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    Low floor units found noise lower mainly because the trees shielded away some noise whereas those mid floors just above top of trees are the noisiest. As noise travel further, the signal strength dettenuates & hence noise level will be lower as you go higher. The common saying about noise increase as you go higher is a misconception as though noise don't follow physics theory?

    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    I stay in a landed and it is really quiet. Noise is a radial source and as you move from 0deg (ground level) and move to 30deg. you should be able to hear an increase in noise level as there are no obstruction in front of you. That is why I say the NIN, the new condo along upper serangoon road helps to shield off the traffic noise towards the happier residents staying in the landed properties at sennett estate. Residents at NIN and W28 with units facing the roads will be unhappy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    Sound propagates in a radial manner. You may not hear much on the ground but can increase in level as you go higher.
    When I was looking for a condo, I had been to one along PIE. All went well and I really liked the unit... until I asked for the door to the balcony to be opened. This was on a high floor, and things can get really noisy.

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    I am talking about a short finite distance of 50-150m from the source. Not 500m and more from the source. It is confirmed by jinxminx99 experience.
    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Low floor units found noise lower mainly because the trees shielded away some noise whereas those mid floors just above top of trees are the noisiest. As noise travel further, the signal strength dettenuates & hence noise level will be lower as you go higher. The common saying about noise increase as you go higher is a misconception as though noise don't follow physics theory?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Ther is no such thing as noise increase as you go higher lah, that go against basic physics theory!
    It depends on the temperate.
    In buildings nowadays, usually the higher floors are warmer than the lower floors. The air molecules are more active when temperate is higher. Therefore, sound travels faster when temperature is higher.

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    Regardless of 10m or 20m, as long as there is no obstruction, noise heard at 20m will always be lower than 10m. That is basic physics theory. All those so-called experience are not scientific proof. There was a study conducted in HK that already confirmed that noise increase as you go higher is a myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    I am talking about a short finite distance of 50-150m from the source. Not 500m and more from the source. It is confirmed by jinxminx99 experience.

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    That is just plainly trying to find a reason to explain a myth. Please see HK's study on dispelling this myth.

    Quote Originally Posted by evergreen
    It depends on the temperate.
    In buildings nowadays, usually the higher floors are warmer than the lower floors. The air molecules are more active when temperate is higher. Therefore, sound travels faster when temperature is higher.

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    Care to share the pricing and psf for their 1 and 2 bedroom units? FEO website don't publish the price list anymore...

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    Interesting study. Summary for the benefits of all here:

    Existing studies show traffic-generated PM2.5/NO2 are readily inhalable and can penetrate deep into the cardiovascular and respiratory system and cause ill health. Their physical and chemical properties have a strong association with most types of respiratory illness and even mortality.

    Investigation of the vertical distribution profile of traffic-generated fine particulate matter/NO2 in the residential buildings of urban area shows that:

    Generally, traffic-generated PM2.5 concentrations measured showed that the daily mean outdoor PM2.5 mass/number concentration of a building was highest at its mid floors (6-9th floors) when compared to those measured at low and high floors of the building. The low floor of the building had the second highest mass/number concentration whilst its high floor had the least mass/number concentration level.

    The shape of the weekly mean indoor and outdoor vertical distribution profile of NO2 concentration in a building resembled that of a ‘bell curve’ with its abscissa in the vertical direction. Generally, the weekly mean indoor and outdoor peak concentration of NO2 generally occurred just above the tree tops i.e. about 2 - 3 storeys. Residents living at these floors could be exposed to a higher concentration of traffic- generated NO2. Statistical results showed there was a fairly good positive correlation between NO2 concentration and PM2.5 number concentration at the floor where NO2 concentration was measured the highest. The results indicate NO2 can be used as a surrogate indicator for traffic-generated PM2.5 mass/number concentration. The I/O ratio of NO2 concentration in a building was less than unity. The results indicated the transport of NO2 was from outdoors to indoors rather than from internal sources. The main outdoor source of NO2 is from the nearby traffic.

    Trees help to intercept traffic-generated PM2.5/NO2 or modify the airflow patterns flowing towards the building resulting in highest concentration of PM2.5/NO2 to occur just above the tree tops i.e. about 1 - 3 storeys above the tree tops.

    It was found that in a slab block (a long block with many units) design, the mass/number concentration of PM2.5/NO2 concentration was much higher than that of the point block (a squarish block typically with 4 units) at the corresponding floors. Comparatively, a point block configuration is much better than that of a slab block in terms of potential respiratory health risk problems.


    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    There was an award winning PhD study in NUS recently on migration of vehicular exhaust into houses along expressways like PIE, AYE and CTE. Stay away from such houses after seeing the results.

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    Haa haa...this report will make Miltonia residences a starbuy...no traffic, only golf course and reservoirs with fresh clean air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyenergix
    There is a persistent greyish haze over Singapore if you take a boat ride far out into the sea and view at Singapore island.
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    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    Haa haa...this report will make Miltonia residences a starbuy...no traffic, only golf course and reservoirs with fresh clean air.
    That is true. I'm living next to it now. It is serene.
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    But got the big satellite dish, even worse! People don't know how much more scary that radiation is compared to the exhaust pollution!

    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    Haa haa...this report will make Miltonia residences a starbuy...no traffic, only golf course and reservoirs with fresh clean air.

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    Quote Originally Posted by evergreen
    It depends on the temperate.
    In buildings nowadays, usually the higher floors are warmer than the lower floors. The air molecules are more active when temperate is higher. Therefore, sound travels faster when temperature is higher.
    First of all, why are higher floors warmer? What logic is this?

    Even if it is warmer and hence sound travels faster, what has it got to do with its amplitude? Why should it be louder?

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    The report also indicates lower temperature and higher wind speed at higher floor. Only blocks less than 30 m from expressways were selected. Most of the blocks in this study are 20 m away. They are also naturally ventilated - not air-condition. The point blocks refer to buildings of 4 units per floor configuration and are at least 20-storey, 2.8 m ceiling height.

    This study is interesting. It concludes one thing: get higher floors. With Singapore's traffic condition, it doesn't matter if you stay near expressway or a major road. To be kiasu, place tall plants with lots of leaves around your balcony.

    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Interesting study. Summary for the benefits of all here:

    Existing studies show traffic-generated PM2.5/NO2 are readily inhalable and can penetrate deep into the cardiovascular and respiratory system and cause ill health. Their physical and chemical properties have a strong association with most types of respiratory illness and even mortality.

    Investigation of the vertical distribution profile of traffic-generated fine particulate matter/NO2 in the residential buildings of urban area shows that:

    Generally, traffic-generated PM2.5 concentrations measured showed that the daily mean outdoor PM2.5 mass/number concentration of a building was highest at its mid floors (6-9th floors) when compared to those measured at low and high floors of the building. The low floor of the building had the second highest mass/number concentration whilst its high floor had the least mass/number concentration level.

    The shape of the weekly mean indoor and outdoor vertical distribution profile of NO2 concentration in a building resembled that of a ‘bell curve’ with its abscissa in the vertical direction. Generally, the weekly mean indoor and outdoor peak concentration of NO2 generally occurred just above the tree tops i.e. about 2 - 3 storeys. Residents living at these floors could be exposed to a higher concentration of traffic- generated NO2. Statistical results showed there was a fairly good positive correlation between NO2 concentration and PM2.5 number concentration at the floor where NO2 concentration was measured the highest. The results indicate NO2 can be used as a surrogate indicator for traffic-generated PM2.5 mass/number concentration. The I/O ratio of NO2 concentration in a building was less than unity. The results indicated the transport of NO2 was from outdoors to indoors rather than from internal sources. The main outdoor source of NO2 is from the nearby traffic.

    Trees help to intercept traffic-generated PM2.5/NO2 or modify the airflow patterns flowing towards the building resulting in highest concentration of PM2.5/NO2 to occur just above the tree tops i.e. about 1 - 3 storeys above the tree tops.

    It was found that in a slab block (a long block with many units) design, the mass/number concentration of PM2.5/NO2 concentration was much higher than that of the point block (a squarish block typically with 4 units) at the corresponding floors. Comparatively, a point block configuration is much better than that of a slab block in terms of potential respiratory health risk problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    That is just plainly trying to find a reason to explain a myth. Please see HK's study on dispelling this myth.
    Teddybear, it's ok. I believe you. I'm a physics grad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Ther is no such thing as noise increase as you go higher lah, that go against basic physics theory!
    erm personal experience, i have been to costa del sol level 23 and the noise from the expressway is really loud at times. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by cornycow
    erm personal experience, i have been to costa del sol level 23 and the noise from the expressway is really loud at times. haha
    Sound travels through a medium like air, water, steel, concrete, etc. Without a medium, like in a vacuum, sound cannot travel. The intensity depends on the density of the medium. Air is less dense than water and steel, hence, it travels slower. Density of air is lesser when you are on higher ground compared to at ground level. Sound can also be reflected - in a densely populated country, sound bounds off surfaces quicker than less dense areas. So sound will still reach you but it's a matter of when and how loud.

    So if you don't want sound to reach you, create a vacuum. Seal your windows and doors. Pump out air from your sealed room. Put on an oxygen mask. Breathe

    http://www.explainthatstuff.com/sound.html
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    Back to topic, will the relatively low asking psf of Eu (given its proximity to MRT) affect the Telok Kurau prices (which in turn may affect those of Marine Parade)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mantrix
    Back to topic, will the relatively low asking psf of Eu (given its proximity to MRT) affect the Telok Kurau prices (which in turn may affect those of Marine Parade)?
    Telok Kurau is on the other side of PIE. The road towards the new downtown line from Telok Kurau is not exactly covered or near. Moreover, Telok Kuaru has the East West line.
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    FAR East Organization group is said to have sold over 150 units at euHabitat, a 99-year leasehold private residential project at Jalan Eunos.

    It began previewing the five-storey project last week and is understood to have released over 200 of the project's total 748 units so far. The development includes 51 four-bedroom townhouses, 233 one- and two-bedroom Soho-styled units, and 160 one-bedroom suites. The remaining units are one to four-bedroom apartments.
    The suites are in separate towers from the apartments.
    The average prices in the development range from about $800 psf to slightly over $1,000 psf - depending on the housing form.
    Far East is developing euHabitat on a site next to Pan Island Expressway clinched by the group's units Tuas Technology Park and OPH Marymount at a state tender in September last year, for $414.57 per square foot per plot ratio (psf ppr). They paid 26.5 per cent more than the next highest offer of $327.76 psf ppr. The tender drew five bids.

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    Driving home to EU next time will be a slow process when there are 3 'L' plates ahead!

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    From 800psf - 1000psf? I must say the price is quite reasonable. Nowadays Far East seems to be the most reasonably priced

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    If level 23 is loud, you should try level 8 and you will get even louder noise + most concentrated PM2.5 and NO2 (according to the study) which is real bad for your health!

    Quote Originally Posted by cornycow
    erm personal experience, i have been to costa del sol level 23 and the noise from the expressway is really loud at times. haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    If level 23 is loud, you should try level 8 and you will get even louder noise + most concentrated PM2.5 and NO2 (according to the study) which is real bad for your health!
    Eu habitat is in a sunken land.. so guess all the heavy smoke and particles will just go into this lower land..more like valley of death( being dramatic)..


    But on the other hand what choice anyone has in SG?..its either road noise and pollution.. or mrt noise..or plane or satellite radiation..
    only good thing is no nuclear reactor yet

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    Extract from : sgproptalk

    Tuesday, August 2, 2011

    New projects sales status: euHabitat, Seastrand, Woddhaven etc



    http://sgproptalk.blogspot.com/2011/...euhabitat.html

    "euHabitat
    Far East Organization is said to have sold over 150 units at euHabitat, a 99-year leasehold private residential project at Jalan Eunos.


    It began previewing the five-storey project last week and is understood to have released over 200 of the project’s total 748 units so far. The development includes 51 four-bedroom townhouses, 223 one- and two-bedroom Soho-styled units, and 160 one-bedroom suites. The remaining units are one to four-bedroom apartments.

    The suites are in separate towers from the apartments.

    The average prices in the development range from about $800psf to slightly over $1,000psf – depending on the housing form.

    Far East is developing euHabitat on a site next to Pan Island Expressway clinched by the group’s units Tuas Technology park and OPH Marymount at a state tender in September last year, for $414.57psf ppr. They paid 26.55 more than the next highest offer of $327.76psf ppr. The tender drew five bids."

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    If level 23 is loud, you should try level 8 and you will get even louder noise + most concentrated PM2.5 and NO2 (according to the study) which is real bad for your health!
    I agree with you on this, with the exception of something to shield the noise, the lower you are, the louder the traffic noise, noise is energy and the further away from the source, the weaker the energy waves. Simple physics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockinsg
    Eu habitat is in a sunken land.. so guess all the heavy smoke and particles will just go into this lower land..more like valley of death( being dramatic)..


    But on the other hand what choice anyone has in SG?..its either road noise and pollution.. or mrt noise..or plane or satellite radiation..
    only good thing is no nuclear reactor yet
    Try Boathouse and H2O. No road noise and pollution, no MRT noise, no plane or satellite raidation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    Try Boathouse and H2O. No road noise and pollution, no MRT noise, no plane or satellite raidation.
    Now that is what I call perfect homes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by iwantgizmos
    Yea. I was tempted too. But the 1 bedder was sold out faster than I expected.
    Huh..Sold out?

    Still have those units not launch yet, can register your interest.

    Was talking with the agent, the project selling quite well. Most units launched on preview nearly sold out. The ones not moving so much are the SOHO units.

    Happy house hunting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    Try Boathouse and H2O. No road noise and pollution, no MRT noise, no plane or satellite raidation.
    Boathouse is near paya lebar airport runway, there are some noise fr planes taking off n landing.

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