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    Default COV - RIP

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    By Janice Heng

    Cash-over-valuation (COV) figures will no longer be part of the negotiating process for Housing Board resale deals, as buyers and sellers will now have to agree upon a price first before getting an official valuation, National Development Minister Khaw Boon Wan said in Parliament on Monday.

    Previously, sellers usually got valuations first, and then negotiated with buyers over how much more - or less - should be paid. But negotiations should "rightly" be based on recent transaction prices, not the additional cash premium or COV, said Mr Khaw.

    So from 5 pm on Monday, a price must first be agreed upon and the Option to Purchase (OTP) granted, before buyers can request a valuation from the HDB. HDB will no longer give valuations to sellers, although existing OTPs and valuations will still be honoured until their expiry.

    This move will "restore the original intention of valuation, which is to help buyers get a housing loan," said Mr Khaw.

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    finally ... COV to me is just counter productive ..
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    does this mean less cash upfront?
    govt trying to support HDB price?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful View Post
    does this mean less cash upfront?
    govt trying to support HDB price?
    Means u cannot "mark-up" with any base price.

    Example if your neighbour sells 100k, u roughly will try to sell 100k. HDB will not give u a "value" before you TRY TO SELL.

    Currently, ppl base on the "value" HDB gives and always wants to mark-up for profit. So example if your neighbour sells 100k and u want to sell 150k the buy says ok and sign OTP then that request for "valuation" which comes out to be 100k the buyer wants to backout must oblige to OTP rules and lol

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    At least CUV wont't get its day as well

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    Transacted prices on HDB will become the reference now. In today's buyers market, they will rightly hold last done price for negotiation. No more COV haggling. Finally it's gone!

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    if urgent sellers want to dispose,for their top EC. it will reflect in low transactions

    buyers will base on recent transactions to offer.

    soon we see slow spiral downwards.

    all thanks to the urgent sellers, soon to collecting keys for their EC

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    Good news for buyers.

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    For every policy there are always loopholes....

    Option Fee (Up to a maximum of $1,000) = SGD 1, after valuation if buyer cannot pay just let it expiry = SGD 1.

    http://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/B...4SPdfConverter
    Last edited by Arcachon; 10-03-14 at 18:37.

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    i just don't understand, private property no COV/CUV both buyers and sellers still happily transacting isn't it?

    but the question is bank gives loan based on valuation or transacted price?
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Default SGD 1 OTP

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    For every policy there are always loopholes....

    Option Fee (Up to a maximum of $1,000) = SGD 1, after valuation if buyer cannot pay just let it expiry = SGD 1.

    http://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/B...4SPdfConverter

    5. Expiry of Option
        This Option will expire on the Option Expiry. If the Buyer does not exercise this Option in the manner set out below, this Option will be null and void. SGD 1

    7. Non-Exercise of Option
        If the Buyer does not exercise this Option  in the manner  stated in this Option,  and provided the Seller 
    has met the requirement in Clause 3.1 ----
      (a)  the Seller is entitled to retain the Option Fee; and 
      (b)  neither party will have any claim against the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    For every policy there are always loopholes....

    Option Fee (Up to a maximum of $1,000) = SGD 1, after valuation if buyer cannot pay just let it expiry = SGD 1.

    http://services2.hdb.gov.sg/webapp/B...4SPdfConverter
    even better $1.

    I can go offer 10units, let say low ball at 50-100k. deposit $10
    total cost $100

    to test for desperate sellers

    tikam tikam also can kena 1

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    This is the final kill for hdb. Next time bto flat want to make money also hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera View Post
    i just don't understand, private property no COV/CUV both buyers and sellers still happily transacting isn't it?

    but the question is bank gives loan based on valuation or transacted price?
    Private property Bank give valuation near to transacted price.

    HDB valuation was controlled until now. Look like they are still controlling it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71 View Post
    even better $1.

    I can go offer 10units, let say low ball at 50-100k. deposit $10
    total cost $100

    to test for desperate sellers

    tikam tikam also can kena 1
    Question what is low ball at 50-100k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera View Post
    i just don't understand, private property no COV/CUV both buyers and sellers still happily transacting isn't it?

    but the question is bank gives loan based on valuation or transacted price?
    loan is still based on valuation...
    http://www.hdb.gov.sg/fi10/fi10297p....le/Annex_A.pdf

    so in theory, cov/cuv (high or low) will still exist with new rule...
    just that cov/cuv will only be known after OPT signed, and valuation obtained... and perhaps seller will not know the actual cov/cuv, if buyer choose not to disclose?
    Last edited by taggy; 10-03-14 at 18:54.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Private property Bank give valuation near to transacted price.

    HDB valuation was controlled until now. Look like they are still controlling it.
    In a nosediving market, this may help HDB provide buyers with maximum loans possible, by valuing properties closer to their purchase price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by star View Post
    This is the final kill for hdb. Next time bto flat want to make money also hard.
    it will continue. govt genuine helping own stay buyers.

    not helping speculative, for rental yields owners.

    won't be bother by these 'noises'

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    Quote Originally Posted by rook View Post
    In a nosediving market, this may help HDB provide buyers with maximum loans possible, by valuing properties closer to their purchase price.
    Like GLS don't sell loh.

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    http://app.mnd.gov.sg/Newsroom/NewsP...RA1=&RA2=&RA3=

    Minister for National Development Khaw Boon Wan said in Parliament today that efforts to cool the housing market are showing results. He took stock of the progress of housing policies; much has been achieved to stabilise the market and meet various housing needs. As the housing market turns the corner, Minister Khaw said that negotiating the turn will require care. Moving ahead, the Ministry of National Development (MND) will put in place various initiatives to improve longer-term market stability, provide stronger housing support, and make every town a better one.

    I. Improving Market Stability

    2. The Government has introduced a series of cooling measures to ensure that housing price moves in line with our economic fundamentals. Data in recent months suggests that the housing market is turning the corner, but is not yet at the optimal state. MND will continue to monitor the housing market closely. Meanwhile, MND will keep the current cooling measures in place.

    3. To further improve the HDB resale market, HDB will change some processes in the way Singaporeans buy and sell resale flats:

    a) HDB will publish daily prices of resale transactions as soon as they are registered (instead of fortnightly after the resale transactions are approved). This will allow flat buyers and sellers to negotiate based on recent transaction prices and reduce the focus on Cash-Over-Valuation (COV) in negotiation. This will improve the long-term stability of the resale market.

    b) To encourage buyers and sellers to focus on the sum total of flat price, HDB will only accept valuation requests from resale flat buyers (or their appointed salesperson), after the buyers have been granted an Option to Purchase (OTP) by flat sellers. This change will take effect from 5pm, 10 March 2014.

    c) The revised resale procedure is detailed in Annex A. To help buyers and sellers in this transition, HDB will continue to honour OTPs and valuation reports which were granted before the implementation date and have not expired. Under the new rules, buyers who are granted OTP will also have 21 calendar days, instead of 14 calendar days to exercise the OTP, to adjust to the new procedure.

    4. In his speech, Minister Khaw also spoke on Singaporeans investing in overseas properties. He cautioned that there are added risks and complexities due to the differences in legal and regulatory frameworks. To help Singaporeans interested in buying foreign properties make more informed decisions, the Council for Estate Agencies (CEA) will be launching an online guide to provide some general tips on buying foreign properties. In addition, CEA will step up efforts to regulate estate agents marketing foreign properties in Singapore. Members of the public are encouraged to report to CEA any marketing activities by unlicensed foreign estate agents. More details can be found in Annex B.

    II. Providing Stronger Support to All

    5. MND will look into ways to provide stronger support for three groups: the elderly, the low-income and vulnerable, and extended families.

    a) Enhancing Monetisation Options for the Elderly

    Retirement adequacy, and how equity release can help enhance it, is an important issue for an ageing population. MND is reviewing enhancements to existing options, including whether to extend the Enhanced Lease Buyback Scheme (LBS) to larger flat types. Beyond existing monetisation options, MND is also studying reverse mortgage, with a view to formulate a practical scheme. More details on existing monetisation options can be found in Annex C.

    b) Supporting the Low-Income and Vulnerable

    MND is studying ways to better support public rental tenants in progressing to homeownership, and to better provide for the housing needs of the vulnerable groups, including divorcees with children. More details on existing schemes to meet the housing needs of the low-income and vulnerable groups are at Annex D.

    Beyond housing, MND will revise the EPS (Electronic Parking System) parking rates for motorcycles and introduce an Enhanced Season Parking Ticket which will allow motorcyclists to park at all HDB and URA car parks at a flat monthly fee. This will defray the cost for motorcyclists, especially for those who use multiple car parks in a day such as despatch or delivery riders. More details can be found in Annex E.  

    c) Helping Extended Families Live Closer

    MND is studying ways to provide more help to extended families to live together or near one another. This includes building on existing schemes and exploring the need for new schemes. More details on existing schemes and initiatives can be found in Annex F.

    6. Last year, the Ministry engaged Singaporeans through Our Singapore Conversation to discuss pertinent housing issues. MND will be organising another series of Housing Conversations to engage Singaporeans on its various housing policy reviews to ensure that they support the relationships and values that matter to Singaporeans.

    III. Making Every Town a Better Town

    7. MND and HDB will develop new housing areas and upgrade existing estates to make every HDB town a better town. HDB will launch the first BTO project in Tampines North later this year, delivering 1,500 homes, including 50 3Gen flats. HDB also intends to launch the first BTO project in Bidadari sometime next year.

    8. MND and HDB will continue to raise the quality of existing towns to keep up with changing needs, through the following ways:

    a) MND is in the process of selecting three towns under Remaking Our Heartland (ROH) Batch 3, and will announce them in a few months’ time.

    b) MND will roll out more projects under the Home Improvement Programme (HIP) and the Neighbourhood Renewal Programme (NRP). MND will also complete the Lift Upgrading Programme (LUP) for HDB blocks, and ramp up lift installation in Multi-Storey Car Parks (MSCPs).

    c) To make HDB flats more elderly-friendly, MND is reviewing the Enhancements for Active Seniors, or EASE, scheme, to lower the age criterion for direct application and expand the coverage of the items.

    d) MND will also promote greater resident participation in shaping their living environments through initiatives like the “Cool Ideas for Better HDB Living”.

    More details can be found in Annex G.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Like GLS don't sell loh.
    if u can help out the families lolx.

    those have 6mths to dispose, u help to buy lolx.

    those need to downgrade, u help lolx.

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    Negative COVS are going to be the norm in the HDB market for the next 2 years. To remove the stigma of a 'bear' market, perhaps HDB is undertaking this move.

    It is unclear from the release if HDB will continue to release 'valuation' figures for public evaluation or only release transacted price information, going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rook View Post
    Negative COVS are going to be the norm in the HDB market for the next 2 years. To remove the stigma of a 'bear' market, perhaps HDB is undertaking this move.

    It is unclear from the release if HDB will continue to release 'valuation' figures for public evaluation or only release transacted price information, going forward.
    Next Two year? I think this will stay forever. Middle class can forget to become rich class. Previously BTO hdb to EC to gd location private condo. Now bto HDB to no more.

    Delink of hdb from private condo will come as private condo continue to move higher. If cm for private condo is removed delink happen immediate.

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    What should one do if he have 1 HDB and two Private?

    Moving forward, what will SC do?

    1. Buy EC cannot sell HDB high price.
    2. Upgrade HDB, Downgrade HDB got problem.
    3. Buy BTO sell HDB got problem.
    4. Buy private rent HDB got problem.

    What will happen to the supply of rental HDB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by star View Post
    Next Two year? I think this will stay forever. Middle class can forget to become rich class. Previously BTO hdb to EC to gd location private condo. Now bto HDB to no more.

    Delink of hdb from private condo will come as private condo continue to move higher. If cm for private condo is removed delink happen immediate.
    With or w/out CM, I think private condo market will also move downwards for next 2 years...
    .....in some way, the hdb upgraders were fueling the regional condo market...that will reduce going forward.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    What should one do if he have 1 HDB and two Private?

    Moving forward, what will SC do?

    1. Buy EC cannot sell HDB high price.
    2. Upgrade HDB, Downgrade HDB got problem.
    3. Buy BTO sell HDB got problem.
    4. Buy private rent HDB got problem.

    What will happen to the supply of rental HDB?
    In my opinion nothing...if you sell anything, you may not be able to repurchase...consider yourself lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rook View Post
    In my opinion nothing...if you sell anything, you may not be able to repurchase...consider yourself lucky.
    You are right, what will happen to the Property Agent, can only sell new launch?

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    Will this new rule push more 1st timers to buy ec? Can always go for smallest ec for affordability....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    You are right, what will happen to the Property Agent, can only sell new launch?
    Agents are innovative people..the good ones will survive, the newbies may have to find other professions.

    Not even new launches will be stable for next two years...after that, things will find an equilibrium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by taggy View Post
    Will this new rule push more 1st timers to buy ec? Can always go for smallest ec for affordability....
    EC affordability already 'chopped off' by MSR and resale levies...HDB BTO will be the most attractive option for may for next few years...

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