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radha08
24-12-11, 20:27
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/property-management-news/2011/12/31961/majority-of-s-poreans-still-feel-homes-too-expensi

kane
24-12-11, 20:40
I believe they didn't survey those queuing at bedok residences.

radha08
24-12-11, 20:44
I believe they didn't survey those queuing at bedok residences.

all those now shivering cannot interview...:D

peterng8
24-12-11, 20:54
all those now shivering cannot interview...:D


they say say only..when new launch come they will still bite at the price offered to them with gusto...:o

kane
24-12-11, 20:56
all those now shivering cannot interview...:D

Ok, go interview those going to for rainforest.

ikan bilis
24-12-11, 20:59
"Homes too expensive... "


umm.... then why cm1-cm5 still needed there ??.. :rolleyes:

hyenergix
24-12-11, 21:17
My plate of duck rice is also very expensive. Now need to pay minimum $4 for the same $3 portion just 1-2 years back. We need CM1 for our food.

kane
24-12-11, 21:20
My plate of duck rice is also very expensive. Now need to pay minimum $4 for the same $3 portion just 1-2 years back. We need CM1 for our food.

they did a 6 months CM on your food sometime middle this year. lol.

hyenergix
24-12-11, 21:23
they did a 6 months CM on your food sometime middle this year. lol.

Really? No effect AT ALL! Vivian must come out with CM2 for hawker food! :mad:

kane
24-12-11, 21:55
Really? No effect AT ALL! Vivian must come out with CM2 for hawker food! :mad:

that campaign to maintain prices leh, for 6 months......

the need CM on hawker rental lah. lol.

Allthepies
25-12-11, 00:10
The best CM for rising cost is to cut the pay of everyone :D :D :D

ysyap
25-12-11, 07:09
No wonder I go watch movie at the cinema on the weekend and it cost me $10.50 per ticket... :scared-5: Thought weekend is $8 or something... :scared-3:

hyenergix
25-12-11, 08:00
I think watch showflats is cheaper :D

Are the showflats open today?

Rysk
25-12-11, 08:06
Any showflat got makan session one? :D

hyenergix
25-12-11, 08:10
Any showflat got makan session one? :D

I notice only FEO has. Most of the other developers' profit margins are not as fat.

Laguna
25-12-11, 08:18
the article wrote
"Carried out in cooperation with market research firm, Blackbox Research, the survey polled over 1,737 respondents and revealed that home buyers and investors are generally not satisfied with property prices."

ya, who can be happy?
investors : not happy, becos price under controlled
buyers : not happy, becos price is not low

NdB
25-12-11, 10:06
the article wrote
"Carried out in cooperation with market research firm, Blackbox Research, the survey polled over 1,737 respondents and revealed that home buyers and investors are generally not satisfied with property prices."

ya, who can be happy?
investors : not happy, becos price under controlled
buyers : not happy, becos price is not low

Those who are buying: property prices are too high
Those who are selling: property prices are too low
Those who are speculating: property prices no longer shoot up from low to high in 1 year......

hyenergix
25-12-11, 10:11
Inflation will stay above 5% in 2012, and probably rise even more beyond 2012.

No more $2.50 chicken rice?
Hawker food prices may rise as subsidised rents are set to expire in the coming years
By Huang Lijie And Feng Zengkun
http://www.straitstimes.com/News/Home/Story/STIStory_748681.html

At the Zion Road hawker centre, a plate of chicken rice costs $2.50. But if you go to the coffee shop next door, be prepared to pay $3.20 for it.

At the foodcourt in the Great World City mall across the road, the price goes up even further, to $4.30.

Since the hawker centre came into existence almost 40 years ago, it has always been the lowest common food price denominator - guaranteeing cheap chow for the nation.

But that $2.50 plate of chicken rice may be a fantasy by the end of the decade.

The reason: Some hawker stall rents are set to soar by more than 10 times in the coming years due to expiring subsidies.

Stall owners in 15 food centres told The Sunday Times that when the rent hike comes, they will either raise their prices or quit the business.

The fallout could also affect food prices at their neighbours' stalls and at coffee shops and foodcourts, which sometimes peg the prices of their fare to those of nearby hawker competitors, The Sunday Times found.

In Clementi, Hougang and River Valley, where all three types of food centres can be found close to one another, the same dishes are priced within $1.50 of each other, with the hawker fare the cheapest.

This is why hawker rental fees must be kept low, argued experts.

'It's necessary so food prices do not escalate,' said Professor Lily Kong, vice-president of university and global relations at the National University of Singapore, who has written a book on hawker centres.

The secret to cheap food

Currently, prospective hawkers have to rent stalls from the National Environment Agency (NEA) or sublet them from other hawkers.

The NEA sets minimum rents determined by valuers for its vacant stalls and auctions them off every month.

Bidders have to be Singapore citizens or permanent residents, and the highest bidder gets the stall for three years, after which he gets priority to renew his lease, which comes at a new market rate.

If the minimum bid is not met, the stall is kept for the next auction.

The NEA also rents out stalls on one- to three-year leases on a walk-in basis, but these are typically leftover stalls in unpopular places.

The monthly rent ranges from $85 to $3,600 for market stalls, which sell sundry goods, although most stalls are rented for between $300 and $800.

The rent for cooked food stalls ranges from $300 to $4,900, but a majority are about $1,000 or more. Stalls in more central locations such as Newton and Serangoon easily command upwards of $2,500 in monthly rent.

Hawkers are allowed to sublet these stalls, even to foreigners, which may cause prices to climb higher in popular areas. At the People's Park Food Centre in Chinatown, for example, hawkers can pay more than $5,000 a month to sublet a stall.

But only half of the 15,000 stalls in Singapore have these market-determined rents.

The other half are now heavily subsidised or are owned by the hawkers themselves.

About 40 per cent of hawkers pay only between $56 and $320 for their stalls, possibly less than a tenth of the market rates.

This is mostly because they are first-generation hawkers, lured off the streets in the 1970s for hygiene reasons with the low-rent stalls.

Mr Chua Chuan Liang, 70, for example, has paid just $200 a month in rent for a minced meat noodles stall in the Clementi 448 Market and Food Centre for the past three decades.

The low rents are guaranteed as long as the hawkers personally operate them and do not sublet the stalls. When they die, their immediate family can also take up the subsidised stalls with the same conditions.

Another 15 per cent of the hawkers own their stalls, which they bought in the 1990s during a government project to encourage hawkers to be stall owners.

The costs of their 20-year leases were determined by valuers, and the hawkers were given a 30 per cent discount capped at $28,000.

These hawkers are free to resell their leases or sublet the stalls to anyone.

Mr Goh Chye Lee, 60, for example, paid $124,000 for his sugarcane juice stall at the Serangoon Gardens Chomp Chomp Food Centre in 1997.

This means his monthly rent, averaged over the 20 years, has been stabilised at just $520.

Subsidised and rent-free hawkers told The Sunday Times that this has allowed them to sell their food at lower prices.

Hawker Chee Hua Pheow, 62, for example, charges just $1.20 for a plate of stir-fried glutinous rice, among the cheapest meals sold at Chinatown's Smith Street Food Centre. He pays $320 in monthly rent.

The hawkers have also helped to hold down prices charged by their non-subsidised neighbours, and at coffee shops and foodcourts.

Ms Ng Siew Khin, 70, is Mr Goh's neighbour at the Chomp Chomp Food Centre and also sells sugarcane juice.

She pays six times his rent at $3,300 a month to sublet a same-sized stall, but sells the juice at the same price as Mr Goh - at $1.50 a glass.

'If mine is more expensive, nobody will buy from me,' she said.

Stall rents in coffee shops and foodcourts are determined by private owners who own the properties, or by the Housing Board, which leases stalls at market rents in 300 HDB coffee shops.

Checks by The Sunday Times at 40 coffee shops and foodcourts found that rents can range from $2,500 for a coffee shop stall in the heartland to $15,000 for a foodcourt stall in Orchard Road, also several orders above the subsidised hawkers' rents.

But the food sellers told The Sunday Times that they usually peg their prices to those of nearby hawker competitors, charging up to $1.50 more for the same dishes despite the much higher rental fees.

Mr Siva Kumar, 44, owner of an Indian Muslim food stall in a Ghim Moh coffee shop, sells prata for 80 cents, the same as that sold in the next-door Block 20 Ghim Moh Road hawker centre. This is despite monthly rents of $4,000, more than double that of his hawker competitor.

'If I don't follow the price in the hawker centre, customers will just go next door,' he said.

He covers his rent by offering a wider range of food items, such as Indian rojak, which he prices at 50 cents per piece.

The looming cost

But the era of low rents will soon be over for the subsidised half of the industry.

The first-generation hawkers can transfer their low rents only once to their family members.

After the second generation dies, or if the hawkers hang up their woks, the Government will take back the stalls and raise the rent back to market rates.

Ms Grace Fu, Senior Minister of State for the Environment and Water Resources, told reporters at a meeting about hawker centres earlier this month that the subsidies are unlikely to be extended.

Doing so would create hawker dynasties, making it harder for outsiders to gain a foothold in the industry, she said. 'I don't think a person should enjoy lower rents than her competitors just because her parents were hawkers,' she added.

This means many of the subsidies could expire within the decade.

The 20-year leases sold to hawkers will also expire between 2014 and 2017, after which those stalls will also be rented out at market rates.

At the Kovan Hougang Food Centre at Hougang Street 21, the end of the subsidies could mean a rent increase of more than 20 times.

One subsidised stall's monthly rent at the centre is $190, compared with $3,000 at the Government's non-subsidised rate and more than $5,000 if it is sublet.

Hawkers say food prices will increase with the rental fees.

Subsidised chicken rice seller Lin Leong Wah, 52, currently pays $200 a month to rent a stall in the Kovan food centre. He has dished out countless $2 plates, but said he would have to increase his price to at least $2.50 if his rent was higher.

'Otherwise how to survive?' he asked.

This may open the floodgates for their coffee shop and foodcourt competitors to raise their prices.

Mr Hong Poh Hin, 64, chairman of the Foochow Coffee Restaurant & Bar Merchants Association, which represents 450 coffee shop owners, said: 'If there is an overall increase in hawker food prices, coffee shop and foodcourt stall holders, especially those who have kept their profit margins very low to compete with hawker centres, will likely also adjust their prices to ease their burden.'

More complications

This spectre of rising food prices is among the top concerns of a panel set up to rethink the hawker centre.

In October, the Government announced it will build 10 new hawker centres after a 26-year hiatus.

It said this would provide cheap and good quality food for more Singaporeans; Ms Fu added that more stalls could help to spur competition and lower food prices.

The first centre will go up in Bukit Panjang within three years; the locations of the rest have not been determined but priority will go to the new towns, where there are fewer such centres.

Earlier this month, the Government unveiled a team of experts ranging from architects to food operators to come up with fresh ideas to run the new hawker centres. The panel will complete its consultation by next month.

Ms Fu said its solutions could be applied to the existing 107 hawker centres as well.

Social entrepreneur Elim Chew, who heads the panel, said keeping rental fees affordable will be among its priorities.

But hawker analysts said this may not be enough to keep the centres' food cheap, especially if the cost of living rises.

Ms Fu said there is no guarantee low rents will lead to low food prices. 'Some hawkers may choose to maximise their profits instead,' she said.

The Sunday Times also found low-cost hawkers who sublet their stalls at higher rents to earn a passive income.

At the Chomp Chomp Food Centre alone, five of the 20-year leased stalls are legally sublet at market rents of $2,800 to $3,300 a month.

Hawkers who took over the long-lease stalls at the Kaki Bukit 511 Market and Food Centre in Bedok can even hand over more than $5,000 a month to their landlords.

Said one of the Kaki Bukit subletters, who declined to be named: 'The owner of this stall lives off my money in a bungalow.'

Others noted that low rents lead to problems such as limited opening hours.

Mr Patrick Sze, 51, chairman of the hawkers' association at the Clementi 448 Market and Food Centre, said hawkers tend to shutter their stalls once they hit a daily income target. He said: 'Subsidised stalls usually close after lunch because the owners have made enough to cover their low rent.'

And then there is the problem of manpower. NUS' Prof Kong asked if there are even enough passionate hawkers in the Republic to operate the new stalls.

'There is a concern that the quality of hawker food has declined because people with no skills or real interest enter the trade and treat it as a mere job,' she said.

These interlinked problems will become even more stark as more Singaporeans eat out, said the analysts.

A national nutrition survey by the Health Promotion Board last year found that six in 10 Singaporeans eat out at least four times a week, up from five in 10 in 2004.

What is needed, they say, is a radical re-imagining of the Singapore icon.

The social solution?

One idea that has gained traction is that of a social enterprise. This would involve remaking the hawker centre as a non-profit place to provide cheap and good quality food. The idea was mooted by Environment and Water Resources Minister Vivian Balakrishnan in October and Ms Chew said the panel is considering it.

This would be similar to the role NTUC FairPrice plays to keep basic food items affordable, said Ms Fu. When global food prices spiked in February, the local supermarket chain froze prices for its house-brand rice for six months. It extended the freeze on its Thai house-brand rice on Thursday for another two months.

'Ideally, we want a hawker centre operator who can exert influence on opening hours, tenant mix and food prices,' added Ms Fu.

Ms Chew declined to provide more details on this as the panel is still gathering feedback.

Others said the Government could continue to offer subsidies, but with more restrictions.

These include banning sublets and private stall transfer arrangements between hawkers, which the Government currently does not track.

Hawkers have demanded fees of up to $300,000 just to transfer their rentals of stalls in highly sought-after places.

Food guru K.F. Seetoh and MP for Moulmein-Kallang GRC Denise Phua have raised concerns that these practices could drive up food prices as the new stall holders try to defray the cost of such fees.

The Government alone should handle the assignment of stalls to prevent this, they said.

Mr Tan Chin Keong, an equity analyst at UBS Wealth Management Research with an interest in property, suggested an official day-and-night dual leasing model.

'Taxi drivers share their cars in shifts. This would help to lower rental and operating costs for hawkers,' he said, although he noted this would work only in areas that attract a steady crowd at all hours.

As for ways to suss out passionate hawkers and to hone their culinary skills, Ms Chew said stalls could be provided to young entrepreneurs.

'Young people can explore possibilities for food start-ups and then move on to restaurants if they prefer that,' she said, noting that hawker centres have a lower start-up cost compared with more upscale establishments.

She added that the new hawker centres could double as a social safety net by offering jobs to the disabled.

Mr Nicholas Aw, president of the Disabled People's Association, said employing people with disabilities or setting aside stalls for them would create awareness of the issues they face and inspire the community.

But he added that the panel has not consulted his group.

'I hope the panel at least talks to a person with disabilities to understand what needs to be done for the idea to work,' he said.

Mr Seetoh said more should also be done to bridge the gap between the old guard and new entrants of the trade, and suggested setting up a cooking school to maintain a minimum hawker standard in the Republic.

Hawker centres in 2030

But whatever form the hawker centre of the future takes, it must not lose its role as a social glue, said Ms Chew.

She suggested that hawker centres be used for community activities in the future.

The panel is also considering installing wireless Internet at the centres for the connected generation.

And in a country where one in five Singaporeans will be 65 or older by 2030, hawker centres could even ease aching joints by delivering food to the elderly who live nearby, she said.

'Hawker centres have been in the lives of Singaporeans for decades.

'Now it's time to see how we can make it sustainable for generations to come,' she said.

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ikan bilis
25-12-11, 10:48
heya... "no more $2.50 chicken rice?" very kachang puteh issue lah... :sleep:

wait for... HDB/Ministry of Environment transfer all the
- All the hawker centres islandwide
- HDB neighbourhood retail shops
- HDB car parks
- All HDB rental flats
into one big gigantic REIT and list it on SGX then you know...

:scared-3:

hyenergix
25-12-11, 10:54
heya... "no more $2.50 chicken rice?" very kachang puteh issue lah... :sleep:

wait for... HDB/Ministry of Environment transfer all the
- All the hawker centres islandwide
- HDB neighbourhood retail shops
- HDB car parks
- All HDB rental flats
into one big gigantic REIT and list it on SGX then you know...

:scared-3:

Not many people are rich leh. A plate of $2.50 chicken rice is considered quite expensive to them. If it is too expensive, Vivian cannot say: "How much do you want? Do you want three meals in a hawker centre, food court or restaurant?"

kane
25-12-11, 12:01
Not many people are rich leh. A plate of $2.50 chicken rice is considered quite expensive to them.

Coincidentally this article came out just after you made your earlier remark. So they're preparing you for more expensive hawker fare.

hyenergix
25-12-11, 12:25
I'm looking at the overall picture, searching for the hidden meanings in government's policies and projecting forward. The driving forces for inflation in the next few years are:

(1) Aging population requiring influx of immigrants to replace
(2) Aging infrastructure requiring massive cash injections to rejuvenate
(3) Higher social (e.g. medical) and security (e.g. police) costs
(4) Limited land to expand driving up land, houses, transport and rental costs

It cannot be other countries are suffering while we are partying. Taxation on the working population will increase. Get ready for more inflation.

kane
25-12-11, 12:32
I'm looking at the overall picture, searching for the hidden meanings in government's policies and projecting forward. The driving forces for inflation in the next few years are:

(1) Aging population requiring influx of immigrants to replace
(2) Aging infrastructure requiring massive cash injections to rejuvenate
(3) Higher social (e.g. medical) and security (e.g. police) costs
(4) Limited land to expand driving up land, houses, transport and rental costs

It cannot be other countries are suffering while we are partying. Taxation on the working population will increase. Get ready for more inflation.

If inflation drives rental higher, properties prices might creep higher.

hyenergix
25-12-11, 12:45
If inflation drives rental higher, properties prices might creep higher.

The information points to certain types of properties that will enjoy better growth rates than the rest.

kane
25-12-11, 13:05
I don't think commercial rental will enjoy a good year...

ysyap
25-12-11, 13:24
I don't mind inflation rising coz its all around the world and it is natural economics but I mind the alarming rate at which it is rising in our country.... :doh:

ikan bilis
25-12-11, 13:25
wow... die lah... very soon.... :scared-4:

food at changi village hawker centre increased by 2 times... S$5 chicken rice...
changi beach camping charges increased by 5 times...
3G mobile internet services increased by 3 times...
per toilet visit at changi beach increased to S$1...
1 roll of cloth-tape to cover minors holes on tent increase by 300%...
only net worth/asset: camping tent depreciate by 50%...

someone who shorted his hdb and camping there will be kpkb more and more liow... can really feel his pain pain... :D

ysyap
25-12-11, 13:26
wow... die lah... very soon.... :scared-4:

food at changi village hawker centre increased by 2 times... S$5 chicken rice...
changi beach camping charges increased by 5 times...
3G mobile internet services increased by 3 times...
per toilet visit at changi beach increased to S$1...
1 roll of cloth-tape to cover minors holes on tent increase by 300%...
only net worth/asset: camping tent depreciate by 50%...

someone who shorted his hdb and camping there will be kpkb more and more liow... can really feel his pain pain... :DNow Singtel already got 4G liao... what is 4G huh?

hyenergix
25-12-11, 14:04
Medical and insurance costs will go up further. Polyclinics are expensive to run. GPs (pte) are expected to complement polyclinics. Note the recent subsidies (from whose pocket?) for lower income families.

http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/highlights/2011/transformingtheprimarycarelandscape.html

peterng8
25-12-11, 14:24
The best CM for rising cost is to cut the pay of everyone :D :D :D


sure or not? dont forget inflation does not mean housing alone? it means transport, food etc etc...

normal workers will die first coupled with influx of cheap labour, acc to study of salary increase of a period of 5 yrs, the increase is negilible for a developed country like Sg(but with 3rd world pay, so take lon glong loan for exp items ha ha)

And if want to cut , cut those who get very high pay but focus the wrong area of their work or myopia in objectives thereby causing unhappiness and chaos...u know who :D

Jonathan0503
26-12-11, 04:29
The information points to certain types of properties that will enjoy better growth rates than the rest.

Which type of properties will that be leh?

hyenergix
26-12-11, 06:25
Which type of properties will that be leh?

If I were to buy for self-stay, I would go for a property near an MRT station and amenities.

hyenergix
26-12-11, 06:48
Medical and insurance costs will go up further. Polyclinics are expensive to run. GPs (pte) are expected to complement polyclinics. Note the recent subsidies (from whose pocket?) for lower income families.

http://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/pressRoom/highlights/2011/transformingtheprimarycarelandscape.html

I have warned about higher property taxes, food price increase, medical cost increase, now it's transportation fare increase:

ComfortDelGro revises taxi fares
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1169537/1/.html

Longer hours, shorter breaks for bus drivers
http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC111226-0000014/Longer-hours,-shorter-breaks-for-bus-drivers

MRT breaks down again
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1171888/1/.html

The show has just begun. You can run but you cannot hide.

danntbt
26-12-11, 07:37
I have warned about higher property taxes, food price increase, medical cost increase, now it's transportation fare increase:

ComfortDelGro revises taxi fares
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1169537/1/.html

Longer hours, shorter breaks for bus drivers
http://www.todayonline.com/Singapore/EDC111226-0000014/Longer-hours,-shorter-breaks-for-bus-drivers

MRT breaks down again
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporelocalnews/view/1171888/1/.html

The show has just begun. You can run but you cannot hide.

...and you still want to buy property beside MRT....? It breaks down one u know?

hyenergix
26-12-11, 07:50
...and you still want to buy property beside MRT....? It breaks down one u know?

A change of CEO will solve the issue.

Actually I'm more worried about the integrity of the MRT and road tunnels - collapse, fire-safety, flood etc.

ysyap
26-12-11, 08:12
A change of CEO will solve the issue.

Actually I'm more worried about the integrity of the MRT and road tunnels - collapse, fire-safety, flood etc.Why are you more worried about events that occurs once every hundred years... :D (not my words ok)..

irisng
26-12-11, 08:22
My plate of duck rice is also very expensive. Now need to pay minimum $4 for the same $3 portion just 1-2 years back. We need CM1 for our food.

1-2 yrs back, bought a packet of rice (5 kgs) for about $5+, now same brand same weight, cost $10.:doh:

irisng
26-12-11, 08:25
Any showflat got makan session one? :D

Go to "Ku Si Lin temple", they have free vegetarian food. :D

hyenergix
26-12-11, 08:28
Why are you more worried about events that occurs once every hundred years... :D (not my words ok)..

Because 100 years pass very fast on Earth!

We have passed so many "once in 50 years" of floods in in just 2 years!

hyenergix
26-12-11, 08:30
1-2 yrs back, bought a packet of rice (5 kgs) for about $5+, now same brand same weight, cost $10.:doh:

It's time to eat sweet potatoes and tapiocas instead of rice.

Lovelle
26-12-11, 08:39
i don't eat rice for dinner...

irisng
26-12-11, 08:46
Baby milk powder are expensive too. How to have more children? Just realised from my sister-in-law that she has to pay about $60 for a can of milk powder (for her 2+ yrs old daughter). Wow, how many percentage increase now? Child-care also expensive too, if mummy salary is low, then most of her salary will go to child-care liao, if that's the case, no point working lor, but don't work, no extra income leh, sigh.... headache ah!:banghead:
so those who have parents to help to take care are lucky, but again, child care can learn more things leh, grandparents only make sure that their grandchildren are safe and don't go hunger.

hyenergix
26-12-11, 08:49
Baby milk powder are expensive too. How to have more children? Just realised from my sister-in-law that she has to pay about $60 for a can of milk powder (for her 2+ yrs old daughter). Wow, how many percentage increase now? Child-care also expensive too, if mummy salary is low, then most of her salary will go to child-care liao, if that's the case, no point working lor, but don't work, no extra income leh, sigh.... headache ah!:banghead:

Breast milk is free lah. That's why HDB COV >$50k also have people willing to pay to stay near parents because it is cheaper than hiring maid or sending children to child care.

solsys
26-12-11, 08:50
Baby milk powder are expensive too. How to have more children? Just realised from my sister-in-law that she has to pay about $60 for a can of milk powder (for her 2+ yrs old daughter). Wow, how many percentage increase now? Child-care also expensive too, if mummy salary is low, then most of her salary will go to child-care liao, if that's the case, no point working lor, but don't work, no extra income leh, sigh.... headache ah!:banghead:


Buy Nespray, much bigger can at less than S$40. I find it hilarious when people spend S$60 per can on those NAAN and GainIQ stuff.

radha08
26-12-11, 08:57
Buy Nespray, much bigger can at less than S$40. I find it hilarious when people spend S$60 per can on those NAAN and GainIQ stuff.

pediasure...:scared-5:...$70

hyenergix
26-12-11, 09:01
Buy Nespray, much bigger can at less than S$40. I find it hilarious when people spend S$60 per can on those NAAN and GainIQ stuff.

Nutrition in the first few years (including in the womb) and during puberty for a person is important. The problems of poor nutrition will surface in his/her 40s onwards. It's worth every cent in comparison of the high medical costs and sufferings at old age.

solsys
26-12-11, 09:38
Nutrition in the first few years (including in the womb) and during puberty for a person is important. The problems of poor nutrition will surface in his/her 40s onwards. It's worth every cent in comparison of the high medical costs and sufferings at old age.

Chop stamp guarantee that consumers are paying for the marketing dollars and the sponsorship of celebrities giving psycho talks and workshops.

Then again, that's what makes the world go around, else media people will be out of business.

I think just get spirulina, chlorella to pound and put into milk will be much stronger effect in building immune system and regeneration of cells. (then again, my wife probably won't let me do it.)

solsys
26-12-11, 09:41
To the government!

If you want people to give birth to more babies, simply slap a law to regulate milk powder advertisements!

Just like smoking, no advertisements. events, whatsoever and etc...

This will make the pricing of all milk powder come down, then again if Temasek have $$$ in SPH or Mediacorp, they won't let this happen coz their celebrities will earn less and less 'Milk the parents money' events to run.

hyenergix
26-12-11, 09:45
Chop stamp guarantee that consumers are paying for the marketing dollars and the sponsorship of celebrities giving psycho talks and workshops.

Then again, that's what makes the world go around, else media people will be out of business.

I think just get spirulina, chlorella to pound and put into milk will be much stronger effect in building immune system and regeneration of cells. (then again, my wife probably won't let me do it.)

Dun anyhow feed babies hor. Their digestive system is different from ours. Your wife is a wise woman.

hopeful
26-12-11, 09:52
1-2 yrs back, bought a packet of rice (5 kgs) for about $5+, now same brand same weight, cost $10.:doh:

White polished rice can last for years.
Why dont you buy 2 years supply of rice? (dont buy unpolished rice).
your opportunity cost is 0.6% FD.

chiaberry
26-12-11, 09:55
Chop stamp guarantee that consumers are paying for the marketing dollars and the sponsorship of celebrities giving psycho talks and workshops.

Then again, that's what makes the world go around, else media people will be out of business.

I think just get spirulina, chlorella to pound and put into milk will be much stronger effect in building immune system and regeneration of cells. (then again, my wife probably won't let me do it.)

Totally agree.

If mummies want the VERY BEST ingredients, there is no substitute for breast milk which is also the cheapest. It is much more healthy for the child if the mother were to make the effort to continue producing breast milk rather than spend $$$ on expensive substitutes. In any case, at the age of 2+ it is also important to make sure the child develops good eating habits to take a balanced diet (especially with vegetables and brown rice rather than white rice).

hopeful
26-12-11, 09:56
To the government!

If you want people to give birth to more babies, simply slap a law to regulate milk powder advertisements!

Just like smoking, no advertisements. events, whatsoever and etc...

This will make the pricing of all milk powder come down, then again if Temasek have $$$ in SPH or Mediacorp, they won't let this happen coz their celebrities will earn less and less 'Milk the parents money' events to run.

penny wise pound foolish.
what is the difference between the rich and the poor? Their diet.
http://gonzalolira.blogspot.com/2011/08/what-distinguishes-rich-from-poor-today.html#more

solsys
26-12-11, 10:13
Dun anyhow feed babies hor. Their digestive system is different from ours. Your wife is a wise woman.

Lol, I tell you something, my dad mum takes spirulina and they are very healthy, into their sixties and they still swim.

My dad is in the pink of health and my mum's high blood and cholesterol control is aided by spirulina.

If you go and google, for the benefit of your personal health education and well-being..... you will realise that spirulina is a vegetable, NOT A MEDICINE or HEALTH supplement.

It can be consumed even with medication, however due to it's potency in cleansing, it will purge out any non-organic stuff, toxins and anything that is not suppose in the body.

The process of purging is called, 'healing crisis', which many people do not understand is a detoxing or cleansing process. This process is a little uneasy, because the body is fighting unhealthy stuff and purging out the toxins. Alot of people mistake this as spirulina, chlorella is poisonous, which is not. Imagine the analogy of consuming rat poison, and then taking the antidote subsequently, the process is not easy, because the poison is purged out from your mouth or other organs, i.e. vomiting or diarrhea.

During detox, your body will try to put itself back to the usual normal pH levels, i.e. more alkaline. As such, it will reject all acidic foods, i.e. meat. Even if you are a usual meat eater, you will not find it appetizing at all. Instead, your body will draw your mind to eat healing stuff, i.e. juices, porridge and etc....

Unfortunately, these days people trusts too much scientific information due to the education system and trust the medicine will solve problems. Which is exactly what they want you to think and use to DRIVE the economy.

Medicine should only be used for ACUTE situations, i.e. life threatening or extreme pain. IT DOES NOT HEAL the body and only pushes the toxins further into your body and other organs. People who reach 40s and face a hell lot of problems because they take western medication that postpone the problem, i.e. just like the Europe debt crisis.

Medicine ONLY SUPPRESS the SYMPTOMS, they don't heal the body.

I have a weak constitution and I detox regularly by eating vegetables, juices and cut down consumption of meat sigificantly when my body becomes uneasy.

Once detox process is done, your body will feel feather light and readily absorbs all sorts of nutrients. The feeling is damn good and you will feel 5-10 years younger. Of course, then our rubbish lifestyle comes in again....... which exemplifies the importance of detoxing and natural healing.

The good thing is if you maintain proper balance after detoxing, you won't get a healing crisis again.

Remember the more awful your healing crisis is, the more toxins there are in your body already wreaking major havoc......

Of course, there is the easier way to go for western pharma solutions that lets us kick the bucket faster by suppressing the symptoms.

Milk powder should be kept simple and not scientifically engineered. Try accelerating the growth of your babies like hormones and watch their organs fail much faster when they age. Your kids look good to you now, but for all you know you are screwing their lives up because it's only recently these IQ IQ milk powder started coming out. Of course, breast feeding is the way to go, provided mum is in pink of health. Nestle Nespray doesn't advertise milk powder all the while, because they support and believe in breast feeding. Their milk powder came about because it saved a kid's life that was allergic to breast milk.

Organic is the way to go, but too costly for me ..... so i opt for detoxing or maintaining a healthy diet.

irisng
26-12-11, 10:47
[quote=solsys]Lol, I tell you something, my dad mum takes spirulina and they are very healthy, into their sixties and they still swim.

My dad is in the pink of health and my mum's high blood and cholesterol control is aided by spirulina.

The Spirulina that you mention is it in a tablet form? I know some of it is in a juice bottle and some mixed with cereal. Will all these help also?

amk
26-12-11, 10:56
If mummies want the VERY BEST ingredients, there is no substitute for breast milk ...

I believe about 40 or 50 yrs ago, the commonly accepted "wisdom" is just the opposite ;) Dun believe me ? Ask yr grandpa or grandma to find out ...

Never so sure about the "science" of human body... We still know so little..

And btw solsys, no offense, I applaud your thorough faith in your belief, but I do feel this is just another school of medicine that are still craving for sufficient empirical evidence

Allthepies
26-12-11, 10:58
It's time to eat sweet potatoes and tapiocas instead of rice.

Singaporeans are really very fortunate already, they can afford chicken rice, tapiocas, sweet potatoes etc....

I was watching a documentary, people in villages in Indonesia are so poor they cannot afford to eat rice, they have to mix some poisonous fruits/plants (have to cook/treat in a certain way to remove the poison) to supplement the rice. Everyday don't know when they will be poisoned by their food....

Now when u look at the villagers and then u compare to the life you are living now as singaporeans, do you still have the heart to say our lives is miserable :scared-4:

amk
26-12-11, 11:00
.... And hey guys, what's life without a little indulgence ? :)
It's Xmas .. Let's drink And feast to the occasion :)

ysyap
26-12-11, 11:04
Breast milk is free lah. That's why HDB COV >$50k also have people willing to pay to stay near parents because it is cheaper than hiring maid or sending children to child care.Not everybody can have lasting supply of breastmilke lah... if can last more than 6 months not bad liao... those who can sustain for a year or more are usually those mothers who are not working and not leading a stressful life... ;)

ysyap
26-12-11, 11:05
Singaporeans are really very fortunate already, they can afford chicken rice, tapiocas, sweet potatoes etc....

I was watching a documentary, people in villages in Indonesia are so poor they cannot afford to eat rice, they have to mix some poisonous fruits/plants (have to cook/treat in a certain way to remove the poison) to supplement the rice. Everyday don't know when they will be poisoned by their food....

Now when u look at the villagers and then u compare to the life you are living now as singaporeans, do you still have the heart to say our lives is miserable :scared-4:Yes yes... No need to go so far... today just made a clothes donation to an orphanage and the kids there are so poor thing... no parents to celebrate Christmas and birthdays and all other occasions... :(

hopeful
26-12-11, 11:24
Singaporeans are really very fortunate already, they can afford chicken rice, tapiocas, sweet potatoes etc....

I was watching a documentary, people in villages in Indonesia are so poor they cannot afford to eat rice, they have to mix some poisonous fruits/plants (have to cook/treat in a certain way to remove the poison) to supplement the rice. Everyday don't know when they will be poisoned by their food....

Now when u look at the villagers and then u compare to the life you are living now as singaporeans, do you still have the heart to say our lives is miserable :scared-4:

You want to donate to my Paypal account? Your donation will be to help the poor village folks in Indonesia. (your donation is not tax deductible though)

Bitter cassava (tapioca is the starch) is poisonous. cannot eat raw, need to cook thoroughly to remove the poison. Perhaps this is what you see.

You should watch more of these documentaries. Repeated exposure will built up "immunity" to these scenes. Watch a few times, no more tears already.

irisng
26-12-11, 11:32
Actually, Singaporeans are very lucky. Even how poor a person is, he/she still has rice to eat and a house to stay.

evergreen
26-12-11, 11:38
About rice: eating (Thai white) rice is similar to eating sugar, which are in the high glycemic index range of food. In other words, such food help to retain fat cells in your body and slow your brain.

About infant formula: There are other things to drink such as breast milk and cow's milk. Infant formula milk isn't as good as the manufacturers claim. Americans hardly ever feed their children the powder that they sell to Asians. Remember that processed food can never be as good as fresh food that is close to the source, no matter what special nutrients are added. Same goes for "adult" food. We all know fresh from the source is best. So why feed BABIES processed food?

hyenergix
26-12-11, 11:41
Lol, I tell you something, my dad mum takes spirulina and they are very healthy, into their sixties and they still swim.

My dad is in the pink of health and my mum's high blood and cholesterol control is aided by spirulina.

If you go and google, for the benefit of your personal health education and well-being..... you will realise that spirulina is a vegetable, NOT A MEDICINE or HEALTH supplement.

It can be consumed even with medication, however due to it's potency in cleansing, it will purge out any non-organic stuff, toxins and anything that is not suppose in the body.

The process of purging is called, 'healing crisis', which many people do not understand is a detoxing or cleansing process. This process is a little uneasy, because the body is fighting unhealthy stuff and purging out the toxins. Alot of people mistake this as spirulina, chlorella is poisonous, which is not. Imagine the analogy of consuming rat poison, and then taking the antidote subsequently, the process is not easy, because the poison is purged out from your mouth or other organs, i.e. vomiting or diarrhea.

During detox, your body will try to put itself back to the usual normal pH levels, i.e. more alkaline. As such, it will reject all acidic foods, i.e. meat. Even if you are a usual meat eater, you will not find it appetizing at all. Instead, your body will draw your mind to eat healing stuff, i.e. juices, porridge and etc....

Unfortunately, these days people trusts too much scientific information due to the education system and trust the medicine will solve problems. Which is exactly what they want you to think and use to DRIVE the economy.

Medicine should only be used for ACUTE situations, i.e. life threatening or extreme pain. IT DOES NOT HEAL the body and only pushes the toxins further into your body and other organs. People who reach 40s and face a hell lot of problems because they take western medication that postpone the problem, i.e. just like the Europe debt crisis.

Medicine ONLY SUPPRESS the SYMPTOMS, they don't heal the body.

I have a weak constitution and I detox regularly by eating vegetables, juices and cut down consumption of meat sigificantly when my body becomes uneasy.

Once detox process is done, your body will feel feather light and readily absorbs all sorts of nutrients. The feeling is damn good and you will feel 5-10 years younger. Of course, then our rubbish lifestyle comes in again....... which exemplifies the importance of detoxing and natural healing.

The good thing is if you maintain proper balance after detoxing, you won't get a healing crisis again.

Remember the more awful your healing crisis is, the more toxins there are in your body already wreaking major havoc......

Of course, there is the easier way to go for western pharma solutions that lets us kick the bucket faster by suppressing the symptoms.

Milk powder should be kept simple and not scientifically engineered. Try accelerating the growth of your babies like hormones and watch their organs fail much faster when they age. Your kids look good to you now, but for all you know you are screwing their lives up because it's only recently these IQ IQ milk powder started coming out. Of course, breast feeding is the way to go, provided mum is in pink of health. Nestle Nespray doesn't advertise milk powder all the while, because they support and believe in breast feeding. Their milk powder came about because it saved a kid's life that was allergic to breast milk.

Organic is the way to go, but too costly for me ..... so i opt for detoxing or maintaining a healthy diet.
It's from cyanobacteria and there is possibility of contamination from bacteria toxins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
Aquatic cyanobacteria are probably best known for the extensive and highly visible blooms that can form in both freshwater (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Freshwater) and the marine environment and can have the appearance of blue-green paint or scum. The association of toxicity (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Toxicity) with such blooms has frequently led to the closure of recreational waters when blooms are observed. Marine bacteriophages (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Marine_bacteriophage) are a significant parasite (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Parasite) of unicellular marine cyanobacteria. When they infect cells, they lyse (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Lysis) them, releasing more phages into the water.[3] (http://forums.condosingapore.com/#cite_note-2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement)
Spirulina is a form of cyanobacterium, some of which are known to produce toxins such as microcystins (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Microcystins), BMAA (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/BMAA), and others. Because spirulina is a dietary supplement, the United States Food and Drug Administration (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration) does not regulate the production and quality of the product. Currently, no standard exists to regulate the safety of spirulina in the U.S.[15] (http://forums.condosingapore.com/#cite_note-14) The U.S. National Institutes of Health (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health) describes spirulina supplements as "possibly safe" for adults, provided they are free of microcystin contamination, but when contaminated by microcystins "likely unsafe" for children as they are more susceptible to the toxins which can contaminate spirulina supplements.[16] (http://forums.condosingapore.com/#cite_note-nih-medline-15)

irisng
26-12-11, 11:42
Singaporeans are really very fortunate already, they can afford chicken rice, tapiocas, sweet potatoes etc....

I was watching a documentary, people in villages in Indonesia are so poor they cannot afford to eat rice, they have to mix some poisonous fruits/plants (have to cook/treat in a certain way to remove the poison) to supplement the rice. Everyday don't know when they will be poisoned by their food....

Now when u look at the villagers and then u compare to the life you are living now as singaporeans, do you still have the heart to say our lives is miserable :scared-4:

It is not that our life is miseable but because of the high prices on the NECESSITY THINGS that makes our life very competitive. With the same amount of money, we are getting lesser and lesser things as compared to previously. :banghead:

hopeful
26-12-11, 11:44
About rice: eating (Thai white) rice is similar to eating sugar, which are in the high glycemic index range of food. In other words, such food help to retain fat cells in your body and slow your brain.

About infant formula: There are other things to drink such as breast milk and cow's milk. Infant formula milk isn't as good as the manufacturers claim. Americans hardly ever feed their children the powder that they sell to Asians. Remember that processed food can never be as good as fresh food that is close to the source, no matter what special nutrients are added. Same goes for "adult" food. We all know fresh from the source is best. So why feed BABIES processed food?

any market for "nai ma" in Singapore?

evergreen
26-12-11, 11:48
It is not that our life is miseable but because of the high prices on the NECESSITY THINGS that makes our life very competitive. With the same amount of money, we are getting lesser and lesser things as compared to previously. :banghead:
Ya, it's the lower income group that suffers the most. The government never even bothered considering removing or exempting GST on necessities. Healthcare cost is skyrocketing, another service that's supposedly "world-classs". My friend and I always joke that we're not scared to die; we're scared we are sick, can't pay the bills but still cannot die! (Best solution is to show us the bill to induce heart attack?)


any market for "nai ma" in Singapore?
I think they can't get workpass for that profession.
Just pump out and put in fridge lo.

hopeful
26-12-11, 11:56
Ya, it's the lower income group that suffers the most. The government never even bothered considering removing or exempting GST on necessities. Healthcare cost is skyrocketing, another service that's supposedly "world-classs". My friend and I always joke that we're not scared to die; we're scared we are sick, can't pay the bills but still cannot die! (Best solution is to show us the bill to induce heart attack?)

why always blame government? why not blame the lower income group themselves? A lot of people believe that evil people (or their descendants) will be hurt by karma, But when conversation turned to the lower income group being poor because of their bad karma, they become uncomfortable and change topic.:doh:

Remember to pray to ancestors, it is their good deeds that we are showered by blessings today. similarly our actions today will determine our children's happiness and prosperity.

ysyap
26-12-11, 11:57
NTUC is making huge profits on the sale of their products and I used to think that they have the interest of the citizens at heart by selling at the lowest possible price... now I realised its not true... :eek:

ysyap
26-12-11, 12:00
why always blame government? why not blame the lower income group themselves? A lot of people believe that evil people (or their descendants) will be hurt by karma, But when conversation turned to the lower income group being poor because of their bad karma, they become uncomfortable and change topic.:doh:

Remember to pray to ancestors, it is their good deeds that we are showered by blessings today. similarly our actions today will determine our children's happiness and prosperity.Your theory refers to the intangible but govt is tangible and more visible so it appeals more to those who need to complain... Lol! ;) You can also tell others to blame to floor when they fall or blame the weather when it rains continuously... People usually like to blame things which they can see and feel... Lol!

hyenergix
26-12-11, 12:04
NTUC is making huge profits on the sale of their products and I used to think that they have the interest of the citizens at heart by selling at the lowest possible price... now I realised its not true... :eek:

They are called "social entreprises". But frankly they are like the hawker centers that are profit centers but partially prevent prices of private operators from escalating too much.

http://www.ntuc.org.sg/wps/portal/up2/home/aboutntuc/organisationdirectory/ntucsocialenterprises/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3jTAGNPVzcPIwP_IGcDA09fd8ugYD9DY_9gI30v_ajMpFy98uRcPQM9YxNDc0NTcyNDCyMTQ0sTSzP9cJCBZvEGOICjgb6fR35uqn5BdnCao6OiIgABEEK_/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfNVAzSUVGSDIwMDVERTBJTThONTVKTFA0MzA!/

irisng
26-12-11, 12:23
They are called "social entreprises". But frankly they are like the hawker centers that are profit centers but partially prevent prices of private operators from escalating too much.

http://www.ntuc.org.sg/wps/portal/up2/home/aboutntuc/organisationdirectory/ntucsocialenterprises/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3jTAGNPVzcPIwP_IGcDA09fd8ugYD9DY_9gI30v_ajMpFy98uRcPQM9YxNDc0NTcyNDCyMTQ0sTSzP9cJCBZvEGOICjgb6fR35uqn5BdnCao6OiIgABEEK_/dl3/d3/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS9ZQnZ3LzZfNVAzSUVGSDIwMDVERTBJTThONTVKTFA0MzA!/

Actually, not all NTUC things are cheap, even they are on sales, some of the products are still more expensive than the provision shops located at HDB. I thought NTUC prices suppose to be cheaper than provision shops because they buy in bulks but that's not always the case leh. IMHO, last time maybe cheaper but not now, is it because they have to capitalise back the rebates that they give it to the NTUC card members.

hyenergix
26-12-11, 12:27
Actually, not all NTUC things are cheap, even they are on sales, some of the products are still more expensive than the provision shops located at HDB. I thought NTUC prices suppose to be cheaper than provision shops because they buy in bulks but that's not always the case leh. IMHO, last time maybe cheaper but not now, is it because they have to capitalise back the rebates that they give it to the NTUC card members.

I think it is reasonably priced. The NTUC staffs are also expecting reasonable pay. I usually buy items I need when they are on offer, in bulk :2cents: Even 30 or 40 cents discount make me happy. I think I on the way to become an old uncle.

TKT
26-12-11, 12:34
I think it is reasonably priced. The NTUC staffs are also expecting reasonable pay. I usually buy items I need when they are on offer, in bulk :2cents: Even 30 or 40 cents discount make me happy. I think I on the way to become an old uncle.



Old uncles can also shop in JB... should be even cheeeeper... :cheers6:

irisng
26-12-11, 12:44
why always blame government? why not blame the lower income group themselves? A lot of people believe that evil people (or their descendants) will be hurt by karma, But when conversation turned to the lower income group being poor because of their bad karma, they become uncomfortable and change topic.:doh:

Remember to pray to ancestors, it is their good deeds that we are showered by blessings today. similarly our actions today will determine our children's happiness and prosperity.

Actually cannot completely blame all the lower income group also, if want to blame, must blame those who have the capability to work and yet doesn't want to work, that's why they are poor or that when they are young, don't study hard lor, so now cannot get a good pay job.

Once I talked to one of the cleaner in my condos, her husband had an accident and now cannot work while her daughter has some sickness, also cannot work, they have to depend on her salary to support the family. So whenever the residents throw clothing or newspaper etc, this cleaner will colllect them and sell it to the garang guni for extra income.

Talk about the karma or fengshui. I have a friend who is not married because of some personal sickness, her mother is a bit insane, her brother doesn't want to work, excuse is want to look after his mother etc etc. So all the burdens lies on her and yet she is capable enough to use her CPF to buy a HDB to collect rental to help out with the family expenses. Because of her life, she believes in god and fortune teller. One of the fortune tellers told her that her ancestors tomb was burried in China under the public toilet, that's why now their life is so bad. So what can she do, she cannot go to China and tear down the public toilet and relocate her ancestors tomb, that will cost her a bomb.

hyenergix
26-12-11, 12:45
Old uncles can also shop in JB... should be even cheeeeper... :cheers6:

It takes one robbery to wipe out all the savings, plus more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6ELyard25k&feature=related

hopeful
26-12-11, 13:05
...........
Because of her life, she believes in god and fortune teller.....

you have pointed an interesting observation. It is usually the poorer people who blames fate/heavens etc for their lot in life and they turn to religion as an escape, that the next world is a better one.
As for the rich, they attribute their success to their own capabilities and not to fate/heavens. :)

was reading an article on caste system in India. How the invaders, the Aryans can controlled the native population there by using the caste system.

evergreen
26-12-11, 15:21
why always blame government? why not blame the lower income group themselves? A lot of people believe that evil people (or their descendants) will be hurt by karma, But when conversation turned to the lower income group being poor because of their bad karma, they become uncomfortable and change topic.:doh:

Remember to pray to ancestors, it is their good deeds that we are showered by blessings today. similarly our actions today will determine our children's happiness and prosperity.
Were you born into an average or well-to-do family?

If you have ever lived from hand to mouth you will know the impact of price increments dictated by the government.


Your theory refers to the intangible but govt is tangible and more visible so it appeals more to those who need to complain... Lol! ;) You can also tell others to blame to floor when they fall or blame the weather when it rains continuously... People usually like to blame things which they can see and feel... Lol!
Exactly! The truth is so clear to us. Can see, can touch. Why deny it?


I think it is reasonably priced. The NTUC staffs are also expecting reasonable pay. I usually buy items I need when they are on offer, in bulk :2cents: Even 30 or 40 cents discount make me happy. I think I on the way to become an old uncle.
NTUC cashiers are the slowest among the local supermarket chains.

evergreen
26-12-11, 15:31
Actually cannot completely blame all the lower income group also, if want to blame, must blame those who have the capability to work and yet doesn't want to work, that's why they are poor or that when they are young, don't study hard lor, so now cannot get a good pay job.

Must blame those who squander their money and then complain that the government is not doing enough for them. Then the minute they get some bonus from government, they take the money to singtel/m1/starhub to buy new handphone. :doh:


you have pointed an interesting observation. It is usually the poorer people who blames fate/heavens etc for their lot in life and they turn to religion as an escape, that the next world is a better one.
As for the rich, they attribute their success to their own capabilities and not to fate/heavens. :)

Religion is made up by people who want to exploit others into giving them money, power, status, respect, etc. The head of whatever religion always lives in comfort and luxury. Better to join the Mafia than a religious organisation.

solsys
26-12-11, 16:54
[quote=solsys]Lol, I tell you something, my dad mum takes spirulina and they are very healthy, into their sixties and they still swim.

My dad is in the pink of health and my mum's high blood and cholesterol control is aided by spirulina.

The Spirulina that you mention is it in a tablet form? I know some of it is in a juice bottle and some mixed with cereal. Will all these help also?

I'm taking tablet form. There are many variations, pick whatever suits your lifestyle the best. :)

zeq
26-12-11, 17:15
After reading the article, the old pap is better. Their aim is to help people to grow. The new pap just want to make money out of everything. I am just amazed that even if u made money out of govt policies, u cannot tell people poor is a choice. Not everyone is born equally in life, I prefer Australia. They treat citizens the same. That is what I called democracy. Sg is more and more like wall street in north Korea.

Lovelle
26-12-11, 17:19
After reading the article, the old pap is better. Their aim is to help people to grow. The new pap just want to make money out of everything. I am just amazed that even if u made money out of govt policies, u cannot tell people poor is a choice. Not everyone is born equally in life, I prefer Australia. They treat citizens the same. That is what I called democracy. Sg is more and more like wall street in north Korea.

sounds very true...of corse pap will tell u, everyone has equal opportunity...

solsys
26-12-11, 17:34
It's from cyanobacteria and there is possibility of contamination from bacteria toxins.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyanobacteria
Aquatic cyanobacteria are probably best known for the extensive and highly visible blooms that can form in both freshwater (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Freshwater) and the marine environment and can have the appearance of blue-green paint or scum. The association of toxicity (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Toxicity) with such blooms has frequently led to the closure of recreational waters when blooms are observed. Marine bacteriophages (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Marine_bacteriophage) are a significant parasite (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Parasite) of unicellular marine cyanobacteria. When they infect cells, they lyse (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Lysis) them, releasing more phages into the water.[3] (http://forums.condosingapore.com/#cite_note-2)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spirulina_(dietary_supplement)
Spirulina is a form of cyanobacterium, some of which are known to produce toxins such as microcystins (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Microcystins), BMAA (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/BMAA), and others. Because spirulina is a dietary supplement, the United States Food and Drug Administration (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/Food_and_Drug_Administration) does not regulate the production and quality of the product. Currently, no standard exists to regulate the safety of spirulina in the U.S.[15] (http://forums.condosingapore.com/#cite_note-14) The U.S. National Institutes of Health (http://forums.condosingapore.com/wiki/National_Institutes_of_Health) describes spirulina supplements as "possibly safe" for adults, provided they are free of microcystin contamination, but when contaminated by microcystins "likely unsafe" for children as they are more susceptible to the toxins which can contaminate spirulina supplements.


[16] (http://forums.condosingapore.com/#cite_note-nih-medline-15)



My apologies, it shows how ignorant most people are when it comes to green algae food.

Let me enlighten you, green algae are easily contaminated, so do not consume them if they are grown in the wild.

However in cultivated clean environments, they are human race perfect food. Do we expect pharmacies like Watson or guardian sell contaminated ones? Obviously no.

Jonathan0503
26-12-11, 18:26
Wah, subject of home too expensive becomes milk powder, then green algae....

solsys
26-12-11, 18:35
Wah, subject of home too expensive becomes milk powder, then green algae....

No point owning many houses and have poor health.

No point spending obscene money on milk powder when it is scientifically engineered and clothed with marketing packaging when we can better use the surplus cash.

Lovelle
26-12-11, 18:53
No point owning many houses and have poor health.

No point spending obscene money on milk powder when it is scientifically engineered and clothed with marketing packaging when we can better use the surplus cash.

yea, sometimes it takes more than $$ to eat healthy. One need to be knowledgeable to know what is good and bad.

even a not so rich person knows more how to live healthy. A bodybuilder once share the diet and importance of working out right to be healthy

hyenergix
26-12-11, 19:12
My apologies, it shows how ignorant most people are when it comes to green algae food.

Let me enlighten you, green algae are easily contaminated, so do not consume them if they are grown in the wild.

However in cultivated clean environments, they are human race perfect food. Do we expect pharmacies like Watson or guardian sell contaminated ones? Obviously no.

U audited the food source n production process?

solsys
26-12-11, 20:12
U audited the food source n production process?

Do you drink milk? Do you drink soft drinks? They come from factories too.

Your statement is implying AVA folks are not doing their job as well.

My point is, we share what we know and not cut paste from Wikipedia one sided without consulting other points of view.

If you like article sources, there are tonnes about the benefits of green algae. Why don't you share those points of view to be unbias?

Do we blindly listen to one political party? If we are intellectuals, then we listen from all angles before making informed decisions.

Do we listen to property or research analyst blindly? No as well. Imagine if authorities say green algae from cultivated ponds is good. The average people will think all green algae including wild ones are safe, because they will easily miss out the fine print and consume algae in their fish tanks. The authorities put out such statements to protect the average people.

However, there are institutes out there researching on its benefits if cultivated properly.

We also still trust that authorities do their due diligence in checks with certain guidelines including our hawker fare. Otherwise we gotta use silver needles to check every meals of ours.

FYI, FM 93.8 talks about green algae in its health series as well.

irisng
26-12-11, 20:14
[quote=evergreen]Must blame those who squander their money and then complain that the government is not doing enough for them. Then the minute they get some bonus from government, they take the money to singtel/m1/starhub to buy new handphone. :doh:


That I agree.:cheers1: Spend more than what they earn, then complain no money. I know of someone who is very spendthrift, spend lots of money on his hobbies (fish and model cars) and when the family went out to eat, he would order a lot of food but most of the time couldn't finish. Normally before month end, he would have spend all his money, then his wife has to help to pay all the household expenses including his handphone bills.:doh:

irisng
26-12-11, 20:23
[quote=irisng]

I'm taking tablet form. There are many variations, pick whatever suits your lifestyle the best. :)

What brand did you buy?

Once my sister helped me to buy a bottle too, that was for my daughter because she was very slim and very choosy over food. My sister said that the tablet can help my daughter to put on weight, is that true? But my daughter didn't finish it, we kept the remaining until spoiled, then throw away.

peterng8
26-12-11, 20:30
Actually, Singaporeans are very lucky. Even how poor a person is, he/she still has rice to eat and a house to stay.


if like that compare, why dont we compare to Ethiopia?

if now even stay at home and dont go out, money is still going out of the pocket...

peterng8
26-12-11, 20:32
Actually, not all NTUC things are cheap, even they are on sales, some of the products are still more expensive than the provision shops located at HDB. I thought NTUC prices suppose to be cheaper than provision shops because they buy in bulks but that's not always the case leh. IMHO, last time maybe cheaper but not now, is it because they have to capitalise back the rebates that they give it to the NTUC card members.


I think NTUC is more expensive in some items than other supermarkets...they are not value buy anymore...:o

hyenergix
26-12-11, 20:36
Do you drink milk? Do you drink soft drinks? They come from factories too.

Your statement is implying AVA folks are not doing their job as well.

My point is, we share what we know and not cut paste from Wikipedia one sided without consulting other points of view.

If you like article sources, there are tonnes about the benefits of green algae. Why don't you share those points of view to be unbias?

Do we blindly listen to one political party? If we are intellectuals, then we listen from all angles before making informed decisions.

Do we listen to property or research analyst blindly? No as well. Imagine if authorities say green algae from cultivated ponds is good. The average people will think all green algae including wild ones are safe, because they will easily miss out the fine print and consume algae in their fish tanks. The authorities put out such statements to protect the average people.

However, there are institutes out there researching on its benefits if cultivated properly.

We also still trust that authorities do their due diligence in checks with certain guidelines including our hawker fare. Otherwise we gotta use silver needles to check every meals of ours.

FYI, FM 93.8 talks about green algae in its health series as well.

Please don't put too much faith on the government and companies to protect your health. Nowadays government is reactive not proactive, and companies like radiostation DJs are usually paid to promote products via subliminal advertising.

solsys
26-12-11, 20:37
I think NTUC is more expensive in some items than other supermarkets...they are not value buy anymore...:o

To be fair, I think the NTUC shopping ambience cum pricing is fairly attractive compared to some other value supermarts, which can quite cramp.

solsys
26-12-11, 20:49
Please don't put too much faith on the government and companies to protect your health. Nowadays government is reactive not proactive, and companies like radiostation DJs are usually paid to promote products via subliminal advertising.

Everything in this world functions on a basis of trust, including debt although its getting very twisted at the sovereign levels. There are some countries debt that are better than some.

For health products, its the same, buy from japan and australia, with tighter checks.

No doubt, DJs are paid, but consumer have to do homework as well. There is risk in everything, but if the rewards are worth it, why not?

You are a prop investor as well, we take calculated risks for properties, the same should go for our choice of food and supplements as well.

hyenergix
26-12-11, 21:10
Everything in this world functions on a basis of trust, including debt although its getting very twisted at the sovereign levels. There are some countries debt that are better than some.

For health products, its the same, buy from japan and australia, with tighter checks.

No doubt, DJs are paid, but consumer have to do homework as well. There is risk in everything, but if the rewards are worth it, why not?

You are a prop investor as well, we take calculated risks for properties, the same should go for our choice of food and supplements as well.

No problem with adults trying, but not for babies. With raw material costs increasing, you can be sure more companies will do funny stunts. Even our own hawkers are putting more additives or using poor quality substitutes to cover up.

irisng
27-12-11, 07:19
No problem with adults trying, but not for babies. With raw material costs increasing, you can be sure more companies will do funny stunts. Even our own hawkers are putting more additives or using poor quality substitutes to cover up.

About 2 weeks back, I took a pc of candy sweet. When I started to bite, I heard a "crack" sound, out of curiosity, I took out the sweet and had a look, WOW, IT IS A PC OF GLASS BROKEN INTO TWO PARTS. :doh: It is manufactured in China (printed in a very small fine print in between the overlapping of the back wrapper). On the front wrapper, it looks like import from Japan because there are some Japanese words written on it. :mad:

ysyap
27-12-11, 07:29
About 2 weeks back, I took a pc of candy sweet. When I started to bite, I heard a "crack" sound, out of curiosity, I took out the sweet and had a look, WOW, IT IS A PC OF GLASS BROKEN INTO TWO PARTS. :doh: It is manufactured in China (printed in a very small fine print in between the overlapping of the back wrapper). On the front wrapper, it looks like import from Japan because there are some Japanese words written on it. :mad:Somebody found a snapped finger inside his canned drink some years back... :scared-4:

irisng
27-12-11, 09:47
Somebody found a snapped finger inside his canned drink some years back... :scared-4:

Aiyo, yo. :scared-1:

evergreen
27-12-11, 12:00
Still dare to eat stuff from China?
I've been asked by a few elderly ladies to help them read the labels when I'm in supermakets. They ask whether the food is manufactured in China. If so, they don't want to buy.

DC33_2008
27-12-11, 12:09
Never buy vegetable from China. Worried about the water quality:scared-4:

hyenergix
27-12-11, 12:12
Never buy vegetable from China. Worried about the water quality:scared-4:

What about the herbs? Unless you don't believe in TCM.

DC33_2008
27-12-11, 13:48
Fortunately not into it.
What about the herbs? Unless you don't believe in TCM.

irisng
27-12-11, 19:09
Somebody found a snapped finger inside his canned drink some years back... :scared-4:

But candy with glass is equally dangerous. What happen if the candy was eaten by young children, they will just bite and swallow it.

My colleague told me that one day while her daughter was biting a sweet. Then her milk teeth dropped, she thought that that was the sweet, so she bit and swallowed it.:doh:

ysyap
27-12-11, 20:44
For children, nearly anything is dangerous lah... I know of a 10 yr old girl who saw some copper sulphate crystals in the lab and liked it so much she swallowed two pieces... :scared-3:

evergreen
28-12-11, 09:07
So moral of the story: don't give sweets to children, and teachers must instruct students not to eat their science experiments.
Copper sulphate crystals, by the way, do look very pretty. So are diamonds. I hope that girl doesn't swallow the diamond when her future boyfriend proposes to her, otherwise she die die have to marry him cos can't return the ring.

ysyap
28-12-11, 11:25
So moral of the story: don't give sweets to children, and teachers must instruct students not to eat their science experiments.
Copper sulphate crystals, by the way, do look very pretty. So are diamonds. I hope that girl doesn't swallow the diamond when her future boyfriend proposes to her, otherwise she die die have to marry him cos can't return the ring.Can return lah through 2 means.. one is surgery (quick and expensive) or second is through sxxt (slow and cheap)... :cheers1:

buttercarp
28-12-11, 12:43
What about the herbs? Unless you don't believe in TCM.

Yalor....I buy chrysanthemum flowers and wolfberry which are from Ningxia and Hangzhou to make tea which I drink daily, liddat then how?

Then I drink green tea everyday which is from Japan.