the exit of our suites right to the front of the mrt gantry where u tap your easilink card!! 10 min flat!:cool:

hyenergix
11-10-11, 19:40
lol...this is not my first...but somehow I'm more excited about this one than the others that I've already made big profits from ...:scared-2:

Y buy only 1 unit when u have already made huge profit n this one has huge potential?

Jcmillineum
11-10-11, 21:17
Y buy only 1 unit when u have already made huge profit n this one has huge potential?

haha, i would rather spread my eggs...so i can visit different condos and apartments when i rent them all out...don't intend to sell..:D

graveyard
11-10-11, 22:39
maybe we should walk together....i'll teach you to walk, take time from the exit of our suites right to the front of the mrt gantry where u tap your easilink card!! 10 min flat!:cool:

Cool. Sure man. thg i m quite sure i walked through the shortcut. but as i said, the whole journey shld be 10mins because ive stopped here and there on the way dats why it became 15mins

graveyard
12-10-11, 01:47
Who? Obama?

he will say jesus if he were a christian

Jcmillineum
12-10-11, 22:26
he will say jesus if he were a christian

I won't deny that fact though....:scared-2:

graveyard
12-10-11, 23:45
I won't deny that fact though....:scared-2:

haa. so seasoned property investor, does 1st floor or upper floors appeal more to you? when making the purchase i was struggling btw choosing the 1st floor and upper floors as the sqf of the 1st floor is bigger and there is PES and less common wall. but in the end didnt choose 1st floor as its so near the pool (i insist on pool view!) and theres loss of privacy

Jcmillineum
13-10-11, 22:04
haa. so seasoned property investor, does 1st floor or upper floors appeal more to you? when making the purchase i was struggling btw choosing the 1st floor and upper floors as the sqf of the 1st floor is bigger and there is PES and less common wall. but in the end didnt choose 1st floor as its so near the pool (i insist on pool view!) and theres loss of privacy

Depends on what you like...some exhibitionists love the first floor in addition to the convenience in getting to the pool and getting out to grab a coke from the fridge, no need to walk up the stairs or take the lift, very resort and banyan tree like.

Some people have too much to cover and prefer unblock view, or needs special privacy to do private things in the open. lol

it's really personal liking.....but the first floor has bigger usable PES compared to the upper floors for pays lobar suites, due to the smaller air con ledge for the first floors...i must admit that:scared-5:

graveyard
13-10-11, 22:25
Depends on what you like...some exhibitionists love the first floor in addition to the convenience in getting to the pool and getting out to grab a coke from the fridge, no need to walk up the stairs or take the lift, very resort and banyan tree like.

Some people have too much to cover and prefer unblock view, or needs special privacy to do private things in the open. lol

it's really personal liking.....but the first floor has bigger usable PES compared to the upper floors for pays lobar suites, due to the smaller air con ledge for the first floors...i must admit that:scared-5:


true, its personal. yeah and theres a spacious 1st floor studio unit i think for this but its facing the road. 500 sqf. the aircon ledge for this project is quite big and which is kinda a letdown. then why did u not take the 1st floor then?? i m just scared of noise, loss of privacy of cockroaches on land. LOL:scared-1:

ysyap
14-10-11, 07:41
true, its personal. yeah and theres a spacious 1st floor studio unit i think for this but its facing the road. 500 sqf. the aircon ledge for this project is quite big and which is kinda a letdown. then why did u not take the 1st floor then?? i m just scared of noise, loss of privacy of cockroaches on land. LOL:scared-1:noise problem exists even at top floor... 1st floor units come with much pros and cons. It really is a matter of choice. I don't like 1st floor units personally coz its strength like big PES is not utilized by me.

Speaking about noise, I recently was asking this question. Which road is noisier, Upper Paya Lebar Road just outside Suite @ Paya Lebar or Upper Serangoon Road? Both roads are usually congested during peak hours. Which is worse? Any insights?

graveyard
14-10-11, 10:10
noise problem exists even at top floor... 1st floor units come with much pros and cons. It really is a matter of choice. I don't like 1st floor units personally coz its strength like big PES is not utilized by me.

Speaking about noise, I recently was asking this question. Which road is noisier, Upper Paya Lebar Road just outside Suite @ Paya Lebar or Upper Serangoon Road? Both roads are usually congested during peak hours. Which is worse? Any insights?

well i am more concerned abt the noise on grd. i want a pool view and if i take 1st floor near pool, i reckon the noise level may be substantial as this is a small project, theres no place to linger around other than the function room and pool ..so i figure most will gather around the pool .and when theres a group of ppl, theres conversation and noise blah blah blah. hmm big PES is good for me thg. can park bicycle and stuffs. dont think theres a place to park/lock bicycle rite. hmm sorry i have not been there at uper paya lebar road during peak so cant really comment. i wld be interested to know the noise level at upper paya lebar rd too

devilplate
14-10-11, 10:51
well i am more concerned abt the noise on grd. i want a pool view and if i take 1st floor near pool, i reckon the noise level may be substantial as this is a small project, theres no place to linger around other than the function room and pool ..so i figure most will gather around the pool .and when theres a group of ppl, theres conversation and noise blah blah blah. hmm big PES is good for me thg. can park bicycle and stuffs. dont think theres a place to park/lock bicycle rite. hmm sorry i have not been there at uper paya lebar road during peak so cant really comment. i wld be interested to know the noise level at upper paya lebar rd too
For small project, pool area is usually vy quiet ....for this type of mm project, shdnt hf any kids staying....

Laguna
14-10-11, 10:58
I only buy ground floor units for many reasons.

I stay at a second floor unit, but no ground floor in this project. Great pool view and nice plants in front of my unit and the pool usage is so low. See birds flying and sexy women and well built men...good for eyes.

All my guests after seeing my unit, change their perception of low floor units.

But need to be very careful in choosing the ground floor units especially the privacy issue.

devilplate
14-10-11, 11:09
I only buy ground floor units for many reasons.

I stay at a second floor unit, but no ground floor in this project. Great pool view and nice plants in front of my unit and the pool usage is so low. See birds flying and sexy women and well built men...good for eyes.

All my guests after seeing my unit, change their perception of low floor units.

But need to be very careful in choosing the ground floor units especially the privacy issue.
The main issue is many sitting on top of u and littering on ur patio although some projects r covered but there is a limitation....i tink at most 1m width

Laguna
14-10-11, 11:32
The main issue is many sitting on top of u and littering on ur patio although some projects r covered but there is a limitation....i tink at most 1m width

ya, that is why cannot buy One Amber ground floor, with huge patio....
must choose low rise or those with good cover

devilplate
14-10-11, 11:35
ya, that is why cannot buy One Amber ground floor, with huge patio....
must choose low rise or those with good cover
For me, buy ground flr must haf squarish gd size patio....if not really defeat the purpose liao.....but den cover at most 1m wide....

Ya, ground flr unit for those katek projects better....only 4units on top of u.....dun timk they dare to anyhow litter:D

Jcmillineum
14-10-11, 22:54
I only buy ground floor units for many reasons.

I stay at a second floor unit, but no ground floor in this project. Great pool view and nice plants in front of my unit and the pool usage is so low. See birds flying and sexy women and well built men...good for eyes.

All my guests after seeing my unit, change their perception of low floor units.

But need to be very careful in choosing the ground floor units especially the privacy issue.

If you have a hot body, sitting at the patio on the 1st floor unit facing the pool is quite admirable as well...:ashamed1:

graveyard
15-10-11, 00:36
I only buy ground floor units for many reasons.

I stay at a second floor unit, but no ground floor in this project. Great pool view and nice plants in front of my unit and the pool usage is so low. See birds flying and sexy women and well built men...good for eyes.

All my guests after seeing my unit, change their perception of low floor units.

But need to be very careful in choosing the ground floor units especially the privacy issue.

this i agree. what u have mentioned are the pros of having the ground floor. i was struggling too as its a tough choice

but eventually i decided i prefer an elevated view of the pool and call me weird hah but this project has tempered glass for balcony wall .. if its on grd floor, theres a greater chance it gets banged or some sort.. well prob its kinda lame to think that way.. anw, i think i prefer upper floors ..just my personal preference

graveyard
15-10-11, 00:47
For small project, pool area is usually vy quiet ....for this type of mm project, shdnt hf any kids staying....

hmm you made sense. anw dats what i think MM is cool. many MM units means the general occupancy to unit ratio will be like 1:1 so few ppl in the project. dont wann sound anti social but in a cramped / packed place like spore, its a luxury to find some private space so yea, i do value dat a lot

well nowadays condo security is so lax there may be kids appearing even though they dont stay there so not gg to take that chance!

Jcmillineum
15-10-11, 11:36
this i agree. what u have mentioned are the pros of having the ground floor. i was struggling too as its a tough choice

but eventually i decided i prefer an elevated view of the pool and call me weird hah but this project has tempered glass for balcony wall .. if its on grd floor, theres a greater chance it gets banged or some sort.. well prob its kinda lame to think that way.. anw, i think i prefer upper floors ..just my personal preference

Do you notice you are paying more for the aircon ledge than on the first floor?:scared-4:

graveyard
15-10-11, 14:06
Do you notice you are paying more for the aircon ledge than on the first floor?:scared-4:

oh yeah know dat. its a give and take situation. liike i said grd floor and upper floors have their own pros and cons. wads pros for grd floor is cons for upper floor and vv. my decision shows i value view/privacy more than i value PES/balcony space :ashamed1:

Jcmillineum
15-10-11, 14:16
oh yeah know dat. its a give and take situation. liike i said grd floor and upper floors have their own pros and cons. wads pros for grd floor is cons for upper floor and vv. my decision shows i value view/privacy more than i value PES/balcony space :ashamed1:

I take it that yours is the second floor....not much privacy also la...might as well take the first floor. Tell u the truth, this project , our stack faces the other block, what kinda privacy are u talking about?...still have to close curtains when changing ma, I can even see your floor when i'm at the pool loll can also see what u are doing...:beats-me-man:

Laguna
15-10-11, 14:26
visited a frn last nite, 19th floor, and the distance to the facing block is around 50m, and yet can see units at the facing block....all rooms....and looking into other balcony, so untidy...

Cann't imagine those blocks with only 20m facing each other...like ATT

graveyard
15-10-11, 15:09
I take it that yours is the second floor....not much privacy also la...might as well take the first floor. Tell u the truth, this project , our stack faces the other block, what kinda privacy are u talking about?...still have to close curtains when changing ma, I can even see your floor when i'm at the pool loll can also see what u are doing...:beats-me-man:

no mine is higher. by privacy i meant at higher floor, you are only "exposed" to the opposite block and the block next to you (for our stack, the 2 bedders to our right are blocked from a partition but we are "ExpOSED" to the block to the left which is separated from a void as it is on another building) whereas the grd floor is "exposed" to opp, next door, the ppl chilling near the pool

graveyard
15-10-11, 15:11
visited a frn last nite, 19th floor, and the distance to the facing block is around 50m, and yet can see units at the facing block....all rooms....and looking into other balcony, so untidy...

Cann't imagine those blocks with only 20m facing each other...like ATT

50m away and still can see clearly?!?!? :spliff2:

Jcmillineum
16-10-11, 13:02
50m away and still can see clearly?!?!? :spliff2:

is this your first time owning a condo/apartment?....Laguna is right...second floor can see as clearly as first floor...no diff! lol..moreover, our paya lobar suites distance is only 20m:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

Jcmillineum
16-10-11, 13:03
Paya lebar suites is for exhibitionists...:D :D :D

Laguna
16-10-11, 13:24
50m away and still can see clearly?!?!? :spliff2:

aiyo, I saw the units at the opposite block so clearly, even to their bedrooms, living and dinning, if curtain is not closed

graveyard
16-10-11, 15:01
is this your first time owning a condo/apartment?....Laguna is right...second floor can see as clearly as first floor...no diff! lol..moreover, our paya lobar suites distance is only 20m:doh: :doh: :doh: :doh: :doh:

yea this happens to be my first time owning a condo/apt. u make it sound as if it is strange to own a condo/apt for the first time or owning one at all. not everyone is as rich as you, can buy several condos for investment, u know

errmm. i was told the distance is only 10m!!!!

ysyap
17-10-11, 14:28
yea this happens to be my first time owning a condo/apt. u make it sound as if it is strange to own a condo/apt for the first time or owning one at all. not everyone is as rich as you, can buy several condos for investment, u know

errmm. i was told the distance is only 10m!!!!Take heart... there's always a first time before the second time can come... LOL! :D Don't take comments in forum personally. :sleep:

Jcmillineum
17-10-11, 20:39
yea this happens to be my first time owning a condo/apt. u make it sound as if it is strange to own a condo/apt for the first time or owning one at all. not everyone is as rich as you, can buy several condos for investment, u know

errmm. i was told the distance is only 10m!!!!

which means i can still look into your unit clearly!!!!lol...you really don't know how clear it is!!!heheheheheh:D :D :D :D :D :D :cheers1: :cheers1: :cheers1: :cheers1:

graveyard
18-10-11, 00:16
Take heart... there's always a first time before the second time can come... LOL! :D Don't take comments in forum personally. :sleep:

dont worry la, i am not. i m pretty cool abt it ..thg i may not sound like i am. :tongue3:

graveyard
18-10-11, 00:18
which means i can still look into your unit clearly!!!!lol...you really don't know how clear it is!!!heheheheheh:D :D :D :D :D :D :cheers1: :cheers1: :cheers1: :cheers1:

at least from the pool u cant. from the opp unit, well i will just hide behind the curtain

marktkt22
18-10-11, 08:05
Frag and world class land r v similar ....and inter related.
They allocated lot of worker and built fast.
1yr can complete. Look at eastwood green projt.
Look at onan suite and heritage east, both are almost completed.
Roxy azurro almost done, but that take 2+yr. Crazy slow.
Verte another joke .




I track the building speed of the developers...
of about the same size, same heights...
MCL is the fastest....

ysyap
18-10-11, 09:05
Frag and world class land r v similar ....and inter related.
They allocated lot of worker and built fast.
1yr can complete. Look at eastwood green projt.
Look at onan suite and heritage east, both are almost completed.
Roxy azurro almost done, but that take 2+yr. Crazy slow.
Verte another joke .Well, one year is really pushing it. 1.5 years is just about right. If a 6xx unit development can be completed in 3 years, small projects should take less than 2 years. ;)

graveyard
18-10-11, 09:40
Well, one year is really pushing it. 1.5 years is just about right. If a 6xx unit development can be completed in 3 years, small projects should take less than 2 years. ;)

on the assumption that quality is not comprised by the speed of building, the faster the project is completed, the better it is for both parties ..developer and buyer. i wld think the building speed may be the selling pt of project. esp for buyers looking at own stay like myself, i want the unit pretty fast. even if i do not evetually live in it, it can be rented out and rent can be collected earlier than if it were completed a few more years later. major good projects are out there now but the horizon to complete buidling is like min 3-4 yrs later. if i were buying solely for investment, then dats a different thing. the 3-4yrs waiting time can be used to satisfy the MOP after which can sell at a good profit, though i still cant collect rent eariler

ysyap
18-10-11, 17:45
Then let's just hope that quality is not compromised for this project. Nearly got the MM studio 2 months back. :p

graveyard
18-10-11, 18:37
Then let's just hope that quality is not compromised for this project. Nearly got the MM studio 2 months back. :p

i guess dats the best we can do for now. ohh so wad pulled u back? not sure abt the reputation of fragrance, just hope it has acquired enough expertise and knowhow building kovan granduer and other MM to do a decent job on this project :D

Jcmillineum
18-10-11, 21:15
Then let's just hope that quality is not compromised for this project. Nearly got the MM studio 2 months back. :p
Oh dear....pool view all snapped up...! you're too late!
:scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4:

graveyard
18-10-11, 21:44
Oh dear....pool view all snapped up...! you're too late!
:scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4:

Even studios? i think the one bedders pool view all gone since last 2 wks

ysyap
19-10-11, 05:28
i guess dats the best we can do for now. ohh so wad pulled u back? not sure abt the reputation of fragrance, just hope it has acquired enough expertise and knowhow building kovan granduer and other MM to do a decent job on this project :DIt was the uncertainties of the financial world that pulled me back... :p

graveyard
19-10-11, 11:38
It was the uncertainties of the financial world that pulled me back... :p

haa, congrats. its too late for me to turn back. that euro crisis thingy came right after i paid the 5% :(
yes if the news came earlier, i wld have pulled back too.

devilplate
19-10-11, 11:55
haa, congrats. its too late for me to turn back. that euro crisis thingy came right after i paid the 5% :(
yes if the news came earlier, i wld have pulled back too.

i pulled back completely after 14th jan 2011

ysyap
19-10-11, 11:57
haa, congrats. its too late for me to turn back. that euro crisis thingy came right after i paid the 5% :(
yes if the news came earlier, i wld have pulled back too. Don't regret your purchase. You bought it coz u need a roof under your head outside of rental so you'll still buy now or later. As long as you have holding power, you will surely tide through any downs. Prices will pick up after any downs. Its just a matter of time and holding power is the key to survival. :cheers1:

ysyap
19-10-11, 11:58
i pulled back completely after 14th jan 2011So when will you re-enter? After the CMs are removed or when prices are too low to reject? :spliff2:

devilplate
19-10-11, 12:06
So when will you re-enter? After the CMs are removed or when prices are too low to reject? :spliff2:

when any gd deals pop out lor...no hurry....happy wif current portfolio....:D

in order for CM to be removed, prices nid to crash first and den govt will den step in to help to revive and heat up the market :D defer payment may well surface again....LOL

graveyard
19-10-11, 13:37
Don't regret your purchase. You bought it coz u need a roof under your head outside of rental so you'll still buy now or later. As long as you have holding power, you will surely tide through any downs. Prices will pick up after any downs. Its just a matter of time and holding power is the key to survival. :cheers1:

haa yeah. Golden rule of investment is holding power and timing. Everything from property, stock etc. I guess yeah I certainly got it for home stay so its not affected by the prevailing economic situation at least in the short term unless I sell it/rent it out. even if i were to sell it in future and suffer a loss etc, the loss would have been mitigated by the rent saved over the years... i guess positive thinking and optimisim helps in the current bleak economic climate :(

graveyard
19-10-11, 13:42
when any gd deals pop out lor...no hurry....happy wif current portfolio....:D

in order for CM to be removed, prices nid to crash first and den govt will den step in to help to revive and heat up the market :D defer payment may well surface again....LOL

wait for another 2008-2009 era.. then u will strike goldddddd

ysyap
19-10-11, 14:31
haa yeah. Golden rule of investment is holding power and timing. Everything from property, stock etc. I guess yeah I certainly got it for home stay so its not affected by the prevailing economic situation at least in the short term unless I sell it/rent it out. even if i were to sell it in future and suffer a loss etc, the loss would have been mitigated by the rent saved over the years... i guess positive thinking and optimisim helps in the current bleak economic climate :(Certainly hope that you'll not suffer loss when u so decide to sell your purchase coz it'll only mean you are desperate liaoz. :cheers1:

ysyap
19-10-11, 14:33
wait for another 2008-2009 era.. then u will strike golddddddThat era will not come anytime soon lah... :(

dtrax
19-10-11, 15:09
That era will not come anytime soon lah... :(



yup, some theorist says decade of boom. Even you buy later, price upz 20% correction 10%, you still win. You dont buy after many many yrs, got moolah also hand itchy syndrome, how long can you lun without buying? Singaporeans have a gene called "Property Genes" which is already hardwire way long long b4, you can evidently tell from the frenzy buying n upgrader despites pple occupying wallstreets, riots, queue for jobs in overseas. No one can predict market rise n fall. Since it is your home stay and you bot within your means, no fear

Jcmillineum
19-10-11, 21:55
yup, some theorist says decade of boom. Even you buy later, price upz 20% correction 10%, you still win. You dont buy after many many yrs, got moolah also hand itchy syndrome, how long can you lun without buying? Singaporeans have a gene called "Property Genes" which is already hardwire way long long b4, you can evidently tell from the frenzy buying n upgrader despites pple occupying wallstreets, riots, queue for jobs in overseas. No one can predict market rise n fall. Since it is your home stay and you bot within your means, no fear

Property is still a more stable means of investment...price drop, rent, price increase sell lot...more secure than the stupid shares...all numbers only!!...drop, die!!!
at least even if prices drop for property, i still can enjoy the pool and see my beautiful house, and call it mine....right??...shares just numbers, drop only, money gone liao!!!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Jcmillineum
19-10-11, 21:58
It was the uncertainties of the financial world that pulled me back... :p

economy coming back liao....:)

graveyard
19-10-11, 22:39
yup, some theorist says decade of boom. Even you buy later, price upz 20% correction 10%, you still win. You dont buy after many many yrs, got moolah also hand itchy syndrome, how long can you lun without buying? Singaporeans have a gene called "Property Genes" which is already hardwire way long long b4, you can evidently tell from the frenzy buying n upgrader despites pple occupying wallstreets, riots, queue for jobs in overseas. No one can predict market rise n fall. Since it is your home stay and you bot within your means, no fear

Agree. if you are servicing multiple housing loans, things can get nervous in downturns and u cant find tenants or sell as easy as you could when times are good. its quite scary nowadays seeing so many private mushrooming all over the place ... i can udnerstand why ppl see a trend of estate oversupply in coming years when the projects are all completed

graveyard
19-10-11, 22:45
Property is still a more stable means of investment...price drop, rent, price increase sell lot...more secure than the stupid shares...all numbers only!!...drop, die!!!
at least even if prices drop for property, i still can enjoy the pool and see my beautiful house, and call it mine....right??...shares just numbers, drop only, money gone liao!!!!:banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

ya la. but share investment has its edge too. less capital outlay involved, ease of profit realization and disposal (no MOP), and easy to monitor etc (dont have to go to site, negotiate $$ with tenants, buyers, kena tax, maintenance bill etc) - in the stock mkt, you sell when market meets your price, low transactional costs)

esp at this times, some ppl with hordes of cash pumped $$ and sweep all the undervalued lots ..its only a matter of time before the mkt stabilizes and stock value up so they make lots of $$ by selling at the right time

ysyap
20-10-11, 05:04
economy coming back liao....:)How sure? 2012 is the year of reckoning. Watch this space! :cheers1:

ysyap
20-10-11, 05:05
Agree. if you are servicing multiple housing loans, things can get nervous in downturns and u cant find tenants or sell as easy as you could when times are good. its quite scary nowadays seeing so many private mushrooming all over the place ... i can udnerstand why ppl see a trend of estate oversupply in coming years when the projects are all completedFinding tenants is not really that difficult. All it takes is for you to slash the rental fee. Others asking $3k, you ask $2.5k, sure will have takers... Better than not having any rental income to service the mortgage loan... :o

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 10:03
Finding tenants is not really that difficult. All it takes is for you to slash the rental fee. Others asking $3k, you ask $2.5k, sure will have takers... Better than not having any rental income to service the mortgage loan... :o

Yup I agree with you on this point. Rental is never a problem especially for our paya lebar suites, just 10 min from the Nex and Serangoon MRT. Besides, a lot of foreigners are coming to Singapore. Singapore has an under population, which means that our government will be getting some influx of population from other countries, which means our property will be of much value due to Singapore's vast amounts of HDB properties, foreigners can only get or rent the private properties. They would also be less prone to owning cars as it's expensive in SIngapore and Singapore even wants to undercut the number of vehicles, that's why our COE soared up and I don't think it will come down any sooner. Thus, it is important for foreigners to find, buy or rent private properties which are near to MRT stations to enable them to commute better. Graveyard: No worries on investment in properties. Although shares and stocks gives faster profits and yield, the loss is also faster and scarier as you can see the figures as it is. You won't need to worry about rental for our Paya Lebar Suites, I can assure you on that! However, since you are staying in it. It will still be a liability for you as you will have to pay conservancy charges, mortgage etc. Nevertheless, it's all worth it, isn't it?:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 10:08
How sure? 2012 is the year of reckoning. Watch this space! :cheers1:

Economy will definitely come back. I'm glad I bought paya lebar suites during the down time, and the developer is giving extra discounts on the property. I think if we were to buy it when the economy fully recovers, it will probably soar to about 1600 psf!!! That's 20% profit for you or even more...!!!
My current property already making 100% profit!...yup, in just 4 years! Praise the Lord!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

devilplate
20-10-11, 10:22
Economy will definitely come back. I'm glad I bought paya lebar suites during the down time, and the developer is giving extra discounts on the property. I think if we were to buy it when the economy fully recovers, it will probably soar to about 1600 psf!!! That's 20% profit for you or even more...!!!
My current property already making 100% profit!...yup, in just 4 years! Praise the Lord!:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

wats the size and the nett psf u bot?

ysyap
20-10-11, 10:38
Yup I agree with you on this point. Rental is never a problem especially for our paya lebar suites, just 10 min from the Nex and Serangoon MRT. Besides, a lot of foreigners are coming to Singapore. Singapore has an under population, which means that our government will be getting some influx of population from other countries, which means our property will be of much value due to Singapore's vast amounts of HDB properties, foreigners can only get or rent the private properties. They would also be less prone to owning cars as it's expensive in SIngapore and Singapore even wants to undercut the number of vehicles, that's why our COE soared up and I don't think it will come down any sooner. Thus, it is important for foreigners to find, buy or rent private properties which are near to MRT stations to enable them to commute better. Graveyard: No worries on investment in properties. Although shares and stocks gives faster profits and yield, the loss is also faster and scarier as you can see the figures as it is. You won't need to worry about rental for our Paya Lebar Suites, I can assure you on that! However, since you are staying in it. It will still be a liability for you as you will have to pay conservancy charges, mortgage etc. Nevertheless, it's all worth it, isn't it?:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:You sounded very very confident! Hope you are right! Anyway, there's 4yr SSD to wait out the full recovery of the economy to realize your 2nd 100% appreciation (or at least 20% which you've mentioned). :spliff:

marktkt22
20-10-11, 11:08
There alway rental, it only at what rate .....
Rental 1k sure have takers ,even downturn

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 11:14
You sounded very very confident! Hope you are right! Anyway, there's 4yr SSD to wait out the full recovery of the economy to realize your 2nd 100% appreciation (or at least 20% which you've mentioned). :spliff:

Meantime, I will be renting out during yours called 4 years until price appreciates. With property, there is better stability and flexibility than with stocks and shares!

I've decided I shall stay at my D15 instead cos it's just 5 min walk to the MRT, save more money:2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents: :2cents:

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 11:16
wats the size and the nett psf u bot?

Why?...wanna buy ah?
I got it during the launch...you can't get this price anymore :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:

graveyard
20-10-11, 11:18
Yup I agree with you on this point. Rental is never a problem especially for our paya lebar suites, just 10 min from the Nex and Serangoon MRT. Besides, a lot of foreigners are coming to Singapore. Singapore has an under population, which means that our government will be getting some influx of population from other countries, which means our property will be of much value due to Singapore's vast amounts of HDB properties, foreigners can only get or rent the private properties. They would also be less prone to owning cars as it's expensive in SIngapore and Singapore even wants to undercut the number of vehicles, that's why our COE soared up and I don't think it will come down any sooner. Thus, it is important for foreigners to find, buy or rent private properties which are near to MRT stations to enable them to commute better. Graveyard: No worries on investment in properties. Although shares and stocks gives faster profits and yield, the loss is also faster and scarier as you can see the figures as it is. You won't need to worry about rental for our Paya Lebar Suites, I can assure you on that! However, since you are staying in it. It will still be a liability for you as you will have to pay conservancy charges, mortgage etc. Nevertheless, it's all worth it, isn't it?:sleep: :sleep: :sleep: :sleep:



haha. Mr Agent, u never let anythng get u down. lol. well lets wait and see hows the estate mkt like next year when the project top. anyway, i m not too concerned abt rental yield etc as i will likely stay there so any gain or loss on property value will be just on paper. of coz in the long term esp after the 4yrs mop, i will be very concerned abt the overall mkt and the project value la. yes, if i stay in the unit, there is opportunity cost (loss of rental income) which will not be too high becoz if by then, rental is high and i choose to rent it out instead, i will be paying high rent for my rented place as well (assume rental movememtn is consistent across private/hdb). anw not just the financial aspect ..i guess generally ppl like to own things ..esp a place where u are spending long period of time in. and if choose to rent out, u gonna make sure u find good tenants and not "terrorist" tenants who damage and bash up yor place or make life difficult for the landlord. hope u will find a well behaved and quality tenant for your unit!!!! :)

devilplate
20-10-11, 11:37
Why?...wanna buy ah?
I got it during the launch...you can't get this price anymore :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:

y no confident to tell me?:rolleyes:

hopeful
20-10-11, 11:49
Why?...wanna buy ah?
I got it during the launch...you can't get this price anymore :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tsk-tsk: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:

errr, so price appreciates in 4 years after launch. So you bought it in 2007 i supposed. at the peak itself........

graveyard
20-10-11, 11:56
errr, so price appreciates in 4 years after launch. So you bought it in 2007 i supposed. at the peak itself........


i think he was referring to the MOP 4 yrs period from 2011 till 2015. this project launched this year .. so 2011+4=2015 .. to satisfy the 4yrs mop.

hopeful
20-10-11, 12:22
i think he was referring to the MOP 4 yrs period from 2011 till 2015. this project launched this year .. so 2011+4=2015 .. to satisfy the 4yrs mop.


no lah, he was crowing about making 100% profit in 4 years in a particular project. he definitely was not refering to suites@paya lebar.

devilplate
20-10-11, 12:38
no lah, he was crowing about making 100% profit in 4 years in a particular project. he definitely was not refering to suites@paya lebar.

its possible.....in early 07, ocr is still dirt cheap

even one leicester rcr is selling for 6xxpsf only

graveyard
20-10-11, 12:56
no lah, he was crowing about making 100% profit in 4 years in a particular project. he definitely was not refering to suites@paya lebar.

oh maybe i read wrongly. thg i dont have the details, lik devilplate said ..i also think its possible ..depends on timing. damnt if only i knew the right time :(

graveyard
20-10-11, 13:03
wats the size and the nett psf u bot?

the psf of this project is quite high as it consists of mainlt studios and one bedder, and its freehold. when i see other new projects coming up like parc vera etc with 700+ psf, i felt ripped off as my psf is almost twice of that!

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 15:30
haha. Mr Agent, u never let anythng get u down. lol. well lets wait and see hows the estate mkt like next year when the project top. anyway, i m not too concerned abt rental yield etc as i will likely stay there so any gain or loss on property value will be just on paper. of coz in the long term esp after the 4yrs mop, i will be very concerned abt the overall mkt and the project value la. yes, if i stay in the unit, there is opportunity cost (loss of rental income) which will not be too high becoz if by then, rental is high and i choose to rent it out instead, i will be paying high rent for my rented place as well (assume rental movememtn is consistent across private/hdb). anw not just the financial aspect ..i guess generally ppl like to own things ..esp a place where u are spending long period of time in. and if choose to rent out, u gonna make sure u find good tenants and not "terrorist" tenants who damage and bash up yor place or make life difficult for the landlord. hope u will find a well behaved and quality tenant for your unit!!!! :)

Stop cursing me....:tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:
and btw, I wish i am an agent because they are freaking rich right now, but i'm NOT....:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 15:31
y no confident to tell me?:rolleyes:

Evil.....:hell-hath-no-fury: :hell-hath-no-fury:

Jcmillineum
20-10-11, 15:42
the psf of this project is quite high as it consists of mainlt studios and one bedder, and its freehold. when i see other new projects coming up like parc vera etc with 700+ psf, i felt ripped off as my psf is almost twice of that!

Let'es take it this way like what devilplate said....our price will be low compared to 4-5years time ok????
I never thought the property I bought 4 years ago could double!!!!!:scared-1:

rattydrama
20-10-11, 15:53
Let'es take it this way like what devilplate said....our price will be low compared to 4-5years time ok????
I never thought the property I bought 4 years ago could double!!!!!:scared-1:

Not every day is a sunshine day. If you ride thru the wave then maybe will be more conservative.
U just bou and confident it will double in 4 years time? :rocking-the-decks: I am not that confident but happy if it happens. KBW maynot be too happy to read your post.

erm........if every year psf price adjust 10% up I am most happy. Buy property to curb inflation & cap preservation if you have extra cash.

ysyap
20-10-11, 16:04
If I'm a buyer, I'd love property prices to fall. If I'm selling, I'd naturally love property prices to double. If I have the option of either buy or sell now, with holding power, then I wouldn't mind which ever way the economy goes. However, even if I have the option, I somehow still how for prices to go up so I can cash in first before my next purchase! :o

graveyard
20-10-11, 18:56
Not every day is a sunshine day. If you ride thru the wave then maybe will be more conservative.
U just bou and confident it will double in 4 years time? :rocking-the-decks: I am not that confident but happy if it happens. KBW maynot be too happy to read your post.

erm........if every year psf price adjust 10% up I am most happy. Buy property to curb inflation & cap preservation if you have extra cash.

Haa. its always good to expect the worst and be prepared for the worst case scenario. Always have a plan B or make sure you can stomach every ounce of pain made possible by your decision

graveyard
20-10-11, 18:59
Stop cursing me....:tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3: :tongue3:
and btw, I wish i am an agent because they are freaking rich right now, but i'm NOT....:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

not all are. Too many of them, probably lesser now they are required to take exam and license. only a small top tier is making tons of money

ysyap
21-10-11, 09:15
not all are. Too many of them, probably lesser now they are required to take exam and license. only a small top tier is making tons of moneyThe top tier are making an obscene amount of money. The average ones are easily taking home $100k to $200k a year. That is still a lot for the average Singaporean. :scared-5:

devilplate
21-10-11, 09:27
The top tier are making an obscene amount of money. The average ones are easily taking home $100k to $200k a year. That is still a lot for the average Singaporean. :scared-5:

den u go join la:p

ysyap
21-10-11, 09:38
den u go join la:pThinking thinking thinking but no guts and probably too lazy to get out of my comfort zone!!! More importantly, I'm not wiling to invest my nights into work when my family is at home. :tsk-tsk:

devilplate
21-10-11, 09:45
Thinking thinking thinking but no guts and probably too lazy to get out of my comfort zone!!! More importantly, I'm not wiling to invest my nights into work when my family is at home. :tsk-tsk:

if so easy to make big bucks...no nid to study so hard.....finish O level den go become agts liao

ysyap
21-10-11, 09:48
if so easy to make big bucks...no nid to study so hard.....finish O level den go become agts liaoLousy agents will not last more than 2 years in the industry coz words will get around about his/her working ethics. To be agent also must have high EQ. Yes, no need to study to hard and still can earn big bucks... :cheers1:

devilplate
21-10-11, 09:54
Lousy agents will not last more than 2 years in the industry coz words will get around about his/her working ethics. To be agent also must have high EQ. Yes, no need to study to hard and still can earn big bucks... :cheers1:

yes den dun waste time enrolling ur kids for top notch schools.....:D

just nid to brush up EQ and speak well gd enuff:D

ysyap
21-10-11, 09:59
yes den dun waste time enrolling ur kids for top notch schools.....:D

just nid to brush up EQ and speak well gd enuff:DCannot agree more! But my parents will kill me if I don't enroll them in good schools so still cannot leh! :doh:

graveyard
22-10-11, 01:40
The top tier are making an obscene amount of money. The average ones are easily taking home $100k to $200k a year. That is still a lot for the average Singaporean. :scared-5:

i m not too sure on that. the top tier no dispute, but average making min 100k easily? dats >8K a mth.. no question some agents making that kinda $$ but i dont think dats the median pay for agents. look at the supply of agents, economics tell us with abundant supply and relatively low barrier to entry (no need degree), the price tag becomes lower and lower as more join the industry.

graveyard
22-10-11, 01:44
Cannot agree more! But my parents will kill me if I don't enroll them in good schools so still cannot leh! :doh:

mean no disrespect to the profession but i m nt dat optimistic abt future of agents. after all they are just intermediaries and someday once there is a perfect way for sellers (developer) and buyers to reach an equilibirium in which what is supplied is demanded, disintermediation can be achieved and so called middle man cut ....

ysyap
22-10-11, 06:55
mean no disrespect to the profession but i m nt dat optimistic abt future of agents. after all they are just intermediaries and someday once there is a perfect way for sellers (developer) and buyers to reach an equilibirium in which what is supplied is demanded, disintermediation can be achieved and so called middle man cut ....Ideal world... there are actually many jobs today which are redundant but employers chose to have them... these jobs include a third maid at home when two is enough, a chauffeur when you can drive, a personal secretary when you don't need one, etc. Not so easy lah...

graveyard
23-10-11, 02:33
Ideal world... there are actually many jobs today which are redundant but employers chose to have them... these jobs include a third maid at home when two is enough, a chauffeur when you can drive, a personal secretary when you don't need one, etc. Not so easy lah...


true la, but their pay is likely to be depressed, not those 100K per annum type

ysyap
23-10-11, 08:08
I for one certainly hope that this profession of agents gets more professional. Imagine for an investor, each time he/she invests in a property, the unassuming agents get paid. If all are honest and hardworking, then no problem but I've come accross many who are dishonest and tell you things which are nothing more than a fable. So irritating and to think that I have to pay them in order to invest...

Actually I've tried to do everything without going through the agent and I think it's possible if one has the time to spend. Not easy but possible! :sleep:

ecimbew
23-10-11, 08:26
The day will come when ppty agents aren't paid by X% of selling price but a flat rate of $X for each transaction. Or when it becomes even easier for us to do it electronically without them on iPad. :47:

Jcmillineum
23-10-11, 08:45
The day will come when ppty agents aren't paid by X% of selling price but a flat rate of $X for each transaction. Or when it becomes even easier for us to do it electronically without them on iPad. :47:

Actually, we don't really need them leh....just pass the cheque immediately to the developer can already what. Developer just need to negotiate with us, that will save him a lot of money...:D

ysyap
23-10-11, 12:04
Actually, we don't really need them leh....just pass the cheque immediately to the developer can already what. Developer just need to negotiate with us, that will save him a lot of money...:DProvided you have your own bankers and lawyers too. That is when you are buying. But the game changes drastically when you are selling or when you are looking to rent... then that requires a lot more time and effort! :o

devilplate
23-10-11, 12:40
Cfm nid agt to sell one la....

Try selling urself if u tink so easy....

Even agts nid to engage other agts to sell their hse....

Jcmillineum
23-10-11, 13:41
Cfm nid agt to sell one la....

Try selling urself if u tink so easy....

Even agts nid to engage other agts to sell their hse....

Are you an agent?....:D

DC33_2008
23-10-11, 16:09
Good to let people make some $$. :)
Cfm nid agt to sell one la....

Try selling urself if u tink so easy....

Even agts nid to engage other agts to sell their hse....

graveyard
23-10-11, 16:32
Cfm nid agt to sell one la....

Try selling urself if u tink so easy....

Even agts nid to engage other agts to sell their hse....

if it is possible and i am not in hurry to sell, i would try to make the sales on my own. of course, if u cut away the expert, u gonna pick up what the expert knows and ready to invest time and effort to find out everything abt selling house. on the plus side, u are going to learn something new in the process and who knows when bad times hit and u lose your job (choy!) or u need some income supplement and assuming role of agents still exisits, it opens up another career option

devilplate
23-10-11, 16:37
if it is possible and i am not in hurry to sell, i would try to make the sales on my own. of course, if u cut away the expert, u gonna pick up what the expert knows and ready to invest time and effort to find out everything abt selling house. on the plus side, u are going to learn something new in the process and who knows when bad times hit and u lose your job (choy!) or u need some income supplement and assuming role of agents still exisits, it opens up another career option
Its the human behavioural pattern la

As i said, agts also engage other agt to sell.

U try to sell direct nxt time lah....give u one eg.

Buyers come view ur hse.....den u can only wait for the buyer to call u back and u cant call them becoz it will make u a desperate seller....

Agt sell for u different.....agt can do follow up...pester the buyer and push them for an offer....

Certain things will nid a middleman

graveyard
23-10-11, 17:02
Its the human behavioural pattern la

As i said, agts also engage other agt to sell.

U try to sell direct nxt time lah....give u one eg.

Buyers come view ur hse.....den u can only wait for the buyer to call u back and u cant call them becoz it will make u a desperate seller....

Agt sell for u different.....agt can do follow up...pester the buyer and push them for an offer....

Certain things will nid a middleman

dats wad i meant by "investing time and effort.."

the follows up, pestering and pushing for offer can still be done by seller wad. i dont see any pro in seller calling buyer leh .. of course, once or twice ..not every few days la. buyers are not stupid right.. they wont give in to the hard push selling tactic so regardless, if buyer doesnt like the unit for some reason, it doesnt matter who is the dealer. if you as a seller know your stuff well, u wont come across as desperate when you call... its a good way to hone your negotiation skills tooo

Jcmillineum
27-10-11, 14:42
Suites @ Paya Lebar - It's the best! :)

ysyap
27-10-11, 15:06
dats wad i meant by "investing time and effort.."

the follows up, pestering and pushing for offer can still be done by seller wad. i dont see any pro in seller calling buyer leh .. of course, once or twice ..not every few days la. buyers are not stupid right.. they wont give in to the hard push selling tactic so regardless, if buyer doesnt like the unit for some reason, it doesnt matter who is the dealer. if you as a seller know your stuff well, u wont come across as desperate when you call... its a good way to hone your negotiation skills toooBottomline is if you are not desperate to sell and have the time to answer phone enquiries as well as arrange for house viewing, then ok to sell alone. Otherwise, its always good to get a agent to do the job for you. Well, what I did was to negotiate to only 0.5% commission. If agent no business, sure will take up. :D Subsequently, I also use that same agent to find rental. Got advantage lah! Personal preference! :o

Jcmillineum
27-10-11, 15:39
Bottomline is if you are not desperate to sell and have the time to answer phone enquiries as well as arrange for house viewing, then ok to sell alone. Otherwise, its always good to get a agent to do the job for you. Well, what I did was to negotiate to only 0.5% commission. If agent no business, sure will take up. :D Subsequently, I also use that same agent to find rental. Got advantage lah! Personal preference! :o

Rental can bargain on commission also right?

devilplate
27-10-11, 18:58
Suites @ Paya Lebar - It's the best! :)
Regent residences 1bdr mm is a better buy den this:p

devilplate
27-10-11, 19:10
Rental can bargain on commission also right?
Comm surely can bargain.....

When market is damn hot, landlords can dun pay comm also....agts collect from their tenant.....but when market hit shyt.....hehehe

ysyap
27-10-11, 22:26
Rental can bargain on commission also right?You've have attained the highest state when the agent himself/herself offered to slash their comm by half or something by just looking at you. My agent herself offered to find tenants for me at half the market value. For once, I felt like king. Usually have to hear agent's talking, etc... LOL! :cheers1:

Kenshinto80
27-10-11, 23:59
You've have attained the highest state when the agent himself/herself offered to slash their comm by half or something by just looking at you. My agent herself offered to find tenants for me at half the market value. For once, I felt like king. Usually have to hear agent's talking, etc... LOL! :cheers1:

It would have been better if your agent offered herself to you. :)