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    Bond and Property are illiquid. So go for stocks , forummer shld not be afraid of investing in stocks. Rule, avoid S-chip and have a balance portfolio,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelle
    Bond and Property are illiquid. So go for stocks , forummer shld not be afraid of investing in stocks. Rule, avoid S-chip and have a balance portfolio,
    This is the first time I heard of bond is illiquid.

    There are many type of bonds in the market, and some are well listed in various major exchanges including Singapore, NY and DAX, so please don't make a sweeping statement as such.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    This is the first time I heard of bond is illiquid.

    There are many type of bonds in the market, and some are well listed in various major exchanges including Singapore, NY and DAX, so please don't make a sweeping statement as such.
    of course, if you refer to bond listed in US but then the administrative and takes a bit of knowledge for an average investor to get in. as u mentioned before, certain, requires minimum entry capital and blah blah...

    who knows it's another minibond case where u have to scrutinised the details within 1000pages of proposal ...and gosh u have to sit down with the banker (who knows nothing more) to sell u the bond which they wrapped around with rubbish collaterals.

    if u buy local bond there u can see liquidity of the bid spread in Sgx on daily market

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    Bond is in a huge bubble ... underweight
    I wanted to write something on this topic, but just too tired..
    just got a 3.5hours of massage...
    going for a show tonite....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    I wanted to write something on this topic, but just too tired..
    just got a 3.5hours of massage...
    going for a show tonite....
    Wow, what kind of massage ?
    Last for so long!
    No wonder you feel tired......

    After show, then supper ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    I wanted to write something on this topic, but just too tired..
    just got a 3.5hours of massage...
    going for a show tonite....
    3.5 hrs? Whole body massage 再加强

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekl2ekl2
    Could you explain what is leverage cost of 1.5-1.8%.
    U borrow from the bank at SIBOR plus 1.5-1.8%. Depending on your relation , the spread can be lower.

    If one buys and sells the bond, what is the total cost involved 2.5-3.0%?
    Depends on bid/offer spread. Banks take mkt price plus 0.5 usually. Custodian of the bond, some are charging some are not.

    OUE 4.1 is considered low already. OLAM did a 6.1 not long ago.

    This topic is not for every one. If you have the capacity to get leverage to buy bond, you are wealthy enough to know where to derive yield and where the risks are. Your own judgment here.

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    @lovelle, minibond is not a bond, it is a credit derivative. Bond itself is not a derivative. It is a simple IOU. Even added with some convertible or indexation , it is still by and large a debt. If you worry about it collapses like minibond, you just need to be extra vigilant on the issuer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amk
    @lovelle, minibond is not a bond, it is a credit derivative. Bond itself is not a derivative. It is a simple IOU. Even added with some convertible or indexation , it is still by and large a debt. If you worry about it collapses like minibond, you just need to be extra vigilant on the issuer.
    hi amk

    in the past, nobody knows whether minibond was not a bond. Read the news , many poor souls were told it is safe, capital g'teed and it is a BOND by rm. One will only know that it is not a bond after going thru 1000 pages of fine details or hidden little font of statement that highlight the actual risk..

    i may not know what is the risk of perpetual bond, preference bond, etc bond that were sold in the market but i do knw SGS bond is safe..

    personally, i have capmall corp bond which i have to ballot for it. So it is not easy to buy if u are small fry...

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    That's why MAS now says derivative products can only be sold to sophisticated investors.
    In any case, most bond sizes are big, no retail investor is eligible anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelle
    hi amk

    in the past, nobody knows whether minibond was not a bond. Read the news , many poor souls were told it is safe, capital g'teed and it is a BOND by rm. One will only know that it is not a bond after going thru 1000 pages of fine details or hidden little font of statement that highlight the actual risk..

    i may not know what is the risk of perpetual bond, preference bond, etc bond that were sold in the market but i do knw SGS bond is safe..

    personally, i have capmall corp bond which i have to ballot for it. So it is not easy to buy if u are small fry...
    you can always add to your CapMall Corp bond after IPO in open market... I did just that using my SRS, but not listed under CPF OA
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by PN
    3.5 hrs? Whole body massage 再加强
    It supposed to be a 2 hours session, but my body condition is so bad...so just added with good essential oil...now body ache alr.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    It supposed to be a 2 hours session, but my body condition is so bad...so just added with good essential oil...now body ache alr.
    Hi Laguna, wheres good for massage? me need one!

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    When I started looking into bond, I could not find a lot of information / books on bond, what to look for etc. The only thing I know is bond is related to interest.

    So, I got a bond trader, gave me two hours tution in front of his Bloomberge station and then talked to a few bankers on this. But you must get a banker who is specialised in this field.

    Some considerations are :

    1. issuers - fundamental
    2. collateral, snr or jr secured or non-secured
    3. tenure eg perpetual or fixed tenure
    4. cummulative or not
    5. callable or not
    6. credit grading
    7. issue size
    8. currency
    9. interest rate of that particular currency
    10. past dividend history and profit
    11. cash position.


    BTW, I don't have any straight corporate bond.
    Perhaps, other bond investors can add on to my list.



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    Quote Originally Posted by price
    Hi Laguna, wheres good for massage? me need one!
    I will PM u tomorrow.

    I have been going to massage for at least 20 years, and become picky. I have sacked many of them within 10-20 minutes.

    But for this woman, I must give her the due credit. She can spot where go wrong and use the correct type of stroke and strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    I will PM u tomorrow.

    I have been going to massage for at least 20 years, and become picky. I have sacked many of them within 10-20 minutes.

    But for this woman, I must give her the due credit. She can spot where go wrong and use the correct type of stroke and strength.
    thanks! i been going to 1 around siglap, Javanese type. you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by price
    thanks! i been going to 1 around siglap, Javanese type. you?
    I know this is, Javanese is shiok shiok only...but not for treatment.

    This one is really VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY pain.....I shouted a few rounds and asked her to stop. But u can feel the effect of the pain spot after the massage.

    alamah, off the track again...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    I know this is, Javanese is shiok shiok only...but not for treatment.

    This one is really VERY VERY VERY VERY VERY pain.....I shouted a few rounds and asked her to stop. But u can feel the effect of the pain spot after the massage.

    alamah, off the track again...
    woah u need to start another thread? haha. so urs is the traditional chinese tui na?

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    Quote Originally Posted by price
    woah u need to start another thread? haha. so urs is the traditional chinese tui na?
    pressure points + mainly tui,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Some considerations are :

    1. issuers - fundamental
    2. collateral, snr or jr secured or non-secured
    3. tenure eg perpetual or fixed tenure
    4. cummulative or not
    5. callable or not
    6. credit grading
    7. issue size
    8. currency
    9. interest rate of that particular currency
    10. past dividend history and profit
    11. cash position.

    Perhaps, other bond investors can add on to my list.
    In fact, there are still quite a lot to add. I stop here unless I can get some tution fee.

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