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    My tenant had some problem with the toilet and we had to replace the toilet bowl and wanted to claim from them as it is above the agreed amount to fork out by landlord as in the contract. However, my agent said it is a small work due to the technicality of the issue so we have to bear it.

    May I know where can I check on guidelines on this kind of situation? I thought it is based on the total amount of work needed to solve the issue?

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    Usually in contract, there are two important clauses.

    1) Within the first month, LL bear full cost
    2) After first month, tenant bear first $150 or $200 depending on the contract. LL bear the rest.

    But I have to say, in MOST contracts. You got to check yours. And if this project still have warranty, get the developer to fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomastansb View Post
    Usually in contract, there are two important clauses.

    1) Within the first month, LL bear full cost
    2) After first month, tenant bear first $150 or $200 depending on the contract. LL bear the rest.

    But I have to say, in MOST contracts. You got to check yours. And if this project still have warranty, get the developer to fix it.
    Usually not pay "the rest" right?

    Usually above 150 or 200, landlord pays the full sum.
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Usually not pay "the rest" right?

    Usually above 150 or 200, landlord pays the full sum.
    Thomas is correct. Tenant is 'insured' against the cost not exploding more than $200 usually. The rest is to be paid by us.

    A toilet bowl including installation should not go above $500. You do the sums Jackie.

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    all thats been said is generally true and correct.
    But still need to ascertain what is the issue...

    if it is a damage due to wilful act ... tenant has to bear the entire cost

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    Quote Originally Posted by PropVestor View Post
    Thomas is correct. Tenant is 'insured' against the cost not exploding more than $200 usually. The rest is to be paid by us.

    A toilet bowl including installation should not go above $500. You do the sums Jackie.
    Oh yah you are right. I just looked at the clause carefully. Landlord pays in excess of $150, and only when not due to wilfulness or negligence etc...

    So far never really had issues with these. Most of the time is equipment not working after warranty period, which I happily replace.
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PropVestor View Post
    Thomas is correct. Tenant is 'insured' against the cost not exploding more than $200 usually. The rest is to be paid by us.

    A toilet bowl including installation should not go above $500. You do the sums Jackie.
    Now wait just a cotton pickin' minute there! The excess of $150 or whatever borne by LL is for expendable and small item repairs, right?
    Whereas replacement of a WC, isn't that a replacement of sanitary fixture.?
    I believe that's why the LL is being asked to bear the full amount (which is why TS is posting in the first place)

    Yours nitpickingly,
    Tony.

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    I bought over the unit with tenancy so am not sure about what it means exactly. Not trying to nitpick but the tenant has caused quite a bit of damages to the place by not taking care of it and we have to reno to make it livable for ourselves.

    The exact wordings are:
    "To be responsible for all minor repairs....not exceeding $200 throughout term of said lease. Such expenditure in excess of $200 (per item/job) shall be borne by landlord. The tenant will still be liable for the minimim sum of the $200 (per item/job)."

    Doesn't this mean if the job is $500, we pay first and claim back $200 from tenant? Is the agent trying to pull a fast one on us?
    Last edited by TravieJackie; 18th April 2018 at 09:09 PM.

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    You have to be clear what you are talking about.

    Let's say lights spoilt. $30. Tenant pay.
    Stove spoilt. $300. Tenant pay $200. You pay $100.
    Scratches and drawings on wall. $1000. Tenany pay $1000.

    Really depends what you are talking about. Like toilet bowl. What is the problem? Choke, tenant bear full cost. Even if $1000, they pay because this is not wear and tear. This is mis-use. I know some are grey areas so remember to get your agent in to help you as well. Like toilet bowl minor crack - This is hard to say wear and tear or negligence. Usually 50/50 but need to negotiate. You still have the deposit so you have the upper hand.



    Quote Originally Posted by TravieJackie View Post
    I bought over the unit with tenancy so am not sure about what it means exactly. Not trying to nitpick but the tenant has caused quite a bit of damages to the place by not taking care of it and we have to reno to make it livable for ourselves.

    The exact wordings are:
    "To be responsible for all minor repairs....not exceeding $200 throughout term of said lease. Such expenditure in excess of $200 (per item/job) shall be borne by landlord. The tenant will still be liable for the minimim sum of the $200 (per item/job)."

    Doesn't this mean if the job is $500, we pay first and claim back $200 from tenant? Is the agent trying to pull a fast one on us?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonymontana View Post
    Now wait just a cotton pickin' minute there! The excess of $150 or whatever borne by LL is for expendable and small item repairs, right?
    Whereas replacement of a WC, isn't that a replacement of sanitary fixture.?
    I believe that's why the LL is being asked to bear the full amount (which is why TS is posting in the first place)

    Yours nitpickingly,
    Tony.
    Dear Tony,

    Lets see if you are true sanitary fixture aka toilet expert cum TA overlord. hehe

    Case question: If the toilet bowl suffers from external trauma such as an external blow or crack which is deemed to be not from internal wear and tear from frequent 'bombardments'. Then I think the case can be argued that the tenant is at fault and hence may need to ask for 50:50 sharing of charges over and above the excess of $150-$200?

    TA Clause Nitpicker,
    PropVestor

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