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  1. #81

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mage
    Dear Nav14

    I understand now why you have to defend arguments against this location after seeing your previous post. You actually live there.

    My apologies, i have nothing against you.

    Dark Mage
    No worries Dark Mage.. what you said is objective and not biased. What he said sounds more like a defensive position and maybe it is due to him staying there. Both can be right but not at the same time. I did by NS near Jalan Bahar and have friends staying around Jurong West... those planes flying around can really disturb you.. even in Jurong Junior Colleage.. So the conclusion is that homes near air bases are prone to such negative factors. Nothing more need to be said.

    Personally, I find that the seletar air hub thingy shall benefit more of the punggol residence/seng kang side although all will benefit including Yishun. Just which more, which less.

  2. #82

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarenK
    one man's meat is another man's poison. everyone have their own views, preferences & tastes. u do not have to bash other pp's opinions just to put forth your own.
    Agree.... there are people who stays in 3 room flats who think that they are a class above the rest also... Even those who obviously cannot afford to stay in condo/Semi-D, Bungalow's etc put up appearance that they could... until foreclosures. You see that happening with some Car buyers also.

    No need to take it to heart.

  3. #83

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    Quote Originally Posted by nav14
    I have stayed in various parts of Sembawang / Yishun all my life since birth. Right now I am staying in a condo next to the new condo The Estuary and the last thing that has ever bothered me is helicopter or noise from planes. Maybe you should station yourself at Blk 816 and record like what azeoprop has done and post on youtube on what noise you can hear from that area.

    While you will be looking at the negative aspect of a expanded Seletar Airbase (not like as if it is turning into a major airport with non stop flights), the buyers of The Estuary will be looking at the opening up of the new Rd linking Yishun Ave 1 to Seletar Airhub as an opportunity to get good rents from the 10,000 who will be working there soon.

    Those buying will be looking at the positives while those not buying can only see the negatives.

    I think the guy is just sharing some facts he knows, you don't have to be so defensive. You live near airbase and yet cannot hear planes, how many people will believe this??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condorich
    Agree.... there are people who stays in 3 room flats who think that they are a class above the rest also... Even those who obviously cannot afford to stay in condo/Semi-D, Bungalow's etc put up appearance that they could... until foreclosures. You see that happening with some Car buyers also.

    No need to take it to heart.
    ha ha, no worries. there is no perfect property n even if u build one from scratch, u will still have your share of headaches from getting permits, the contractor, post-completion defects etc. most important is to be happy with what u have and be satisfied with what u have bought. no use comparing all over the place. there will always be another mountain higher than this mountain. if one keeps comparing, one will never be contented. as long as u can live with the shortcomings of the pty u have bought coz to u they seem minor, then so be it & live long & happy in the pty. like I said, one man's meat is another man's poison. what is unimportant to u may be earthshakingly important to another, and vice versa.

    chill....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kafka
    I think the guy is just sharing some facts he knows, you don't have to be so defensive. You live near airbase and yet cannot hear planes, how many people will believe this??
    different people have different powers of listening.....it's all very individual. like for eg, I can give instructions to my maid by speaking right into her ear & yet for some reason, she cannot "hear" it. it's the same problem with that guy, me tinks....

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    Those are for broadcasting right? Probably omni-directional which means any direction equally bad. I would not want to live close to such satellite dishes. >2km is my rule of thumb in terms of safety but obviously further away is better. Some people will say that there is no scientific proof that these dishes are harmful. It is the same as saying that there are no scientific proof that people living under the transmission cables are harmful but anecdotal evidence and happenings that occur in US seems to indicate that the transmission cables are at fault. Same for use handphones for long period of time by putting the phone beside your ears. My advice for sales people who are always talking on the mobile phone is better use earphones.

    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    Just wondering will those microwave satallite dishes turn direction to face the condo? Or are they fixed?

  7. #87

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dark Mage
    Dear Nav14

    I understand now why you have to defend arguments against this location after seeing your previous post. You actually live there.

    My apologies, i have nothing against you.

    Dark Mage
    I have nothing against you as well. Just that I don't like people who exaggerate /claim to know what noise can be heard or negatives of a particualar location eventhough they have never spend too much time in that PARTICULAR location.

    The complaints you used to hear from resdients while working at Sembawang Airbase were from residents from all parts of Yishun and Sembawang or only in certain areas? Just because you used to hear complaints you have assumed the same noise should be heard where The Estuary is located. As I have indicated earlier if one can hear regular helicopter noise at The Estuary then residents all over Singapore should be complaining unless you mean that helicopters don't fly beyond Sembawang/Yishun.

    If you hear noise from jets at Paya Lebar Airport, it dones not mean one Staying at Yishun Ave can definitely hear noise from the small planes that use Seletar Airport.

    Spend 1/2 day at The Estuary location and see for yourself what noise can be heard before you mislead people. As I admitted (which shows I am not being defensive for the sake of it or just because I am staying there) there is quite a bit of noise from traffic along Yishun Ave 1 but not from planes or helicopters .

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Those are for broadcasting right? Probably omni-directional which means any direction equally bad. I would not want to live close to such satellite dishes. >2km is my rule of thumb in terms of safety but obviously further away is better. Some people will say that there is no scientific proof that these dishes are harmful. It is the same as saying that there are no scientific proof that people living under the transmission cables are harmful but anecdotal evidence and happenings that occur in US seems to indicate that the transmission cables are at fault. Same for use handphones for long period of time by putting the phone beside your ears. My advice for sales people who are always talking on the mobile phone is better use earphones.
    That would mean the HDB blocks along Yishun Ave 1 that have been directly facing the satellite dishes (less than 2 km away) for more than 20 years should have more regular funeral wakes in their void decks. But not that I noticed it. So what can one conclude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kafka
    I think the guy is just sharing some facts he knows, you don't have to be so defensive. You live near airbase and yet cannot hear planes, how many people will believe this??
    Same advice applies to you. Can't conclude that just because one is living near airbase means must hear plane noise regularly. What kind of planes (jet vs light planes) what is the flying route, etc must all be considered. Before you make a fool of yourself by insisting that someone staying near The Estuary can definitely hear regular plane noise, suggest you go down and spend some time there. Very easy to come to a forum and declaring something that is completely unfounded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Condorich
    No worries Dark Mage.. what you said is objective and not biased. What he said sounds more like a defensive position and maybe it is due to him staying there. Both can be right but not at the same time. I did by NS near Jalan Bahar and have friends staying around Jurong West... those planes flying around can really disturb you.. even in Jurong Junior Colleage.. So the conclusion is that homes near air bases are prone to such negative factors. Nothing more need to be said.

    Personally, I find that the seletar air hub thingy shall benefit more of the punggol residence/seng kang side although all will benefit including Yishun. Just which more, which less.
    YOu are another clown harping on the same point. Same advice. Go and spend some time at The Estuary and hear for yourself on how noisy the planes are from Seletar Airbase before you blindly support other clowns.. Are you guys even aware of what kind of planes fly to Seletar Airbase and its flying route. Why don't you clowns make a recording of the noise of planes supposedly flying above The Estuary and post it on youtube and we will see how truthful you guys are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarenK
    one man's meat is another man's poison. everyone have their own views, preferences & tastes. u do not have to bash other pp's opinions just to put forth your own.
    I am only correcting unfounded and misleading views of parties about The Estuary. YOu have clowns coming here and saying all kinds of noises can be heard from that location - helicopter, plane and noise from stadium. All rubbish. The only noise is traffic noise. That's it. The message to these clowns is do not come here and attack a development blindly just because they are not buying it.

    AS for youself, I was giving my frank opinion in response to your question to me on what category of people buy Meadows @ Pierce. Just tyoo bad if you have a unit there. If you can't bear hearing other people's frank opinion then don;t ask for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BB
    Orchid Park Condo that you are staying is in a much better location than The Estuary. Not beside MRT track, stadium & major junction. Many times better than The Estuary.
    I do admit the Orchid Park Condo's location is better including the view of the reservoir which is more central than The Estuary's which is from an angle. But I don't think the MRT track will be a big bother to residents at The Estuary as it it across a 6 lane road and a good 100-150 metres away(may be more if they buffer it with a tennis court etc) from the nearest block. The blocks will be facing the reservoir and away from the junction or the MRT track. The traffic noise may also not be as bad as that in front of Orchid Park Condo as the vehicles will slow down at a junction as against fast moving vehicles in front of Orchid Park Condo.

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    Citing from the US experience, these radiations won't usually make people die, but they after staying at same place for a long time will tend to suffer from very much higher chance of developing illnesses, cancers, and anomaly of new-born babies etc. Did you do a research over the past 20 years that people who have lived there for past 20 years (not those who live in and move out over short period) didn't have higher chance of above ill-effects over other places?
    In a place such as Singapore where medical treatments & hospitalisations are rather expensive (vs income), people would rather die than suffer long-term incurable illness & pains that need frequent medical treatments & hospitalisations.

    Quote Originally Posted by nav14
    That would mean the HDB blocks along Yishun Ave 1 that have been directly facing the satellite dishes (less than 2 km away) for more than 20 years should have more regular funeral wakes in their void decks. But not that I noticed it. So what can one conclude?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nav14
    Same advice applies to you. Can't conclude that just because one is living near airbase means must hear plane noise regularly. What kind of planes (jet vs light planes) what is the flying route, etc must all be considered. Before you make a fool of yourself by insisting that someone staying near The Estuary can definitely hear regular plane noise, suggest you go down and spend some time there. Very easy to come to a forum and declaring something that is completely unfounded.

    Sorry Sir. You must be right. Only got Airbus 320 and Boeing 737 coming to land. Surely cannot hear anything. Only sound is the water birds from the tranquil surrounding, and maybe some residents breaking wind.

    http://www.eastliving.com.sg/index2....o_pdf=1&id=302

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    Quote Originally Posted by KarenK
    different people have different powers of listening.....it's all very individual. like for eg, I can give instructions to my maid by speaking right into her ear & yet for some reason, she cannot "hear" it. it's the same problem with that guy, me tinks....
    If I admit that I can hear quite a bit of traffic noise then one should believe me when I said that there is no noise from planes or helicopters. I should know better since I have been staying in that location for years than an armchair critic like you who has bought a house in the middle of no man's land (maybe want to be closer to the monkeys across the road) and yet blindly criticise other areas, someone who spent 2 years working in a Sembawang Airbase and assumes the same helicopter noise can be heard all over Yishun (maybe the RSAF has a policy that helicopters should cover every inch of Yishun/Sembawang regularly to irritate the residents or maybe Yishun is such a small place that one helicopter taking off from the airbase will end up flying over the whole of Yishun), noise from fighter jets at Paya Lebar airport should be equivalent to noise from small light planes at Seletar airbase, that planes can fly all over Singapore and there is no such thing as a flying route or if there is then there is definitely a flying route directly above The Estuary, or that The Estuary is located immediately next to the Seletar Airbase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kafka
    Sorry Sir. You must be right. Only got Airbus 320 and Boeing 737 coming to land. Surely cannot hear anything. Only sound is the water birds from the tranquil surrounding, and maybe some residents breaking wind.

    http://www.eastliving.com.sg/index2....o_pdf=1&id=302
    Yet to start and that too for maintenance mostly and not so much for ferrying passengers which means very irregular touchdowns. Don't worry no second Changi airport here. But you sure the route will be directly ABOVE the estuary or you also share the opinion that any one plane above and the whole Yishun will be able to hear it or a plane landing at Seletar Airbase can be heard 3 kilometres away at The Estuary? Come on guys you surely have more grey matter. Are forumers here that silly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Citing from the US experience, these radiations won't usually make people die, but they after staying at same place for a long time will tend to suffer from very much higher chance of developing illnesses, cancers, and anomaly of new-born babies etc. Did you do a research over the past 20 years that people who have lived there for past 20 years (not those who live in and move out over short period) didn't have higher chance of above ill-effects over other places?
    In a place such as Singapore where medical treatments & hospitalisations are rather expensive (vs income), people would rather die than suffer long-term incurable illness & pains that need frequent medical treatments & hospitalisations.
    "....people would rather die than suffer long term incurable illness..." That will win you the mother of all clowns title in this forum

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    What I am citing are facts. Only clowns like to bad-mouth when they lose an argument by being unable to provide facts. You are the real clown who like to call somebody else "clown"?
    Anyway, all forumers here have eyes to see. Don't need for me to say much.

    Quote Originally Posted by nav14
    "....people would rather die than suffer long term incurable illness..." That will win you the mother of all clowns title in this forum

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    No need to argue lah, just look at widely accepted, generally known facts lor.

    - (http://www.sci-ctr.edu.sg/ssc/detail...arent=3&cat=29) Are you living within the direction of the satellite dish? if you're behind the convex back of the dish, then no worries. If you're facing the concave bit even if it's not directly facing you, then you better start to calculate how far you are from it. All forms of high output radiation whether from power lines, satellite dishes, radio towers etc significantly increase the rate of cancer.

    - the Yishun avenue site is equidistant from the Seletar and Sembawang air bases. These have been very lightly used for quite some time so i doubt noise will affect anything. However, if the Seletar aerospace thing takes off and they are servicing Boeings and Airbuses, then noise could reach unbearable levels - really still depending on frequency of use of the two strips. Dun believe? try staying close to the paya lebar airstrip

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    I stay in Orchid Park, and completely agree with the facts mentioned by nav14 regarding noise (from traffic, and not from airplanes/helicopters). By the way, I stay in tower 8, facing the reservoir. I accept that traffic noise is there, but it is not a big deal, very bearable.. The reservoir view, and green surroundings more than compensate for the bit of noise..

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