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From CM6 to CM7, there is a major shift in the Govt thinking of making the ownership of second property for Singaporeans, and first property for PR become much more costly. This is a very interesting shift and one needs to think of the logic behind, particularly with the low interest rate, high inflation and huge GLS supply.
Next, is the mega MRT plan. Such mega plan is to support a big population, and a huge population is needed to support the running of such mega MRT network.
So, if I read this two together, the last piece of the puzzle is the population policy. PM Lee and DPM Teo have both hinted on the needs of more heads in Singapore. We need growth, We cannot be like Japan, super low birth rate, no growth, and ageing nation. It is asking for deep trouble in future.
So, my take is population policy will be the next one, and follow by the master plan 2013.
This round, the intake rate, I guesstimate, will be in the region of 100,000 to 120,000 per year. And the focus is to convert them into new citizen and have their first property. Definitely, Govt is now much more choosey.
HK is targetting 10m from existing of 7m. If we don't take the good ones now, we will left with nothing.
thomastansb
18-01-13, 09:29
Even if the lines announced are fully operational now, it is just enough only for the current population. You have to wait 3 to 4 trains everyday now. Sometimes, 5-6 trains. The queue starts from the MRT gantry before the escalator. That is how bad it is now. Don't believe me, try Eunos, Kallang, Hougang, Jurong East, Bishan.
From CM6 to CM7, there is a major shift in the Govt thinking of making the ownership of second property for Singaporeans, and first property for PR become much more costly. This is a very interesting shift and one needs to think of the logic behind, particularly with the low interest rate, high inflation and huge GLS supply.
Next, is the mega MRT plan. Such mega plan is to support a big population, and a huge population is needed to support the running of such mega MRT network.
So, if I read this two together, the last piece of the puzzle is the population policy. PM Lee and DPM Teo have both hinted on the needs of more heads in Singapore. We need growth, We cannot be like Japan, super low birth rate, no growth, and ageing nation. It is asking for deep trouble in future.
So, my take is population policy will be the next one, and follow by the master plan 2013.
This round, the intake rate, I guesstimate, will be in the region of 100,000 to 120,000 per year. And the focus is to convert them into new citizen and have their first property. Definitely, Govt is now much more choosey.
HK is targetting 10m from existing of 7m. If we don't take the good ones now, we will left with nothing.
Even if the lines announced are fully operational now, it is just enough only for the current population. You have to wait 3 to 4 trains everyday now. Sometimes, 5-6 trains. The queue starts from the MRT gantry before the escalator. That is how bad it is now. Don't believe me, try Eunos, Kallang, Hougang, Jurong East, Bishan.
I believe you. In Bukit Batok, it is 3-4 trains before you can squeeze yourself in. Referring to morning rush hour. Soon, those living near the mrt interchange stations will find that there is no value. 1 station to interchange station is the worst location you can have. Peak hour takes 20 minutes to travel 1 station to
interchange station! Wonder if pple will start avoiding properties located 1 station away from the mrt interchange stations ! especially if you need to go to the interchange station to travel to work. I will.
From CM6 to CM7, there is a major shift in the Govt thinking of making the ownership of second property for Singaporeans, and first property for PR become much more costly. This is a very interesting shift and one needs to think of the logic behind, particularly with the low interest rate, high inflation and huge GLS supply.
Next, is the mega MRT plan. Such mega plan is to support a big population, and a huge population is needed to support the running of such mega MRT network.
So, if I read this two together, the last piece of the puzzle is the population policy. PM Lee and DPM Teo have both hinted on the needs of more heads in Singapore. We need growth, We cannot be like Japan, super low birth rate, no growth, and ageing nation. It is asking for deep trouble in future.
So, my take is population policy will be the next one, and follow by the master plan 2013.
This round, the intake rate, I guesstimate, will be in the region of 100,000 to 120,000 per year. And the focus is to convert them into new citizen and have their first property. Definitely, Govt is now much more choosey.
HK is targetting 10m from existing of 7m. If we don't take the good ones now, we will left with nothing.
Could all these announcements and cm7 be the consequence of the by-election knowing that housing and transport issues would be foremost on the minds of the voters? If questioned during the rally, wouldn't these serve as steps being taken to alleviate the issues?
Could all these announcements and cm7 be a consequence of the by-election knowing that housing and transport issues would be foremost on the minds of the voters? If questioned during the rally, wouldn't these serve as steps being taken to alleviate the issues?
I doubt it is becos of by-election especially for the MRT lines, it needs lot of time of planning.
CM7 on private properties came as a big surprise to me. It was too soon just after CM6, and too much, too harsh. So there must be a bigger agenda behind.
with a home near mrt, it provide you with an option / alternative then driving or take a bus.
it is not only YOU stay in your home. think abt your children and old men who travels at non-peak hours. They can make use of the MRT...while you can jolly well drive around ...even with high COE, didn't you notice roads are jam up everywhere ?
population problem is not the only problem. it is how efficient n effective is the planning of rail network. If there is only one track, there is nothing you can do t o distribute the load of passengers....think abt it...
Even if the lines announced are fully operational now, it is just enough only for the current population. You have to wait 3 to 4 trains everyday now. Sometimes, 5-6 trains. The queue starts from the MRT gantry before the escalator. That is how bad it is now. Don't believe me, try Eunos, Kallang, Hougang, Jurong East, Bishan.
I only can say, our MRT is not up to standard. You look at HK, u clear by the second train at most. During peak, they are running at per minute.
Perhaps, we shall follow Tokyo, just push everyone in. Somehow, a lot of people just simply refuse to move inside, be it in buses or in train.
BTW, I don't take train or bus during peak hours. It is about time for me to get a senior citizen pass.
From CM6 to CM7, there is a major shift in the Govt thinking of making the ownership of second property for Singaporeans, and first property for PR become much more costly. This is a very interesting shift and one needs to think of the logic behind, particularly with the low interest rate, high inflation and huge GLS supply.
Next, is the mega MRT plan. Such mega plan is to support a big population, and a huge population is needed to support the running of such mega MRT network.
So, if I read this two together, the last piece of the puzzle is the population policy. PM Lee and DPM Teo have both hinted on the needs of more heads in Singapore. We need growth, We cannot be like Japan, super low birth rate, no growth, and ageing nation. It is asking for deep trouble in future.
So, my take is population policy will be the next one, and follow by the master plan 2013.
This round, the intake rate, I guesstimate, will be in the region of 100,000 to 120,000 per year. And the focus is to convert them into new citizen and have their first property. Definitely, Govt is now much more choosey.
HK is targetting 10m from existing of 7m. If we don't take the good ones now, we will left with nothing.
For me, it is a clear signal that the policy makers are chasing after the 6mil population (via immigration), and need to hit this KPI in the next 5 years. Also, the recent changes in E-passes, the P1 pass criteria is asking for a monthly salary of $12K. Soon, there will be more higher paid foreign workers that the locals. P2 pass is $4.5K per month. Most of us employed, will never see salary of $12K (P1 pass) per month ! Long time ago, I heard that 8mil population was the target! could be another moving goal post.
From CM6 to CM7, there is a major shift in the Govt thinking of making the ownership of second property for Singaporeans, and first property for PR become much more costly. This is a very interesting shift and one needs to think of the logic behind, particularly with the low interest rate, high inflation and huge GLS supply.
Next, is the mega MRT plan. Such mega plan is to support a big population, and a huge population is needed to support the running of such mega MRT network.
So, if I read this two together, the last piece of the puzzle is the population policy. PM Lee and DPM Teo have both hinted on the needs of more heads in Singapore. We need growth, We cannot be like Japan, super low birth rate, no growth, and ageing nation. It is asking for deep trouble in future.
So, my take is population policy will be the next one, and follow by the master plan 2013.
This round, the intake rate, I guesstimate, will be in the region of 100,000 to 120,000 per year. And the focus is to convert them into new citizen and have their first property. Definitely, Govt is now much more choosey.
HK is targetting 10m from existing of 7m. If we don't take the good ones now, we will left with nothing.
Agree.....
phantom_opera
18-01-13, 09:50
PAP must change it profit driven mindset on public transport ... such thing as airport express train is already available in HK ... in Singapore no one dares to mention it :beats-me-man:
and it is only recently LTA requires operators to have train every 5 mins during off peak hours :doh:
Even if the lines announced are fully operational now, it is just enough only for the current population. You have to wait 3 to 4 trains everyday now. Sometimes, 5-6 trains. The queue starts from the MRT gantry before the escalator. That is how bad it is now. Don't believe me, try Eunos, Kallang, Hougang, Jurong East, Bishan.
I take train from hougang and town in peak hours its not as bad as u put it.
I doubt it is becos of by-election especially for the MRT lines, it needs lot of time of planning.
CM7 on private properties came as a big surprise to me. It was too soon just after CM6, and too much, too harsh. So there must be a bigger agenda behind.
No doubt there is a lot of planning involved but isn't the timing of the MRT announcement a bit coincidental ? Why not announce the CRL and JRL when the full master plan is revealed.
For CM7, yes, agree with you on your point.
Could all these announcements and cm7 be the consequence of the by-election knowing that housing and transport issues would be foremost on the minds of the voters? If questioned during the rally, wouldn't these serve as steps being taken to alleviate the issues?
why not? the MRT plans should have been casted in stone for quite some time, and now brought out to be used as a political tool to sway votes
PAP must change it profit driven mindset on public transport ... such thing as airport express train is already available in HK ... in Singapore no one dares to mention it :beats-me-man:
and it is only recently LTA requires operators to have train every 5 mins during off peak hours :doh:
totally agree .. if we have one express track and another normal track then all those going from west to town can simply use express track. Pay a bit more but faster and relieved the crowd fr normal track..
The timings for both CM7 and MRT is coordinated.
Imagine the other way round..
THINK!
assuming laguna is right, what will this mean for property prices down the road? will cm7 have as big an impact and to what extent?
For me, it is a clear signal that the policy makers are chasing after the 6mil population (via immigration), and need to hit this KPI in the next 5 years. Also, the recent changes in E-passes, the P1 pass criteria is asking for a monthly salary of $12K. Soon, there will be more higher paid foreign workers that the locals. P2 pass is $4.5K per month. Most of us employed, will never see salary of $12K (P1 pass) per month ! Long time ago, I heard that 8mil population was the target! could be another moving goal post.
Aiyah ask for lower pay FT people say supress local pay potential. thus it was raised.
The timings for both CM7 and MRT is coordinated.
Imagine the other way round..
THINK!
Yes SIR ! your avatar very apt.... :D
phantom_opera
18-01-13, 09:59
totally agree .. if we have one express track and another normal track then all those going from west to town can simply use express track. Pay a bit more but faster and relieved the crowd fr normal track..
actually they can dig under NSL / EWL to have the express train that stops only at interchange stations
of course .. not profitable one loh
just need someone to trigger this question in STimes or Meet MP gathering...
PAP must change it profit driven mindset on public transport ... such thing as airport express train is already available in HK ... in Singapore no one dares to mention it :beats-me-man:
and it is only recently LTA requires operators to have train every 5 mins during off peak hours :doh:
how far is the airport in HK to HK city and how far is our airport to city ? :doh: :doh: :doh: how to justify airport express.
assuming laguna is right, what will this mean for property prices down the road? will cm7 have as big an impact and to what extent?
there are two separate issues. CM7 is for the now - to cool the current market, not to tamper with population growth or demand.
the writing is on the wall when goverment announced plans to develop tengah, simpang (wherever on earth that is) and bidahari. the only thing that caught me by surprise is that they didn't make any announcements about ERL
there are two separate issues. CM7 is for the now - to cool the current market, not to tamper with population growth or demand.
the writing is on the wall when goverment announced plans to develop tengah, simpang (wherever on earth that is) and bidahari. the only thing that caught me by surprise is that they didn't make any announcements about ERL
ERL is announced just got to wait for the actual stations.
Properties in SG is for long term. Minimum 5 years.
The longer you hold the better it is.
Population growth is needed to fund this lines. GLS will not be cheap. They need the money.
But the balance is tilted towards 1st timers. And potential SC candidates will think doubly hard to get their pink IC.
You must understand that the government is very focused once the decision is made. And all seems that they are convinced the best way forward to safeguard economic growth is a larger population. Once this approach is cast in stone, all efforts (housing, transport, immigration policy, fiscal policy ...) will push towards this target. The recent announcements support this ...
the question remains - what is the target? 6M 8M or more?
For your information, those lines are ready by 2030.. Now we are in 2012... But I feel those lines are actually mean for our GDP... With the the casino completed and alot of housing going to TOP soon, we will need something to maintain our construction sector. So government to be build MRT and roads.. Just my view...
And also it is really bad at JE during peak hours... The platform is almost full... Lucky we have the door now.. Last time really scary if u stand in front... To be frank, our infrastructure is still lagging our current population now.. All the major expressway are like car parks during peak hours. I feel the government will be slowon population growth as they scare lose another one or two GRC. What make them fair so badly in the last election? The population growth. For them it is impt to be elected.. Whether we have 1% growth or 20% growth does not matter to them. Unless the people say ok to another population boom, I don't feel they will have big changes to the population thing again. Did u even heard the government say the 6 million target anymore after the election?
there are two separate issues. CM7 is for the now - to cool the current market, not to tamper with population growth or demand.
the writing is on the wall when goverment announced plans to develop tengah, simpang (wherever on earth that is) and bidahari. the only thing that caught me by surprise is that they didn't make any announcements about ERL
Yep...agree with you on the first point but wouldn't it also dampen demand?
On yr second pt, the political brownie points of an ERL station announcement is way less than the current announcement as it does not directly tackle the congestion and disruptions in the train services in the current lines. If you saw the TV interview (check out http://www.channelnewsasia.com/video/index.php?vidfile=w130117_sg_mrtlines.flv), the minister stressed that that " it will be a more resilient network to mitigate disruptions".
phantom_opera
18-01-13, 10:14
how far is the airport in HK to HK city and how far is our airport to city ? :doh: :doh: :doh: how to justify airport express.
airport express can stop at major interchanges e.g. EWL express
JE - Buena Vista (CCL) - Outram Park (NEL) - Raffles Place/City Hall - Paya Lebar (CCL) - Tampines (DLT3) - Changi Airport
this will also divert peak hour traffic
of course ... too expensive loh ;)
ERL is announced just got to wait for the actual stations.
ERL announced, but no drawings or powerpoints. CRL/JRL already has powerpoint with swee-swee colours.
Yep...agree with you on the first point but wouldn't it also dampen demand?
On yr second pt, the political brownie points of an ERL station announcement is way less than the current announcement as it does not directly tackle the congestion and disruptions in the train services in the current lines. If you saw the TV interview (check out http://www.channelnewsasia.com/video/index.php?vidfile=w130117_sg_mrtlines.flv), the minister stressed that that " it will be a more resilient network to mitigate disruptions".
try getting on a train at bedok mrt during peak hours, and tell me if it's congested.
I have been saying. The message is very clear. SC buying first home is the objective. Let them buy before floodgates to FT is open again and cm7 is lifted.
Cm7 and mrt announcements are times for this by election. After it, then white paper will be released. And they will say they have planned and taken all measures to ensure SC priority comes first
You must understand that the government is very focused once the decision is made. And all seems that they are convinced the best way forward to safeguard economic growth is a larger population. Once this approach is cast in stone, all efforts (housing, transport, immigration policy, fiscal policy ...) will push towards this target. The recent announcements support this ...
the question remains - what is the target? 6M 8M or more?
conservative estimate is 100k-150k per year to reach 6 Million
:cool:before the next election
there are two separate issues. CM7 is for the now - to cool the current market, not to tamper with population growth or demand.
the writing is on the wall when goverment announced plans to develop tengah, simpang (wherever on earth that is) and bidahari. the only thing that caught me by surprise is that they didn't make any announcements about ERL
Cm7 is to allow SC have the most privileges to buy. Whether it can cool or correct, it doesn't matter. What matters is This is the window created for SC first timers. Buy Now or regret later
Most likely scenario..
Before 2016 GE, the populatino will be kept at the targetted 6mil. The TBC stations in 2015 is meant for that. JLD in 2015 is still one small portion of the JLD vision.
By 2025-2030, target population could be anywhere between 7-8mil. The TBC stations in 2025-2030 will cater for this. JLD will only be mostly operational and realised masterplan by then as well.
phantom_opera
18-01-13, 10:45
BUY ON DIP !!! :D
I believe you. In Bukit Batok, it is 3-4 trains before you can squeeze yourself in. Referring to morning rush hour. Soon, those living near the mrt interchange stations will find that there is no value. 1 station to interchange station is the worst location you can have. Peak hour takes 20 minutes to travel 1 station to
interchange station! Wonder if pple will start avoiding properties located 1 station away from the mrt interchange stations ! especially if you need to go to the interchange station to travel to work. I will.
One man's meat is another man's poison - depends on the direction you travel actually.
Cm7 is to allow SC have the most privileges to buy. Whether it can cool or correct, it doesn't matter. What matters is This is the window created for SC first timers. Buy Now or regret later
Agreed. But think 1st timer need to use this advantage wisely.
Only 1 shot for 1 kill:cool:
ERL announced, but no drawings or powerpoints. CRL/JRL already has powerpoint with swee-swee colours.
Main thing is that ERL has nothing to do with Punggol East, while CRL has everything to do with it.
The elliptical circle has a lot of meaning behind it - especially to residents there.
Then why JRL? Must be more subtle right? Just announce one side then too obvious already.
Agreed. But think 1st timer need to use this advantage wisely.
Only 1 shot for 1 kill:cool:
buy biggest in best location available, since it is not like every 2yr can change easily liao;)
try getting on a train at bedok mrt during peak hours, and tell me if it's congested.
haha...agree..its just not about the congestion/disruptions....wanted to put it more subtly but kelonguni already said it out loud....
Main thing is that ERL has nothing to do with Punggol East, while CRL has everything to do with it.
The elliptical circle has a lot of meaning behind it - especially to residents there.
Then why JRL? Must be more subtle right? Just announce one side then too obvious already.
puffer_fish
18-01-13, 11:27
hi all,
am i correct to say that singapore population will surpass Hong Kong?
more mrt build means car will be always expensive?
property prices will be sustainable by local and foreigners?
it might not go up nor down drastically?
phantom_opera
18-01-13, 11:29
get used to 100k COEs guys ....
Perhaps, we shall follow Tokyo, just push everyone in. Somehow, a lot of people just simply refuse to move inside, be it in buses or in train.
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The MRT doors design arrangement should be changed and doors should not be symmetrically opposite, and the door opening(exist and entrance) at stations should be staggered. Meaning one station berth at port side, and next station at berth starboard side
The MRT doors design arrangement should be changed and doors should not be symmetrically opposite, and the door opening(exist and entrance) at stations should be staggered. Meaning one station berth at port side, and next station at berth starboard side
I also suggest train be double decked. Upstairs have entertainment like KTV , trains going to casino have casino. Make the trip enjoyable.
Also those who want less crowd pay 1st class canon fair. Those want cheap can go squeeze with the cattle. Give people choices .
Cm7 is to allow SC have the most privileges to buy. Whether it can cool or correct, it doesn't matter. What matters is This is the window created for SC first timers. Buy Now or regret later
eh, wrong message leh. KenoBiWan already said wait if you can afford too, not buy NOW
The MRT doors design arrangement should be changed and doors should not be symmetrically opposite, and the door opening(exist and entrance) at stations should be staggered. Meaning one station berth at port side, and next station at berth starboard side
structurally not possible, unless URA tears down the entire station and re-engineer the tracks
structurally not possible, unless URA tears down the entire station and re-engineer the tracks
Everything is possible. We have double lifts in town too. Just redesign the tracks. A&a the stations.
eh, wrong message leh. KenoBiWan already said wait if you can afford too, not buy NOW
buy now= buy during this window of oppty
wait = wait for the market to digest cm7 and still buy during this window
muahahah
proud owner
18-01-13, 12:45
hi all
let me put all my views in 1 page , rather than replying to individual points
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Laguna is right about the CM6/7 and the new lines...
Our govt is very smart ..
they have all these infrastructural plans ready ALL ALONG..just waiting for the right time, to announce them, at a time to their benefit.. so by-election is one good time to announce a goodie..
i had taken mrt from Orchard to Raffles place many times, during peak hour , both to work and back ... indeed, very very crowded, especially at Dolby Ghaut station (where the NEL line intersects) ..
for a long time now, since 2005, i have been saying,,to increase pop from 4 to 6 mio, we need at least 500,000 homes to house the increase.
2mio (4 to a family, couple + 4 kids conservatively) we need 500,000 homes. Assuming 15 k new homes built everyday, it wud take 33 yrs.
Assuming 25 homes built everyday, it wud take 20 yrs..
its only 8 yrs now since 2005, and the prop prices have already rallied more than 100 pct. If we do not control the runaway prices, what wud be the price , PSF , in 2025 ? (20 yrs from 2005)
by which time, when we have a pop of 6 mio, everywhere in spore, you can and will find housing. We cannot afford to have everyone living in D 1/3/5/9/10/11/15/16/19/20/21 right ?
so places like D17/23/26/27/28 will soon be built up..more amenities, and HOPEFULLY SCHOOLS too.....
as for MRT ... i thought we aspire to have world class transport ? what haapen ? our MRT stations and trains feel new... but the network is not impressive.
Take NYC as example ... almost 100 yr old ... it has lines running parrallel, but stops at alternate streets... say A stops at street 2,6,10,14 ...while B stops at 4,8,12...and at some areas, they both stop at the same station like at TimeSquare ...or Grand central station ... and they are all main lines, not circle lines.
No one has to walk more than 2 blocks to find a station ...
I hope one day , spore's MRT network can be the same way as NYC's subway system... 24 hr service, ..a line close every few weeks for maintenance, while commuters can still use the other line.
what is highly lacking in spore amidst all these housing constructions, is school ...
if govt can build more schools in the burbs, many singaporeans will be willing to move there ... instead of all cramping into certain districts, pushing prices to unreal levels ...
if theres a primary school in pasir panjang... D5 closer to South Buona vista end will be more populated.
the same for Sringleaf/Springside/Seletar D26/27/28 ....there is no primary school at all ....
so MOE, i know you are reading this.... so something about it ....
so to welcome an additional 2 mio people to our shore, its not just about building enough condos, or trains.... schools are equally important ...
was reading the press release.. the last para "The Government will continue to augment the capacity of the existing rail lines and plan new lines to support the growth in population, as well as the changing travel needs of commuters."
in bold are their 2 sweet reasons. loud and clear.
I take train from hougang and town in peak hours its not as bad as u put it.
I assume u taking NEL. Try Boon Kheng and Little India... you will be very lucky to board the 1st incoming during peak hours....
was reading the press release.. the last para "The Government will continue to augment the capacity of the existing rail lines and plan new lines to support the growth in population, as well as the changing travel needs of commuters."
in bold are their 2 sweet reasons. loud and clear.
Housing and Transport!
ABSD and COE!
Housing and Transport!
ABSD and COE!
all other consumption: GST :D
proud owner
18-01-13, 12:58
was reading the press release.. the last para "The Government will continue to augment the capacity of the existing rail lines and plan new lines to support the growth in population, as well as the changing travel needs of commuters."
in bold are their 2 sweet reasons. loud and clear.
install charging points for our cell phone???
get used to 100k COEs guys ....
I don' think so. 100k COE is politically unsustainable.
It smacks of elitism...
But they will kill us with exorbitant ERP
phantom_opera
18-01-13, 13:07
I don' think so. 100k COE is politically unsustainable.
It smacks of elitism...
But they will kill us with exorbitant ERP
Leaving all the new MRT lines unprofitable will be even more unacceptable to the twin dragon head of Singapore i.e. Temasek and GIC
I don' think so. 100k COE is politically unsustainable.
It smacks of elitism...
But they will kill us with exorbitant ERP
ERP is passe....it will be GPS-based taxation
drive more, pay more
all sales personnel will switch to desk-bound jobs and towkays keep their mercs in the garage
mac donalds and KFC will cancel their delivery service
install charging points for our cell phone???
and touch screen panels or QR codes to do grocery shopping?
proud owner
18-01-13, 13:17
ERP is passe....it will be GPS-based taxation
drive more, pay more
all sales personnel will switch to desk-bound jobs and towkays keep their mercs in the garage
mac donalds and KFC will cancel their delivery service
most fast food delivery in manhattan use bicycles bro ... rain snow or shine ...
most fast food delivery in manhattan use bicycles bro ... rain snow or shine ...
let's import more FTs = ah tiongs!! kuai-di beijing style, and your horfun won't be spilled or else money back guarantee :D :D
most fast food delivery in manhattan use bicycles bro ... rain snow or shine ...
Very tiring leh. No wonder Lance Armstrong cheated. :D
MIW more cycling paths pls .
proud owner
18-01-13, 13:25
let's import more FTs = ah tiongs!! kuai-di beijing style, and your horfun won't be spilled or else money back guarantee :D :D
those guys are really fit...
imagine cycling in the snow ...
on top of that ...cos their bikes get stolen when u go up the apt to deliver ..they sling a massive chain around their body ..use it to chain the bike to lamp post ...
its weights training too ...
those guys are really fit...
imagine cycling in the snow ...
on top of that ...cos their bikes get stolen when u go up the apt to deliver ..they sling a massive chain around their body ..use it to chain the bike to lamp post ...
its weights training too ...
then i've got an even better solution!!!!
give them free citizenship and recruit them into the army! no more reservists and NS
most fast food delivery in manhattan use bicycles bro ... rain snow or shine ...
i think the difference is that SG is very very hot...try walking whole day in London versus just 2 hours in SG, very tiring you know...and beside perspire liao see bei chow...
i play 36 holes golf in Kuming before.. weather very cool and nice.. after the games, still so fresh and at night still can go party.. in SG, can be quite tiring and moreover I consider my fitness level above average.
proud owner
18-01-13, 13:44
i think the difference is that SG is very very hot...try walking whole day in London versus just 2 hours in SG, very tiring you know...and beside perspire liao see bei chow...
i play 36 holes golf in Kuming before.. weather very cool and nice.. after the games, still so fresh and at night still can go party.. in SG, can be quite tiring and moreover I consider my fitness level above average.
totally agree
i also say to my wife ... if spore is 5 deg cooler ... it wud be almost perfect
From CM6 to CM7, there is a major shift in the Govt thinking of making the ownership of second property for Singaporeans, and first property for PR become much more costly. This is a very interesting shift and one needs to think of the logic behind, particularly with the low interest rate, high inflation and huge GLS supply.
Next, is the mega MRT plan. Such mega plan is to support a big population, and a huge population is needed to support the running of such mega MRT network.
So, if I read this two together, the last piece of the puzzle is the population policy. PM Lee and DPM Teo have both hinted on the needs of more heads in Singapore. We need growth, We cannot be like Japan, super low birth rate, no growth, and ageing nation. It is asking for deep trouble in future.
So, my take is population policy will be the next one, and follow by the master plan 2013.
This round, the intake rate, I guesstimate, will be in the region of 100,000 to 120,000 per year. And the focus is to convert them into new citizen and have their first property. Definitely, Govt is now much more choosey.
HK is targetting 10m from existing of 7m. If we don't take the good ones now, we will left with nothing.
in a nutshell and from the view of the common man in the street such an analysis can only mean one thing with regards to singapores future....
HUAT...Ahhhhhh:D:D:D:D
dont worry we are safe...for next many many years...dont scared of iskandar...dont scared of HK...dont scared of china...SINGAPORE BOLEH:D
totally agree
i also say to my wife ... if spore is 5 deg cooler ... it wud be almost perfect
hahha, i always say the same thing... SG very good except the weather...
i hope one day they can invent some giantic generator take in the hot air and emits out cool air at a fraction of energy used...
totally agree
i also say to my wife ... if spore is 5 deg cooler ... it wud be almost perfect
i said same thing to my wife u know what he answer then we would have 5 children...wahhaah...when weather cold dont want to get out of bed when in bed u know what happen...wahhaahha:D:D:D
proud owner
18-01-13, 21:45
i said same thing to my wife u know what he answer then we would have 5 children...wahhaah...when weather cold dont want to get out of bed when in bed u know what happen...wahhaahha:D:D:D
Ahhahaha
Reminds me of an incident in the office.
One day it was raining really heavy. And it was really cool, that afternoon.
So I asked my colleagues, ' you know, what's the best thing to do now? '
He said, ' eat steam boat'
The whole room burst into laughter
the ladies will love 5 degree cooler weather. they'll all be out in their knee high boots.
structurally not possible, unless URA tears down the entire station and re-engineer the tracks
It should re engineer the station instead.
I also suggest train be double decked. Upstairs have entertainment like KTV , trains going to casino have casino. Make the trip enjoyable.
Also those who want less crowd pay 1st class canon fair. Those want cheap can go squeeze with the cattle. Give people choices .
Good thought.. !!:D
ERP is passe....it will be GPS-based taxation
drive more, pay more
all sales personnel will switch to desk-bound jobs and towkays keep their mercs in the garage
mac donalds and KFC will cancel their delivery service
thats what i heard too...:hell-hath-no-fury:
I wouldn't mind if they have an efficient system like HK and not as crowded as current situation ... It's been more than a decade since I last took mrt ... I can't imagine to find myself in the same crowd I see in some of the pictures on the web ... It's already daunting to shop on weekends ... The whole island is just at boiling point waiting for some triggers ... High density certainly brings more conflict in day to day ... Open space and holidays are ever getting more important, and its worth every cent to pay for that serenity in this overcrowded society
i avoid orchard road on weekends. the crowd is :simmering: :simmering: and moreover, i feel like a minority with the throngs of foreigners all around
The subway in NYC is going to celebrate their 100th birthday.
U see the complexity of their schedule, peak vs non-peak, one track runnings some many lines....and still in excellent working condition...
Of course, one thing I don't like, a lot of foot work in climbing...
Population White Paper coming out real soon/.
Looks like 7 million is the magic number.
Hold tight (your properties), the ride up is going to start again soon!
DKSG
*faints*
Hope the time scale is enough for the infrastructure to cope. :simmering:
MIW please revise the plot ratios upwards.
Population White Paper coming out real soon/.
Looks like 7 million is the magic number.
Hold tight (your properties), the ride up is going to start again soon!
DKSG
have to hold till 2030.
*faints*
Hope the time scale is enough for the infrastructure to cope. :simmering:
MIW please revise the plot ratios upwards.
everything re-write to 4.8. heh.
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