The Estuary

[ksh]

Any opinion on noise pollution, forumers...

[teddybear]

West Coast to Orchard takes only 15-20 minutes? On a Sunday morning may be; peak hours takes like 1 hour or even more in start-stop traffic, Other time also not that good because of the now large vehicle population. It is the start-stop traffic that kills the driver (and not the 1 hour driving - Drivers will understand that very well).

Say for analogy, there is a big explosion in Jurong Island, you are saying that Orchard Somerset will be affect by the explosion as well? Wow! That is probably a nuclear bomb and not explosion!

food for thought or evidence of irrationality? From the west coast to orchard, 15 to 20 minutes of driving, but condos in the west cost one half as much. so, if you are smart, where would you choose to live?

don't give me that jurong island crap. if there is an accident, it makes no difference whether you live near summerset or NUS. all will be toast.

[teddybear]

Is this also the only place in the world where the condo has less car park lots available than the number of units in the estate?

Not only that, this is the only place in the world where shopping centre carparks can say B2 FULL and B3 351 lots available and you still see fools circling round and round B2 dying to get a lot there and saving having to go up one floor by escalator or lift !!!!

[stalingrad]

West Coast to Orchard takes only 15-20 minutes? On a Sunday morning may be; peak hours takes like 1 hour or even more in start-stop traffic, Other time also not that good because of the now large vehicle population. It is the start-stop traffic that kills the driver (and not the 1 hour driving - Drivers will understand that very well).

Say for analogy, there is a big explosion in Jurong Island, you are saying that Orchard Somerset will be affect by the explosion as well? Wow! That is probably a nuclear bomb and not explosion!

you are wrong. on any day, at any time, you can get to orchard road in 30 minutes at most. You can get to vivicity and RWS in 10 minutes.

if there is a industrial accident, it will probably affect most if not the whole of the island. Remember orchard road is only 6 kilometers from the west coast area. I run more than 6 kilo every day.

[teddybear]

Have same experience too. Used to think that D9-D11 area must be always traffic jam and hence why pay so much to get in the traffic jam? Thereafter, realized that some areas in CCR is actually damn convenient and there are actually many roads in & out that will not be jam up (only people who live around there will know these roads while the majority who live far away always use the main road and get stuck in the perpetual traffic jam). I realized that I had always been exhibiting "Ah Q" spirit previously and not willing to pay more for the property in CCR. People just have to experience it to know the advantages that you mentioned while those who didn't will just... (well...).

i have lived in CCK for 5 yrs and used to love it ...just as much as how some love Yishun ...

until i moved to town .. thats when i realised how much i have missed out .. that extra sleep in the morning, or having coffee and reading the papers ..etc .. and still get into office within 8 mins .. no ERP, no traffic jam ..

thats something many who live in city can tell you ...and thats why those working in the city ..wants to live in the city ...

thats why many youngsters nowadays die die want to live in the city .. even when it means paying thru their nose ..

when they have to move out of their cramp Yishun HDB ..they will upgrade to the city ... not back to Yishun again .. thats not upgrade .. thats lateral move ...

just something, some(one) will never understand after 20 years in Yishun and before that in Hougang and kovan and what have you ... until he gets to live and work in the city


the above does not apply if one works in Yishun ,of course then it does not make sense to move to the city ...

if my example sounds familiar ..its only coincidence ..

[teddybear]

Hah? You fly is it? I have driven many times from West Coast to Vivocity and during very very smooth traffic condition already takes >15 minutes, very heavy traffic conditions takes > 40 minutes.

you are wrong. on any day, at any time, you can get to orchard road in 30 minutes at most. You can get to vivicity and RWS in 10 minutes.

if there is a industrial accident, it will probably affect most if not the whole of the island. Remember orchard road is only 6 kilometers from the west coast area. I run more than 6 kilo every day.

[stalingrad]

Hah? You fly is it? I have driven many times from West Coast to Vivocity and during very very smooth traffic condition already takes >15 minutes, very heavy traffic conditions takes > 40 minutes.

How can there be heavy traffic when you go to vivocity? Unless you did not take the west coast highway, especially the elevated segment. It is almost deserted most of the time. you baffled me.

[nav14]

What is so good about 16 mins to Orchard on a sunday morning and then a 1 hour drive to CBD with $10 ERP on weekdays? Seriously, I think Vision can beat Estuary anytime in terms of location.

Even during peak it takes no more than 35-40minutes minutes to hit CBD unless there is a traffic accident. Where got cost $10 ERP? There is not a single traffic light (except one manually operated zebra crossing light which is green for 23 hrs and 45 mins) between Estuary and the road leading to Cairnhill. Go and count the number of traffic lights between Vision & Cairnhill. And people will pay $1100psf for Vision? . For that like someone said better choices in Balestier s- so much more strategic.

[Moo2010]

Have to applaud you for your aggressiveness in buying and selling property...champion...

hopefully you are not overcommitted...

we (I am mid thirties) still got a long way to go...

No la, i only buy within my limit and I only buy when I feel theres good profit margin. I'm more like that kinda hit and run type. I believe in timming. Never buy anything when u have no holding power. This is rule no. 1.
When I buy savannah (with safari theme) for investment, everyone all ask me go zoo see monkeys and giraffes instead. I'm quite immure to that kinda statement already.

Anyway, do what you think its wise, don't let others affect your decision making. Else you will never start your 1st step. But must also do alot of homework, i.e work out the potential in terms of profit margin, study market trend and be sensitive to buyers' sentiments and preferences.
Ready to accept lost and gain....we don't win everytime.
If take it too hard, then property investment is not your game.


cheers

[amk]

thats something many who live in city can tell you ...and thats why those working in the city ..wants to live in the city ...

thats why many youngsters nowadays die die want to live in the city .. even when it means paying thru their nose ..

.. until they get older, and start to realize life is not meant to be always in a buzz, then they will start to look away from the concrete jungle in the city center and look elsewhere for peace. (and btw by then he will no longer be bothered to be "on time" for work, as he goes to work at his leisure )

[xebay11]

you are wrong. on any day, at any time, you can get to orchard road in 30 minutes at most. You can get to vivicity and RWS in 10 minutes.

if there is a industrial accident, it will probably affect most if not the whole of the island. Remember orchard road is only 6 kilometers from the west coast area. I run more than 6 kilo every day.

You have obviously not worked in industry before. Anyway you should be more concerned with pollution from JI than industrial accident.

[teddybear]

I would think that when I am old, I want to be able to just walk across the road to reach the MRT station, get my food and daily necessities and shopping rather than walk far away like Estaury? (not about going to work or fetch kid etc).

.. until they get older, and start to realize life is not meant to be always in a buzz, then they will start to look away from the concrete jungle in the city center and look elsewhere for peace. (and btw by then he will no longer be bothered to be "on time" for work, as he goes to work at his leisure )

[teddybear]

You don't need to come down from the elevated West Coast Highway and travel along Teloh Blangah Road to get into VivoCity?
The stretch of Teloh Blangah Road is notorious for traffic jams!

How can there be heavy traffic when you go to vivocity? Unless you did not take the west coast highway, especially the elevated segment. It is almost deserted most of the time. you baffled me.

[stalingrad]

You don't need to come down from the elevated West Coast Highway and travel along Teloh Blangah Road to get into VivoCity?
The stretch of Teloh Blangah Road is notorious for traffic jams!

NO, you don't. I have to teach you how?

[teddybear]

Ha ha ha! You don't have to come down from elevated West Coast Highway, you mean WCH goes direct into Vivocity or you fly into Vivocity car park?

NO, you don't. I have to teach you how?

[stalingrad]

Ha ha ha! You don't have to come down from elevated West Coast Highway, you mean WCH goes direct into Vivocity or you fly into Vivocity car park?

No, there is a shorter way to get off the highway and into vivocity. surprised that you of all people don't know. trust me. it takes 10 minutes from west coast. You leave west coast at 9 and have coffee at coffee beans at 9:10.

[xebay11]

No, there is a shorter way to get off the highway and into vivocity. surprised that you of all people don't know. trust me. it takes 10 minutes from west coast. You leave west coast at 9 and have coffee at coffee beans at 9:10.

Yes there is but its illegal u dufus.

[gosperence]

I bought a unit - 3 bedders at $700psf, fronting the lower seletar reservior view last Thursday before price increased to $760psf. I love the view, and the peaceful n tranquility of the reservior (although there is a 6-lanes drive in front). The reservior has no car park now, but i'm not sure it's in the making, thus the park area seldom visited by public. The whole park is under renovating or upgrading under PUB's ABCWater program. They're building a seating outdoor threater, a new futuristic arch of jetty (u can see the structure already up), a rower house for kayak and a bridge connecting a river and a 0.3km elevated broadwalk. I think it's nice when completed this June.
I think 1-2 bedders the demand is not really there in Yishun. The location is still far from Koo Teck Phuat Hospital, although very near to the AeroScience Park in planning.

The showroom is closed now (preview end). The agent i purchased from told me official open for sales this Friday, and official brochure will be out. Good stack like 08 will be opened for sales at $865psf averagely....

One think i don't like for all new condo design now, balcony is big and planter box eat into livable area. Common practice now....

[xebay11]

If people keep buying these unlivable designs, developers will keep building and selling them.

[7dwc]

Even during peak it takes no more than 35-40minutes minutes to hit CBD unless there is a traffic accident. Where got cost $10 ERP? There is not a single traffic light (except one manually operated zebra crossing light which is green for 23 hrs and 45 mins) between Estuary and the road leading to Cairnhill. Go and count the number of traffic lights between Vision & Cairnhill. And people will pay $1100psf for Vision? . For that like someone said better choices in Balestier s- so much more strategic.

That precisely can be common along CTE.

[gohsoonk]

If people keep buying these unlivable designs, developers will keep building and selling them.

That is the principle of supply and demand economics. However, the richness in diversity is also a key contributor to successful capitalism.

[Reporter]

If almost-7-year-old Lilydale EC can hit $542 psf, why shouldn't:
1. Going-9-year-old Seletaris hit $643 psf,
2. Going-8-year-old Yishun Emerald hit $632 psf,
3. Going-8-year-old Yishun Sapphire hit $628 psf
?

If going-9-year-old Seletaris can hit $643 psf, why shouldn't completely-new-and-near-water-and-near-MRT-and-near-... The Estuary hit .....?

If almost-7-year-old Lilydale EC can hit $542 psf, why shouldn't:
4. Almost-1-year-old Northwood hit $720 psf,
5. Going-9-year-old Euphony Gardens hit $634 psf,
?

If almost-1-year-old Northwood can hit $720 psf, why shouldn't The Estuary hit .....?

$710 psf is history now.
Almost-1-year-old Northwood has set a nëw hïgh of $720 psf!


Northwood
Address ............................ psf ............ Area ........... Price ......... Contract Date
70 Jalan Mata Ayer #04-23 .... $720 psf .... 1,313 sqft .... $945,000 .... 20 Jan 10

Wow!
Going-9-year-old Euphony Gardens has set a nëw hïgh of $634 psf!
Cool!


Euphony Gardens
Address ............................ psf ............ Area ........ Price ......... Contract Date
13 Jalan Mata Ayer #01-72 .... $634 psf .... 883 sqft .... $560,000 .... 3 Feb 10

[Property_Owner]

why is it so crowded in a Far North thread?

[proud owner]

Is this also the only place in the world where the condo has less car park lots available than the number of units in the estate?

also a place where its people lose $100 before they start gambling ..
super swei ..

wonder how much Sands would charge

[Condorich]

I bought a unit - 3 bedders at $700psf, fronting the lower seletar reservior view last Thursday before price increased to $760psf. I love the view, and the peaceful n tranquility of the reservior (although there is a 6-lanes drive in front). The reservior has no car park now, but i'm not sure it's in the making, thus the park area seldom visited by public. The whole park is under renovating or upgrading under PUB's ABCWater program. They're building a seating outdoor threater, a new futuristic arch of jetty (u can see the structure already up), a rower house for kayak and a bridge connecting a river and a 0.3km elevated broadwalk. I think it's nice when completed this June.
I think 1-2 bedders the demand is not really there in Yishun. The location is still far from Koo Teck Phuat Hospital, although very near to the AeroScience Park in planning.

The showroom is closed now (preview end). The agent i purchased from told me official open for sales this Friday, and official brochure will be out. Good stack like 08 will be opened for sales at $865psf averagely....

One think i don't like for all new condo design now, balcony is big and planter box eat into livable area. Common practice now....

A wise choice to get a unit at that kind of price... I would be tempted if I am buying for self stay too... However, shall be giving this a miss now due to other considerations and on the current pricing, the perceived value is not really there anymore. 10% discount no longer applies right?

Car parks will not be provided as long as the stadium car parks and the HDB car parks around there are not utilised completely. What you are going to see is that more and more cars will park at the HDB car parks, followed by enforcement checks... it should be managable. Anyway free parking on Sunday at the HDB block and not at the facilities block of the stadium.

In the long term... when there's really a clear indication of lack of parking in that area and a increased park visitation... I would think a multi-storey carpark would be built at the park, with provision of a food court.. something similar to the one at the Botanic Gardens. But you might have to wait a pretty long while for it to be a reality.

[Condorich]

why is it so crowded in a Far North thread?

Pent up demand in the North...
Pent up frustration in the North...
Pent up disappointment in the North and Perhaps from the rest of the islanders, except the few who appreciates it.

It's like a crime scene... a lot of lookers but a few victims and alot of related agencies... (the agents in black jackets, t-shirts or whatever - mostly black, I wonder if they will ever wear Red.... not seen even during the preview launch on 1st to 15th of the CNY)

So far, it is not a terrorist gathering of sucide bombers (buyers who buy beyond their means).

[gosperence]

Hi Condorich,

I believed the 10% discount is over. When i was there they said the discount now was 8%, but 3-bedders and above still available. After some negotiations and i thought this project made no sense to get a small one for investment, i decided to take the 3-bedders (not the odd design unit in stack 22, 36) but a fuller square one with bigger internal livable space (stack 21 i bought). The showroom 3-bedders are stack 36 design, i saw a lot of wastage here and there.
Every project now launched with discount, then partial discount and up the price when demand is good, and discount is still given for bad/odd unit. Why buy something not good even if there is discount, not my principle as investment in property is a huge commitment.

Trust me, for any project now, to get a sizable profit thru flipping is impossible now (not the high end). Those missed the quantum shift in 2006 to early 2008 will no longer see profit of 200-400k within two years. All properties now factored in high inflation. If the govt in China, HK & Singapore not controlling well and balancing the demand vs supply, a fall is very likely. Touchwood.
I'm sure PAP would like to keep all HDB prices at current level if not higher. Collecting stamp duty is 'shiok' for them.

[moneyspinner]

Hi Condorich,

I believed the 10% discount is over. When i was there they said the discount now was 8%, but 3-bedders and above still available. After some negotiations and i thought this project made no sense to get a small one for investment, i decided to take the 3-bedders (not the odd design unit in stack 22, 36) but a fuller square one with bigger internal livable space (stack 21 i bought). The showroom 3-bedders are stack 36 design, i saw a lot of wastage here and there.
Every project now launched with discount, then partial discount and up the price when demand is good, and discount is still given for bad/odd unit. Why buy something not good even if there is discount, not my principle as investment in property is a huge commitment.

Trust me, for any project now, to get a sizable profit thru flipping is impossible now (not the high end). Those missed the quantum shift in 2006 to early 2008 will no longer see profit of 200-400k within two years. All properties now factored in high inflation. If the govt in China, HK & Singapore not controlling well and balancing the demand vs supply, a fall is very likely. Touchwood.
I'm sure PAP would like to keep all HDB prices at current level if not higher. Collecting stamp duty is 'shiok' for them.

Re highlighted portion in red. This may not be true. Eg if you have bought a good high floor unit in Viva at Novena on deferred payment, you can have a possible gain of about S$200K within 1 year with minimal cash outlay!

[ksh]

Nobody wants to talk about possibly high noise environment
from the traffic surroundings...

[new2mondrian]

No, there is a shorter way to get off the highway and into vivocity. surprised that you of all people don't know. trust me. it takes 10 minutes from west coast. You leave west coast at 9 and have coffee at coffee beans at 9:10.

illegal or otherwise, what is the way? I am interested! can pm me?