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    Quote Originally Posted by BB
    You have made the right choice. Clover is a very good development with more pros than cons.
    Summary from Singapore Property Reviews
    http://singaporepropertyreviews.blog...rk-bishan.html

    Pros:

    Bishan Park. Underground Car Park. Low maintenance fees (approx S$180-200 pm) One of the most sought after districts in Singapore. 39 storeys in total - offers great views from top floor units.

    Cons:

    High number of units on a small plot size. Finish not up to mark. Average layouts which don't make good utilization of space. Roads leading to MRT, Expressways could get crowded during peak hours.

    Verdict:

    For those looking to upgrade in and around Bishan area, Clover by the Park offers a reasonable option if you get the right price. Park views are the best option, followed by pool facing units (on Block 2). High floors that face HDB may offer great city views, though they also come with afternoon sun.

    For mass market properties, we prefer proximity to MRT which is not the case here. If you are looking for a quieter location, other developments around Bishan Park (that are bit further away) may offer options at a more affordable price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Regulators
    ur unit must be one of those shoe shaped units. U must one of those who love planter boxes n huge pes areas.
    Hello there, my decision for buying CBTP was because I fell in LOVE with the unique shoe-shaped units and this was cleverly designed at the master bathroom which give a 180deg view (glass around)....where to get such shoe-shaped development! Bravo to SL for this!
    As for the planters at the foyer entrance and balcony, this was great too
    placing them at the corners and if you dont have green fingers, cover them with outdoor wood and viola, you get a bigger space.
    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek
    Summary from Singapore Property Reviews
    http://singaporepropertyreviews.blog...rk-bishan.html

    Pros:

    Bishan Park. Underground Car Park. Low maintenance fees (approx S$180-200 pm) One of the most sought after districts in Singapore. 39 storeys in total - offers great views from top floor units.

    Cons:

    High number of units on a small plot size. Finish not up to mark. Average layouts which don't make good utilization of space. Roads leading to MRT, Expressways could get crowded during peak hours.

    Verdict:

    For those looking to upgrade in and around Bishan area, Clover by the Park offers a reasonable option if you get the right price. Park views are the best option, followed by pool facing units (on Block 2). High floors that face HDB may offer great city views, though they also come with afternoon sun.

    For mass market properties, we prefer proximity to MRT which is not the case here. If you are looking for a quieter location, other developments around Bishan Park (that are bit further away) may offer options at a more affordable price.
    I have read the above review previously. Below are my comments:-
    - Review not done by analysts or property experts. Just by some freelance guys. Cannot ready be trusted & not objective.
    - They did not mention the bishan park/river makeover. A major plus point. Not sure why? Bias?
    - They did not mention that other condo around bishan park in fact located at Sim Ming, which comes with 2 cematorium and a future funeral hub located very near these condo. This is the reason why so cheap & no upside potential.
    - When they said finish not up to mark. Reason they give is Clover is using ceramic tiles for the yard & toilet. Almost all condo are also using ceramics for the yard & why are they comparing the least impt spaces in the unit. Why they did not mention the full marble flooring (GOOD) in the living as compared to other condo using compressed marble or homogenous tiles (BAD).
    - When they reviewed other condo using compressed marble or homogenous tiles, they said good finish. Why? Bias again I think?
    - Review not updated as prices of new condo around the area selling above $1000 psf. Clover looks very attractive at ave $750 psf
    - Although they said for mass market condo better buy near mrt, they did not mention with exception to excellent view that Clover can offer. The 35 years old HDB at east coast with good view transacted at more than 700K.
    Last edited by BB; 02-08-09 at 15:46.

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    Summary from CONDOsingapore Reviews
    Pros:
    1) Great park view
    2) Great future river view
    3) Serene & quiet environment
    4) Although 12 mins walk to mrt but got shuttle bus & 4 SBS buses to mrt. Stop directly in front of the station. Very convenient for taking buses (2 mins ride)
    5) Nice & open twin tower design.
    6) About 70% of the area used for landscaping & facilities
    7) Central Singapore (Bishan!). A well sought after district outside the prime 9, 10 & 11.
    8) Near to city & orchard
    9) Very very high ceiling at 3.15 m (normal condo only about 2.8 m)
    10) Within 1 km from Catholic High. Ranked top 5 primary school in Singapore based on academic.
    11) Bishan mrt is a interchange station. Potential for future develpment (malls, offices, business hubs & etc) on the many empty land around. Condo near or around will have more potential as compared to a mrt who is not interchange.
    12) Reliable developer who also do their own construction
    13) Upcoming future development in the park (e.g Alfresco dining, recretional activities & etc) as per Npark & PUB masterplan
    14) All units are N & S facing (No west sun)
    15) Very near amenities
    16) With the coming Thomson Line. High chance of a mrt station near Clover
    17) Cheaper at ave $650 - $750 psf. A lot of upside potential given the high asking price of new condo nearby.

    Cons:
    1) Not near mrt
    2) 4 bedroom layout not ideal. A lot of space wastage (3 bedroom ok)
    3) Balcony & Bay Window (almost all new condo have this also)
    4) Traffic to Bishan can be quite bad with ERP
    5) Near HDB

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    Anyway, just my comments and observations having resides in Bishan North for over 12 years now.

    Summary from CONDOsingapore Reviews

    Pros:
    1) Great park view - Agree, but HDB & more HDB beyond that
    2) Great future river view - Have everyone forgotten about Punggol21?
    3) Serene & quiet environment - Still relatively is but not sure when another 1.2K families moved in from both Clover & NL
    4) Although 12 mins walk to mrt but got shuttle bus & 4 SBS buses to mrt. Stop directly in front of the station. Very convenient for taking buses (2 mins ride) - Agree
    5) Nice & open twin tower design. - Subjective & matter of preference, but of course better than those cramp layouts
    6) About 70% of the area used for landscaping & facilities - Agree, as they are able to build higher
    7) Central Singapore (Bishan!). A well sought after district outside the prime 9, 10 & 11. - Agree
    8) Near to city & orchard - Agree
    9) Very very high ceiling at 3.15 m (normal condo only about 2.8 m) - Not sure, so can't comment but high ceiling is definitely a plus point
    10) Within 1 km from Catholic High. Ranked top 5 primary school in Singapore based on academic. - Provided your son, since its a boy school only, is successful in getting a place by ballot. Confirmed ballot for those who are not ex-students or already have a son studying. And if not successful, then your son will only be eligible for Phase 3 available schools nearby.
    11) Bishan mrt is a interchange station. Potential for future develpment (malls, offices, business hubs & etc) on the many empty land around. Condo near or around will have more potential as compared to a mrt who is not interchange. - Agree, especially the vacant plot beside Bishan MRT & J8
    12) Reliable developer who also do their own construction - SL is a contractor first before becoming a developer. May not necessary be a good thing as there's no developer project management team to oversee the construction and material selection.
    13) Upcoming future development in the park (e.g Alfresco dining, recretional activities & etc) as per Npark & PUB masterplan - Had seen many vendors come and go already
    14) All units are N & S facing (No west sun) - Most new development are also having such orientation, including NL
    15) Very near amenities - Adequate amenities and walking distance to more
    16) With the coming Thomson Line. High chance of a mrt station near Clover - Likelyhood will be a overhead line as possible intechange station with AMK or YCK, both overhead Stns, and situated along Marymount. But be mindful that MRT noise will now be coming from both tracks.
    17) Cheaper at ave $650 - $750 psf. A lot of upside potential given the high asking price of new condo nearby. - Not necessary cheaper as the other new condo nearby are mainly Freehold. And space utilisation is not optimum, especially for the 4BR, so more $$$ for unusable space

    Welcome Cloverians to Bishan North and enjoy your future stay here!

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    Is it true that all bathrooms dont come with mirror?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kEN9170
    Is it true that all bathrooms dont come with mirror?
    Not true. All bathrooms at CBTP comes with mirror...and the one at the master-bathroom is a great longish oval-shaped mirror

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    Quote Originally Posted by sleek
    Anyway, just my comments and observations having resides in Bishan North for over 12 years now.

    Summary from CONDOsingapore Reviews
    Pros:
    1) Great park view - Agree, but HDB & more HDB beyond that
    2) Great future river view - Have everyone forgotten about Punggol21?
    3) Serene & quiet environment - Still relatively is but not sure when another 1.2K families moved in from both Clover & NL
    4) Although 12 mins walk to mrt but got shuttle bus & 4 SBS buses to mrt. Stop directly in front of the station. Very convenient for taking buses (2 mins ride) - Agree
    5) Nice & open twin tower design. - Subjective & matter of preference, but of course better than those cramp layouts
    6) About 70% of the area used for landscaping & facilities - Agree, as they are able to build higher
    7) Central Singapore (Bishan!). A well sought after district outside the prime 9, 10 & 11. - Agree
    8) Near to city & orchard - Agree
    9) Very very high ceiling at 3.15 m (normal condo only about 2.8 m) - Not sure, so can't comment but high ceiling is definitely a plus point
    10) Within 1 km from Catholic High. Ranked top 5 primary school in Singapore based on academic. - Provided your son, since its a boy school only, is successful in getting a place by ballot. Confirmed ballot for those who are not ex-students or already have a son studying. And if not successful, then your son will only be eligible for Phase 3 available schools nearby.
    11) Bishan mrt is a interchange station. Potential for future develpment (malls, offices, business hubs & etc) on the many empty land around. Condo near or around will have more potential as compared to a mrt who is not interchange. - Agree, especially the vacant plot beside Bishan MRT & J8
    12) Reliable developer who also do their own construction - SL is a contractor first before becoming a developer. May not necessary be a good thing as there's no developer project management team to oversee the construction and material selection.
    13) Upcoming future development in the park (e.g Alfresco dining, recretional activities & etc) as per Npark & PUB masterplan - Had seen many vendors come and go already
    14) All units are N & S facing (No west sun) - Most new development are also having such orientation, including NL
    15) Very near amenities - Adequate amenities and walking distance to more
    16) With the coming Thomson Line. High chance of a mrt station near Clover - Likelyhood will be a overhead line as possible intechange station with AMK or YCK, both overhead Stns, and situated along Marymount. But be mindful that MRT noise will now be coming from both tracks.
    17) Cheaper at ave $650 - $750 psf. A lot of upside potential given the high asking price of new condo nearby. - Not necessary cheaper as the other new condo nearby are mainly Freehold. And space utilisation is not optimum, especially for the 4BR, so more $$$ for unusable space

    Welcome Cloverians to Bishan North and enjoy your future stay here!
    I've seen SL's quality at The Pearl (Mt Faber) and Viz @ Holland and they are pretty good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB
    Summary from CONDOsingapore Reviews
    Pros:
    1) Great park view
    2) Great future river view
    3) Serene & quiet environment
    4) Although 12 mins walk to mrt but got shuttle bus & 4 SBS buses to mrt. Stop directly in front of the station. Very convenient for taking buses (2 mins ride)
    5) Nice & open twin tower design.
    6) About 70% of the area used for landscaping & facilities
    7) Central Singapore (Bishan!). A well sought after district outside the prime 9, 10 & 11.
    8) Near to city & orchard
    9) Very very high ceiling at 3.15 m (normal condo only about 2.8 m)
    10) Within 1 km from Catholic High. Ranked top 5 primary school in Singapore based on academic.
    11) Bishan mrt is a interchange station. Potential for future develpment (malls, offices, business hubs & etc) on the many empty land around. Condo near or around will have more potential as compared to a mrt who is not interchange.
    12) Reliable developer who also do their own construction
    13) Upcoming future development in the park (e.g Alfresco dining, recretional activities & etc) as per Npark & PUB masterplan
    14) All units are N & S facing (No west sun)
    15) Very near amenities
    16) With the coming Thomson Line. High chance of a mrt station near Clover
    17) Cheaper at ave $650 - $750 psf. A lot of upside potential given the high asking price of new condo nearby.

    Cons:
    1) Not near mrt
    2) 4 bedroom layout not ideal. A lot of space wastage (3 bedroom ok)
    3) Balcony & Bay Window (almost all new condo have this also)
    4) Traffic to Bishan can be quite bad with ERP
    5) Near HDB
    BB, u are very precise and observant

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicole08
    BB, u are very precise and observant
    Is tantan = BB?
    http://forums.condosingapore.com/sho...&postcount=892

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    eh, sounds so familiar... tantan and BB exists in another forum too

    I can tell that "they" really love Clover by the Park VERY MUCH.

    Quote Originally Posted by sleek

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    Sorry, forgot the link...

    http://www.myhometown.sg/Forum/tabid...6/Default.aspx

    Quote Originally Posted by stanchan
    eh, sounds so familiar... tantan and BB exists in another forum too

    I can tell that "they" really love Clover by the Park VERY MUCH.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stanchan
    eh, sounds so familiar... tantan and BB exists in another forum too

    I can tell that "they" really love Clover by the Park VERY MUCH.
    Or maybe owner/agents who are also marketing the development?

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