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    ITs a good thing. coz people who go and segement a landed and lease out small little rooms should be stoped
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    Quote Originally Posted by minority View Post
    ITs a good thing. coz people who go and segement a landed and lease out small little rooms should be stoped
    Landed property and big condo units will crash... a lot of people buy with the mindset tat I can rent to many groups of tenants and sub-divide there units....obscene rent they get....finally the garment is doing something ....👏👏👏👏👏

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    But one or two bedders will or even the compact 3 bedders that are designed to cater for up to 6 people will Huat!

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    Landed property and big condo units will crash... a lot of people buy with the mindset tat I can rent to many groups of tenants and sub-divide there units....obscene rent they get....finally the garment is doing something ....👏👏👏👏👏
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    But one or two bedders will or even the compact 3 bedders that are designed to cater for up to 6 people will Huat!
    That's why the logic of the new ruling seemed a bit flawed...

    Should be based on the number of bedrooms, subject to a cap of say 9 pax, similar to those for HDB.

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    What if the bedrooms are 3m x 1.5m each and they partition into 30 bedrooms?

    Current ruling is equally flawed! What if they squeeze 6 people into a mickey mouse unit of 200 sqft?

    I think adding another criteria relating min area per person (e.g. min 200 sqft per person) should be more reasonable, subject to a max cap, say 8 (like now).
    In this case, a mickey mouse unit of 300 sqft can only house 1 and not 6 people.........


    Quote Originally Posted by anythingwhatever View Post
    That's why the logic of the new ruling seemed a bit flawed...

    Should be based on the number of bedrooms, subject to a cap of say 9 pax, similar to those for HDB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    What if the bedrooms are 3m x 1.5m each and they partition into 30 bedrooms?

    Current ruling is equally flawed! What if they squeeze 6 people into a mickey mouse unit of 200 sqft?

    I think adding another criteria relating min area per person (e.g. min 200 sqft per person) should be more reasonable, subject to a max cap, say 8 (like now).
    In this case, a mickey mouse unit of 300 sqft can only house 1 and not 6 people.........
    That would be an alternative too.

    Though a MM unit should be minimally for 2 person (e.g. a pair of childless couple) lah...

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    Anyway, now that there is ruling clarity, we know what we need to do.
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    MARINE company boss Thavaseelan Kumarasamy rents rooms for his workers in three HDB flats in Boon Lay.

    It is a win-win situation for him and his employees from India. The flats are located near the shipyards in Tuas, where the men work, and are surrounded by amenities.

    Rent is also cheaper. Mr Thavaseelan pays $250 for each worker a month, compared to $300 a month at a purpose-built dorm.

    But this arrangement will end soon. From May 1 next year, non-Malaysian workers from the marine and process sectors, including the chemicals and pharmaceutical sectors, will not be allowed to live in public housing.

    "My workers like their privacy in the flats and I save cost. But I have to move them out soon," said Mr Thavaseelan, general manager of Tech Offshore Marine.

    Other new rules are forcing employers to move their foreign workers to purpose-built dorms.

    Last week, in a circular to building owners and developers, the Urban Redevelopment Authority said it would no longer allow new temporary dorms to be built in 12 industrial estates.

    These were usually converted from old factories and could be used for up to three years. But conditions tended to be cramped and dirty.

    Purpose-built dorms are generally well-maintained and come with amenities, but bosses said the rents would hike their wage bills by 20 per cent, which might be passed on to consumers, said Mr Melvin Ong, director of construction company Fonda Global.

    There are about 700 temporary dorms housing some 100,000 low-skilled foreign workers - a quarter of the 385,000 here who need accommodation.

    Another 200,000 live in purpose-built dormitories. The rest are elsewhere, such as in public housing or temporary quarters on worksites.

    Migrant worker groups have been critical of conditions in factory-converted dorms and support the new plans to house workers in proper dorms. But Migrant Workers' Centre chairman Yeo Guat Kwang said the authorities must continue to enforce standards at all types of housing, including converted dorms.

    Activists warned that some bosses may cut the salaries of workers to offset higher costs and called on the authorities to take action against unscrupulous bosses.

    "Hopefully, after more purpose-built dorms are up and running, competition will keep rents reasonable," said Mr Alex Au, vice-president of Transient Workers Count Too.

    Nine purpose-built dorms will be built over the next two years to add about 100,000 beds.

    http://www.stproperty.sg/articles-pr...flats/a/189319

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    http://www.propertyfactsheet.com/for...as-subtenants/

    Foreign workers renting hdb flats must be registered as subtenants before their addresses can be updated in the online foreign worker address service (OFWAS)

    1. The Ministry of Manpower (MOM) will be making changes to the registration of HDB residential addresses in MOM’s OFWAS, for foreign workers on Work Permits.

    2. With effect from 1 March 2016, employers must first ensure that their foreign workers have been registered as subtenants in HDB’s subletting system, before the workers’ residential addresses can be updated in OFWAS. Real estate agents and their salespersons who are appointed by home owners in the leasing out of HDB premises to foreign workers or are securing HDB premises for foreign workers on behalf of employers are advised to remind their clients to ensure that foreign workers are correctly and promptly registered in the HDB’s subletting system.

    3 MOM would also like to remind all estate agents and their salespersons of the existing regulations (refer to table below). MOM will not hesitate to take enforcement actions, against any employers who fail to register the worker in OFWAS.

    https://www.cea.gov.sg/docs/default-...e354991dc4.pdf
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    Before 15 May 2017.

    each occupant should have at least 10 sqm of space. The maximum number of occupants in a residential unit is eight, no matter how big the unit is


    This two bedroom condo rented to FW.

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    With effect from 15 May 2017, the maximum number of unrelated occupants that may be accommodated in a property is six.

    The new ruling doesn't have this old ruling limitation "each occupant should have at least 10 sqm of space. The maximum number of occupants in a residential unit is eight, no matter how big the unit is"

    More demand for One Bedroom for FW housing.

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    Why people rent condos for their FWs?
    Isn't HDB flats cheaper and can squeeze more people inside?

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Before 15 May 2017.

    each occupant should have at least 10 sqm of space. The maximum number of occupants in a residential unit is eight, no matter how big the unit is


    This two bedroom condo rented to FW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Why people rent condos for their FWs?
    Isn't HDB flats cheaper and can squeeze more people inside?
    HDB don't allow FW rental.

    More expensive to use HDB also.

    Private got free parking and cheaper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Why people rent condos for their FWs?
    Isn't HDB flats cheaper and can squeeze more people inside?
    Can at least soak in swimming pool or gym, even if it's small ones.

    Singapore hot and nowadays people more health conscious, but want comfort when they exercise.
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    Oh I see, luckily it is only for OCR private condos.
    CCR condos are just too expensive for employers and not worth to do so compared to OCR condos.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Can at least soak in swimming pool or gym, even if it's small ones.

    Singapore hot and nowadays people more health conscious, but want comfort when they exercise.

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    Not sure what you are referring to. I am talking about swim and gym.

    You mean CCR cannot swim and gym? Or landed?

    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Oh I see, luckily it is only for OCR private condos.
    CCR condos are just too expensive for employers and not worth to do so compared to OCR condos.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Oh I see, luckily it is only for OCR private condos.
    CCR condos are just too expensive for employers and not worth to do so compared to OCR condos.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Not sure what you are referring to. I am talking about swim and gym.

    You mean CCR cannot swim and gym? Or landed?
    How about RCR?

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    I mean employers will deem CCR to be too expensive and not worth it to rent for their foreign workers to stay since they have much cheaper alternative - those private condos in OCR.

    Also cheaper to rent OCR landed than CCR landed since they are much cheaper, they can (previously) squeeze 40 people into a terrace house or semi-D......

    Without these new ruling, for very large construction companies, it may be worth it to rent GCB too because they are so large and can even build addition extensions outside the main building to house >200 people.

    GCB rental may be large in absolute figure but actually much cheaper in terms of $psf in monthly rental!
    E.g. they rent for $20k pm but divide by 200 people means only $100 per person pm!


    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Not sure what you are referring to. I am talking about swim and gym.

    You mean CCR cannot swim and gym? Or landed?

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    Actually all regions are subject to same condition.

    One sharing a 9-1 private property can only rent a 6-1 unit whether it's CCR, RCR or OCR, and costs will go up by 50%

    6-1 should allow most owners to cover mortgage and other costs; I think the extra 3 is creamed off to support those landlords who have difficulties finding tenants.

    The numbers came in but dissipated with sharing. So newcomers into the system will be "forced" to manifest in speedy reduction of vacancy.

    After this phase, GLS round 2 since 2010 to 2013 should begin very soon. The bull is just around the corner!



    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    I mean employers will deem CCR to be too expensive and not worth it to rent for their foreign workers to stay since they have much cheaper alternative - those private condos in OCR.

    Also cheaper to rent OCR landed than CCR landed since they are much cheaper, they can (previously) squeeze 40 people into a terrace house or semi-D......

    Without these new ruling, for very large construction companies, it may be worth it to rent GCB too because they are so large and can even build addition extensions outside the main building to house >200 people.

    GCB rental may be large in absolute figure but actually much cheaper in terms of $psf in monthly rental!
    E.g. they rent for $20k pm but divide by 200 people means only $100 per person pm!
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    The bull is just around the corner!

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    I guess Gov is trying to save the dorm operators. Apart from FW, I can't imagine who would want to squeeze with 7 other unrelated tenants in a unit before this ruling.

    Price war in workers’ dormitories
    By Cecilia Chow / The Edge Property | November 18, 2016

    In Singapore, firms in the offshore and marine (O&M) sector were hit when crude oil prices started to fall in 2014. Keppel Corp, for example, announced last month that its O&M business shed 8,000 jobs, or 26% of its workforce, in the first nine months of the year to September. Sembcorp Marine likewise said it had laid off 8,000 workers this year.

    The slowdown in the overall economy has also affected companies in the manufacturing and construction industries. According to the Ministry of Manpower, the manufacturing sector lost 3,700 jobs in 3Q2016, marking its eighth consecutive quarter of decline. Owing to a slump in private-sector construction activity, the construction sector as a whole saw 5,200 jobs cut in 3Q2016. This contraction in construction and manufacturing is said to have affected mainly work permit holders.

    “We are the first to know when a company lays off workers because it will send us a lease termination notice,” says Shamkumar. “The challenge is to fill the vacancy. There is a penalty for early termination of a tenancy agreement, but we are flexible on that point.”

    Shamkumar is targeting to drive occupancy rate to at least 95% over the next three years. One consolation is that the government will not be releasing any more sites for new purpose- built workers’ dormitories for now, he says.

    The number of purpose-built workers’ dormitories listed on the Ministry of Manpower’s website is 54, with an aggregate of close to 250,000 beds.

    https://www.theedgeproperty.com.sg/c...99-dormitories

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    Hard to say actually.

    My colleague shares a 3BR condo rent with family members including in-laws. I believe the total number of members is 8, several of which are children.

    Under this ruling, they should still be able to rent due to relations.

    On other occasions, I have heard of multiple room rentals to separate groups (sometimes including Singaporeans), and it seems to be quite common if you visit certain sites like rentinsingapore or some Facebook sites.


    Quote Originally Posted by maisonjai View Post
    I guess Gov is trying to save the dorm operators. Apart from FW, I can't imagine who would want to squeeze with 7 other unrelated tenants in a unit before this ruling.

    Price war in workers’ dormitories
    By Cecilia Chow / The Edge Property | November 18, 2016

    In Singapore, firms in the offshore and marine (O&M) sector were hit when crude oil prices started to fall in 2014. Keppel Corp, for example, announced last month that its O&M business shed 8,000 jobs, or 26% of its workforce, in the first nine months of the year to September. Sembcorp Marine likewise said it had laid off 8,000 workers this year.

    The slowdown in the overall economy has also affected companies in the manufacturing and construction industries. According to the Ministry of Manpower, the manufacturing sector lost 3,700 jobs in 3Q2016, marking its eighth consecutive quarter of decline. Owing to a slump in private-sector construction activity, the construction sector as a whole saw 5,200 jobs cut in 3Q2016. This contraction in construction and manufacturing is said to have affected mainly work permit holders.

    “We are the first to know when a company lays off workers because it will send us a lease termination notice,” says Shamkumar. “The challenge is to fill the vacancy. There is a penalty for early termination of a tenancy agreement, but we are flexible on that point.”

    Shamkumar is targeting to drive occupancy rate to at least 95% over the next three years. One consolation is that the government will not be releasing any more sites for new purpose- built workers’ dormitories for now, he says.

    The number of purpose-built workers’ dormitories listed on the Ministry of Manpower’s website is 54, with an aggregate of close to 250,000 beds.

    https://www.theedgeproperty.com.sg/c...99-dormitories
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Can at least soak in swimming pool or gym, even if it's small ones.

    Singapore hot and nowadays people more health conscious, but want comfort when they exercise.
    that means the cooling measures will help to ease the mickey mouse oversupply?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter View Post
    that means the cooling measures will help to ease the mickey mouse oversupply?
    I think support HDB and other medium sized condo more.

    Most who opt for MM don't tend to have more than 3 tenants.

    Not that oversupplied nowadays also with many people living singly or couple.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    I think support HDB and other medium sized condo more.

    Most who opt for MM don't tend to have more than 3 tenants.

    Not that oversupplied nowadays also with many people living singly or couple.
    as bro arcachon pointed out, NOW they can kekeke. 6 to a 1 bedder of 3xx sq ft. lol. > 5% yield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter View Post
    as bro arcachon pointed out, NOW they can kekeke. 6 to a 1 bedder of 3xx sq ft. lol. > 5% yield.
    They always could have done that. But seldom see 4 persons staying in a 40 sqm space. Mainly retirees and single with kids or married without kids.

    Or maybe I was frog in the well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    They always could have done that. But seldom see 4 persons staying in a 40 sqm space. Mainly retirees and single with kids or married without kids.

    Or maybe I was frog in the well.
    old rules was min. 10 sq m. per pax so it was capped at 4 for 400 sq ft but now with the new rules, there's economies of scale.

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    Here in SG we are grouching about not enough space when each of us probably have 25sqm or more.

    There we have people willing to take 7 sqm per pax.

    Interesting.

    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter View Post
    old rules was min. 10 sq m. per pax so it was capped at 4 for 400 sq ft but now with the new rules, there's economies of scale.
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Their policy looks great but when they implement all shit appear.

    Or I could be wrong, this is what they intend to help the OCR and the low budget investor.

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