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Hi guys,
Do you still remember which minister propose to build nuclear plant in Singapore?
I would be the first one to migrate!
Allthepies
15-03-11, 13:00
Hi guys,
Do you still remember which minister propose to build nuclear plant in Singapore?
I would be the first one to migrate!
the minister who brought this up must be quite short-sighted, willing to sacrifice survivability for some economical benefits.... :doh:
I dont mind building power plant in singapore or indonesia.
as long as president, prime minister, owner/ceo of the nuclear plant stay within 500m of the nuclear plant. family also stay there.
even after retirement from public office, would also there.
would ensure no cost cuttings or shoddy constructions.:2cents:
http://www.asiaone.com/News/AsiaOne+News/Singapore/Story/A1Story20101102-245235.html
Singapore may get nuclear power plant
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Tue, Nov 02, 2010
my paper
BY SUJIN THOMAS
IT MAY be a long time before any decision is taken on nuclear energy but Singapore should ready itself to do so, said Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong yesterday.
He said that preparations would give the country the ability to exercise such an option should this become necessary and feasible one day.
Mr Lee was delivering the Singapore Energy Lecture for the first time at the Suntec Ballroom where he referred to nuclear energy as an "important part of the solution to mankind's energy problems".
The lecture was held as part of the annual Singapore International Energy Week.
He was speaking to an audience of about 800 people made up of businessmen, industry experts and government officials.
Mr Lee said that several countries in South-east Asia have expressed their intention to build nuclear power plants - a challenge which will be faced even more by developing countries than developed ones.
For Singapore, he raised concerns such as safety due to the country's small size, which stretches about 40km from east to west.
He said: "It's very difficult to put it (a nuclear power plant) very far from population because nobody in Singapore is far from population.
"Yet we cannot afford to dismiss the option of nuclear energy altogether."
As part of building up its capabilities, Singapore should keep up with new developments and learn from the experiences of other countries.
The country should also get in touch with experts in the field of nuclear energy and train a few of its own experts in the field.
He added: "Then we can critically assess developments in nuclear technology and decide on the feasibility of nuclear-power deployment one day in the future."
When he called for questions from the floor, Mr Lee was asked if it would happen during his time in office.
He replied: "I would say possibly during my lifetime."
Earlier on, he said that Singapore, which he referred to as "an alternative energy-disadvantaged country", is readying itself for a future world which will be fossil fuel-constrained and carbon- constrained.
He said that the country would have to put a price on carbon if a global agreement to curb carbon emissions is reached.
This additional charge - which all businesses and consumers must pay - will reflect the social costs of carbon emissions and is needed to induce consumers to change their behaviour.
Mr Lee did not specify whether it would come in the form of a carbon tax or cap-and-trade scheme.
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I guess it will happen after elections 2011.
It will be PM Lee's most expensive pet project after YOG.
This is the most talented solution that Singaporeans pay him $4 million a year for.
or is it easy way out ?
Singaporeans should be prepared to pay the full cost and consequence of building a nuclear power plant.
blackjack21trader
15-03-11, 15:17
By 2015, oil will be so obscenely cheap that all nuclear plants shall become white elephants. My angmo kakis are all ready to dump their oil stocks once the middle east unrests subsides, so they say.
:doh:
What will the nuclear plant do for us, despite the risk? Will it mean lower electricity prices? How much lower?:confused:
If it means less dependency on oil, it might be worth considering. Afterall, we're already drinking our own pee in the form of newater, to cut dependency on malaysia for water. :eek:
Don't think it is likely until indonesia and malaysia gets one.... that way they can't complain about us getting one.....:p
At least singapore is earthquake free...:)
But indonesia is earthquake prone....:scared-3:
What will the nuclear plant do for us, despite the risk? Will it mean lower electricity prices? How much lower?:confused:
If it means less dependency on oil, it might be worth considering. Afterall, we're already drinking our own pee in the form of newater, to cut dependency on malaysia for water. :eek:
Don't think it is likely until indonesia and malaysia gets one.... that way they can't complain about us getting one.....:p
At least singapore is earthquake free...:)
But indonesia is earthquake prone....:scared-3:
Singapore too small, if we hv nuclear reactor and for some reason if there is a safety lapse or disaster which impact in nuclear meltdown, we will self destruct...we don't even have the 20km radius to evacuate to, certainly not on mainland Singapore to....:scared-3:
Well.. safer to continue to buy energy.... than having a plant in our ISLAND ..
:spliff2:
devilplate
16-03-11, 10:53
What will the nuclear plant do for us, despite the risk? Will it mean lower electricity prices? How much lower?:confused:
If it means less dependency on oil, it might be worth considering. Afterall, we're already drinking our own pee in the form of newater, to cut dependency on malaysia for water. :eek:
Don't think it is likely until indonesia and malaysia gets one.... that way they can't complain about us getting one.....:p
At least singapore is earthquake free...:)
But indonesia is earthquake prone....:scared-3:
u r right....indo dun hf yet...hopefully forever dun hf...
anyone can cfm msia dun hf nuclear plant?
devilplate
16-03-11, 10:54
Well.. safer to continue to buy energy.... than having a plant in our ISLAND ..
:spliff2:
i rather pay higher prices for crude oil....can do some hedging as well...haha:D
Regulators
16-03-11, 12:26
whichever minister that propose nuclear plant in singapore is a freaking idiot!! A nuclear leak could kill the entire population.
devilplate
16-03-11, 12:29
whichever minister that propose nuclear plant in singapore is a freaking idiot!! A nuclear leak could kill the entire population.
rest assured....after this crisis....nobody dares to mention it again:D :cheers6: :cheers1:
Building a nuclear plant in Singapore is just not for generating electricity.
It is for defense also. It will be part of poison pill defense strategy - to make it unattractive for neighbours to attack.
Remember who are Singapore's neighbours, will they be affected? Yes.
And please google the "Masada option" and "Samson option".
Please Think.
Dont be so fast to criticise your government. They are much more intelligent than you give them credit for.
Just a proposal.... need to monitor further, crudes are running low in supplies in the future maybe in the future will have better nuclear plants.
US going to to come out Economic Simplified Boiling Water Reactor (ESBWR).
Building a nuclear plant in Singapore is just not for generating electricity.
It is for defense also. It will be part of poison pill defense strategy - to make it unattractive for neighbours to attack.
Remember who are Singapore's neighbours, will they be affected? Yes.
And please google the "Masada option" and "Samson option".
Please Think.
Dont be so fast to criticise your government. They are much more intelligent than you give them credit for.
Why don't you write in to the states times forum page and REACH to show your support for LHL and his idea of a nuclear plant in Spore? They will gladly publish your letter.
Why don't you write in to the states times forum page and REACH to show your support for LHL and his idea of a nuclear plant in Spore? They will gladly publish your letter.
Of course, now is not a good time to discuss the nuclear power station, with what have happened in Japan. It would be a public relations disaster.
But rest assured, a nuclear station will be built.
I think the government is piss off with me right now, but if they pass me off as a raving lunatic, then nobody would take me seriously ;).
So people will just think nuclear power station is only for generating electricity and not part of defense strategy.
i think nuclear powerplant is a-go
believe me, since they brought it up n say 'won't rule out'.. they will build.. it's just a matter of when?
for now, they will juz kiv only n avoid the whole subject..
or unless they r not ruling party anymore.. but unlikely
Wild Falcon
17-03-11, 11:35
Your undying support with zero doubt is amazing.
Building a nuclear plant in Singapore is just not for generating electricity.
It is for defense also. It will be part of poison pill defense strategy - to make it unattractive for neighbours to attack.
Remember who are Singapore's neighbours, will they be affected? Yes.
And please google the "Masada option" and "Samson option".
Please Think.
Dont be so fast to criticise your government. They are much more intelligent than you give them credit for.
Wild Falcon
17-03-11, 11:40
One has to measure the risk of a WW3/cost reduction vs a nuclear leak/meltdown. And from what we could see, the probability of a leak/meltdown is higher than WW3. Oil and gas can still last for generations. The worst part is Singapore is so small, we can't even evacuate like Japan. All of us would have to charter flights out of the country - imagine the chaos. And we all know, foreigners and elites will be given priority - and bear in mind, foreigners/PR is already like 50% of our population. The lowly Singaporeans wil be left behind to save their loved ones and to die or become deformed.
And I think the idea of buliding a nuclear plant for "defense" is stupid. See who die first when your enemy bomb your nuclear plant. Don't believe every propaganda u read in the Straits Times.
i think nuclear powerplant is a-go
believe me, since they brought it up n say 'won't rule out'.. they will build.. it's just a matter of when?
for now, they will juz kiv only n avoid the whole subject..
or unless they r not ruling party anymore.. but unlikely
One has to measure the risk of a WW3/cost reduction vs a nuclear leak/meltdown. And from what we could see, the probability of a leak/meltdown is higher than WW3. Oil and gas can still last for generations. The worst part is Singapore is so small, we can't even evacuate like Japan. All of us would have to charter flights out of the country - imagine the chaos. And we all know, foreigners and elites will be given priority - and bear in mind, foreigners/PR is already like 50% of our population. The lowly Singaporeans wil be left behind to save their loved ones and to die or become deformed.
And I think the idea of buliding a nuclear plant for "defense" is stupid. See who die first when your enemy bomb your nuclear plant. Don't believe every propaganda u read in the Straits Times.
can read this post long time ago. surprise nobody refute.
Either it is very stupid everybody ignore or it is like saying the sun rises in the east, nobody can argue.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=10363
devilplate
17-03-11, 12:39
how many of us actually serve NS with PRIDE?
devilplate
17-03-11, 12:41
can read this post long time ago. surprise nobody refute.
Either it is very stupid everybody ignore or it is like saying the sun rises in the east, nobody can argue.
http://forums.condosingapore.com/showthread.php?t=10363
not bad leh....u sure u only NTU pass wif merit? hehe
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And I think the idea of buliding a nuclear plant for "defense" is stupid. See who die first when your enemy bomb your nuclear plant. Don't believe every propaganda u read in the Straits Times.
I don't think Straits Times ever publish any article about nuclear plant for "defense". I don't know. Mostly not in Singapore.
In fact, I would be amazed if they ever published.
Every Israeli Jews know about the Masada option and Samson option and they accepted their eventual fate should Israel ever fall by victorious Arab armies.
I dont think Singaporeans would ever accept these 2 options. :2cents:.
Better to keep the masses ignorant. Let the government elites bear the burden of leadership.
not bad leh....u sure u only NTU pass wif merit? hehe
yup, passed only with merit. That's why my property investment strategy very simple. After URA PPI falls a lot in recession, and when it rise up again for 1-2 qtrs. Show hand. That's it. Actually quite embarassed to reveal such simple strategy to professional investors here. :ashamed1:.
devilplate
17-03-11, 13:23
yup, passed only with merit. That's why my property investment strategy very simple. After URA PPI falls a lot in recession, and when it rise up again for 1-2 qtrs. Show hand. That's it. Actually quite embarassed to reveal such simple strategy to professional investors here. :ashamed1:.
lets see ur exit strategy den...sold one liao...
i think nuclear powerplant is a-go
believe me, since they brought it up n say 'won't rule out'.. they will build.. it's just a matter of when?
for now, they will juz kiv only n avoid the whole subject..
or unless they r not ruling party anymore.. but unlikely
Another reason to vote for opposition.
I am not a kind of guy who protest but if PAP really blindly copy and paste solutions from other countries and wants to build nuclear plant in Singapore, I will protest for the sake of my loved ones and future generations of Singapore.
Nuclear plant is no joke.
Now even advanced nations after seeing Japan nuclear disaster are relooking and reassessing the pros and cons of keeping nuclear plants.
It means in the first place, these countries build nuclear plants after being attracted by the surface benefits without thoroughly assessing the consequences of it.
Now Japan is the guinea pig of nuclear plant disaster and the entire world is watching what happens next because after Chernobyl, there is no solutions that does not need to sacrifice millions of lives.
Everybody is trying to leave Japan.
It was trendy to go nuclear in the 1980s during Cold War period but not now.
:simmering: :simmering: :simmering:
even without earthquake, tsunami and air-tight security procedures ... do you know 1 nuclear reactor produce how many tons of nuclear waste per year ? now, multiply by no of reactors.
once you produce a waste that is unbearable, who is going to "take in" your waste ... JB / Batam ?
you spend millions to protect the nuclear plant but not the waste warehouse. 1 mistake at the warehouse, you and many more generations are doomed including neighbouring countries.
use a tanker and ship the nuclear waste to open sea and dump into the ocean?
taiwan store nuclear waste in a poor village after failing to ship the waste to N. Korea & China
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/20/taiwan-nuclear-waste-stor_n_189110.html
I support building the Nuke plant provided it built just beside that minister"s house. If he cannot accept that, why should we.
He jump, we jump.
If he dun't jump but want us to jump. :tsk-tsk:
Dun't come and talk big "this is for national sake..." blah blah blah...
:2cents:
Once this nuclear plant is built, property prices for entire Singapore will dropped.
Look at Japan, everyone is leaving.
Hurrah.
Regulators
26-03-11, 01:26
They are out of their freaking mind. People like WKS can't even keep a terrorist like Mas Selamat from escaping from a detention centre, how can people trust them to prevent a nuclear leak. It takes just one accident to wipe out the entire population of Singapore. If they set up a plant in Singapore, I vow to sell every asset I have and leave the country for good. I won't take back my words.
devilplate
26-03-11, 01:38
They are out of their freaking mind. People like WKS can't even keep a terrorist like Mas Selamat from escaping from a detention centre, how can people trust them to prevent a nuclear leak. It takes just one accident to wipe out the entire population of Singapore. If they set up a plant in Singapore, I vow to sell every asset I have and leave the country for good. I won't take back my words.
There is another form of nuclear plant.... Thorium
There is another form of nuclear plant.... Thorium
an article expounding thorium:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8393984/Safe-nuclear-does-exist-and-China-is-leading-the-way-with-thorium.html
sounds like a wonderful alternative!
read further below for the users' comments though (? true to what extent):
thorium reactors produce uranium-232, which is a strong gamma ray emitter. This means that the material can't be safely handled with current methods since it takes a lot more than a little bit of lead to stop a gamma ray.
The people who approved and build the nuclear plant assured Japanese all will be fine.
These same group of people did nothing when the nuclear plant accident happen.
Either they are dead or retired but no resposibility given to them so the present government and people suffer.
I see pros outweigh cons.
Now Wanbao even report radiation can be felt as far as Iceland.
Singapore is too small for nuclear risks.
Everything has a risk and this risk is too much for Singapore to bear.
I hope the 4 million dollar PM Lee can find uniquely Singapore better solutions rather than copy and paste other countries solutions.
Risk is a funny thing. Hard to define and harder to quantify.
For example closer to home,
Fixed deposit is supposedly safer than stocks,forex,bonds.
Yet at the end of the day, it is riskier as fixed deposit cannot beat inflation, hence what is initially a safe instrument turns out to be an unsafe instrument.
So back to nuclear plant question.
All of you talk about the risk of having a nuclear plant.
What about the risk of not having a nuclear plant?
Risk is a funny thing. Hard to define and harder to quantify.
For example closer to home,
Fixed deposit is supposedly safer than stocks,forex,bonds.
Yet at the end of the day, it is riskier as fixed deposit cannot beat inflation, hence what is initially a safe instrument turns out to be an unsafe instrument.
So back to nuclear plant question.
All of you talk about the risk of having a nuclear plant.
What about the risk of not having a nuclear plant?
To me risk of having nuclear power outweighs risk of not having nuclear power.
No nuclear for me, you might differ though. That is your right.
To me risk of having nuclear power outweighs risk of not having nuclear power.
No nuclear for me, you might differ though. That is your right.
so can you elaborate on the risk of not having nuclear power?
so can you elaborate on the risk of not having nuclear power?
Why don't you elaborate since you brought up this question.
Maybe you can look around the present environment since we are not using nuclear power yet, let us know if you notice any risk of no nuclear power today.
The risk of having nuclear power is already well documented and visible by latest Japanese accident.
For me, knowing the risk of nuclear power alone is enough for me to oppose it.
No matter how much assurance or scare tactic government give, I oppose nuclear power plant in Singapore.
i agree.. we cant risk it.. sg too small.. having a single mishap.. that is it.. sg is out of world map.. sgporeans r extinct..
Sidetrack a bit but still related to the discussion on nuclear power...... Have you guys read this 'children's book', City of Ember, which had been made into a movie as well?
If you have not read the book or watch the movie, I recommend that you do so. And read the sequels too if you think you can handle the truth about a future without fossil fuel and other source of manmade energy.
http://www.jeanneduprau.com/books.shtml
The message is simple.
Pride + Ego + Politics + Nuclear power = destruction of mankind and Earth
It's Earth day today. Think about your children and future generations. Then decide what you must do to leave them a world that they can still live in.
Regulators
26-03-11, 16:07
Biofuel is the way to go, not nuclear. Too much will be at stake if we run on nuclear
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Pride + Ego + Politics + Nuclear power = destruction of mankind and Earth
It's Earth day today. Think about your children and future generations. Then decide what you must do to leave them a world that they can still live in.
it is the easy to think and decide. earn more money NOW. upgrade social status to UHNW and above. the wealthy and the powerful always enjoy the best. if poor, well suffer the effect of the degraded environment.
Biofuel is the way to go, not nuclear. Too much will be at stake if we run on nuclear
I like biofuel, CPO (and other vegetable oils) prices up up and away :cheers1:.
it is the easy to think and decide. earn more money NOW. upgrade social status to UHNW and above. the wealthy and the powerful always enjoy the best. if poor, well suffer the effect of the degraded environment.
What use is $$$ when u find that everything around you is destroyed? I came upon a Cree Indian Prophecy that reads:
Only when the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, only if the last fish has been caught, only then you find that money cannot be eaten.
Don't read me wrong. I'll be a hypocrite if I say I do not want more $. What I am advocating here is that when you are spending $$$ to buy some happiness, make sure you ask your self if you really need it and if it is gonna kill the future generation faster than expected.
Too much will be at stake if we run on nuclear
Agree. We don't need to die faster than necessary. Neither does Earth.
Agree. We don't need to die faster than necessary. Neither does Earth.
Like casinos, nuclear plant will happen after GE 2011.
They will go through a process of wayang before concluding it must be build.
Good luck.
if ever there was a need for protest or demonstration for a good cause in sg.. this is it!! nuclear is NO NO in sg..
our geographical size can never prepare for any nuclear incident
have been reading up on chernobyl.. sad:(
http://www.kiddofspeed.com/default.htm
abt " elena's " ride in ghost town chernobyl
the only consolation if nuclear power plant was built and mishap happen..
the entire population won't be wiped out.. at least our local roaches will live on..:scared-5:
What use is $$$ when u find that everything around you is destroyed? I came upon a Cree Indian Prophecy that reads:
Only when the last tree has been cut down, Only after the last river has been poisoned, only if the last fish has been caught, only then you find that money cannot be eaten.
......
Did the Cree Indian prophesized their own demise by the coming of White Man with thunder sticks?
talk cock only la..if neuclur plant is built...those foreigners who claim got investment in singapore and support P*P garment so as to protect the investment will be the first one to sell and leave....:D
Did the Cree Indian prophesized their own demise by the coming of White Man with thunder sticks?
This I do not know, as i do not really care enough to take every prophecy seriously. ;)
But when I come upon one or two quotes that are sound and makes sense, I try and live by what it teaches.
http://sg.finance.yahoo.com/news/Singapore-nuclear-decision-afpsg-4151473897.html?x=0
Singapore nuclear decision "long way away": government
Singapore is "a long way away" from a decision on whether to include nuclear power as part of its energy policy, a senior government official said on Monday.
S. Iswaran, the Senior Minister of State for Trade and Industry, said a "pre-feasibility study" was being carried out in order to "better understand the complex field of nuclear energy."
But "even with the completion of the pre-feasibility study, we will still be a long way away from making any decisions on nuclear energy for Singapore per se," Iswaran told parliament.
He said the crisis at Japan's Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant, which was crippled by the March 11 quake and tsunami, made it even more crucial for Singapore to embark on the study.
Insights gained from the study will enable Singapore to understand the industry better since its neighbours including Vietnam, Malaysia and Indonesia have indicated plans to use atomic power.
"Even if we do not proceed with nuclear energy for Singapore, we need to understand its implications for the region and for us in Singapore," Iswaran said.
The city-state currently generates its power from oil and gas fired power stations.
The month-old nuclear plant crisis in Japan has triggered concerns globally on the use of nuclear power plants to supplement existing energy sources.
But Iswaran said nuclear power cannot be ruled out as an option because of the world's growing thirst for increasingly scarce energy supplies.
How about 1 nuclear plant in Johor Bahru and another one in Batam!
Hoseh!!!! Singapore is sandwich in between ... anything happen that is!
Time for an exit plan!
since we r surrounded by them.. might as well build la.. any one of them blow up.. all perish together la
since we r surrounded by them.. might as well build la.. any one of them blow up.. all perish together la
Oh, you are a convert to the samson option?
http://sg.news.yahoo.com/blogs/singaporescene/no-decision-made-nuclear-energy-pm-lee-034828563.html
No decision made on nuclear energy: PM Lee
Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong said on Wednesday that the Government has made "no decision" on nuclear energy but that it is an important issue for the country in the long term.
He was responding to a question on whether he had discussed the issue of nuclear power with German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who is in town on a two-day visit.
Dr Merkel's visit comes days after she made the announcement on Monday that Germany will shut all of its 17 nuclear power plants by 2022. The country also outlined an ambitious strategy to abandon nuclear energy over the next eleven years.
This after the issue of nuclear energy as a safe and viable alternative source of energy has been called into question in the wake of Japan's recent Fukushima nuclear meltdown.
Giving his take on the nuclear energy issue, PM Lee said, "It is an immediate issue for Germany, and is a significant issue for Singapore really for the longer term. We have made no decision on nuclear energy."
"We need to understand it because I think this is something, a subject that will not go away. And even if we don't do nuclear energy, our neighbours will do nuclear energy and we need to study the implications for us."
Saying that both leaders had a "very good discussion", PM Lee added that the visit showed the strength of the bilateral relations, The Straits Times reported.
And Dr Merkel's visit clearly showed the German's interest in strengthening its investments, ties and engagement in South-east Asia and Singapore, he added.
PM Lee said that there were also more opportunities to build on the relationship of both countries and this includes collaborating in fields such as research and development as well as green technology.
Dr Merkel also announced a new exchange programme that will enable scientists to conduct their work in research centres on both sides.
During their hour-long meeting at the Istana, both leaders also discussed on issues surrounding Singapore, Asia and Europe, as well as broader topics such as the International Monetary Fund (IMF), the World Bank and financial market regulations.
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