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    More seniors servicing private mortgages

    Figure triples over 6 years to 15,500, but group still forms a minority

    Published on Oct 23, 2014 2:02 AM

    By Janice Heng


    THE number of elderly home owners servicing private mortgage loans has ballooned in the past few years, as more people buy homes in their later years for investment.

    According to data from Credit Bureau Singapore, there were 15,506 Singaporeans and permanent residents aged 65 and above with outstanding mortgage loans from financial institutions in July this year. This is almost triple the July 2008 figure of 5,190.

    These older home owners also make up a growing proportion of all residents holding bank mortgage loans: 3.15 per cent now, up from 1.84 per cent in 2008.

    Retiree mortgage debt has been a cause for concern in countries such as the United States, where 30 per cent of people aged 65 and above had outstanding mortgages back in 2011.

    But while there could be cause for concern, experts are not worried about the situation here, because older borrowers with outstanding mortgage loans still form a minority here.

    At the same time, not everyone with an outstanding private home loan at age 65 or above is in financial difficulty, they said.

    "(The increase) is a cause for concern only if loan holders aged 65 and above face a higher risk of difficulty in servicing their mortgage payment (during) retirement and are 'underwater' on their mortgages," said Singapore Management University economist Phang Sock Yong.

    Instead, some retirees might have taken out mortgage loans for investment properties, which yield rental income, she said.

    Experts also note that cooling measures aimed at limiting the tenure of a private loan will also prevent the numbers from rising much further.

    Elderly home owners with outstanding private mortgages are more likely to own multiple properties, said Professor Deng Yongheng, director of the Institute of Real Estate Studies at the National University of Singapore. "Typically, Housing Board households are what academics and the Government worry about more."

    For HDB home owners, the picture is much better. As of the end of July, 93 per cent of elderly households have fully paid for their flats, the HDB said in response to queries. This is out of the 102,000 households with owners aged 65 and above.

    It is also an improvement from 2008, the last time the HDB's Sample Household Survey was conducted. Then, 72.4 per cent of elderly people had no outstanding mortgage loans.

    The HDB noted that the 7 per cent of elderly households with outstanding loans this year are mainly those who took them up before April 1997. That was when the policy was changed to cap loan tenures so that they do not extend beyond the age of 65.

    "With the tighter age-related mortgage rules, it will be harder to retire with a mortgage debt," said Professor Phang.

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    "With the tighter age-related mortgage rules, it will be harder to retire with a mortgage debt," said Professor Phang.

    With TDSR you can't go into debt also.

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    If everyone can't go into debt, guess what happens?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Debt = Money.

    No Debt = No Money

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Debt = Money.

    No Debt = No Money
    What if No Money and Cannot Create Debt?

    You haven't seen the full wrath of those loaded with cash...
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Those rich will buy overseas..........
    No money created in Singapore, no related jobs created in Singapore, Singapore economy going to go down the drain Ops!
    Is it any wonder why they so concerned about Singaporeans buying properties overseas and have to keeping sounding warning about buying properties overseas?
    Because of all those flip flop in housing policies, it is buying properties in Singapore that got highest risk! Ops, this is hard truth!


    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    What if No Money and Cannot Create Debt?

    You haven't seen the full wrath of those loaded with cash...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Those rich will buy overseas..........
    No money created in Singapore, no related jobs created in Singapore, Singapore economy going to go down the drain Ops!
    Is it any wonder why they so concerned about Singaporeans buying properties overseas and have to keeping sounding warning about buying properties overseas?
    Because of all those flip flop in housing policies, it is buying properties in Singapore that got highest risk! Ops, this is hard truth!
    No debt created means no money created? What happened to services and manufacturing sectors? Only fiscally created money is real?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Little population growth means service sector little growth

    Manufacturing not in good shape ESP with high S$ exchange rate

    Poor economy means people hoard money

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    No debt created means no money created? What happened to services and manufacturing sectors? Only fiscally created money is real?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Little population growth means service sector little growth

    Manufacturing not in good shape ESP with high S$ exchange rate

    Poor economy means people hoard money
    Does no growth mean no money?

    Not in good shape mean no money?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Got money but not into our pocket

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Does no growth mean no money?

    Not in good shape mean no money?

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    Quote Originally Posted by heehee View Post
    Got money but not into our pocket
    So when there is growth, there is money in your pocket.

    No growth, money goes into others' pockets?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    So when there is growth, there is money in your pocket.

    No growth, money goes into others' pockets?
    No growth means less or no increment.

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    Before QE, Central Bank was told to tighten their belt during crisis, After QE, do you think Central Bank around the World tighten their belt anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Before QE, Central Bank was told to tighten their belt during crisis, After QE, do you think Central Bank around the World tighten their belt anymore.
    Two questions.

    1. Who can use central bank money to buy local properties?

    2. Is it subject to TDSR?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Anyone who know what is money.

    Those who don't know keep their money in the Bank.

    Those who know leverage to the max.

    TDSR is structural, it still can be change and remove.

    I was once told my PS Defence, Policy cannot change, guess what happen to the policy after two years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Anyone who know what is money.

    Those who don't know keep their money in the Bank.

    Those who know leverage to the max.

    TDSR is structural, it still can be change and remove.

    I was once told my PS Defence, Policy cannot change, guess what happen to the policy after two years.
    不要再做垂死的挣扎了。。。

    You already admit TDSR means cannot leverage max already.

    And Minister Khaw says TDSR is here to stay means at least that it will be there till he retires.

    Just like if I told you one day COE might be scrapped if satellite ERP runs full scale. Is there any guarantee that it will happen or when?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Time will tell whether you or me are right or wrong. Let seat back and relax and see how it will happen.

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    It was a policy he was once dead set against. But with a globalised world, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew feels the decision on having a casino is something for the new generation of leaders to look at. He made this point on Thursday in a wide-ranging question-and-answer session at the CEO Dialogue in Bangkok...

    Mr Lee said he was once dead set against it. “In the 1970s, Stanley Ho of Hong Kong said, ‘Have a casino.’ He had a casino in Macau. So I said, ‘No, over my dead body!’” But the world has changed. Increasingly, people can easily fly to gambling centres just a few hour’s flight away.

    Mr Lee said: “I believe the Chinese are congenital gamblers...it is a game of chance. If you believe putting in an extra dollar or even a million can garner you a windfall, I say god bless.”


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    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Time will tell whether you or me are right or wrong. Let seat back and relax and see how it will happen.

    -------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    It was a policy he was once dead set against. But with a globalised world, Minister Mentor Lee Kuan Yew feels the decision on having a casino is something for the new generation of leaders to look at. He made this point on Thursday in a wide-ranging question-and-answer session at the CEO Dialogue in Bangkok...

    Mr Lee said he was once dead set against it. “In the 1970s, Stanley Ho of Hong Kong said, ‘Have a casino.’ He had a casino in Macau. So I said, ‘No, over my dead body!’” But the world has changed. Increasingly, people can easily fly to gambling centres just a few hour’s flight away.

    Mr Lee said: “I believe the Chinese are congenital gamblers...it is a game of chance. If you believe putting in an extra dollar or even a million can garner you a windfall, I say god bless.”


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    You are enrolled in a full–time informal course called ‘life’ and
    each day at this school you will have the opportunity to learn lessons.
    You may like the lessons or think them irrelevant or stupid.
    But lessons you will have.
    There are no mistakes in life only lessons. Your growth is a process
    of trial and error, of experiment, and the failed experiments are
    as much a part of the process as the experiment that ultimately
    works.
    A lesson will be presented to you in various forms until you have
    learned to cope with it. Then you can go on to the next lesson.
    There is no part of life that does not contain lessons; if you are
    alive, then you are still learning lessons.
    Like I mentioned, removal of TDSR may happen one day, just like building of casinos in SG (chewing gum is still banned). It took some 40 years to build a casino. How long would Minister Khaw take to fully retire?

    Anyway the cards are still in favour of a long term growth. Just not in the next couple of years I guess.
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    AEC 2015 is a different ball game, ASEAN country is waking up. Boleh also want to make money, no more mattress to the court, building bridge that is not straight.

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