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wangwe
16-09-13, 12:57
I saw that there was a new sale flat going up along AMK Ave 8 (where Centro Residence sale flat was) with the name The Panorama.

Did some googling, and saw that it was Wheelock's new development at AMK Ave 2.

http://www.thepanorama.sg/
http://the-panorama.com.sg/

2824
16-09-13, 13:25
I saw that there was a new sale flat going up along AMK Ave 8 (where Centro Residence sale flat was) with the name The Panorama.

Did some googling, and saw that it was Wheelock's new development at AMK Ave 2.

http://www.thepanorama.sg/
http://the-panorama.com.sg/


Looks like D20 will be hot again with this launch as well as the thomson and bishan ones.

tahoo
16-09-13, 14:39
Indeed, so many new developments. Can the market stomach them?

Anyone know the est launch date?
For $789.89 per square foot per plot ratio (psf ppr), wonder what will be their selling price. Any predication?

azeoprop
26-09-13, 15:42
Will they follow sky vue low cost small size pricing model to move units? :p

bargain hunter
26-09-13, 16:28
should be closer pricing to thomson three and undercut them slightly?

ecimbew
26-09-13, 17:25
It's located opp St Nicholas' Girls. I feel that it has potential with the Thomson Line's Mayflower station close by.

The only issue is that this plot of land is sunken below the road level of Ang Mo Kio Street 13

http://thepanorama.net/wp-content/uploads/Location-Map.jpg

azeoprop
26-09-13, 18:54
Some views from blk 171 next door taken 3 years ago.

http://youtu.be/k45VB8oXy8w

http://youtu.be/6JYZjHcF4RQ

Brettchua
14-10-13, 18:03
There is another site talking about this panorama as well, however not much information at the moment http://newlaunchsg.sg/panorama/

kane
15-10-13, 01:01
This one will be interesting, wheelock hasn't launched a project in a while and they'll probably be eager to make sure they get some good publicity given what's happening at the sea view now. I'll be interested to see how panaromic their prices will be.

johnoon
14-11-13, 23:29
So far not much info. but should be out very soon.

ecimbew
16-11-13, 14:14
Saw SMS... Starts from 6xxK

kane
16-11-13, 14:26
I'll be interested to see what floor plans wheelock have in mind for this project.

babyt
20-11-13, 14:54
I keep relating it to Paranormal (activity).

dpristine
20-11-13, 21:08
The Panorama is launching around end of December.

DuaNehNehChioBu
20-11-13, 21:16
Stupid condo name.....Useless...LOL :rolleyes:

johnoon
21-11-13, 00:36
So far not much info. but should be out very soon.

Latest new !

1. Booking Starts : Targeted Last week of Dec 2013 / 1stweek of Jan 2014

2. Showflat Viewing for Prospects : Mid-Dec 2013 (planning to open for 2 weekends, this is tentative and to be advised)


http://www.thepanorama-amk.net

CRViper
21-11-13, 20:18
Seems like the show flat is on the same plot of land where Centro Residence used to build their show flat.. Initially I thought they gonna build the actual site near AMK Central near Centro residence but then realized the actual site is near Mayflower which is actually quite far...

iwant2buyproperty
21-11-13, 22:03
Booking Starts : Targeted Last week of Dec 2013 / 1st week of Jan 2014

Total of 698 Units

(1BR / 2BR / 2+S / 3BR / 3+S / 4BR / 5BR / PH)

2 Towers of 20-Storey and 4 Towers of 17-Storey

You may want register your interest here (http://propertyinvestguru.com/the-panorama/) for first hand news.:)

newlaunchproperty
21-11-13, 22:38
THE PANORAMA (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html) by Wheelock Properties
Launching Soon! Register your interest for VVIP Preview (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html) now!


http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/skychiu/Property%20Ang%20Mo%20Kio/The%20Panorama/PB_The_Panorama_Logo_zps38eb6140.jpg (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html)

matrix0405
24-11-13, 21:58
Wah, almost 700 units or easily 2000 people in that small plot of land. Super crowded. The narrow two way one lane each road in front of StNic how to take the traffic?

kane
24-11-13, 23:31
Wah, almost 700 units or easily 2000 people in that small plot of land. Super crowded. The narrow two way one lane each road in front of StNic how to take the traffic?

the entrance should be along ang mo kio ave 2.

delirious
27-11-13, 17:22
Yes it should be along amk ave 2, soon we can get confirmation once the developer releases the finalized plans hopefully by next week.



http://www.thepanoramaa.com/wp-content/uploads/Panoramavisit1.jpg (http://www.thepanoramaa.com)

newlaunchproperty
28-11-13, 01:12
Wah, almost 700 units or easily 2000 people in that small plot of land. Super crowded. The narrow two way one lane each road in front of StNic how to take the traffic?
Given not every household drives, low density landed which traffic is mostly served by Thomson Hills and Sembawang Hills Roads to enter the clusters, and with the bus services and future Mayflower MRT facilities, the traffic should be still manageable.

http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/skychiu/Property%20Ang%20Mo%20Kio/The%20Panorama/PB_The_Panorama_Logo_zps38eb6140.jpg (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html)

johnoon
08-12-13, 12:10
http://www.thepanorama-amk.net/

Take a look here.

condo101
09-12-13, 13:51
http://thepanoramaamk.sg/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/[email protected]

The Panorama @ Ang Mo Kio
BRAND NEW CONDOMINIUM By Wheelock Properties

- The Next Anticipated Launch! -

Next to CHIJ St. Nicholas Girls’ School
Walking distance to upcoming Mayflower MRT Station
Panoramic views over landed residential enclave
Developed by the prestigious Wheelock Properties
Premium and quality finishes
Highly sought after development site, with 12 bids from developers

azeoprop
09-12-13, 14:22
Wonder will they level up the land to be similar height to the junction of st 13 and ave 2? Or will it be sunken as it is now? :beats-me-man:

kane
10-12-13, 11:31
if they level up, that will be very very good!

star
10-12-13, 11:36
I don't think the land will be level up, it will be sunken.
If they level up they may encounter additional problem of bring equipments or machines into the site as the ground level are different.

kane
10-12-13, 13:41
or they can buy a high loft in the lobby to create the illusion of levlling.

rymccondo77
11-12-13, 18:38
Received news from an agent that the booking of units is targeted to start in Mid Jan 2014.

delirious
16-12-13, 11:54
Vip preview booking to start tentative mid jan so showflat will most probably be opened probably for two weekends start first week jan for invites to view.

awaiting full details from developer now. Can register at the website below to be informed.

The Panorama website (http://www.thepanoramaa.com)

http://www.thepanoramaa.com/wp-content/uploads/Panoramavisit1.jpg (http://www.thepanoramaa.com)

www.AaronWan.sg
21-12-13, 15:25
https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1521752_668735059844171_1557181203_n.jpg

Recently, we have seen strong responses for Duo Residences, Sky Vue and Inflora which nearly sold out within a day.

A lot are still waiting very patiently...

Will the response be just as HOT for the next launch..The Panorama by Wheelock Properties?

Register with me now for the VVIP viewing targeted to be on 4 January!

Register and keep up to date with the latest happenings @ AaronWan.sg/the-panorama/ (http://aaronwan.sg/the-panorama/) or contact me at 8488 6648.

newlaunchproperty
23-12-13, 01:05
http://i1060.photobucket.com/albums/t457/skychiu/Property%20Ang%20Mo%20Kio/The%20Panorama/The_Panorama_Facade_zps942a72f5.jpg (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html)

The Panorama (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html) targeted showflat preview is just 2 weeks away from 4th Jan'14. VVIP Booking to be in mid Jan'14 (exact date to be advised). I guess it excites many of you on this most anticipated launch by Wheelock Properties whose has been developing prestigious developments in prime locations. Their recent integrated development Scotts Square at Scotts Road. Isn't it great to be a proud owner of The Panorama by a reputable developer?

Be updated, Register your interest with me for VVIP Preview now at The Panorama (http://newlaunch-property.com/showcase/the-panorama.html)! You may also contact me at 9789 8770 for speedy response. :)

www.AaronWan.sg
23-12-13, 13:01
https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/1524974_669799659737711_1730217890_n.jpg (http://aaronwan.sg/the-panorama/)

The Panorama (next to CHIJ Saint Nicholas Girls' School and near upcoming Mayflower MRT Station)

Launching soon! Have you registered your interest? Do not miss this definite sellout project by Wheelock Properties!

Call me at 8488 6648 to register or for more information.

www.AaronWan.sg/the-panorama/

condo101
24-12-13, 14:09
http://65home.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/merry-christmas.png (http://65home.com)

kane
27-12-13, 08:06
saw a big group gathering at the showroom this morning. are they conducting a briefing?

condo101
27-12-13, 12:13
saw a big group gathering at the showroom this morning. are they conducting a briefing?

Agent briefing today. Preview very soon.

johnoon
27-12-13, 13:10
Updating now.:scared-2:

delirious
27-12-13, 14:51
UPDATE

Showflat will open from 4th Jan 2014 for invites to view, REGISTER (http://www-thepanorama.com) on the website now!

1 bedroom 431 – 474 sqft
2-bedroom 678 - 700 sqft
2-bedroom + Study 775 - 797 sqft
3-bedroom 990 - 1066 sqft
3-bedroom + Study 1109 -1163 sqft
4-bedroom 1313 - 1335 sqft
5-bedroom 1561 sqft
Penthouse 1841 - 2411 sqft

http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/THEPANORAMASITEPLAN.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com)

http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/Panoramavisit.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com)

kane
27-12-13, 17:12
Stack 30 and 31 should be pretty popular.

ecimbew
27-12-13, 19:56
This is an interesting site.

Stacks 2 and 3 are at the fork. Feng shui wise is not good.

http://thepanorama8.com/wp-content/uploads/the-panorama-location.jpg

ecimbew
27-12-13, 20:00
AMK St 13 is on higher ground. The entire land slopes downwards towards the old St Nicholas.


http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/THEPANORAMASITEPLAN.jpg

ecimbew
27-12-13, 20:13
The only side gate is between Blk 8 and 20. That's far from the future train entrance.

delirious
27-12-13, 20:23
i believe its more like sloping down from west to east , with the blocks on the right having a "sunken" feel eg for stk 20,27 , 3rd floor is about same level as the carpark road in front to it. The "panorama trail" uses the elevation to create the bridge across the pool.

http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/THEPANORAMASITEPLAN.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com)

http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/THEPANORAMAROOFPLAN.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com)

http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/Panoramavisit.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com)

ecimbew
27-12-13, 20:46
The roof plan... looks very busy with party, grills and gym.

richwang
28-12-13, 08:06
How about Stack 18 for own stay?

99LH is still a kind of show stopper ...

kane
28-12-13, 13:19
stack 18 will get some west sun in the second half of the year.

condo101
28-12-13, 13:25
stack 18 will get some west sun in the second half of the year.

Blk 18 & 20 are consider premium block, prepare to pay a slightly higher price for this 2 block.

electron
28-12-13, 13:30
stack 18 will get some west sun in the second half of the year.

How does the west sun tilt/change throughout the year?

kane
28-12-13, 14:10
there's a few degrees swing if you observe closely enough.

condo101
28-12-13, 14:49
I used to stay in a house that have more afternoon sun in some month of the year. I would said the sun direction change about 10 to 15 degree.

kane
28-12-13, 15:33
sounds about there.

teddybear
28-12-13, 18:58
Should be about 23.4 degrees, similar to earth tilt. :2cents:


I used to stay in a house that have more afternoon sun in some month of the year. I would said the sun direction change about 10 to 15 degree.

www.AaronWan.sg
29-12-13, 19:37
For those who have PMed me for directions, please note that the showflat and actual site are at different locations.

http://aaronwan.sg/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/Panorama-Showflat-Location.jpg (http://aaronwan.sg/the-panorama/)

Do call me on the actual day before heading down on 4 January to 12 January and I'll guide you there. I'll be stationed at the showflat during the preview period.

Register and keep up to date with the latest happenings @ AaronWan.sg/the-panorama/ (http://aaronwan.sg/the-panorama/) or contact me at 8488 6648.

ecimbew
30-12-13, 11:20
The area highlighted in blue is HDB high rise. Wind direction will less likely come from east. The rest are low rise in a predominantly landed properties area.


http://oi44.tinypic.com/2zfjw2f.jpg

amk
30-12-13, 11:43
Wheelock paid close to 800psf for this, right at the peak, before the mega CMs were announced.

I wonder how it is going to sell. UOL's bright hill drive site was only 720psf, and it has to sell at 12-1300 psf. This one cannot be more ex than Thomson Three, can it ??

ecimbew
30-12-13, 12:07
It has to price very carefully.

Agents, please share the pricing here.

kane
30-12-13, 15:36
Wheelock paid close to 800psf for this, right at the peak, before the mega CMs were announced.

I wonder how it is going to sell. UOL's bright hill drive site was only 720psf, and it has to sell at 12-1300 psf. This one cannot be more ex than Thomson Three, can it ??

wheelock might try to use one of its luxurious living proposition to up its price. the architecture at first glance looks so so, the roof top lifestyle offering looks interesting though.

august
30-12-13, 15:43
Wheelock paid close to 800psf for this, right at the peak, before the mega CMs were announced.

I wonder how it is going to sell. UOL's bright hill drive site was only 720psf, and it has to sell at 12-1300 psf. This one cannot be more ex than Thomson Three, can it ??

thomson three is arguably at a better location.

amk
30-12-13, 16:28
wheelock might try to use one of its luxurious living proposition to up its price. the architecture at first glance looks so so, the roof top lifestyle offering looks interesting though.

to be "luxurious", the pre-requisite is marble flooring. and not just any marble.

will this one give marble ? any agent can tell ? (I'm sure this detail is already available).


thomson three is arguably at a better location.

yes indeed, thomson three is definitely at a better location compared to this.

azeoprop
30-12-13, 17:28
Sample floor plans:

http://thepanorama8.com/floor-plan/

teddybear
30-12-13, 19:30
Unreasonably BIG 2 air-con ledges! Do they have 2 so big air-con compressors? :doh:


Sample floor plans:

http://thepanorama8.com/floor-plan/

mantrix
30-12-13, 19:32
1300psf upwards i predict

amk
30-12-13, 21:20
1300psf upwards i predict

No way. Has to be below 1300 to move.

august
30-12-13, 22:48
Sample floor plans:

http://thepanorama8.com/floor-plan/

poor sizes again, just look at the living room and bedroom size, LOL.

newbie11
31-12-13, 00:20
Floor plans watermark say not for circulation.. :p

www.AaronWan.sg
31-12-13, 08:47
Below are notes taken during the Architect’s briefing. This is my understanding from the brief and shall not be deemed conclusive. Do check details with me again during the preview. I will be stationed at the showflat during the preview period.

‐Architect- MKPL Architect PTE LTD
‐Landscape Architect- Stretectonix PTE LTD
‐Project Interior Design- MKPL Architect PTE LTD
‐Showflat Designer- Farm Work and The Plush PTE LTD
‐Main Contractor- To Be Confirm
‐M&E Engineer- United Project Consultant PTE LTD
‐C&S Engineer- Meinhardt(S) PTE LTD
‐698 Total Units
‐7 Blocks- 8, 10, 12, 14, 16,18,20
‐Block 14 is Club House
‐Block 8 & 10 to be 20 Level High
‐Block 12, 16, 18, 20 to be 17 Level High
‐Gauge to have 6 to 8 units per level
‐701 Car park Lots (608 + 6 Handicap Lots)- Basement 1 and 2
‐Club house with 3 Level and a lift will be provided to serve the residence well.
‐Basement of Club house will have “Games Room, Screening Room, 1st Level will have multipurpose room (2 Function Room) and 2nd Level will have a gym.
‐One Penthouse at each block.
‐Block 18 to have a Sky Studio
‐Block 10 & 12 to have a Sky Gym
‐Sky Park at 18th and 21th Floor located at Block 8 and 10
‐Tree Top Walk- 247m long
‐Bin Centre to be below Block 10 near the Entrance
‐Substation to be below Block 8
‐2 lifts to serve at each block
‐Rubbish chute to be shared and located at the corridor
‐Collection of rubbish will be at Basement 1 and transfer to the bin centre
‐No bomb shelter within the unit, it will be located at stair case instead.
‐1 Side Gate at AMK Street 13
‐Access card will be given to the lift to proceed the respective units.
‐Bus Stop just right outside Block 10 of the development.
‐All Drop off at Basement 1 itself
‐Separate Drop Off for Block 8 and 10
‐To clear landed view- 5 Storey High
‐To clear the School View- 6 Storey High
‐To clear HDB View- 11 Storey High
‐Ceiling height- 2.8m, Bathroom and Kitchen- 2.4m
‐Well Facilities like 3 BBQ Deck, Children Playground, 3 Pockets of Jacuzzi, Children Pool, Aqua Pool, Multipurpose Court, Fitness Corner, Yoga Area, 50 m Pool
‐Distance between each block

Showflat

Showflat Type 3c (3 Bedroom)
‐Living Dining-Biege Marble Flooring
‐Bedroom- Engineered Timber Flooring
‐Enclose Kitchen- Provided with Cabinet, Hanger, Appliances, Stainless Steel Back Splash
‐Bedroom- Wardrobe Provided with the mirror
‐Toilet to have sliding door and bedroom to have swing door
‐Yard can be converted to Maid Rooms
‐Cermic Stove for smaller unit types
‐Gas Stove will be provided for bigger unit types instead.

Type 5A (5 Bedroom)
‐Living Dining-Biege Marble Flooring
‐Bedroom- Engineered Timber Flooring
‐50 mm raise from door to units
‐Countertop as per what you see in showflat will be given
‐Only 4 Bedroom and 5 Bedroom will be providing Dry and Wet Kitchen. There will be a pivot door from the dry to the wet kitchen
‐Balcony to have glass with stainless steel
‐No bathtub to be provided in typical units. Only Penthouse will be provided
‐2 + Study and 3 + Study to have an open concept Kitchen

From my understanding, even the Kitchens are laid with Marble tiles as well! (to be confirmed)

Register and keep up to date with the latest happenings @ AaronWan.sg/the-panorama/ (http://aaronwan.sg/the-panorama/) or contact me at 8488 6648.

sherrie
31-12-13, 10:18
Any indicative price yet?

amk
31-12-13, 10:38
ok at least has marble. hope it's the better type and big pieces.
common chute again..... ppl should really vote down this with their money.
2.8m ceiling height is ....very "mass market"...

this cannot be more than 1300psf.

azeoprop
31-12-13, 11:07
Is the project sunken compared to amk st 13? Or will it be levelled up to start at same level as blk171 next door? :confused:

lionhill
31-12-13, 11:28
No way. Has to be below 1300 to move.

given the land price, the developer will just break-even at $1300 psf.

mantrix
31-12-13, 11:58
ok at least has marble. hope it's the better type and big pieces.
common chute again..... ppl should really vote down this with their money.
2.8m ceiling height is ....very "mass market"...

this cannot be more than 1300psf.

you seem to be very against this. I doubt developer will sell at a loss.

kane
31-12-13, 12:49
the balcony is huge. the 5 bedder layout looks good but it faces a cross road junction. some people will say fengshui no good.

amk
31-12-13, 14:22
you seem to be very against this. I doubt developer will sell at a loss.

not at all. I want this to be a success. in order to be a success, it has to be below 1300. this area is not exactly an exciting location.

at 1300 there are plenty of ways to make a profit.. large AC ledge and etc. construction cost can always be managed.

bargain hunter
03-01-14, 07:40
PUBLISHED JANUARY 03, 2014

Wheelock to unveil condo project in AMK

Prices expected to start from under $700,000 for one-bedder

BY KALPANA RASHIWALA [email protected]

WHEELOCK Properties unveils tomorrow The Panorama in Ang Mo Kio Avenue 2, its first 99-year suburban condo project in Singapore in nearly two decades. The showflat will open with sales bookings expected to begin around Jan 17/18, BT understands.

The developer declined to reveal prices. Agents have been quoting absolute prices from under $700,000 for a one-bedroom apartment of about 430 square feet on the ground floor to more than $3 million for a five-bedroom penthouse of around 2,400 sq ft boasting nice views of Lower Peirce Reservoir.

In all, the development has 698 units housed in six blocks. It will have two 20-storey blocks, four 17-storey blocks with two levels of basement car parks, and a three-level clubhouse. Agents say that a good number of units will enjoy panoramic views of Lower Peirce Reservoir as the area in-between is low rise - comprising landed homes in the Thomson Hills area and Sembawang Hills estate.

Wheelock clinched the site at a state tender a year ago. Its winning bid of $550 million works out to nearly $790 per square foot per plot ratio. Located close to CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School, the project will be near the future Mayflower MRT Station on the Thomson Line that is expected to be operational around 2020, Wheelock said.

bargain hunter
03-01-14, 07:41
maybe start from under 1300psf. FROM 12xxpsf...then better units 13xx?


not at all. I want this to be a success. in order to be a success, it has to be below 1300. this area is not exactly an exciting location.

at 1300 there are plenty of ways to make a profit.. large AC ledge and etc. construction cost can always be managed.

sherrie
03-01-14, 07:58
PUBLISHED JANUARY 03, 2014

Wheelock to unveil condo project in AMK

Prices expected to start from under $700,000 for one-bedder

BY KALPANA RASHIWALA [email protected]

WHEELOCK Properties unveils tomorrow The Panorama in Ang Mo Kio Avenue 2, its first 99-year suburban condo project in Singapore in nearly two decades. The showflat will open with sales bookings expected to begin around Jan 17/18, BT understands.

The developer declined to reveal prices. Agents have been quoting absolute prices from under $700,000 for a one-bedroom apartment of about 430 square feet on the ground floor to more than $3 million for a five-bedroom penthouse of around 2,400 sq ft boasting nice views of Lower Peirce Reservoir.

In all, the development has 698 units housed in six blocks. It will have two 20-storey blocks, four 17-storey blocks with two levels of basement car parks, and a three-level clubhouse. Agents say that a good number of units will enjoy panoramic views of Lower Peirce Reservoir as the area in-between is low rise - comprising landed homes in the Thomson Hills area and Sembawang Hills estate.

Wheelock clinched the site at a state tender a year ago. Its winning bid of $550 million works out to nearly $790 per square foot per plot ratio. Located close to CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School, the project will be near the future Mayflower MRT Station on the Thomson Line that is expected to be operational around 2020, Wheelock said.

~700K for a 430sf one-bedder seems pricey for that location.
In comparison, Alex Residences cheapest one-bedder was 760K for 474sf.
If the indicative prices of Panorama are true, I really am puzzled how Wheelock expects to sell them. :(

chiaberry
03-01-14, 08:07
~700K for a 430sf one-bedder seems pricey for that location.
In comparison, Alex Residences cheapest one-bedder was 760K for 474sf.
If the indicative prices of Panorama are true, I really am puzzled how Wheelock expects to sell them. :(

Agree. The pricing seems a bit steep for that location.

DC33_2008
03-01-14, 08:14
It may still be popular for young family with parents staying at the nearby landed property.
PUBLISHED JANUARY 03, 2014

Wheelock to unveil condo project in AMK

Prices expected to start from under $700,000 for one-bedder

BY KALPANA RASHIWALA [email protected]

WHEELOCK Properties unveils tomorrow The Panorama in Ang Mo Kio Avenue 2, its first 99-year suburban condo project in Singapore in nearly two decades. The showflat will open with sales bookings expected to begin around Jan 17/18, BT understands.

The developer declined to reveal prices. Agents have been quoting absolute prices from under $700,000 for a one-bedroom apartment of about 430 square feet on the ground floor to more than $3 million for a five-bedroom penthouse of around 2,400 sq ft boasting nice views of Lower Peirce Reservoir.

In all, the development has 698 units housed in six blocks. It will have two 20-storey blocks, four 17-storey blocks with two levels of basement car parks, and a three-level clubhouse. Agents say that a good number of units will enjoy panoramic views of Lower Peirce Reservoir as the area in-between is low rise - comprising landed homes in the Thomson Hills area and Sembawang Hills estate.

Wheelock clinched the site at a state tender a year ago. Its winning bid of $550 million works out to nearly $790 per square foot per plot ratio. Located close to CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School, the project will be near the future Mayflower MRT Station on the Thomson Line that is expected to be operational around 2020, Wheelock said.

dtrax
03-01-14, 12:57
WHEELOCK Properties unveils tomorrow The Panorama in Ang Mo Kio Avenue 2, its first 99-year suburban condo project in Singapore in nearly two decades. The showflat will open with sales bookings expected to begin around Jan 17/18, BT understands.

The developer declined to reveal prices. Agents have been quoting absolute prices from under $700,000 for a one-bedroom apartment of about 430 square feet on the ground floor to more than $3 million for a five-bedroom penthouse of around 2,400 sq ft boasting nice views of Lower Peirce Reservoir.

In all, the development has 698 units housed in six blocks. It will have two 20-storey blocks, four 17-storey blocks with two levels of basement car parks, and a three-level clubhouse. Agents say that a good number of units will enjoy panoramic views of Lower Peirce Reservoir as the area in-between is low rise - comprising landed homes in the Thomson Hills area and Sembawang Hills estate.

Wheelock clinched the site at a state tender a year ago. Its winning bid of $550 million works out to nearly $790 per square foot per plot ratio. Located close to CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School, the project will be near the future Mayflower MRT Station on the Thomson Line that is expected to be operational around 2020, Wheelock said.

Market watchers suggest that for Wheelock to move units in the 698-unit project, a realistic pricing could be $1,350-1,400 psf on average. The developer is said to be aiming higher: $1,400-1,600 psf.

A Wheelock spokesman said: "We are mindful of the impact of the TDSR (total debt servicing ratio) framework, especially for the suburban property market and our price will reflect this."

The Panorama will offer a range of unit types. One-bedroom apartments make up 13 per cent of the development; two-bedders, 28 per cent; three-bedders, 45 per cent; four-bedders, 10 per cent; five-bedders, 3 per cent; and penthouses, one per cent.

"Sizes vary from 430 sq ft for a single-bedroom unit to 2,400 sq ft for the penthouses," Wheelock said.

Tan Bee Kim, senior executive director of Wheelock Properties Singapore, said: "This is a much coveted site as the tender attracted bids from 12 developers. The potential to attract owner occupied buyers as well as investors is high as the location is excellent."

There are a number of premium schools catering to different education levels - St Nicholas Girls' School, Anderson Junior College, Nanyang Polytechnic, James Cook University and Australian International School.

The project will bear a number of "premium quality features". Living and dining rooms of all units will have marble flooring and kitchens will be fitted with Miele appliances.

MKPL Architects has optimised and enhanced the undulating terrain of the 198,942 sq ft site with a "thoughtful design to connect residents with nature".

Landscape architect Sitetectonix has earmarked a large central open space that offers greenery and grounds for facilities. A 247-metre-long panoramic trail walk among trees will be built across this central open space.

Besides 96,000 sq ft of landscaped garden at ground level, there will be another 10,000 sq ft of rooftop greenery. The 21st floor skypark will include a gym.

The last 99-year suburban project Wheelock developed was Parc Oasis in Jurong, which was completed in 1995.

ERA and Knight Frank are the marketing agents for The Panorama

bargain hunter
03-01-14, 13:03
now is not really the time for PERMIUM fittings as marketing point.

i hope i'm proven wrong and wish them the best, really.


WHEELOCK Properties unveils tomorrow The Panorama in Ang Mo Kio Avenue 2, its first 99-year suburban condo project in Singapore in nearly two decades. The showflat will open with sales bookings expected to begin around Jan 17/18, BT understands.

The developer declined to reveal prices. Agents have been quoting absolute prices from under $700,000 for a one-bedroom apartment of about 430 square feet on the ground floor to more than $3 million for a five-bedroom penthouse of around 2,400 sq ft boasting nice views of Lower Peirce Reservoir.

In all, the development has 698 units housed in six blocks. It will have two 20-storey blocks, four 17-storey blocks with two levels of basement car parks, and a three-level clubhouse. Agents say that a good number of units will enjoy panoramic views of Lower Peirce Reservoir as the area in-between is low rise - comprising landed homes in the Thomson Hills area and Sembawang Hills estate.

Wheelock clinched the site at a state tender a year ago. Its winning bid of $550 million works out to nearly $790 per square foot per plot ratio. Located close to CHIJ St Nicholas Girls' School, the project will be near the future Mayflower MRT Station on the Thomson Line that is expected to be operational around 2020, Wheelock said.

Market watchers suggest that for Wheelock to move units in the 698-unit project, a realistic pricing could be $1,350-1,400 psf on average. The developer is said to be aiming higher: $1,400-1,600 psf.

A Wheelock spokesman said: "We are mindful of the impact of the TDSR (total debt servicing ratio) framework, especially for the suburban property market and our price will reflect this."

The Panorama will offer a range of unit types. One-bedroom apartments make up 13 per cent of the development; two-bedders, 28 per cent; three-bedders, 45 per cent; four-bedders, 10 per cent; five-bedders, 3 per cent; and penthouses, one per cent.

"Sizes vary from 430 sq ft for a single-bedroom unit to 2,400 sq ft for the penthouses," Wheelock said.

Tan Bee Kim, senior executive director of Wheelock Properties Singapore, said: "This is a much coveted site as the tender attracted bids from 12 developers. The potential to attract owner occupied buyers as well as investors is high as the location is excellent."

There are a number of premium schools catering to different education levels - St Nicholas Girls' School, Anderson Junior College, Nanyang Polytechnic, James Cook University and Australian International School.

The project will bear a number of "premium quality features". Living and dining rooms of all units will have marble flooring and kitchens will be fitted with Miele appliances.

MKPL Architects has optimised and enhanced the undulating terrain of the 198,942 sq ft site with a "thoughtful design to connect residents with nature".

Landscape architect Sitetectonix has earmarked a large central open space that offers greenery and grounds for facilities. A 247-metre-long panoramic trail walk among trees will be built across this central open space.

Besides 96,000 sq ft of landscaped garden at ground level, there will be another 10,000 sq ft of rooftop greenery. The 21st floor skypark will include a gym.

The last 99-year suburban project Wheelock developed was Parc Oasis in Jurong, which was completed in 1995.

ERA and Knight Frank are the marketing agents for The Panorama

amk
03-01-14, 13:34
totally agree. not the time to sell "luxury" now in this heartland.
I hope it is just marketing: "we want to sell 1500psf. But for vvips like you we sell at 1300psf".

btw, its showflat is where Centro showflat used to be. in 2009 Centro started 1300psf, at least it has 4 good yrs to clear (most of) it. Does wheelock expect the same 4yrs to sell this ?

azeoprop
03-01-14, 15:55
There are still a lot of "premium" units in the nearby sky habitat, sky vue and Thomson three to clear. :doh:

august
03-01-14, 19:21
There are still a lot of "premium" units in the nearby sky habitat, sky vue and Thomson three to clear. :doh:

precisely, bishan ones are better.

Noexit
03-01-14, 23:06
precisely, bishan ones are better.

True bishan is better

kane
03-01-14, 23:40
Just new a few over enthusiastic mummy buying this for the sake of their daughter in or going to St Nicks...

iridrium
04-01-14, 07:27
Just new a few over enthusiastic mummy buying this for the sake of their daughter in or going to St Nicks...

Then might as well buy Steven road for raffles girls? Better sch, better location , most prob freehold.

kane
04-01-14, 07:38
RGPS no affiliated secondary school. SCGS and MGS will have though.

bargain hunter
04-01-14, 09:10
and RGPS is bukit timah, hillcrest area. steven's road one is sec sch, heard also moving to bishan some years down the road?


Then might as well buy Steven road for raffles girls? Better sch, better location , most prob freehold.

amk
04-01-14, 09:35
and RGPS is bukit timah, hillcrest area. steven's road one is sec sch, heard also moving to bishan some years down the road?

RGPS is at hillcrest, RGS is at Stevens, but in 3ys time will move to bishan, to be next to RI.

Can't you see the grand matchmaking arrangement gov is doing ? RGS with RI, SCGS with ACS, Nanyang Girls with Hwa Chong ? :D And for St Nics, dun worry, gov is building a new JC to house IP kids from both St Nic and ... guess what, Catholic High :D

bargain hunter
04-01-14, 10:33
then can sell lah this project. 1350psf too cheap lah. wheelock's target should be the correct price.


RGPS is at hillcrest, RGS is at Stevens, but in 3ys time will move to bishan, to be next to RI.

Can't you see the grand matchmaking arrangement gov is doing ? RGS with RI, SCGS with ACS, Nanyang Girls with Hwa Chong ? :D And for St Nics, dun worry, gov is building a new JC to house IP kids from both St Nic and ... guess what, Catholic High :D

amk
04-01-14, 10:59
What, to sell atas association with catholic high and st Nics ? See today's advert, all landed view some more ?

Psf is actually pointless, quantum will decide. 3bd 1.3mil and below. To have higher psf than 1300, a normal 3bd got to be < 1000sqft substantially.

Actually to think of it, lucky wheelock give out full marble etc, at least give it a real condo feel. The feeling of tiles and marble is really very very distinct

DC33_2008
04-01-14, 11:03
Will be a beeline at show flat.
What, to sell atas association with catholic high and st Nics ? See today's advert, all landed view some more ?

Psf is actually pointless, quantum will decide. 3bd 1.3mil and below. To have higher psf than 1300, a normal 3bd got to be < 1000sqft substantially.

Actually to think of it, lucky wheelock give out full marble etc, at least give it a real condo feel. The feeling of tiles and marble is really very very distinct

kane
04-01-14, 11:38
RGPS is at hillcrest, RGS is at Stevens, but in 3ys time will move to bishan, to be next to RI.

Can't you see the grand matchmaking arrangement gov is doing ? RGS with RI, SCGS with ACS, Nanyang Girls with Hwa Chong ? :D And for St Nics, dun worry, gov is building a new JC to house IP kids from both St Nic and ... guess what, Catholic High :D

St Nics, Cath High and SCGS is forming an IP together and their campus will be at Bishan.

kane
04-01-14, 11:39
is the preview on today by the way?

august
04-01-14, 11:46
how's the response?

kane
04-01-14, 11:54
no sound no picture it seems...

sunboy77
04-01-14, 12:16
Heard very packed over there now. Agents too busy to reply here I guess.

clemdale24
04-01-14, 12:32
Actually to think of it, lucky wheelock give out full marble etc, at least give it a real condo feel. The feeling of tiles and marble is really very very distinct

u think so? maybe you're right. i dont know of many condos with tiles.. but metropolitan in redhill is one of them, and yes it looks v cheap inside.

cavaliver
04-01-14, 13:15
and RGPS is bukit timah, hillcrest area. steven's road one is sec sch, heard also moving to bishan some years down the road?

Yes. Heard that for some time. My two girls finished their secondary school there and it still haven t moved yet. :doh:

august
04-01-14, 13:32
Actually to think of it, lucky wheelock give out full marble etc, at least give it a real condo feel. The feeling of tiles and marble is really very very distinct

a condo that has no tennis court to me is a cop out. But i suppose the mass market upgraders can accept.

teddybear
04-01-14, 16:56
Even if there is 1 tennis court, but if there are >200 units in the estate, enough/got chance to use mah? Isn't this the difference between mass market condo and premium condo? :rolleyes:


a condo that has no tennis court to me is a cop out. But i suppose the mass market upgraders can accept.

fiat500
04-01-14, 18:20
Even if there is 1 tennis court, but if there are >200 units in the estate, enough/got chance to use mah? Isn't this the difference between mass market condo and premium condo? :rolleyes:

Anyway tennis is not that popular anymore compared to 10-15yrs ago..

teddybear
04-01-14, 18:47
So people don't play tennis as sports any more? Or it is not popular anymore because nowsadays their condos don't have tennis court to begin with? I feel the latter is more like it. :ashamed1:


Anyway tennis is not that popular anymore compared to 10-15yrs ago..

azeoprop
04-01-14, 20:47
Official website with all floor plans
http://panorama.sg/

:p

kane
04-01-14, 22:32
saw quite a crowd there this evening but decided not to squeeze with everyone today. ha.

Ringo33
04-01-14, 22:39
Official website with all floor plans
http://panorama.sg/

:p

the one bedder layout look good. I like the idea of having the the aircon ledge at the bathroom. easily accessible, can even put some non essential stuff like broom or mops there.

only 4 bedder and larger units has got helpers room, and they are "en suite"

Ginkonut
04-01-14, 23:09
From the look of it, the price should be around $1450 average. The floor plan is good and the pictures have the luxury and classy feel.

azeoprop
05-01-14, 08:06
Do note that the stove is directly facing the bedroom door for some of the 1 bedders. This is considered bad fengshui.

:beats-me-man:

iridrium
05-01-14, 09:59
3 bedders are good size!!! And they don't have stupid name like 3 bedroom compact or premium.

Ringo33
05-01-14, 10:07
3 bedders are good size!!! And they don't have stupid name like 3 bedroom compact or premium.

its good size because there are no utility or HS at in kitchen.

So if you going to have a live in helper, you will need to set aside a room

dleedoner
05-01-14, 12:37
units are really small.

4 bedders only <1400 sq ft.OMG!

star
05-01-14, 13:39
units are really small.

4 bedders only <1400 sq ft.OMG!

Quite normal now. :)

CRViper
05-01-14, 13:57
not sure if they use "normal sized furnitures" in the floorplans and actual showflat. The way they displaying it seems to give an impression that there's lots of space but we all know 1400sqft for 5bedroom isnt really big...

At least they did away with planterbox, bay windows. Just a superbig balcony and multiple AC ledge...

amk
05-01-14, 17:26
Dropped by just now. Lots of ppl, but not exactly crowded, definitely less crowded than thomson 3 or sky vue.

Yes indeed have marbles all around. Not bad. Fittings are branded, hansgrohe etc, but lower range if you know the details. Small kitchen, small room, as expected nowadays. The marble and timber floors do give it a luxury feel, well done wheelock. It tried its best to give functional layout, no strange corners. The balcony is big, but at least with a purpose, big enough to put a set of table, with nice glass parapet and stainless steel handrails, looks nice.

Price, all indicating 1400 to 1600 psf "neither as the min nor max". I guess wheelock has to see response then set the px.

Btw maintenance is low for larger units: 4bd and 5bd has the same 3## maintenance charge as 3bd.

CRViper
05-01-14, 18:40
I wonder will the showflat be "quiet" tmr on a monday early afternoon? Been wanting to take a look but want to avoid the crowd...

azeoprop
05-01-14, 19:06
There are many other better options in the 1400 to 1600psf price range. :beats-me-man:
They should price it similar to thomson 3 to be competitive.

star
05-01-14, 19:06
I wonder will the showflat be "quiet" tmr on a monday early afternoon? Been wanting to take a look but want to avoid the crowd...

The more Crowd the better because agents will not pester you.

dleedoner
05-01-14, 20:07
There are many other better options in the 1400 to 1600psf price range. :beats-me-man:
They should price it similar to thomson 3 to be competitive.

Agree. for instance, Dleedon - it is possible to buy a low floor unit at around 1400psf.

Dleedon while has 1715 units... the land area is 800,000sq ft ......Panaroma is 200,000sq ft... and Dleedon facilities are unmatched... MRT at doorstep.

newbie11
05-01-14, 21:21
D leedon not marble unless premium units?

teddybear
05-01-14, 21:45
Yes, in order to cut costs and move units, and with lots of unusable space sold to buyers, but in a way cheapen the $PSF and make people think why Farrer Road become so cheapskate?


D leedon not marble unless premium units?

alex123
05-01-14, 21:47
Visited showflat today, the bedroom size appears smaller than hdb with single bed only able to place against window in order to have walking space. cheap finishing with artificial timber flooring and cheap tiles in bathroom. China sourced marble flooring in living. WC in common bath obstructing standing space in front of wash basin. Maid bed placed next to washing machine. Loss of indoor GFA due to large balcony.
Overall 3 bedroom in the showflat feels smaller than HDB BTO 4bedroom which is 90 sqm area (advantage of HDB no balcony). if higher than $1400psf, more ex than Thomson 3 and even D'Leedon low floor.

dleedoner
06-01-14, 05:47
Yes, in order to cut costs and move units, and with lots of unusable space sold to buyers, but in a way cheapen the $PSF and make people think why Farrer Road become so cheapskate?

I visited the "designer" showflat of Dleedon. I think "unusable" space is subjective.... the showflat does not feel space is wasted. Dleedon is a designer condo.

Materials wise - I agree... materials could be better, but again how to find 1400psf+ in D10.

Premium Blks has quality finishings like marble... miele equipment... video intercom etc....think it is almost sold out...

lionhill
06-01-14, 07:55
I visited the "designer" showflat of Dleedon. I think "unusable" space is subjective.... the showflat does not feel space is wasted. Dleedon is a designer condo.

Materials wise - I agree... materials could be better, but again how to find 1400psf+ in D10.

Premium Blks has quality finishings like marble... miele equipment... video intercom etc....think it is almost sold out...
I also agree that most space in units of Dleedon is "usable" after a good renovation. But the marbles in premium units are compressed marble with old-fashioned patterns.

One unpleasant fact about Dleedon is the quantum. The amount can be easily over $2M even for a 3drm units priced at less than S$1400 psf, and it will not give one a feeling of being spacious even if the area is more than 130sqm. Especially, the toilet is very cramped and in irregular shape.

For such big quantum, I think Panorama can be sold even cheaper in terms of psf?

DC33_2008
06-01-14, 08:01
DLeedon is closer to City than Panaroma. Both have good schools nearby. Traffic is bad for both. Which has better rental yield? Which has more upside?

iridrium
06-01-14, 08:31
DLeedon is closer to City than Panaroma. Both have good schools nearby. Traffic is bad for both. Which has better rental yield? Which has more upside?

My vote goes to D Leedon , being 10mins drive to Orchard Road, Bukit Timah and Holland Village.

smellyfish
06-01-14, 08:42
dleedon is $1400-$1600 only for the bigger 3bdrm and above units.
for the 1-2 bdrms, it's closer to $1800-2000 psf.

pano win on (1) squarish layout, (2) no bay window, (3) better finishings generally (4) cheaper

dleedon win on (1) better location, (2) more common areas

i think dleedon is a very good buy if you manage to get in at $12++ psf when they panic sell Dec2012-Jan2013 or if you get a 4 bdrm 2000+ sf unit at blk 15, 10flr onwards facing GCB for around 15++psf...

lionhill
06-01-14, 08:43
My vote goes to D Leedon , being 10mins drive to Orchard Road, Bukit Timah and Holland Village.
Dleedon is already a past tense, with most left are high floor, high psf units?

iridrium
06-01-14, 09:05
Dleedon is already a past tense, with most left are high floor, high psf units?

Question asked was "Which has better rental yield? Which has more upside?"

Why is D Leedon a past tense? It havent even TOP. haha.

Yes, D Leedon has higher psf but does it have the potential to go even higher psf (i.e upside), my view is yes, due to the surrounding values. As for Panorama, not many comparables and already historical high. We are comparing D9 to D20?

Yes, D Leedon can potential have better rental yield due to its proximity to orchard road, holland village and bukit timah.

So if potential for higher rental yield and capital gain upside, my vote goes to D Leedon.

lionhill
06-01-14, 09:30
Question asked was "Which has better rental yield? Which has more upside?"

Why is D Leedon a past tense? It havent even TOP. haha.

Yes, D Leedon has higher psf but does it have the potential to go even higher psf (i.e upside), my view is yes, due to the surrounding values. As for Panorama, not many comparables and already historical high. We are comparing D9 to D20?

Yes, D Leedon can potential have better rental yield due to its proximity to orchard road, holland village and bukit timah.

So if potential for higher rental yield and capital gain upside, my vote goes to D Leedon.
Surrounding Dleedon are mostly FH development. If we add on a 20% to Dleedon price, it is not cheap compared with their neighbors, right?
My vote is: compared with its surronding FH deveopment, it will have higher rental yield. Compared with other part of the island, the rental yield of bukit Timah is never attractive.
Upside all depend on the inflation rate. Do not foget the big quantum of Dleedon.

iridrium
06-01-14, 09:33
Surrounding Dleedon are mostly FH development. If we add on a 20% to Dleedon price, it is not cheap compared with their neighbors, right?
My vote is: compared with its surronding FH deveopment, it will have higher rental yield. Compared with other part of the island, the rental yield of bukit Timah is never attractive.
Upside all depend on the inflation rate. Do not foget the big quantum of Dleedon.

So your vote is?

Rosy
06-01-14, 09:40
I believe dleedon will suffer the same fate as reflection which does not have much capital upside upon TOP unless u manage to buy at 12xxpsf.

iridrium
06-01-14, 09:47
I believe dleedon will suffer the same fate as reflection which does not have much capital upside upon TOP unless u manage to buy at 12xxpsf.

sure, so does that mean that Panorama won't suffer the same fate selling at $1,400psf - $1,600psf? Or you think Panorama will see price increase to $2,000psf while D Leedon languish at $1,xxxpsf?

We should bring Panorama into the discussion since we are in Panorama thread discussing the comparison of the two projects.

lionhill
06-01-14, 09:53
So your vote is?

I think you misunderstood me to some extent.
By "past tense", I mean there is no long $1300 ~$1400 psf units in Dleedon. Most left are expensive units or super big units (my guess only).

I cannot vote because I do not know the price of Panorama yet.

smellyfish
06-01-14, 10:12
if you have a maid and two school going kids, i think you need minimally a 4 rm.

even on the floor plan, the rooms look very small.

el loco
07-01-14, 11:07
This thread seem quiet....no one intetested in this new development? Any pics of the showflat?

sunboy77
07-01-14, 20:42
If really $1400 - $1600 psf, Wheelock can sloooooooooowly sell liao.

CCR
07-01-14, 21:29
If they sell at 1500 psf it's really very expensive....

kane
07-01-14, 21:30
If really $1400 - $1600 psf, Wheelock can sloooooooooowly sell liao.

like sky vue and sky habitat? heh.

lionhill
08-01-14, 07:37
Interesting. On the one hand, the developer bid the land high, on the other hand, buyers and agents hope the development can be sold low.

Let's wait and see the deveoper's response.

Lovelle
08-01-14, 08:40
if you have a maid and two school going kids, i think you need minimally a 4 rm.

even on the floor plan, the rooms look very small.

have seen they stay in a 3 room

amk
08-01-14, 21:20
Interesting. On the one hand, the developer bid the land high, on the other hand, buyers and agents hope the development can be sold low.

Let's wait and see the deveoper's response.

I sense your tone, but you did not see the simple perspective : it bid the land high, right at the peak of the tide, before CM. it did not launch fast enough to catch the window. Now it is normal ppl expect it to sell low to move. It has to.

And indeed developer has responded : it has reduced price for all 3 bd and belows. A standard 3bd 1000sqft is now marketed as "from 1,280,000". See, it has to go below 1300. ( maybe they read my post in this forum haha)

dleedoner
08-01-14, 21:25
This thread is becoming interesting.

Dleedon vs Pan.

Dleedon is in prime D10... central location... near Orchard... MRT at doorstep. The land... the space... facilities... unmatched and unbeatable. Near numerous good schools... NYPS... HC... Nanyang Girls... RGS...

Pan is in Ang Mo Kio - prime or non prime - no and yes. It is in a matured estate. Good school - yes.. St Nicks. Convenience ... but snob appeal will never be there.

Rental Yield.
Bukit Timah. Yield has not been great because of the quantum size. But between the 2 developments... there is increase scarcity of good size units....4 bedders at 2,000+ sq ft! If one can afford... go for it. Cos these units will become rarity in future. I read somewhere abt Blk 15 - it is almost sold if not fully sold - good units will be quickly picked by discerning buyers.

kane
08-01-14, 21:34
I sense your tone, but you did not see the simple perspective : it bid the land high, right at the peak of the tide, before CM. it did not launch fast enough to catch the window. Now it is normal ppl expect it to sell low to move. It has to.

And indeed developer has responded : it has reduced price for all 3 bd and belows. A standard 3bd 1000sqft is now marketed as "from 1,280,000". See, it has to go below 1300. ( maybe they read my post in this forum haha)

Stack 41 3bed 2nd floor probably might go for this price as it stairs into a high almost vertical slope.

azeoprop
08-01-14, 22:39
Yah most probably the low floor units will getthe below 1300psf price. However, price will increase alot as we go higher, similar to sky vue. :2cents:

kane
08-01-14, 23:09
not just low floor, low floor with view will be higher, must be low floor and no view.

delirious
08-01-14, 23:58
Newly released indicative prices!


http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/panoramaprice.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com/panorama-prices/)

http://www-thepanorama.com/wp-content/uploads/Panoramavisit.jpg (http://www-thepanorama.com)

lionhill
09-01-14, 08:11
I sense your tone, but you did not see the simple perspective : it bid the land high, right at the peak of the tide, before CM. it did not launch fast enough to catch the window. Now it is normal ppl expect it to sell low to move. It has to.

And indeed developer has responded : it has reduced price for all 3 bd and belows. A standard 3bd 1000sqft is now marketed as "from 1,280,000". See, it has to go below 1300. ( maybe they read my post in this forum haha)
to some extent, your sense may be right. but I am not that complex lah.

actually, I agree that it is difficult to move the project at a price over S$1400 psf for two to three bedders, but I also think the market is not so bad for the developer to choose to lose money. Besides, It is of no use for them to sell low and fast because they cannot expect to gain more from a new land parcel with the collected money. That's why I am really interested in knowing the response of the developer.

Strata
09-01-14, 22:23
Stack 41 3bed 2nd floor probably might go for this price as it stairs into a high almost vertical slope.

It could be applicable to only one or handful of units.. Starbuy units I presume..

fireflyy
13-01-14, 22:31
I noticed that most of their 2 and 3 bedrooms units seem to have a larger balcony than the living room? :eek:

CRViper
14-01-14, 18:01
I noticed that most of their 2 and 3 bedrooms units seem to have a larger balcony than the living room? :eek:

That's 1 of the disturbing thing I've noticed with some of the new developments too... Don't understand why can't they design one without balcony so we all can have a larger living room

dleedoner
15-01-14, 20:44
That's 1 of the disturbing thing I've noticed with some of the new developments too... Don't understand why can't they design one without balcony so we all can have a larger living room

Some actually like balconies.

I personally like balconies... as I wake up to the MBS city skyline everyday...

smellyfish
15-01-14, 21:01
its nice to have a big balcony but the apt must be big to begin with. if the living room is tiny, and then the balcony is the same size as the living room, then it feels quite duh...

I think a apt less than 1200 sf should never have a balcony.

frankly URA/BCA dropped the ball with its free GFA rules for balcony and bay window.

dleedoner
15-01-14, 21:15
its nice to have a big balcony but the apt must be big to begin with. if the living room is tiny, and then the balcony is the same size as the living room, then it feels quite duh...

I think a apt less than 1200 sf should never have a balcony.

frankly URA/BCA dropped the ball with its free GFA rules for balcony and bay window.

Agree. Between inner space and balcony... inner space should be big enuf first.

fireflyy
15-01-14, 23:48
I was initially quite keen on this project until I saw the psf guide price and the units floor plan for 2 and 3 bdrms. :doh:
I wonder how well they will do...

sherrie
16-01-14, 08:01
Would anyone happen to know if the ballot is happening today or postponed?
Just curious about the actual prices. :)

bargain hunter
16-01-14, 09:04
yeah. this thread is too quiet for a soon to preview project. anyone who is going for the ballot please update us. :)

i think its possible that there is still a further discount off the FROM 1.28m price for 3 bedders.

they will need it if they want to move 300 units.


Would anyone happen to know if the ballot is happening today or postponed?
Just curious about the actual prices. :)

hanafi_d2000
16-01-14, 13:18
yeah. this thread is too quiet for a soon to preview project. anyone who is going for the ballot please update us. :)

i think its possible that there is still a further discount off the FROM 1.28m price for 3 bedders.

they will need it if they want to move 300 units.

I agree...more needs to be done for those sitting at the fences

siupak
16-01-14, 18:16
Would anyone happen to know if the ballot is happening today or postponed?
Just curious about the actual prices. :)

It is on 19th now.

bargain hunter
16-01-14, 18:44
so strange to VVIP on a sunday.


It is on 19th now.

kane
16-01-14, 18:58
2 more days to do more pre-marketing and get some more cheques. heh.

el loco
16-01-14, 20:03
The Panorama @ Ang Mo Kio
698 Units
1-5 Bedroom
2BR fr $895K
2+S fr $1265psf
3BR fr $1.28mil
3+S fr $1.45mil

Sent by my agent...

siupak
18-01-14, 11:58
It is on 19th now.

The agent just told me an additional 3% early bird discount for balloting buyers!

henryhk
18-01-14, 15:30
Any updates of the sale? Photos?

bargain hunter
18-01-14, 17:44
its tomorrow. hope for some updates by forumers. :)


Any updates of the sale? Photos?

Noexit
19-01-14, 08:45
How sales any update ?

rk
19-01-14, 09:33
How sales any update ?

Really so lukewarm?

bargain hunter
19-01-14, 09:45
agents busy closing deals, buyers busy buying so no update?

sunboy77
19-01-14, 10:15
Heard results so-so nia.

Maybe that's why Wheelock suddenly come out with 3% extra discount just 2 days before sales start.

azeoprop
19-01-14, 10:17
Its not that cheap compared to sky vue and thomson 3. Mild sales figures will be expected. :2cents:

NO_7
19-01-14, 12:14
Current situation is about quantum and nothing else.
Look at Hillford, anything low will be snap up dun care its 60LH.

sunboy77
19-01-14, 13:13
Current situation is about quantum and nothing else.
Look at Hillford, anything low will be snap up dun care its 60LH.

Haha ya.
Dunno whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.

Khng8
19-01-14, 14:29
Is today the first day of sales?
Any update on take up rate?

sunboy77
19-01-14, 16:30
Latest heard:

50+/- units sold. That makes it worse than Trilinq?

Good luck to those who bought... :doh:

sunboy77
19-01-14, 16:32
Maybe Wheelock choot pattern like every developer and say "we sold 90% of the units launched!" :D

RCT
19-01-14, 16:50
Maybe Wheelock choot pattern like every developer and say "we sold 90% of the units launched!" :D

I think they will give a figure higher than 60%.. 90% a bit too high....... Hahaha

Eh
19-01-14, 16:58
My friend went. Developer released mainly low floors and discounts are for those units. I heard Pool facing not released.

RCT
19-01-14, 17:08
My friend went. Developer released mainly low floors and discounts are for those units. I heard Pool facing not released.

That is a good one....... Those 50+ buyers' actually bought all the lousy units in the project...:doh:

teddybear
19-01-14, 17:35
They didn't introduce all super MM units mah, like Hillford 2bedrooms 495 sqft, anything <$1m sure can move!

Ops! Forgot they didn't apply for "retirement homes" status with URA/MND just like Hillford, so cannot build average size <70 sqm! :doh:



Latest heard:

50+/- units sold. That makes it worse than Trilinq?

Good luck to those who bought... :doh:

august
19-01-14, 18:06
They didn't introduce all super MM units mah, like Hillford 2bedrooms 495 sqft, anything <$1m sure can move!

Ops! Forgot they didn't apply for "retirement homes" status with URA/MND just like Hillford, so cannot build average size <70 sqm! :doh:

i consider panorama unit sizes as near MMs. Hillford is just extreme.

bargain hunter
19-01-14, 19:31
50 is not too bad considering its 1 day and not 1 weekend. most developers sell from thurs or fri through sun then sell 100 units.



Latest heard:

50+/- units sold. That makes it worse than Trilinq?

Good luck to those who bought... :doh:

RCT
19-01-14, 19:33
The agent just told me an additional 3% early bird discount for balloting buyers!

Have balloting?

sunboy77
19-01-14, 21:01
50 is not too bad considering its 1 day and not 1 weekend. most developers sell from thurs or fri through sun then sell 100 units.

My opinion otherwise.
I don't think will cross 100 even in one week. Remember, activity-wise, it's not one day that they have been selling Pano. It's one entire month.

sunboy77
19-01-14, 21:04
Have balloting?

As long as there is more than one buyer buying at the launch phase, balloting will be conducted.

star
19-01-14, 21:42
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/money/story/half-the-120-units-panorama-sold-first-day-20140119

amk
19-01-14, 21:46
50 is not too bad considering its 1 day and not 1 weekend. most developers sell from thurs or fri through sun then sell 100 units.

50 is quite bad already lah. Advertise for so long already. Every day see them in raffles place.
Can see the sign already. Check submission supposed to be by 12 , then extend to 16 Jan; then sales supposed to start Thursday , delayed until 19. "indicated price" has to be reduced from 1400 psf to 1280 psf just to get the "below 1300" mark, and the most desperate one, right one day before sales, tell every one "3% early bird discount". ( but since you dun know wha the price is, whatever % discount is meaningless isn't it )

bargain hunter
19-01-14, 22:17
ok, so the final number is 60 for today. 60 of the worst units released, not too bad right? :ashamed1:

kane
19-01-14, 22:51
60units only?? Looks to be joining the SH gang.

sunboy77
19-01-14, 23:34
http://www.straitstimes.com/breaking-news/money/story/half-the-120-units-panorama-sold-first-day-20140119
Hahaha see what I mean? "Half of the released units sold"???
Get real la. Buyers are not goondoos. Might as well say "fully sold all 60 units released today"...

RCT
20-01-14, 00:00
Hahaha see what I mean? "Half of the released units sold"???
Get real la. Buyers are not goondoos. Might as well say "fully sold all 60 units released today"...

60 out of 698... should be 8.5% sold

azeoprop
20-01-14, 07:19
This project is a panoramic flop. :doh:

lionhill
20-01-14, 08:08
I do not think there is much to laugh at a particular project, instead, it reflects that the overall sky high price is far too much for people's pocket.

The fact that hillford is sold in one day does not mean that hillford is a better buy than panorama. It only shows that people are still keen on properties but the depth of their pockets can only afford hillford.

MM is the king, quantum is the king. but how far this king can go against the basic?

smellyfish
20-01-14, 09:16
what can move this project?
ave. 1100 psf for the 3 bdrooms?

RCT
20-01-14, 10:59
what can move this project?
ave. 1100 psf for the 3 bdrooms?

It will be hard to move this project.. As now the developer have little choice since they have launched at a price which is already below expected price. If they reduced the price, those who already bought will be angry..

Potential buyer will hesitate by the drop as it show weakness in the market. I think now is to see another launch. If we have better result in the new launch, maybe this project will move... If we have a simpler result like this launch, then developer may have to get ready to hold their unit. Anyway still a long way to TOP...

smellyfish
20-01-14, 11:25
everything has a price i suppose. the project does have good views to the reservior that is generally unblocked and quite safe from future high rise development.

there is st nics, ang mo kio primary, and mayflower pri within 1 km so that's quite decent.

the layout are quite squarish and without bay windows, planters or internal bomb shelter, although as pointed out, living area is a bit small and balcony quite big.

i think the bigger units can be a decent place for a local family with school going kids.

fireflyy
20-01-14, 11:29
everything has a price i suppose. the project does have good views to the reservior that is generally unblocked and quite safe from future high rise development.
Yes, good unblock reservoir view, but unfortunately these units are west facing. :(

bargain hunter
20-01-14, 11:29
they can still cut the price of the better units to the same price as the not so good units. :cheers1:


It will be hard to move this project.. As now the developer have little choice since they have launched at a price which is already below expected price. If they reduced the price, those who already bought will be angry..

Potential buyer will hesitate by the drop as it show weakness in the market. I think now is to see another launch. If we have better result in the new launch, maybe this project will move... If we have a simpler result like this launch, then developer may have to get ready to hold their unit. Anyway still a long way to TOP...

amk
20-01-14, 14:56
well, wheelock, you can learn from your HK experience: try absorbing ABSD, see if it moves.

mantrix
21-01-14, 09:34
while it's not RCR, Ang Mo Kio is next to Bishan (which is RCR partially) and relatively close to town. If the MRT is already built along with the new NS expressway then 1300-1400 psf may be fair value (at TOP) but not now since nothing tangible can be seen

Nas
21-01-14, 11:11
I think the wow factor is missing from this project. The moment i step into the showrooms, everything feel very so-so. Plus the lack of hype, no dizzy feeling like Skyvue. Actually pricewise is not that bad. Not fantastic, but not crazy. But gone liao, once smelly name, forever smelly name, like Sky habitat.

matrix0405
21-01-14, 11:17
I think the wow factor is missing from this project. The moment i step into the showrooms, everything feel very so-so. Plus the lack of hype, no dizzy feeling like Skyvue. Actually pricewise is not that bad. Not fantastic, but not crazy. But gone liao, once smelly name, forever smelly name, like Sky habitat.

Agree. The launch week is impt, if cannot fly + now ST says lukewarm response, making it lose even more momentum.

focus
21-01-14, 13:07
while it's not RCR, Ang Mo Kio is next to Bishan (which is RCR partially) and relatively close to town. If the MRT is already built along with the new NS expressway then 1300-1400 psf may be fair value (at TOP) but not now since nothing tangible can be seen

Think they sell at $1000-1100 psf will have buyers.
Who want to buy at $1300-1400psf and when MRT comes, u still sell at $1300-1400..

Noexit
21-01-14, 13:28
Think they sell at $1000-1100 psf will have buyers.
Who want to buy at $1300-1400psf and when MRT comes, u still sell at $1300-1400..

i think if they selling 1000 - 1100 will be fully sold project liao . that is impossible.:tongue3:

lionhill
21-01-14, 13:35
Think they sell at $1000-1100 psf will have buyers.
Who want to buy at $1300-1400psf and when MRT comes, u still sell at $1300-1400..
so bad meh? 10 years old condo there also sold at S$1100+.

If I were Wheellock, I would rather hold it to pay the penalty instead of selling it so cheap.

kane
21-01-14, 13:37
i think if they willing to drop it to $1200, it will move very quickly.

RCT
21-01-14, 14:51
so bad meh? 10 years old condo there also sold at S$1100+.

If I were Wheellock, I would rather hold it to pay the penalty instead of selling it so cheap.

Which condo ard area? I thought TOP condo normally cost more than launch? If I can get one already TOP at 1100, why buy one that is not TOP at a higher price?

lionhill
21-01-14, 15:38
Which condo ard area? I thought TOP condo normally cost more than launch? If I can get one already TOP at 1100, why buy one that is not TOP at a higher price?
brother, TOP and around "~10 years old" are different.

sunboy77
21-01-14, 16:16
Wheelock just increased the prices...

RCT
21-01-14, 17:26
brother, TOP and around "~10 years old" are different.

Ya ya... But normally new condo is priced below existing condo nearby? At least in term of quantum.. Am I wrong about this?

RCT
21-01-14, 17:28
Wheelock just increased the prices...

U can price anything u like.. The question is have people buy a not.. I also can go ebay and sell my water bottle for 10 million..

bargain hunter
21-01-14, 18:35
how many sold liao?


Wheelock just increased the prices...

fireflyy
23-01-14, 14:15
how many sold liao?

I guess it should still be about the 60 mark?

sherrie
25-01-14, 10:18
Wonder why they would want to increase prices in the face of slow sales?

bargain hunter
25-01-14, 16:00
i believe they are just selling better facing units which had higher prices originally anyway.




Wonder why they would want to increase prices in the face of slow sales?

lionhill
27-01-14, 06:07
i believe they are just selling better facing units which had higher prices originally anyway.
even for the bad facing units, the more they sell at S$1100, the more they lose.

bargain hunter
27-01-14, 09:32
so how many sold?

really nobody visited in the past weekend?

ecimbew
24-02-14, 05:50
even for the bad facing units, the more they sell at S$1100, the more they lose.

Sengkang longkang selling close to their psf.

Kenshinto80
24-02-14, 06:31
Sengkang longkang selling close to their psf.
Haha, Seng Kang Long Kang worse facing units going at 950psf....not 1100psf. I recall Centro going for 1200psf many years back and many self professed property guru and expert forumers shouting price tag too exorbitant and laughing at the fools who sign the OTP. Right now, the market has spoken.

RCT
24-02-14, 07:11
Haha, Seng Kang Long Kang worse facing units going at 950psf....not 1100psf. I recall Centro going for 1200psf many years back and many self professed property guru and expert forumers shouting price tag too exorbitant and laughing at the fools who sign the OTP. Right now, the market has spoken.

You should understand that the market is different now... We are in a different phase of the cycle....

Kenshinto80
24-02-14, 08:26
You should understand that the market is different now... We are in a different phase of the cycle....
Do help share and elaborate. Which cycle are we in now? Quite interested to know whether property prices going to crash like in the last Global Finanical Crisis (GFC).

When Centro launched during the midst of the GFC, which phase was it? 1150psf set price when everywhere going for 800++psf in surrounding areas then.

august
24-02-14, 11:24
Do help share and elaborate. Which cycle are we in now? Quite interested to know whether property prices going to crash like in the last Global Finanical Crisis (GFC).

When Centro launched during the midst of the GFC, which phase was it? 1150psf set price when everywhere going for 800++psf in surrounding areas then.

My 2 cents. We are in, or heading into, the cycle where prices decline marginally or stay flat with nil capital gains, provided there is no external shock as the later may precipitate a big correction. :o

agentg
26-02-14, 14:52
Wheelock write down $110 millions for provision to land purchase here. Will it translate to cheaper price for the remaining units?

sherrie
19-04-14, 22:14
Passed by today and saw that the showflat is closed and it looks like it will be torn down. I'm just starting to know more about property stuff.. When the showflat is torn down, does it mean it will be moved elsewhere?

osiris
06-05-14, 13:53
Wheelock write down $110 millions for provision to land purchase here. Will it translate to cheaper price for the remaining units?

received sms from agent. price drop from about 8%

1br from 565k
2br 820k
2+s 905k
3br 1.175mil

then price quoted from somewhere in this thread

The Panorama @ Ang Mo Kio
698 Units
1-5 Bedroom
2BR fr $895K
2+S fr $1265psf
3BR fr $1.28mil
3+S fr $1.45mil

check with your agent

just curious, those bought during vvip how? lppl?
not vested

mantrix
06-05-14, 14:01
same for those who bought sky habitat at first launch

akow
06-05-14, 14:50
Passed by today and saw that the showflat is closed and it looks like it will be torn down. I'm just starting to know more about property stuff.. When the showflat is torn down, does it mean it will be moved elsewhere?

From latest URA E-service on "PRICES OF PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL UNITS SOLD BY DEVELOPERS", number of unit sold to date is 57, out of total units of project 698.
So it's 8% selling rate.
Wow, so low.

Esso99
06-05-14, 19:24
I think the lesson learnt from the slashing of prices is that we should not rush in to buy at condo previews in this day and age. The trillinq, panorama, santorini etc and even some popular condos might cut their prices dramatically to move units,

In fact for urban vista, latest transactions lodged with URA show some 800 sq feet unit sold for 1000 psf only...

kane
06-05-14, 22:44
Not bad leh. St Nicks next door and $1.2m for 3 bed.

princess_morbucks
07-05-14, 09:35
received sms from agent. price drop from about 8%

1br from 565k
2br 820k
2+s 905k
3br 1.175mil

then price quoted from somewhere in this thread

The Panorama @ Ang Mo Kio
698 Units
1-5 Bedroom
2BR fr $895K
2+S fr $1265psf
3BR fr $1.28mil
3+S fr $1.45mil

check with your agent

just curious, those bought during vvip how? lppl?
not vested

Yes, saw the same new prices on this agent's FB page :

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=759913704030506


THE PANORAMA By Wheelock Properties (Singapore) Limited

SUPERB NEW PRICING

1-brm : from $565k !

2-brm : from $820k !

2+Study : from $905k !

3-brm : from $1.175m !

Targeted Booking Date : 11 May 2014 (Sun)

matrix0405
07-05-14, 09:41
I think the lesson learnt from the slashing of prices is that we should not rush in to buy at condo previews in this day and age. The trillinq, panorama, santorini etc and even some popular condos might cut their prices dramatically to move units,

In fact for urban vista, latest transactions lodged with URA show some 800 sq feet unit sold for 1000 psf only...

Well said. Para 1st launch was $1400 psf. Relaunched is $1300 psf. Can fight with Commonwealth Tower? Sandwiched by 2 schools and narrow roads. 3rd launched shd be $1200psf.

Urban Vista is making the Sengkang 'longkang' units sweat.

Amber Woods
07-05-14, 09:43
If the discount is not deed attractive, the relaunch will be a failure too.

I think on a psf basis, the price has to come down to below $1000 psf before people start to jump in. Even than, not sure if they can have a sell out given the mood now.

bargain hunter
07-05-14, 09:47
i have to disagree on this. i think 10% discounts are able to attract some buyers.

Amber Woods
07-05-14, 09:50
i have to disagree on this. i think 10% discounts are able to attract some buyers.

Attracting some buyers is not a problem. You did not read my statement properly.

azeoprop
07-05-14, 11:47
Basically is like absorbing the ABSD. Only attractive to buyers without existing properties.

:2cents:

august
07-05-14, 12:12
The pricing is more reasonable now.

smellyfish
07-05-14, 12:24
price expectations drive behaviour more than price.

in any case, i think the 1800+ sf penthouse is the best in terms of layout. if that is around 2m, i think it is tempting for own stay.

wangwe
07-05-14, 14:34
Business Times, 7 May 2014

Wheelock to cut prices for The Panorama

Agents say prices at re-launch this Sunday could be up to 10% lower than that at initial launch
BY LYNETTE KHOO
[email protected] @LynetteKhooBT

Wheelock Properties's condominium project in Ang Mo Kio, The Panorama, is gearing up for a re-launch this Sunday, with agents saying that new prices could be as much as 10 per cent lower than those at the initial launch.

The re-pricing comes on the heels of earlier price cutting by its rivals to hasten sales amid mounting pressure from upcoming condo launches.

Balloting takes place on Sunday.

A one-bedder at The Panorama could start from $565,000, a two-bedder from $820,000 and a threebedder from $1,175,000, according to marketing agents of the project. These guided prices translate to $1,100-1,310 per square foot (psf), depending on the unit size. One bedroom units at The Panorama are 431-474 square feet, two bedroom units are 678-700 sq ft and three bedroom units are in the 990-1,066 sq ft range.

Bigger units at The Panorama - four-bedders, five-bedders and penthouses - do not come under this "promotion" and are made available only on request from buyers.

The Panorama showflat re-opens today with a new one-bedroom show unit after a seven-week hiatus. Poor turnouts at the showflat after the first couple of weeks prompted the developer to temporarily close the showflat in mid-March for a revamp - barely three months from its January launch.

Some 58 units of the 698-unit project were moved in January at prices ranging from $1,234 psf to $1,591 psf, with a median price of $1,343 psf.

Another four units were sold subsequently, with the last median
price at $1,457 psf in March.

Also in District 20, CapitaLand relaunched its Bishan project, Sky Habitat, two weeks ago at lower prices of between $1,276 and $1,590 psf - around 10-15 per cent below the initial price range when it was launched two years ago. The tactical move apparently worked - more than 100 units have been sold since the relaunch.

CapitaLand is also dangling a 15 per cent discount for a key District 10 project, D'Leedon at Farrer Road, which is due to receive its temporary occupation permit (TOP) by year-end but has about 700 unsold units
remaining. The one-bed plus study units start from $1.3 million, while a three-bedder starts from $2.2 million.

Tepid sales at The Panorama have prompted Wheelock to make a $110 million provision for the project, which pushed the group deeper in the red with a loss of $91.3 million for its fiscal fourth quarter ended Dec 31, 2013, compared with a $30.8 million loss a year ago. For the full year, however, Wheelock posted a profit of $40 million, down nearly 37 per cent from the previous year.

amk
12-05-14, 11:09
this wheelock is amazing.
want to cut price, just cut and push lah.
no, it doesn't really cut anything. It now just gives yet another "indicative" price range and ask ppl to submit cheque. want to see how many cheques collected then decide on 23 May how much it really wants to cut.
like that ppl will also react accordingly what. your price is not final, I can still wait some more, or even offer lowball to you.
see how CAPL cuts price: decisive numbers on the spot then and there, immediate ballot over weekend.

4wheels
12-05-14, 11:16
this wheelock is amazing.
want to cut price, just cut and push lah.
no, it doesn't really cut anything. It now just gives yet another "indicative" price range and ask ppl to submit cheque. want to see how many cheques collected then decide on 23 May how much it really wants to cut.
like that ppl will also react accordingly what. your price is not final, I can still wait some more, or even offer lowball to you.
see how CAPL cuts price: decisive numbers on the spot then and there, immediate ballot over weekend.

wow! like that can!

they may have bidded the land at too high cost, and not willing to cut price.

johnoon
12-05-14, 12:01
According to the info I received the new pricing are :

1-brm : from $565k !
2-brm : from $820k !
2+Study : from $905k !
3-brm : from $1.175m !

Thanks :)

kane
12-05-14, 13:02
What a long wait till the official launch on the 23rd. Interest can wane if the buyers have to wait so long.

2824
19-05-14, 19:56
Looks like they are rusty having not launch a project for some time. Think must learn from CDL bah

azeoprop
19-05-14, 22:02
Most probably will be another flop and another write down will be needed. :D:p:rolleyes:

kane
20-05-14, 00:21
Most probably will be another flop and another write down will be needed. :D:p:rolleyes:

depends on how "sincere" their price cuts are. heh.

osiris
23-05-14, 22:57
Curious

3+Study

stack 32 @ 1109sqft is identical to
stack 8 & 18 @ 1130sqft

except you don't pay for 21 sqft of AC ledge.

In the first place why is 1 need other 1 dont?????

dleedoner
24-05-14, 07:16
Units are moving... nearly 90 units sold in 1 day after relaunch.

Price asking is realistic...

leesg123
24-05-14, 09:10
So previous buyers bang wall??

august
24-05-14, 10:33
Units are moving... nearly 90 units sold in 1 day after relaunch.

Price asking is realistic...

those patiently waiting to buy new launch is now being rewarded with this small window of opportunity.

edwinleeap
24-05-14, 10:43
those patiently waiting to buy new launch is now being rewarded with this small window of opportunity.

If prices do fall overall another 10%, what will happen? Say government relaxes either TDSR or ABSD, will buyers come in again? What if buyers do come in? Can we be sure we can get the units we targeted earlier?

johnoon
24-05-14, 11:25
http://newlaunch-sgcondo.com/the-panorama/

Come here to look at prices for The Panorama for 23 May 2014.
:D:D

The-Panorama-Floor-Plan.pdf
Click to view floor plan

The Panorama – 23 May Price Stack 23 (1BR) & 24 (1BR)
Click to view

The Panorama – 23 May Price Stack 13 (2BR) & 21(2+S)
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The Panorama – 23 May Price Stack 14 (3BR) & 22 (3BR)
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