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Finally, regulations to showflats to avoid misrepresentation.
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Tuesday, February 8, 2011
So it's goodbye to paper-thin walls at showflats, finally? (http://sgproptalk.blogspot.com/2011/02/so-its-goodbye-to-paper-thin-walls-at.html)
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Below is an excerpt of a BT report today:
The Ministry of National Development (MND) plans to introduce new regulations to make sure that developers build showflats that accurately represent the actual units in a project, sources told BT.
The move is meant to ensure that buyers are not misled by the interior design work at some showflats, which developers use to entice buyers before a residential development is completed.
Developers have been known to leave out structural walls and columns when building showflats in order to make apartments seem more spacious. Another common tactic is to avoid clearly marking where a balcony starts, which makes living rooms appear larger.
With the new rules,
Developers will be prevented from leaving out structural walls and columns from their showflats if completed units in the development will have these structures.
Structural walls in showflats will have to be on the same thickness as those in the actual homes.
Non-structural walls will have to be clearly marked out.
Showflat ceiling heights will have to be accurately reflected.
The transition from the living room to the balcony will also have to be clearly demarcated, although how this can be done is still being finalised.MND could also mandate that other essential elements such as bomb shelters and service balconies have to be present in showflats, sources added.
The ministry is likely to launch a consultation exercise within the next few weeks before finalising the new regulations. The new rules could then be implemented in the second half of this year, BT understands.
Developers BT spoke to said that the problem of misleading showflats is not all that common in Singapore.
“The bigger boys don’t really do it (build misleading showflats),” one developer said. “But it happens, especially with so many new entrants in the market.”
Of late, a few developments – including those offering mostly small, “shoebox” units – have come under criticism for having showflats with ceiling heights that are “not real”, extending living room spaces into balconies, and extensive use of glass and mirror walls in place of structural walls.
In one extreme case, an entire wall which was supposed to separate one unit’s living room from the next apartment was replaced by just masking tape on the floor – albeit high-end masking tape.
Sometimes, even sales agents who walk prospective buyers through such showflats do not know that they are not accurate representations of the completed units.
The wife and I certainly welcome the proposed new regulations for showflats, which we felt are long overdue. As long as we can remember (and this is dating way back to the 1990s), the actual completed unit of many projects seemed to be somewhat smaller than what we recalled seeing in the showflat of similar size/configuration. This is especially in relation to the bedrooms.
And it is somewhat unfair to put the blame on “new entrants in the market” – if you have been following our showflat reviews, you will find that even established players have been guilty of "vague" representations. How else can you explain the "what you see is not what you get" ceiling heights and “baby grand” straddling between the living and balcony area…?
So what is your pet peeve on the issue of showflat "misrepresentation"? To get the ball rolling, here's one of ours:
You step into a 3+Study showflat, see the frosted-glass wall separating the small Study and the adjacent walkway, and think to yourself "hey, this is an excellent idea as the last thing I need is another concrete wall that takes up additional space". But when you ask the marketing agent if the glass partition comes as an option, the response you get is "Oh, this is just ID. If you want to do this, it is subjected to approval from the condo management after you take possession of the unit, and at your own cost"...
proud owner
09-02-11, 08:40
Finally, regulations to showflats to avoid misrepresentation.
http://sgproptalk.blogspot.com/2011_02_01_archive.html
Tuesday, February 8, 2011
So it's goodbye to paper-thin walls at showflats, finally? (http://sgproptalk.blogspot.com/2011/02/so-its-goodbye-to-paper-thin-walls-at.html)
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Below is an excerpt of a BT report today:
The Ministry of National Development (MND) plans to introduce new regulations to make sure that developers build showflats that accurately represent the actual units in a project, sources told BT.
The move is meant to ensure that buyers are not misled by the interior design work at some showflats, which developers use to entice buyers before a residential development is completed.
Developers have been known to leave out structural walls and columns when building showflats in order to make apartments seem more spacious. Another common tactic is to avoid clearly marking where a balcony starts, which makes living rooms appear larger.
With the new rules,
Developers will be prevented from leaving out structural walls and columns from their showflats if completed units in the development will have these structures.
Structural walls in showflats will have to be on the same thickness as those in the actual homes.
Non-structural walls will have to be clearly marked out.
Showflat ceiling heights will have to be accurately reflected.
The transition from the living room to the balcony will also have to be clearly demarcated, although how this can be done is still being finalised.MND could also mandate that other essential elements such as bomb shelters and service balconies have to be present in showflats, sources added.
The ministry is likely to launch a consultation exercise within the next few weeks before finalising the new regulations. The new rules could then be implemented in the second half of this year, BT understands.
Developers BT spoke to said that the problem of misleading showflats is not all that common in Singapore.
“The bigger boys don’t really do it (build misleading showflats),” one developer said. “But it happens, especially with so many new entrants in the market.”
Of late, a few developments – including those offering mostly small, “shoebox” units – have come under criticism for having showflats with ceiling heights that are “not real”, extending living room spaces into balconies, and extensive use of glass and mirror walls in place of structural walls.
In one extreme case, an entire wall which was supposed to separate one unit’s living room from the next apartment was replaced by just masking tape on the floor – albeit high-end masking tape.
Sometimes, even sales agents who walk prospective buyers through such showflats do not know that they are not accurate representations of the completed units.
The wife and I certainly welcome the proposed new regulations for showflats, which we felt are long overdue. As long as we can remember (and this is dating way back to the 1990s), the actual completed unit of many projects seemed to be somewhat smaller than what we recalled seeing in the showflat of similar size/configuration. This is especially in relation to the bedrooms.
And it is somewhat unfair to put the blame on “new entrants in the market” – if you have been following our showflat reviews, you will find that even established players have been guilty of "vague" representations. How else can you explain the "what you see is not what you get" ceiling heights and “baby grand” straddling between the living and balcony area…?
So what is your pet peeve on the issue of showflat "misrepresentation"? To get the ball rolling, here's one of ours:
You step into a 3+Study showflat, see the frosted-glass wall separating the small Study and the adjacent walkway, and think to yourself "hey, this is an excellent idea as the last thing I need is another concrete wall that takes up additional space". But when you ask the marketing agent if the glass partition comes as an option, the response you get is "Oh, this is just ID. If you want to do this, it is subjected to approval from the condo management after you take possession of the unit, and at your own cost"...
should also ensure that brochures reflect the real environment outside the condo ...
also see greenery and unblocked view ... when all neighbouring high rise have been deliberately omitted ...misleading foreign buyers
I am glad the ministry has finally reacted for these issues.
I remembered many years ago when I was a greenhorn:doh: , I tot that all the units comes with wall papers etc etc..
Maybe we should start a list of things that may have been misrepresented:
1) Paper thin walls/missing walls
2) Super high ceilings
3) Missing toilet shower glassdoor (gives u an impression that the toilet is 'spacious')
4) Planter box areas fully decorated with expensive timber covers (actually not included in)
5) etc etc
hope that FEO can take away those funny mattress at the showflat...
those tailored special mattress, only with two inches thickness for the head, resting at the baywindow...can cannot find bedsheets...
should also ensure that brochures reflect the real environment outside the condo ...
also see greenery and unblocked view ... when all neighbouring high rise have been deliberately omitted ...misleading foreign buyers Ya, agree, every single project, greenery around..., and those maps that they draw are misleading, not to scale, always show MRT and amenities very near, when sometimes, there are so far away....
this practice has been around for umpteen years. don't tell me MBT or the smart bunch of scholars in URA just got to know of it.
paying millions of bucks for a bunch of jokers to come up with such a 'brilliant' suggestion. if it's up to me, i would just hit the rulebook drastically such that private MM/studio units can only be sold to elderly (like HDB), be banned from being constructed or LTV for such units be tapered down to 10-30%? surely there must be a better way to dampen demand for MM units.
this practice has been around for umpteen years. don't tell me MBT or the smart bunch of scholars in URA just got to know of it.
paying millions of bucks for a bunch of jokers to come up with such a 'brilliant' suggestion. if it's up to me, i would just hit the rulebook drastically such that private MM/studio units can only be sold to elderly (like HDB), be banned from being constructed or LTV for such units be tapered down to 10-30%? surely there must be a better way to dampen demand for MM units. Well, probably no one ( maybe high level ) complaint, so leave it status quo ma. :doh:
Wild Falcon
09-02-11, 09:32
Agree. Not only showflat. Those artist impression in the papers is a joke. Every project is surrounded by greenery or right beside the sea. The worst are those Telok Kurau project - seriously how can these be beside the sea? And those projects in Newton/Novena concrete jungle surrounded by other buildings become a sea of greenery. And d'Leedon, how can they use that "famous architect" drawings and impression to advertise in the papers when the actual design wasn't used AT ALL? Yah, there are still some "curves" in the actual design but curving at the wrong places lah. We really have to put a stop to such nonsense.
Ya, agree, every single project, greenery around..., and those maps that they draw are misleading, not to scale, always show MRT and amenities very near, when sometimes, there are so far away....
i think in today's Spore where the present govt is openly telling the public "your eyes are open" or "you only got yourself to blame" the question is where is the protection of public interest?
in recent years we repeatedly see this protection of public interest being eroded as the govt sings about "less regulation" or "let the market sort itself out" under the failed mantra of the Efficient Market Hypothesis.
buying pty is probably the biggest purchase a normal person will ever make, it is high time big businesses come under greater scrutiny than less. otherwise the govt is simply not do its job.
devilplate
09-02-11, 09:36
oredi told u guys its an artist impression mah....imagine staying next to sea....greenery....lol....
i rmb a particular project 'The acacias'....the showflat model tucked the substation at the corner....but when the project TOPed, IT actually appear right in front of a stack...imagine ur living room directly facing the substation(few metres apart only):doh:
stalingrad
09-02-11, 09:56
oredi told u guys its an artist impression mah....imagine staying next to sea....greenery....lol....
i rmb a particular project 'The acacias'....the showflat model tucked the substation at the corner....but when the project TOPed, IT actually appear right in front of a stack...imagine ur living room directly facing the substation(few metres apart only):doh:
even if the potential buyers are warned that it is just an artist impression, it is not alright for the "impression" to be too far away from reality.
minibonds, pinnacle notes, and many of structured notes are the same story. the brochure portrays them as safe, fixed-deposit-like products, and all the dirty facts were hidden in the voluminous and technical prospectuses that no one reads. when these products became worthless, MAS argued that the investors were properly warned. :doh:
Actually, if one is spending a fortune on a purchase, one must also take responsibility, due diligence and effort in evaluating all aspects.
But it is always good to ensure basic rules and 'non-cheating' is enforced.
I would like to see DIMENSIONS in the floor plans!
So what if developers have nice looking showflats with the right proportions mandated by URA if the floor plan dimensions are not printed in the brochures. I remember looking at HDB flats' floor plans and asking myself why private developers are not truthful. I know many of us are asking how do we determine that the developers are not cheating us and giving us a smaller area as stated in the brochures.
We should expose those developers who are not honest!
should also ensure that brochures reflect the real environment outside the condo ...
also see greenery and unblocked view ... when all neighbouring high rise have been deliberately omitted ...misleading foreign buyers
yah, I also love those adverts. Giant condo in the middle of a tropical forest.
Or perspectives looking down Orchard Road when the dev is in Redhill.
MND/URA should just ban:
1) the 10% allowance for balconies so that developers have more creativity to develop properties with more proportional and useful balconies instead of exploiting to the max of 10% in every new property.
2) big big air-con ledges - for what? :doh:
I am glad the ministry has finally reacted for these issues.
I remembered many years ago when I was a greenhorn:doh: , I tot that all the units comes with wall papers etc etc..
Maybe we should start a list of things that may have been misrepresented:
1) Paper thin walls/missing walls
2) Super high ceilings
3) Missing toilet shower glassdoor (gives u an impression that the toilet is 'spacious')
4) Planter box areas fully decorated with expensive timber covers (actually not included in)
5) etc etc
proud owner
09-02-11, 10:34
yah, I also love those adverts. Giant condo in the middle of a tropical forest.
Or perspectives looking down Orchard Road when the dev is in Redhill.
and babes by the pool ... very few kids running around ... but reality is :
PRC aunties swimming in T's and shorts ...and kidssssssssss everywhere ...
even the sun sets in the wrong direction haahha
so what if it is artist's impression ... it should still present a closer to reality impression ... buyers dont need to know what the artist's dream home is
Thought of buying Marina Bay Suites because from artist impression, it looks like it have full bay view. (at that time, didnt know that the artist make The Sail disappear).
devilplate
09-02-11, 10:43
Thought of buying Marina Bay Suites because from artist impression, it looks like it have full bay view. (at that time, didnt know that the artist make The Sail disappear).
haha...u r cute:D
got narrow pocketed bayview la....hahaha...just imagine is full lor
Actually, if one is spending a fortune on a purchase, one must also take responsibility, due diligence and effort in evaluating all aspects.
But it is always good to ensure basic rules and 'non-cheating' is enforced.
a layman stepping into a showflat has no idea whether the physical dimensions adhere accurately to the numbers shown in a floor plan.
how to tell if the showflat ceiling is exactly the 3m stated or exaggerated, other than getting a surveyor to measure and certify
and babes by the pool ... very few kids running around ... but reality is :
PRC aunties swimming in T's and shorts ...and kidssssssssss everywhere ...
even the sun sets in the wrong direction haahha
so what if it is artist's impression ... it should still present a closer to reality impression ... buyers dont need to know what the artist's dream home is Haha...ya..man..more like in your dreams..then can see a perfect home...
Actually in recent times before latest round of cooling measures, most pple go there without even knowing what they are buying, cos Agents always say give cheque 1st, showflat sometimes not even up, worst still went to 1 project, during VVIP preview, brochure also run out, give photocopy one.., whatever impression also dream by ourselves..haha:doh:
http://www.fareast.com.sg/FEOCorp.Web/index.aspx?page=home-prop-info&prop=260
They should also set a regulations on the contents in the advertisements. I don't think Lanai is anywhere near to Bukit Timah District/JLD. Upper Bukit Timah would be considered near.
Quote.
The Lanai is a gem of sophisticated design located in the charming neighbourhood of Hillview.
With Bukit Timah Nature Reserves on one side and Bukit Batok Nature Park on the other, the 999-year leasehold condominium is surrounded by the magnificent panorama of greenery. It is also perfectly sited between two busy hubs, the prestigious Bukit Timah District and the up-and-coming Jurong Lake District, Singapore’s newest lifestyle and commercial centre.
Unquote.
Opps... maybe my post is off topic. :D
thomastansb
09-02-11, 12:03
Singapore prize itself as free market mah.
Anyway, the worst misleading is Siglap V. You can see suddenly the whole Siglap town sank, expressway become tunnel and the sea level has risen 1 meter to nicely place that condo beside the sea.
Not forgeting MBS too. A sole tower facing the bay. MBFC, Sail, ORQ all disappear. Not disappear but transform into trees. Marina bay becomes Marina forest.
:doh::doh::doh:
this practice has been around for umpteen years. don't tell me MBT or the smart bunch of scholars in URA just got to know of it.
paying millions of bucks for a bunch of jokers to come up with such a 'brilliant' suggestion. if it's up to me, i would just hit the rulebook drastically such that private MM/studio units can only be sold to elderly (like HDB), be banned from being constructed or LTV for such units be tapered down to 10-30%? surely there must be a better way to dampen demand for MM units.
Wah! That Hillview area is near "prestigious Bukit Timah District"? From there to drive to the real "prestigious Bukit Timah District" got to drive for another 20 mins during non-peak and 45 mins during peak hours! :p
More like very near Bukit Batok HDB estate!
http://www.fareast.com.sg/FEOCorp.Web/index.aspx?page=home-prop-info&prop=260
They should also set a regulations on the contents in the advertisements. I don't think Lanai is anywhere near to Bukit Timah District/JLD. Upper Bukit Timah would be considered near.
Quote.
The Lanai is a gem of sophisticated design located in the charming neighbourhood of Hillview.
With Bukit Timah Nature Reserves on one side and Bukit Batok Nature Park on the other, the 999-year leasehold condominium is surrounded by the magnificent panorama of greenery. It is also perfectly sited between two busy hubs, the prestigious Bukit Timah District and the up-and-coming Jurong Lake District, Singapore’s newest lifestyle and commercial centre.
Unquote.
Opps... maybe my post is off topic. :D
Wah! That Hillview area is near "prestigious Bukit Timah District"? From there to drive to the real "prestigious Bukit Timah District" got to drive for another 20 mins during non-peak and 45 mins during peak hours! :p
More like very near Bukit Batok HDB estate!
Was their intention to mislead or... Quite disappointed to read it on a full colored advertisement in newspaper.
LOL!! You guys are very good leh! :scared-1:
Also indicate the graveyard and high powered sub-station? :D
Also indicate the graveyard and high powered sub-station? :D
Got graveyard? Which development?
And can they make sure developers used standard size beds? Instead of scaled down queen size or scaled down king seize bed? That mislead buyersto think the actual walkable space in the bedroom.
It is quite funny how ridiculous the developers can be in protraying their projects.
Got graveyard? Which development?
that pink bird lah..
proud owner
09-02-11, 14:54
And can they make sure developers used standard size beds? Instead of scaled down queen size or scaled down king seize bed? That mislead buyersto think the actual walkable space in the bedroom.
from past experience...it will be at least another 3-5 yrs before govt step in to enforce some control on how developers should advertise ...
like i said before ... my close friend who is agent ...always tells me to buy existing unit ..so u can see for yourself ... buying blue print may be cheaper .. but risk buying a cheap piece of crap
bargain hunter
09-02-11, 15:15
i think their prestigious bukit timah district starts from sterling there lor. LOL. :doh:
Wah! That Hillview area is near "prestigious Bukit Timah District"? From there to drive to the real "prestigious Bukit Timah District" got to drive for another 20 mins during non-peak and 45 mins during peak hours! :p
More like very near Bukit Batok HDB estate!
bargain hunter
09-02-11, 15:17
its far from both. everything they sell in that area (aka tennery) also say near JLD. :scared-4:
http://www.fareast.com.sg/FEOCorp.Web/index.aspx?page=home-prop-info&prop=260
They should also set a regulations on the contents in the advertisements. I don't think Lanai is anywhere near to Bukit Timah District/JLD. Upper Bukit Timah would be considered near.
Quote.
The Lanai is a gem of sophisticated design located in the charming neighbourhood of Hillview.
With Bukit Timah Nature Reserves on one side and Bukit Batok Nature Park on the other, the 999-year leasehold condominium is surrounded by the magnificent panorama of greenery. It is also perfectly sited between two busy hubs, the prestigious Bukit Timah District and the up-and-coming Jurong Lake District, Singapore’s newest lifestyle and commercial centre.
Unquote.
Opps... maybe my post is off topic. :D
from past experience...it will be at least another 3-5 yrs before govt step in to enforce some control on how developers should advertise ...
like i said before ... my close friend who is agent ...always tells me to buy existing unit ..so u can see for yourself ... buying blue print may be cheaper .. but risk buying a cheap piece of crap
they don't sell blueprints cheap nowadays compared to resale. More like expensive piece of crap.
francophile
09-02-11, 17:27
and babes by the pool ... very few kids running around ... but reality is :
PRC aunties swimming in T's and shorts ...and kidssssssssss everywhere ...
even the sun sets in the wrong direction haahha
so what if it is artist's impression ... it should still present a closer to reality impression ... buyers dont need to know what the artist's dream home is
You want the developer to take responsibility for the bikini babes too?lol!
francophile
09-02-11, 17:29
and I second the demand for room dimensions
from past experience...it will be at least another 3-5 yrs before govt step in to enforce some control on how developers should advertise ...
like i said before ... my close friend who is agent ...always tells me to buy existing unit ..so u can see for yourself ... buying blue print may be cheaper .. but risk buying a cheap piece of crap
nobody check at BCA? heard that they sell blueprints of projects. True or not?
nobody check at BCA? heard that they sell blueprints of projects. True or not?
True. but not everybody can buy. Has to be owner.:)
Hi, May I know if the floorplan is drawn to scale proportionally? Cos I heard from designer that they can quote based on floorplans of project as the floorplans are drawn to scale.. Usually the floorplan include 3 seater, 4 seater dining tables so the impression is real and we can roughly gauge the leg space of bedroom with a queen bed??
Hi, May I know if the floorplan is drawn to scale proportionally? Cos I heard from designer that they can quote based on floorplans of project as the floorplans are drawn to scale.. Usually the floorplan include 3 seater, 4 seater dining tables so the impression is real and we can roughly gauge the leg space of bedroom with a queen bed??
Floor plans are drawn to scale. Furniture may or may not be to scale though. Developers might downsize the furniture to make the plans look bigger. The safer bet to base your scale on might be the doors, even that can be sub-standard. The even safer bet would escape staircases, because no developer will build a staircase wider then regulation (usually 1m wide).
Be careful of distortions to the plans, horizontally or vertically. The tell-tale clues is when you see doors at 90 degrees to each other look different.:)
Make developer display with measuring tape!!
I believed the surveyed result of completed projects upon TOP, so long as it is +/- 3% of the area sold stated in the S&P is ok
I have seen many show flats as well as model of the development showing gross mis-representations.
One example is the size of the land relative to the actual size of the tower blocks. There is potential to mis-represent the openness and the green areas when you are in fact surrounded by walls.
Another is the location of the electric sub-station next to a unit is often not shown in the model or the brochures.
Also I have asked for actual engineering drawings in the show flat but the sales team said that the developer does not permit any potential buyer to even view actual drawings.
It is about time the government does something;-)
yeah. they even remove some blocks as if they don't exist.:tsk-tsk:
kingkong1984
09-02-11, 21:30
Let ur imagination run wild. So spacious..... Model is not accurate most of the time.
kingkong1984
09-02-11, 21:32
Make developer display with measuring tape!!
Technical drawings.. HDB floor plans showed the exact dimensions. Why u dun see it in condo floor plans?
yeah. they even remove some blocks as if they don't exist.:tsk-tsk:
Yeah they remove some blocks in the middle of the development to make it appear "spacious".
Wild Falcon
09-02-11, 22:18
I find the description fair. You're probably not familiar to the locality. It just says that it is located in between the 2 hubs - Bukit Timah and Jurong. Hillview is very short drive 2 min drive to Jurong (cut through Bt Batok) and also very short drive to Bukit Timah. If u see the signpost on Hillview MRT construction, Hillview to King Albert Park and 6th Ave is 4 min and 6 min by public transport (MRT). A 4 min public transport away is close enough. There are worse description. If you take issue with that, then those East Coast a "stone's throw" to IR and Novena stone's throw to Raffles Place will be worse right? And Upper Bukit Timah is between Bukit Timah and Jurong - it is factual. You can't fault them for a factual statement. The "stone's throw" to IR then is untrue.
http://www.fareast.com.sg/FEOCorp.Web/index.aspx?page=home-prop-info&prop=260
They should also set a regulations on the contents in the advertisements. I don't think Lanai is anywhere near to Bukit Timah District/JLD. Upper Bukit Timah would be considered near.
Quote.
The Lanai is a gem of sophisticated design located in the charming neighbourhood of Hillview.
With Bukit Timah Nature Reserves on one side and Bukit Batok Nature Park on the other, the 999-year leasehold condominium is surrounded by the magnificent panorama of greenery. It is also perfectly sited between two busy hubs, the prestigious Bukit Timah District and the up-and-coming Jurong Lake District, Singapore’s newest lifestyle and commercial centre.
Unquote.
Opps... maybe my post is off topic. :D
Nowhere is hillview near Jurong, for Bt batok even if u drive fast n no traffic lights still need at least 5min drive to reach Jurong east for hillview area add another 5 to 10min
I find the description fair. You're probably not familiar to the locality. It just says that it is located in between the 2 hubs - Bukit Timah and Jurong. Hillview is very short drive 2 min drive to Jurong (cut through Bt Batok) and also very short drive to Bukit Timah. If u see the signpost on Hillview MRT construction, Hillview to King Albert Park and 6th Ave is 4 min and 6 min by public transport (MRT). A 4 min public transport away is close enough. There are worse description. If you take issue with that, then those East Coast a "stone's throw" to IR and Novena stone's throw to Raffles Place will be worse right? And Upper Bukit Timah is between Bukit Timah and Jurong - it is factual. You can't fault them for a factual statement. The "stone's throw" to IR then is untrue.
Yup. Stone's throw literally refers to how far one can throw a stone (not more than 200metres) - so those who say East Coast is stone's throw to IR better prove it with their arm...
Nowhere is hillview near Jurong, for Bt batok even if u drive fast n no traffic lights still need at least 5min drive to reach Jurong east for hillview area add another 5 to 10min
MIA for a while, go where huat? :D :D
Yup. Stone's throw literally refers to how far one can throw a stone (not more than 200metres) - so those who say East Coast is stone's throw to IR better prove it with their arm...
The incredible hulk sure can stone throw from jurong to changi:D
MIA for a while, go where huat? :D :D
Bo Huat ah , waiting for my 10m toto next fri to Huat x3
I've been reading all threads everyday but silent reader, alot mud slinging going on around some threads which though I've nothing to comment about them, does make for some pretty amusing reads sometimes :D
And since stupid Jan 14 measures very difficult to Huat now,nw just waiting for ppty to top n see whether can sell or not, get out then pray hard for crash then can buy again but I tink very difficult to see major correction now
Bo Huat ah , waiting for my 10m toto next fri to Huat x3
I've been reading all threads everyday but silent reader, alot mud slinging going on around some threads which though I've nothing to comment about them, does make for some pretty amusing reads sometimes :D
Ur caspian kana shit like hell.....:hell-hath-no-fury: :D
I have seen many show flats as well as model of the development showing gross mis-representations.
One example is the size of the land relative to the actual size of the tower blocks. There is potential to mis-represent the openness and the green areas when you are in fact surrounded by walls.
Another is the location of the electric sub-station next to a unit is often not shown in the model or the brochures.
Also I have asked for actual engineering drawings in the show flat but the sales team said that the developer does not permit any potential buyer to even view actual drawings.
It is about time the government does something;-)
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In term of Engineering drawing, I have never seen it in showrooms. On this point, SG developers do poorer than the developers in China - I did find that engineering drawing had been printed in the brochure.
Actually, there is easy way to prevent mispresentation
For buyers, do not buy "paper house", buy house that that have completely built and buy what you see.
For government, stop developers to sell "paper house. They are only allowed to sell completely built house. The condition is that the government really wants to protect buyers. I don't think it will do so.
Ur caspian kana shit like hell.....:hell-hath-no-fury: :D
hahaha yeah loh... nvm ah, peace, everyone is here to share views and huat together, so its ok to me :sleep: we'll know when it TOP next year, hopefully can see some gains
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For government, stop developers to sell "paper house. They are only allowed to sell completely built house. The condition is that the government really wants to protect buyers. I don't think it will do so.
not possible. developers need to repay bank loans and pay contractors to build too. they will need to sell the project to a certain percentage to start constructing. it boils down to cash flow.
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In term of Engineering drawing, I have never seen it in showrooms. On this point, SG developers do poorer than the developers in China - I did find that engineering drawing had been printed in the brochure.
Actually, there is easy way to prevent mispresentation
For buyers, do not buy "paper house", buy house that that have completely built and buy what you see.
For government, stop developers to sell "paper house. They are only allowed to sell completely built house. The condition is that the government really wants to protect buyers. I don't think it will do so.
Support! Because I fear of buying the wrong house, I end up opt for resale market, where you can see the actual product. And Im really glad about my choice, though its more expensive.
devilplate
10-02-11, 11:17
Support! Because I fear of buying the wrong house, I end up opt for resale market, where you can see the actual product. And Im really glad about my choice, though its more expensive.
more expensive as in u bot those newly TOPed project?? yes...newly TOPed is the MOST EX!
actually, 1 or 2 years after completion not a bad time. Premium for "newness" is gone, but still quite new. No difference if you're renting out. Some will even come with tenants :D
kingkong1984
10-02-11, 20:52
Most people prefer new.
Dun like to be associated with some owners with bad background
Most people prefer new.
Dun like to be associated with some owners with bad background
For own stay maybe... but for rental, who cares....:beats-me-man:
So why pay the premium?
kingkong1984
10-02-11, 21:05
For own stay maybe... but for rental, who cares....:beats-me-man:
So why pay the premium?
Oh yes, for rental, buy better furnished ones. Save a lot of money.
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