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richardsng_era
01-08-08, 16:14
Launching Soon! Watch out for updates.

sure or not
01-08-08, 16:35
Is this the 3 previously en bloc properties joined together? Steady lah.

CDL even promoted it as being the new premier residential location of Singapore. Yeah until the buyers see the short time hotels lining Balestier Rd.

mr funny
15-08-08, 20:29
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/latest/story/0,4574,292349,00.html?

August 14, 2008, 1.55 pm (Singapore time)

CityDev plans to launch 400 pte homes in 2H2008

By KALPANA RASHIWALA


City Developments said on Thursday that it plans to launch 400 private homes in Singapore in the second half of this year, subject to market conditions.

The 400 units comprise 200 units in the second phase of Livia, a 99-year leasehold condo in Pasir Ris, and 100 units each at The Arte at Thomson and The Quayside Collection at Sentosa Cove.

At a second quarter results briefing on Thursday, the group also said it has achieved average prices of S$1,500 to S$1,600 per square foot for Shelford Suites and S$650-670 per square foot for the first phase of Livia.

mr funny
28-08-08, 10:42
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/suite/story/0,4574,294318,00.html?

Published August 28, 2008

Developers weigh odds for launches after Ghost Month

Some may want to test market now rather than risk deterioration in sentiment

By KALPANA RASHIWALA


(SINGAPORE) Some developers have been quietly oiling their launch machinery in the past few weeks as they get ready for previews and launches, especially with the Hungry Ghosts Month ending this Saturday.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2008-08-28/BT_IMAGES_KRNEW28.jpg
Boulevard Vue's facade will be designed by well-known Japanese interior designer Super Potato. The freehold project's 26 apartments (one per floor) are about 4,500 sq ft each, while the two duplex penthouses occupying the top four levels are 8,000-plus sq ft and 11,000-plus sq ft.

With the property outlook expected to worsen before it gets better, there may just be an incentive for some to launch their projects sooner - or wait it out till late-2009/2010, a seasoned property consultant told BT.

Another consultant, Knight Frank executive director Peter Ow, said: 'Whatever name you call it - preview, private invitation, etc, the aim is for developers to test the market. If the response is sufficient at the price they want, they'll begin sales. If the response isn't up to what they want, they won't sell. As a developer, you don't want to risk launching a project, selling a few units and getting stuck.'

Projects that have begun to be previewed this month include Far East Organization's 85-unit freehold Miro at the corner of Lincoln and Keng Lee roads (at an average $1,600 per square foot) and a 54-unit cluster housing project at Greenwood Avenue. Units in the 103-year leasehold development range from 3,000 to 3,700 sq ft.

Over at Nathan Road, Tat Aik Group has been inviting potential buyers to view Nathan Residences, a 91-unit freehold project priced at around $2,000 psf on average.

Keppel Land is also expected to release this weekend in Hong Kong and Singapore about 30-40 units under the next phase of Reflections at Keppel Bay.

The average price is expected to be similar to the earlier phase launched around April last year, at about $1,800 to $2,000 psf. Deferred payment is expected to continue to be offered.

Hong Fok Corporation's 360-unit Concourse Skyline apartments at Beach Road, KepLand's 56-unit freehold Madision Residence near the junction of Bukit Timah and Keng Chin roads, and City Developments Ltd's The Arte at Thomson are understood to be other projects that could hit the market soon.

In the high-end segment - where sentiment is weakest - Far East Organization, which has already sold two units at its 28-unit luxury development Boulevard Vue at Cuscaden Road, opened its showflat for the project recently and is expected to step up marketing activity.

The project's 26 apartments (one per floor) are about 4,500 sq ft each, while the two duplex penthouses occupying the top four levels are 8,000-plus sq ft and 11,000-plus sq ft. Prices for low- and mid-level units in the 33-storey freehold project range from $3,600 psf to $3,900 psf.

BT understands the price tag for the bigger penthouse will likely be around the $4,500 psf mark, working out to an absolute sum of about $50 million. If achieved, the absolute amount would set a new record for a penthouse in Singapore.

Boulevard Vue's facade will be designed by well-known Japanese interior designer Super Potato. BT understands that the unit layouts will be customised to buyers' preference.

A critical factor affecting developers' launch decisions is pricing, given the bearish sentiment.

'Pricing will be more realistic for fresh launches, but for projects released earlier, it would be difficult for established developers to trim prices without upsetting earlier buyers, especially VIPs,' the seasoned property consultant said.

Agreeing, Jones Lang LaSalle Singapore's residential head Jacqueline Wong said: 'Such developers may just hold the remaining units in the project if necessary and have another shot at selling them upon the project's completion. For new projects too, the financially stronger players can hold off developing for a while.

'However, developers who are fairly new or need the cashflow will have to be realistic in their pricing and will be more amenable to negotiating with buyers.'

Another industry observer said that instead of outright price cuts, it may be easier for developers to attract new buyers into existing projects by offering furnishing vouchers, guaranteed yields (for newly completed projects) or arranging for attractive mortgage packages.

A mid-sized developer said: 'We have to accept the fact that prices have to be marked to market; otherwise we can't sell enough units to generate the required cashflow. For sites bought within the past 12 months, developers would need to sell at least 50 per cent of the development to generate sufficient cashflow to finance the project's construction - taking into account high land price paid and rising construction costs, among other factors.'

richardsng_era
25-02-09, 22:23
The ARTE @ Thomson Road
by City Developments Limited (CDL)





Launching Mid of March. Estimated from $9xxpsf up!!



Twin Iconic Tower soaring 36 storey high along Thomson Road
Comprising of 336 Luxurious Units


UNIT TYPES
2 Bedrooms 1,055sqft - (54 units)
3 Bedrooms 1,399sqft to 1,625sqft - (164 units)
4 Bedrooms 1,873sqft - (100 units)
Sky Suites 2,896sqft - (8 units)
Sky Villas 2,616sqft to 4,015sqft - (10 units)


FULL CONDOMINIUM RECREATIONAL FACILITIES
Guard House, Guard Post, Sculpture Plaza, Arrival Plaza,
Reflective Pool, Water Court Garden, Eco Pond, Workout Station,
Children Playground, Tennis Court, Party Lawn, Grill Garden,
Clubhouse, Party Deck, Outdoor Lounge, 50m Lap Pool,
Children Play Pool, Sun Deck, Cabanas Pool Deck, Steam Baths,
Work-Out Room, Yoga Court, Reflexology Walk, Garden Walk, Jogging Track.


SELLING POINTS
Designed by award architect firm, SCDA. Portfolio include The Ladyhill, Lincoln Modern etc
Facing City SkyLine, McRitchie Reservoir & Singapore Polo Club.
Within 1km from CHIJ Toa Payoh.
Close proximity to SJI Institure, Catholic JC, Anglo Chinese School, Curtin University, Queens Margaret University Asia Campus.
Dual exit to Thomson Road and Balestier Road
Easy access to Toa Payoh, Novena MRT, Novena Square, United Square.
Minutes Drive to Orchard / CBD
CDL is renowned for their Quality Finishings


Please register early for Preview Launch to secure choice units.

gfoo
25-02-09, 22:38
Is Arte considered Thomson or Balestier? to get into jln raja udang where it is located one must drive along balestier road. the other end of the development is bordered by the PIE

august
25-02-09, 23:24
drove past it today. Should be considered balestier ~

at exit (jln datoh to balestier rd) got building under construction... probably a shopping mall

gfoo
25-02-09, 23:33
lol then that makes metropolitan closer to orchard than Arte is.

'close to ACS' - a little misleading, it's over 2km away by road

august
25-02-09, 23:46
lol then that makes metropolitan closer to orchard than Arte is.

'close to ACS' - a little misleading, it's over 2km away by road


it also feels congested.. balestier itself traffic is always heavy. jln datoh itself is a 1-way street, next time coming out may be problematic...

Also Far East has a project coming up, right next to Arte, think not launched yet.

gfoo
25-02-09, 23:53
why does it seem to me that the marketing integrity of developers was thrown out of the window since 2006, and in 2008, plunged right into the depths of hell?

sheesh

august
25-02-09, 23:59
why does it seem to me that the marketing integrity of developers was thrown out of the window since 2006, and in 2008, plunged right into the depths of hell?

sheesh

strange, looks like there is an ACS Pri smack in the vicinity according to the map here... http://www.virtualhomes.sg/casafortuna

gfoo
26-02-09, 00:07
lol they are purposely using old maps. ACPS was at ah hood only from 1998 to 2002 during the renovation of the barket campus.


acps/acs barker is at barker road directly opp balmoral. from arte/ah hood, you would have to go down balestier rd, go down thomson road, down novena, down newton, go round the circle, and get on bukit timah, u turn, and reach barker. that's over 2 clicks by car, and about 10 minutes by car (5 traffic lights). with the balestier/thomson, and newton congestion in the morning, that's at least half an hour in the mornings

august
26-02-09, 00:19
wah piang! old map, no wonder ~
ya the acs i know is at barker rd

orange
26-02-09, 00:53
ACS Junior is at Peck Hay Rd. Go round Newton Circle, exit at Clemenceau Ave North, turn right into Peck Hay. Shorter distance than Barker!

Rapister
26-02-09, 12:55
who want to stay at ah hood road

hood here hood there

stupid lah

fire
26-02-09, 13:04
900+++psf.... I am beginning to wonder if there is an economic crisis in the 1st place. Prices goes up during boom times but never seemed to come down to pre-boom prices. The Singapore economy really confuses me.

proud owner
26-02-09, 15:07
900+++psf.... I am beginning to wonder if there is an economic crisis in the 1st place. Prices goes up during boom times but never seemed to come down to pre-boom prices. The Singapore economy really confuses me.

like i said ...it would take a while to come close to pre boom levels ...cos the construction cost is still much higher than preboom ...developers have to build that into their pricing ..

in short ... anything that was going at 600 psf then ..would be minimal launched at 750 psf

cher
26-02-09, 16:09
900+++psf.... I am beginning to wonder if there is an economic crisis in the 1st place. Prices goes up during boom times but never seemed to come down to pre-boom prices. The Singapore economy really confuses me.

Pre-boom times??? Maybe for some projects but definately not happening to those with good location afterall in land is scare. There is just so much land near town or MRT.

kgchong
26-02-09, 21:01
900+++psf.... I am beginning to wonder if there is an economic crisis in the 1st place. Prices goes up during boom times but never seemed to come down to pre-boom prices. The Singapore economy really confuses me.

Iresidences at irrawady road even closer to novena MRT... still cannot sell... wonder how they going to sell at 900++...

But of course, I would like to view that as well... think cdl quality is good...

fire
27-02-09, 10:12
like i said ...it would take a while to come close to pre boom levels ...cos the construction cost is still much higher than preboom ...developers have to build that into their pricing ..

in short ... anything that was going at 600 psf then ..would be minimal launched at 750 psf

Looking at your point 750psf is still reasonable. Pre-boom, at best developements like The Arte will probably demand between 450-550psf max - so at 900psf I will baulk, even if it were to priced at 800psf, I will still scratch my head and wonder what the hell are we thinking paying such prices.

Brandon-Huttons-9852 5624
27-02-09, 14:41
HUTTONS proudly Presents

The ARTE
@ Thomson Road
by City Developments Limited (CDL)


http://sg.88dbmedia1.jobsdb.com/sg_UploadFiles/2009/02/27/17AA1286-76C5-4277-B9A4-732DA8E87E25.jpg


Freehold - 2 Iconic Tower of 36 Storey Development of 336 units
Expected TOP : End 2011 - Early 2012
Estimated PSF from $9xx

UNIT TYPES
2 Bedrooms 1,055sqft - (54 units)
3 Bedrooms 1,399sqft to 1,625sqft - (164 units)
4 Bedrooms 1,873sqft - (100 units)
Sky Suites 2,896sqft - (8 units)
Sky Villas 2,616sqft to 4,015sqft - (10 units)

FULL CONDOMINIUM RECREATIONAL FACILITIES
Guard House, Guard Post, Sculpture Plaza, Arrival Plaza,
Reflective Pool, Water Court Garden, Eco Pond, Workout Station,
Children Playground, Tennis Court, Party Lawn, Grill Garden,
Clubhouse, Party Deck, Outdoor Lounge, 50m Lap Pool,
Children Play Pool, Sun Deck, Cabanas Pool Deck, Steam Baths,
Work-Out Room, Yoga Court, Reflexology Walk, Garden Walk, Jogging Track.

SELLING POINTS
Designed by award architect firm, SCDA. Portfolio include The Ladyhill, Lincoln Modern etc
Facing City SkyLine, McRitchie Reservoir & Singapore Polo Club.
Within 1km from CHIJ Toa Payoh.
Close proximity to SJI, Catholic JC, Anglo Chinese School, Curtin University, Queens Margaret University Asia Campus.
Dual exit to Thomson Road and Balestier Road
Easy access to Toa Payoh & Novena MRT, Novena Square & United Square.
Minutes Drive to Orchard / CBD
Quality Finishings
Free Shuttle Bus Service Upon TOP to Novena MRT


Please register early for Preview Launch to secure choice units
& State Your choice of Bedroom Types / NAME & Contact No.

Call /sms for Floor plans & Exclusive Preview Invitation
or
email me @ [email protected]



--
Project Specialist
Brandon Huttons
Hp: 9852 5624
Associate Director
www.SGRE.com.sg

mr funny
02-03-09, 16:27
http://www.straitstimes.com/Invest/Story/STIStory_344386.html

March 1, 2009

property

Property market starting to stir

Success of two new launches encourages a few developers to release their projects

By Joyce Teo, Property Correspondent

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Over the weekend, 30 units of the 102-unit St Patrick's Residences in St Patrick's Road in the East were launched. The 646-unit Double Bay Residences in Simei should go on sale soon, with prices set at around $650 psf to $680 psf. -- PHOTO: TG DEVELOPMENT PHOTO: UOL GROUP

View more photos (http://www.straitstimes.com/gallery/Invest/Story/STIStory_344386.html)

Thanks to the mini-buzz created by two new successful launches - Caspian in Jurong and Alexis @ Alexandra - a few developers have decided to release their projects for sale.

It is an improvement, even if it is just a slight one, from the very sombre mood a month ago, when market watchers were expecting the lull in the market to continue.

Over the weekend, TG Development launched 30 units of the freehold, 102-unit St Patrick's Residences in St Patrick's Road in the East.

On average, prices start at around $675 per sq ft (psf) for a two-bedroom unit and rise to about $900 psf for a four-bedroom penthouse.

Unit sizes range from 1,152 sq ft for the two-bedroom units to 3,423sqft for the four-bedroom penthouses. Some three-bedroom units can cost just under $1 million.

The interest absorption scheme, which allows buyers - if they take a loan from the start - to defer making any payments beyond the initial down payment until the project is completed, is offered at a 3 per cent premium.

Marketing agent Savills said the condominium offers quality furnishings and fittings usually associated with prime projects, and that a few units have been sold since the preview a week ago.

Near Upper Bukit Timah, Hiap Hoe has launched The Beverly, its 118-unit condo in Toh Tuck Road.

Each unit is served by a private lift. Prices start at $648 psf; the average price is $750 psf. This means that the total price per unit should start from just below $1 million.

Unit sizes range from 1,120 sq ft for the two-bedders to 4,187 sq ft for the four-bedders. There are also double-storey penthouses from 2,099 sq ft to 3,757 sq ft. Hiap Hoe is not offering the interest absorption scheme.

Other projects expected this month include Double Bay Residences in Simei, The Arte in Thomson, Domus in Irrawaddy Road and an 18-storey project in River Valley.

These are in the mass- to mid-market categories that, unlike the high-end segment, are still attracting buyers.

New home sales in January had plunged to a new low as developers and buyers kept to the sidelines.

The two new projects that sold very well about two to three weeks ago - Caspian and Alexis - helped revive the market mood to a certain extent.

The Caspian showflat was packed during the preview, when 300 out of 712 units were sold at average prices starting from $580 psf. So far, more than 500 units have been sold.

The 293 Alexis units were all sold at $950 psf to $1,250 psf, but the absolute prices were reasonable, given that most units are small.

At a results briefing last Thursday, City Developments' Kwek Leng Joo cited the good take-up at the two projects as proof that there is still demand.

'The good response to recent launches is true,' he said.

Still, the stock market and buying sentiment remain weak.

Ms Phylicia Ang, director of Savills Residential, said: 'The affordability threshold is key at this point. In the current market, it is important to price projects at an attractive level to attract buyers.'

The UOL group should start selling the 646-unit Double Bay Residences near the Simei MRT station soon. It declined to give pricing details of the 99-year leasehold condo until the launch, but there is talk that prices will be around $650 psf to $680 psf.

The one-bedders start at 538 sq ft, the two-bedroom units from 915sq ft, while the big units can go up to 3,703 sq ft.

Along Thomson Road, The Arte is expected to be released for preview sale by the middle of the month.

Property agents have advertised the preview of the 336-unit, freehold condo at prices starting at more than $950 psf.

About half of the project, or 164 units, are three-bedroom units from 1,399 sq ft to 1,625 sq ft. Another 100 units are 1,873 sq ft four-bedders.

There are also advertisements for the preview of the 18-storey, 67-unit project in River Valley, which offers the interest absorption scheme. It has mostly small units - 32 are 635 sq ft apartments and 30 are 1,044 sq ft units.

A Chinese developer, Lakeview Developments, may also push out its 104-unit Domus this month.

High-end launches will likely be few and far between this year, as current demand is coming only from owner-occupiers or very small investors, according to a developer.

There should be more mass- to mid-market projects coming up in the next few months. These could include projects like the 99-year leasehold Ascentia Sky next to the Redhill MRT station. It offers two- to four-bedroom units from approximately 1,000 sq ft to 1,800 sq ft.

[email protected]

focus
02-03-09, 16:54
Another round of panic seems to be brewing in the global stock market..
so I would watch carefully..

xtink
19-03-09, 16:27
someone told me there are apporx 50 pax queueing at the ARTE currently for the preview starting at 930am tmrw! :scared-4: :scared-4: :scared-4:

anyone can verified that? this is crazy.....the 2bedders are not small either....do these buyers know something i don't? :confused: :scared-2:

Acer
19-03-09, 16:33
is like tat
when market so call starting to pick up
PPl dun wana miss the boat to c ppl buy they buy

when scali property crashes , the said agent mislead them just like lemen brothers case

august
20-03-09, 10:53
received a sms last night, prices starting from $850 psf.

coburn
20-03-09, 11:12
received a sms last night, prices starting from $850 psf.

is the 850psf for big sky suites or the normal 3-4 bedroom units?

august
20-03-09, 11:16
is the 850psf for big sky suites or the normal 3-4 bedroom units?

no idea, didn't ask...

wont fight with the crowd, will check it out sometime next week ~

gfoo
20-03-09, 13:46
$850-$900psf for the far end of balestier? yet another champion project. sheesh

proud owner
20-03-09, 16:47
$850-$900psf for the far end of balestier? yet another champion project. sheesh


not bad wat ? near so many famous hospitals .. communicable disease centre ... church that presumably perform exorcism ... lighting shops ...

looks like a good buy man ... 850-900 psf ...


opppps ...............

taggy
22-03-09, 14:08
the best part is, i receive a sms saying people queueing up overnight for the launch of this project.... anyone was there?

i not really interested in this project, hence din see the showflat yet

DW
22-03-09, 14:14
the best part is, i receive a sms saying people queueing up overnight for the launch of this project.... anyone was there?

i not really interested in this project, hence din see the showflat yet

People queueing up for this project ?? Unbelieveable. Is it really such a good deal ?

valmo7
22-03-09, 15:27
People queueing up for this project ?? Unbelieveable. Is it really such a good deal ?

Was told queue mainly agents (trying to simulate demand?), anybody can confirm this?

jc
22-03-09, 19:37
Is this project in District 12 instead? Main entrance is at Jln Raja Udang. Where is the Thomson part except for slip road to Thomson Rd? C'mon think buyers are silly not to realise? :doh:

mezz72sg
22-03-09, 19:46
I was there just couple of hours ago.

What greeted me the moment i stepped in was a sea of MIB!! Holly cow, it was so intimidating as all look like hungry sharks ready to swallow me and my wife.

At least 30 of them at the door entrance, and another 30 when u are inside looking at the showrooms. Today is the last day of the soft launch before full launch (see advert in papers etc) probably few weeks/mths later.

Anyways, lowest price was $760psf but that's for only 1 unit which is a 1625sqft 3 br in low floor. Most are $850psf and high floor ones are $950psf or thereabouts.

So chao chao 1 unit minimum $1,000,000!! DBS is there with IAS scheme. Int rate is 2.5%, 3%, 3%, then go up to 3.75% 4th yr onwards. Siong man!

I don't think it sold well because many of the launched units still not taken. Looking at the price list, i think about 30% taken ba. Alot of space taken by the planters/balcony which is effectively not usable space.

My :2cents: worth...

isaaclim
22-03-09, 19:48
Was told queue mainly agents (trying to simulate demand?), anybody can confirm this?

The agent thought they can sell their queue no. In fact, only 30+ units sold on Friday.

august
22-03-09, 21:24
The agent thought they can sell their queue no. In fact, only 30+ units sold on Friday.

hmm.. 30+ units in a day is quite encouraging..

gfoo
23-03-09, 09:04
I was there just couple of hours ago.

What greeted me the moment i stepped in was a sea of MIB!! Holly cow, it was so intimidating as all look like hungry sharks ready to swallow me and my wife.

At least 30 of them at the door entrance, and another 30 when u are inside looking at the showrooms. Today is the last day of the soft launch before full launch (see advert in papers etc) probably few weeks/mths later.

Anyways, lowest price was $760psf but that's for only 1 unit which is a 1625sqft 3 br in low floor. Most are $850psf and high floor ones are $950psf or thereabouts.

So chao chao 1 unit minimum $1,000,000!! DBS is there with IAS scheme. Int rate is 2.5%, 3%, 3%, then go up to 3.75% 4th yr onwards. Siong man!

I don't think it sold well because many of the launched units still not taken. Looking at the price list, i think about 30% taken ba. Alot of space taken by the planters/balcony which is effectively not usable space.

My :2cents: worth...
pfwah - 30% sold for this kind of cock project, not bad siah. really shows there's one born every day.

but feels like there is still a little pent up demand. i haven't collected keys to my unit and some indo buyer offered me a 12% premium to what i paid. Not a lot, but not bad in this climate.

Property_Owner
23-03-09, 09:50
pfwah - 30% sold for this kind of cock project, not bad siah. really shows there's one born every day.

but feels like there is still a little pent up demand. i haven't collected keys to my unit and some indo buyer offered me a 12% premium to what i paid. Not a lot, but not bad in this climate.

You mean The Sail? Btw you exercise your option already?

gfoo
23-03-09, 09:59
You mean The Sail? Btw you exercise your option already?

yup. done-ded. won't sell so soon lah, not after all that angst i've been through with the ongoing reno designs. here's a trick i learnt to ensure non-kotokability by ID:
- photoshop floor plan taking out all mention of project's name
- use maciam tender basis to 3-4 designers for quotes
- dun even mention wheretf the unit is
- sign quote with clause of excess charges not exceeding 10%, with materials specification and quality contract; get ID to commit to it
- only after that do you bring the ID to the place etc etc for measurements etc.

Even award-winning IDs with the best materials will quote you much much less than if they know that you bought a high end condo. i'm taking HDB or mass market condo reno prices here. ;)

raetan
25-03-09, 16:53
Why do these big & so-called reputable developers like to mislead consumers? Do they really think we were born yesterday? Balestier just says Balestier lah! What Arte @ Thomson? Or Pavilion 11 @ Novena? Both are clearly off Balestier Road and there they are trying to hoodwink us. The more they want to hide, the more suspicious we'll become. Anyway, Balestier so bad meh? Why every developer try so hard to hide this from us?

Next time whenever you see a new project with @ in it, you better be careful. It's likely to be the same trick again.

mr funny
27-03-09, 14:09
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/companies/story/0,4574,325574,00.html?

Published March 27, 2009

CDL sells 60 units in The Arte at Thomson


CITY Developments Ltd (CDL) sold about 60 apartments at its 336-unit project The Arte at Thomson last weekend.

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The Arte at Thomson: The freehold project comprises two-, three- and four-bedroom apartments, as well as penthouses

The developer said yesterday that the average selling price was $880 per sq foot (psf). It released 100 units during the 'private preview' and will release more this weekend.

The freehold project comprises two-, three- and four-bedroom apartments, as well as penthouses. Most of the units sold last weekend were smaller two- and three-bedders.

Unlike other recently launched projects, units at The Arte are large, which means buyers have to fork out more.

For example, two-bedders are 1,055 sq ft and three-bedders range from 1,399 sq ft to 1,625 sq ft. Assuming $880 psf for a two-bedder, the price of the smallest unit would be $928,400.

But according to CDL general manager Chia Ngiang Hong: 'The Arte offers superb value for a prime freehold property in the Thomson area. Buyers get a luxurious condo without paying a premium price.'

CDL is offering an interest absorption scheme.

Analysts expect more projects to be launched in coming weeks as developers try to capitalise on a recent surge in buying interest. They sold 1,323 new private homes last month - eleven times more than in January. Numbers are expected to be strong for March as well, on the back of sales at The Arte, and at UOL Group and Kheng Leong's Simei condominium Double Bay Residences, where more than 200 units were sold this month.

Amid the buying surge, BT understands that Far East Organization is set to launch its mass market project Mi Casa. The 457-unit development near Choa Chu Kang MRT is expected to be popular with HDB upgraders in neighbouring estates.

Separately, Tee International and Hup Soon Global said that they are teaming up with a Bangkok-based company for the Singapore launch of a freehold luxury condominium located in the Thai capital. The Surawong will be launched this weekend at the Grand Hyatt Hotel here.

mr funny
27-03-09, 14:38
http://www.straitstimes.com/Money/Story/STIStory_355164.html

March 27, 2009 Friday

Home hunters pack showflats in Balestier

By Joyce Teo


SOME home hunters have been packing showflats in the Balestier area and buying units, even as the general property market remains weak.

City Developments (CDL) said yesterday it has sold 'about 60 per cent' of the 100 units at The Arte@Thomson at an average price of $880 per sq ft since a hush-hush preview started last Friday.

The Arte has 336 fairly large units in two 36-storey blocks in Jalan Datoh, off Balestier Road.

The 60 or so units were transacted at $852,800 to $2.46 million, said a CDL spokesman.

Most of those sold were two- and three-bedroom units. The two-bedroom units are 1,055sqft, while nearly half of the project comprises three-bedroom units ranging from 1,399 sq ft to 1,625sqft.

CDL said it had extended the interest absorption scheme (IAS) to buyers during the preview at no extra cost, but could not yet say how many buyers had taken advantage of it.

'Buyers are given some time to decide if they wish to take up the IAS,' said the spokesman.

The scheme allows buyers to defer the bulk of the purchase price until completion on condition that they take up a loan at the point of sale.

The CDL spokesman said the $880 per sq ft price was being offered for a limited number of units only. 'We will be reviewing the price and adjusting it upwards progressively,' he said.

The encouraging sales at The Arte came amid a still-slow market as some other launches see relatively weak interest. Demand for high-end homes, in particular, remains poor.

New home sales in February were lifted to a relatively high level, but that was largely due to the strong sales at three mass to mid-end projects. Many buyers went for small units as their absolute prices were low, and hence affordable.

Just last week, Keppel Land deferred the construction of two yet-to-be-launched projects - Marina Bay Suites in Marina Bay and Madison Residences in Bukit Timah - because of the slumping market.

In the Balestier area, the new showflats benefited from spillover crowds from the various launches, said Savills Residential director Phylicia Ang, who is marketing the 104-unit Domus in the area.

Released for sale two weeks ago, Domus, in Irrawaddy Road, welcomed visitors who had initially attended The Arte preview.

So far, 33 units - out of the 59 launched at Domus - have been sold at an average of $900 per sq ft, or from $480,000 to $1.2 million, said Ms Ang.

The sales included 20 one-bedroom units of 474sqft.

Novelty Group's I-Residences, a 70-unit project in Irrawaddy Road, is about 50 per cent sold since its private preview late last year.

Nearby, on the former Ruby Plaza site, Soilbuild had a preview for The Mezzo, which offers a 6 per cent rental guarantee for two years. It did not comment on sales.

jc
28-03-09, 00:46
Total Rip Off. Super large balcony & planter space. Shame on CDL. Resort to this to squeeze more profit. Balestier at >$800psf? No way....

isaaclim
28-03-09, 00:58
Total Rip Off. Super large balcony & planter space. Shame on CDL. Resort to this to squeeze more profit. Balestier at >$800psf? No way....

Bro, don't like that leh. They already drop their price from 1.4k psf to less then 1k psf. They got that piece of land at high price. So, they have no much choice.

HP65
28-03-09, 09:09
Bro, don't like that leh. They already drop their price from 1.4k psf to less then 1k psf. They got that piece of land at high price. So, they have no much choice.

Just too bad for developers who bought the land too high and if they can't sell all the units. Ask the GM and senior mgmt to stay there perhaps as part of remuneration, haha.

If bought too high and market px is below purchase px, then right thing to do is to write down to fair value. Buyers are not stupid to pay for developer's mistakes. Of coz there will be some who are willing to be taken for a ride....but not me :cheers6:

mezz72sg
28-03-09, 22:45
i think and think and think, and finally decided balestier will not be the area for me.

1) The roads were already so crowded before all these new developments came on line. The small lanes are worse.

2) Balestier area if really so good, why do developers need to name it @thomson @novena etc? NONE named it @Balestier. Why huh? Because they themselves have no confidence in the name. As simple as that.

Pt 1 is really the factor that i can't bring myself to accept, not at 850+psf. 600-650psf which was the prices in that area 4-5 yrs ago can consider.

mr funny
31-03-09, 18:50
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/suite/story/0,4574,326100,00.html?

Published March 31, 2009

Far East sells 97 units of Mi Casa over past week

By KALPANA RASHIWALA


(SINGAPORE) Here's yet more evidence that there's still demand for attractively priced condos in the mass-market segment. Property tycoon Ng Teng Fong's Far East Organization has sold 97 units at its Mi Casa condo near Choa Chu Kang MRT Station since it began sales last week.

http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/mnt/media/image/launched/2009-03-31/BT_IMAGES_KRMICASA31.jpg
Mi Casa: Located near Choa Chu Kang MRT Station, the 457-unit 99-year leasehold condo has an average price of $625 psf. Buyers who wish to opt for an interest absorption scheme will have to pay 3% more

The 99-year leasehold condo has an average price of $625 per square foot. Buyers who wish to opt for an interest absorption scheme will have to pay 3 per cent more.

The 457-unit condo is being developed on a plot along Choa Chu Kang Drive which is diagonally opposite Lot One mall.

In a news release last night, Far East said Mi Casa is the first new private condo project in the Choa Chu Kang town centre in eight years and offers an 'attractive value proposition' to HDB upgraders and private home owners in the area.

Upgraders accounted for 80 per cent of Mi Casa's buyers. A number of buyers also own landed homes in the area and bought units at Mi Casa for investment and for their children, according to Far East. Mi Casa also drew some foreign buyers (such as China nationals and Malaysians).

Far East Organization unit Tian Hock Properties bought the Mi Casa site at a state tender in May last year for $116.01 million or $203 per square foot per plot ratio.

Over at the Balestier Road area, City Developments is understood to have sold another 30 units between Friday and Sunday at The Arte at Thomson freehold condo.

This brings total sales in the project to nearly 90 units. The 336-unit project, which will comprise two 36-storey blocks, is being offered at an average sellling price of about $880-890 psf.

At Somerville Road, boutique developer HLH Group has sold eight of the total 25 units at its D'Almira condo since it began previews three weeks ago.

The average price of the five-storey freehold apartment development is about $750 psf, says ERA divisional director Andrew Soh, who is marketing the project.

HLH is not offering any interest absorption scheme; buyers will have to make normal progress payments on their units when they are billed by the developer, in accordance with the stage of construction.

In the River Valley area, Fortune group sold another five units last week at The Mercury in Shanghai Road. The average price for the freehold project is '$1,200 psf plus', according to Fortune Development general manager Victor Soh.

Interest absorption scheme is available to buyers in exchange for a 3 per cent premium. To date, 64 of the total 67 units in the project have been sold.

kgchong
04-04-09, 22:44
Just came back from the showroom.. not bad and wife loves it... but price too high...:cool: :cool:

vincenthse88
05-04-09, 16:24
Just came back from the showroom.. not bad and wife loves it... but price too high...:cool: :cool:


I also just came back from the showflat. Agree that the price is too high, $8xx - 9xx psf for 3BR. Interesting to see the response.

kgchong
05-04-09, 18:57
I also just came back from the showflat. Agree that the price is too high, $8xx - 9xx psf for 3BR. Interesting to see the response.

interestingly the agent said the FE plot will launch at 1100 psf... so will see what happen...

he give me detail of the land bought by CDL at 400psf... then construction cost and all other is 400psf... what do you think?

CDL has another 3 plots of land that they en bloc and will start construction not far away... so will be interesting to see what happen... funny thing is one of the plot right in the middle asking too high.. so CDL didn't buy it... so you will see a dwarf in the middle of the giant...

blueb
05-04-09, 23:41
he give me detail of the land bought by CDL at 400psf... then construction cost and all other is 400psf... what do you think?

I think construction cost $400psf is too high. IMO around $220-250 should be more reasonable? Anyone can shed light on this?

Thanks

vincenthse88
12-04-09, 00:05
Anyone know if the prices during official launch is higher or lower than the preview and by how much?

AK47
12-04-09, 01:42
I think 300-400psf construction cost is more likely. So profit margin of 100-200psf is decent for non prime projects.


I think construction cost $400psf is too high. IMO around $220-250 should be more reasonable? Anyone can shed light on this?

Thanks

Geylang OKT
12-04-09, 08:05
Guys, what do you expect? These are enbloc projects. They paid high so they must sell high. :scared-3:

Only the owners of the previous projects enbloc are laughing all the way to the bank :D

vincenthse88
12-04-09, 13:41
interestingly the agent said the FE plot will launch at 1100 psf... so will see what happen...

he give me detail of the land bought by CDL at 400psf... then construction cost and all other is 400psf... what do you think?

CDL has another 3 plots of land that they en bloc and will start construction not far away... so will be interesting to see what happen... funny thing is one of the plot right in the middle asking too high.. so CDL didn't buy it... so you will see a dwarf in the middle of the giant...

Is the plot in the middle the red and white building?

franzmark
12-04-09, 14:52
Aiya how come our fathers never buy more land in singapore last time...:banghead:



Guys, what do you expect? These are enbloc projects. They paid high so they must sell high. :scared-3:

Only the owners of the previous projects enbloc are laughing all the way to the bank :D

BV
12-04-09, 15:38
Is the plot in the middle the red and white building?

Yes, that's the only remaining plot in that particular strip that does not belong to CDL currently. The red and white building's name is Tan Tong Meng Building, and is comprised of very big units. A relative of mine owns a unit there of around 3200+ sq ft. She picked it up at an auction more than 10 years ago at $500+k.

In 2007, there were talks with CDL to sell the building enbloc, and each unit would get around $4M+. However, seems that a large number of units there are owned by a members of an extended family (presumably decendants of Tan Tong Meng). Guess some of the owners there were holding out for a higher sum, and missed the opportunity for a huge windfall.

Sadly, CDL would not even come close to that price now of course, and has even put up the other developments that it bought there for rent, e.g. thomson mansion, corcorde, etc. A missed opportunity indeed...:)

mezz72sg
14-04-09, 22:02
Anyone know if the prices during official launch is higher or lower than the preview and by how much?

i'm curious too....:cheers6:

ahlahdin
14-04-09, 22:22
Yes, that's the only remaining plot in that particular strip that does not belong to CDL currently. The red and white building's name is Tan Tong Meng Building, and is comprised of very big units. A relative of mine owns a unit there of around 3200+ sq ft. She picked it up at an auction more than 10 years ago at $500+k.

In 2007, there were talks with CDL to sell the building enbloc, and each unit would get around $4M+. However, seems that a large number of units there are owned by a members of an extended family (presumably decendants of Tan Tong Meng). Guess some of the owners there were holding out for a higher sum, and missed the opportunity for a huge windfall.

Sadly, CDL would not even come close to that price now of course, and has even put up the other developments that it bought there for rent, e.g. thomson mansion, corcorde, etc. A missed opportunity indeed...:)

Just hazarding a guess, if that extended family are descendents of Tan Tong Meng, they would likely also be loaded with some cash or other valuable inheritance as well, and not in urgent need of money. I might go as far as to say they are probably comfortably-heeled individuals who have investment properties elsewhere, and placing a high value on the TTM building was probably their way of showing their familial sentiment.

It is totally none of my business, but I bet they are not crying as hard as the Horizon Tower owners.

Property_Owner
15-04-09, 10:50
I think construction cost $400psf is too high. IMO around $220-250 should be more reasonable? Anyone can shed light on this?

Thanks

No more 400psf. Maybe for high end like ardmore 3. For these mess market condos. 200 to 250psf. Remember one thing. Oil is 52 dollars now. Don't let the agent use inflation or construction cost again.

mr funny
17-04-09, 13:08
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/companies/story/0,4574,328764,00.html?

Published April 17, 2009

CityDev sells 150 units of The Arte for $190m


THE buzz continues at property launches on the island. City Developments said yesterday that it achieved about $190 million of sales from selling about 150 units at The Arte at Thomson since March 21.

The freehold project is priced at $880 psf on average. No premium is being being charged for an interest absorption scheme (IAS) that CDL has extended to buyers. The scheme means buyers pay just the initial 20 per cent to CDL and defer paying the bulk of their purchase price until The Arte is completed. However, buyers have to take up a housing loan at the point of purchase.

CDL has released 180 of the total 336 units in the project, which comprises two 36-storey high towers.

The majority of The Arte's buyers have private home addresses. Most of the units are going for under $2 million.

Over at Holland Road, Bukit Sembawang is releasing more units at its freehold Verdure from today. It has sold 14 of the 34 apartments in the five-storey project released last weekend. Verdure comprises 69 apartments, with an average price of about $1,350 psf, and six strata semi-detached homes, which cost about $4.8 million on average.

Bukit Sembawang had previously offered an IAS without charging any premium, but from today, buyers will have to pay 2 per cent more to benefit from the IAS.

Over at Tembeling Road in the Katong area, Alpha Land International is offering a small development with a total of 12 apartments. Prices in the five-storey freehold project, which is expected to be completed towards the end of this year or early next year, range from $663,840 (for an 818 sq ft two-bedroom unit) to $1.64 million (for a 2,379 sq ft four-bedder penthouse).

Alpha Land is offering an early bird discount in the form of renovation packages ranging from $10,000 to $25,000, depending on the size of the units. Tembeling Court is being marketed by Texan Associates.

Sim Lian Group will also launch its 360-unit HDB project Parc Lumiere tomorrow. Offered under HDB's design, build and sell scheme, units in the Simei development have an average selling price of $425 psf. Parc Lumiere has four and five-room flats, with four-room flats selling for $378,000-$425,000 and five-room flats going for $462,000-$575,000.

mr funny
17-04-09, 13:52
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporebusinessnews/view/422816/1/.html

Sales at City Development's "The Arte" surpassed 80%

By Valarie Tan, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 16 April 2009 2028 hrs


SINGAPORE: City Developments (CDL) said sales at "The Arte" condominium project have surpassed the 80 per cent mark.

The developer said 150 units were snapped up in a Phase 1 launch recently with S$190 million of deals recorded.

Most of those sold went for under S$2 million.

The 336-unit freehold project at Thomson Road has been priced at an average of S$880 per square foot, with units ranging from 1,055 sq ft for a two-bedroom apartment to 4,000 sq ft for a penthouse.

CDL has also offered buyers an interest absorption scheme which allows them to defer the bulk of their purchase till completion.

New private home sales surpassed the 1,000 mark in March, the second month in a row. - CNA/vm

mr funny
21-04-09, 13:37
http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/sub/suite/story/0,4574,329386,00.html?

Published April 21, 2009

20 units of The Arte sold over weekend

This takes total sales since the official launch to 170 units

By ZHANG YI TING


CITY Developments Ltd (CDL) sold 20 units at The Arte at Thomson over the weekend. This takes total sales since the property's official launch to 170 units, with last weekend's sales fetching a total of $30 million.

'The sales volume indicates that buyers have greater confidence in the property market and in the future of their investment. This reinforces CDL's view that the current market is now attracting savvy but cautious investors,' said Chia Ngiang Hong, Group general manager of CDL.

Buyers' interest was also evidenced by the strong turnover of over 1,000 visitors at The Arte's showroom over the weekend.

Among other factors, these prospective buyers were drawn by the property's location and proximity to a MRT station, according to a CDL release.

The Arte is located within the Thomson area with convenient connections to the City and the expressways. It is also a short walk from Toa Payoh MRT station.

Priced at $880 psf on average, the freehold project comprises two 36-storey towers and will be completed in 2012. Most of the 336 units available are going for under $2 million.

Buyers can opt for CDL's interest absorption scheme (IAS), which allows them to defer the bulk of their purchase until The Arte's completion on the condition that they take up a housing loan at the point of sale.

A majority of buyers of The Arte have private home addresses and many say they want to invest in another property or to move into a new and upscale residence.

Singaporeans' renewed interest in private property saw the sales of 2,660 private homes in the first three months of 2009, which is about 62 per cent of total new home sales in 2008, according to the CDL release.

mr funny
21-04-09, 13:44
http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stories/singaporebusinessnews/view/423684/1/.html

Almost all units launched for sale at The Arte at Thomson sold

By Ng Baoying, Channel NewsAsia | Posted: 20 April 2009 2234 hrs


SINGAPORE: Almost all of the 180 units for sale at The Arte at Thomson have been sold since the project's official launch earlier this month.

A total of 170 units has already changed hands, with 20 sold over the weekend for some S$30 million.

More than 1,000 visitors made their way to the 336-unit, freehold development's showroom last weekend.

Developer City Developments sees this as evidence that buyers have greater confidence in the property market now.

Private home sales in Singapore in the first three months of 2009 hit 2,660 units. That was about 62 per cent of total new home sales in 2008. - CNA/vm

mr funny
21-04-09, 13:47
http://www.straitstimes.com/Money/Story/STIStory_366206.html

April 21, 2009 Tuesday

New showflats pull in crowds

Condo-style flats popular; private homes see encouraging sales

By Joyce Teo, Property Correspondent

http://www.straitstimes.com/STI/STIMEDIA/image/20090421/TheArte-CDL.jpg
Despite the recession, many were checking out new housing projects over the weekend. The Arte attracted about 1,000 people and another 20 units were sold over the weekend for $30 million, said its developer. -- PHOTO: CITY DEVELOPMENTS

THOUSANDS of people flocked to check out some of the new housing developments on sale over the weekend, scenes more reminiscent of a boom, not a recession.

As one industry watcher told The Straits Times: 'The mass market is still moving. If you price it correctly and reasonably, people will still buy.'

The hottest ticket in town was clearly the Parc Lumiere project, which drew an astonishing 6,500 visitors over the weekend.

Buyers had begun queueing last Friday before its viewing period started on Saturday, with 829 people eventually in the line for flats in the estate, which is being developed under the Design, Build and Sell Scheme (DBSS).

There was no balloting for the project: Just turn up and book.

Developer Sim Lian Group said it has already sold 306 units out of a total of 360. All the four-room flats, priced between $378,000 and $425,000, have been sold.

Only the low-floor five-room flats are left. The five-roomers are priced from $462,000 to $575,000.

'After going through Premiere @ Tampines, we thought we would try another way of selling. When you do it by ballot, a lot of people just try for fun. A lot who were keen didn't get the chance to book,' said Sim Lian executive director Diana Kuik.

But some potential buyers felt the walk-in selection sale method, essentially a first-come, first-served sale, was inconvenient. One said the sale came at too short a notice for him to take leave to queue. A parent said her son had been waiting for the project but was travelling in Europe.

Sim Lian said it has had feedback from happy buyers, including a pair of siblings happy to get a unit next to each other.

The second DBSS project, The Peak @ Toa Payoh, also had a busy weekend with 1,711 applications lodged as of 6pm yesterday for the 1,203 units.

This project by developer Hoi Hup Sunway is being sold by ballot, with applications open until next Tuesday.

About 22,500 people had visited the showflat from last Wednesday until it closed yesterday, said Ms Kellie Liew, executive director of projects at HSR Property Group, the marketing agent for The Peak. More than half of the applicants are interested in the five-room flats, with about 30 per cent looking at the four-roomers, she said.

In the private home market, the freehold The Arte in Jalan Datoh attracted about 1,000 people over the weekend, said developer City Developments (CDL).

The average price at the 336-unit project - which boasts relatively large flats - is $880 psf, with most units going for under $2 million each.

CDL said it sold another 20 units over the weekend for $30 million, bringing total sales to 170.

'The sales volume indicates that buyers have greater confidence in the property market and in the future of their investment,' said CDL group general manager Chia Ngiang Hong.

'This reinforces CDL's view that the current market is now attracting savvy but cautious investors.'

A large number of buyers have private home addresses, he said, with many saying they want to invest in another property or to move into a 'new and upscale residence'. CDL said it has extended the interest absorption scheme to these buyers.

Two other large projects that were launched last month also saw encouraging sales.

A further 22 apartments were sold at the 457-unit Mi Casa condominium in Choa Chu Kang in the past week, bringing total sales to 202 units. Prices hovered around $635 psf.

More than half of the 646 units at Double Bay Residences in Simei have been sold. This was the best-selling project last month, with 264 units being bought.

About 60 per cent of the 68-unit Verdure in Holland Roadhas also been sold since its preview more than a week ago.

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tiks
22-04-09, 14:41
1. People are buying: 170 buyers can't be that dumb and impulsive esp if the prices are on average $1 mil and up
2. Its a real condo: it is the only condo in the area with full condo facilities. New devpts like Domus and i-Residences are slivers in the sky
3. Value for money: during the soft launch the larger units were going for under 800psf. Just think how much people were paying for Pinnacle or Marque a short while ago
4. It has minimal planter boxers and other wasted floor area
5. Govt plans for gentrify Balestier

The only thing I don't buy is proximity to Toa Payoh MRT ...

wreckwrx
26-04-09, 16:04
Just saw in the papers yesterday that they release more "Choice Units" for sale..... Full page advertisement some more.....

jonleelk
03-05-09, 20:54
Went to the showroom today. Selective floors available for sale, but is evenly spread from low to the highest.

3 bedders city view (SE direction) all sold out. Thomson view (NW direction, agents called it McRitchie view, but more like PIE view) 1399 sqft 10th floor is $925psf. 28th floor 1027 psf.

Wife like the units and location...but "direction" not suitable for us.

Regulators
03-05-09, 21:46
cheap cheap go and buy dont wait already we need people like u to boost mkt
Went to the showroom today. Selective floors available for sale, but is evenly spread from low to the highest.

3 bedders city view (SE direction) all sold out. Thomson view (NW direction, agents called it McRitchie view, but more like PIE view) 1399 sqft 10th floor is $925psf. 28th floor 1027 psf.

Wife like the units and location...but "direction" not suitable for us.

wreckwrx
03-05-09, 23:46
Went to the showroom today. Selective floors available for sale, but is evenly spread from low to the highest.

3 bedders city view (SE direction) all sold out. Thomson view (NW direction, agents called it McRitchie view, but more like PIE view) 1399 sqft 10th floor is $925psf. 28th floor 1027 psf.

Wife like the units and location...but "direction" not suitable for us.

The white marble bathroom looks pretty good ya?

But for me, that's about all that is good about The Arte...

If you notice in the showflat, they purposely not put up where the actual sliding door to the planter area and if you ask the agent about it, they will give you some sheepish expression and mark out for you where the sliding door is going to be..... then l realise that they are charging for a huge planter area where the bank valuers may not take into consideration in their valuation. Agent also keep quiet and dare not reply..... :rolleyes:

Regulators
03-05-09, 23:56
no need to calculate here n there got money to spend just buy.
The white marble bathroom looks pretty good ya?

But for me, that's about all that is good about The Arte...

If you notice in the showflat, they purposely not put up where the actual sliding door to the planter area and if you ask the agent about it, they will give you some sheepish expression and mark out for you where the sliding door is going to be..... then l realise that they are charging for a huge planter area where the bank valuers may not take into consideration in their valuation. Agent also keep quiet and dare not reply..... :rolleyes:

jitkiat
04-05-09, 20:42
The white marble bathroom looks pretty good ya?

But for me, that's about all that is good about The Arte...

If you notice in the showflat, they purposely not put up where the actual sliding door to the planter area and if you ask the agent about it, they will give you some sheepish expression and mark out for you where the sliding door is going to be..... then l realise that they are charging for a huge planter area where the bank valuers may not take into consideration in their valuation. Agent also keep quiet and dare not reply..... :rolleyes:

Standard lah, even DBSS Simei and The Peak cheats by having huge balcony and planter. the joke is for The Peak @ Toa Payoh, the showroom sofa actually over-extended into the balcony.

Kenshinto80
28-06-09, 16:10
No offense to those who thinks large balcony a ruse to cheat buyers, but to many others, they do not mind paying for such "unlivable" space. It offers a different lifestyle as compared to people used to HDB living.

Anyway, personally, do not really like the location. The claim that it is near HDB hub and MRT must be a bad joke. Also do not like the proximity to the PIE. Bad Fengshui. :p

Geylang OKT
28-06-09, 20:42
Planter space can use to put soil to grow plants. Otherwise the place will be littered with cigarette butts thrown from the upper floors. Trust me, I know. Can never catch the culprit(s). Even the guardhouse CCTV also cannot capture these anti-social acts :tongue3: :middle-finger: :banghead:

bargain hunter
28-06-09, 21:03
actually i think balcony is fine, planters and bay windows are the con job.


No offense to those who thinks large balcony a ruse to cheat buyers, but to many others, they do not mind paying for such "unlivable" space. It offers a different lifestyle as compared to people used to HDB living.

Anyway, personally, do not really like the location. The claim that it is near HDB hub and MRT must be a bad joke. Also do not like the proximity to the PIE. Bad Fengshui. :p

dfstan
20-08-09, 14:05
so this project is fully taken? well done!

sleek
20-08-09, 14:17
As of end-Jul 2009, still got 6 units unsold. You interested? :p

Mongoose
25-08-09, 21:51
i believe the available units are all PH... 3/4 BR all sold.

official TOP is Dec 2012, but from construction progress, seems like it will be ready by mid 2010 or end 2010 latest? any views?

blackswan
07-09-09, 16:14
anyone went to check out the progress.
Must say the construction progress is super fast man!!!!
Most likely TOP earlier than Sky11.

dfstan
07-09-09, 16:19
FYI, those unsold units prices have been jacked up to $1.1 to $1.2K psf

Mongoose
07-09-09, 18:23
superstructure looks like almost nearing completion - possibly by end of this year will be done. interior architectural trades should take no longer than 6 - 9 mths.... when is sky11 likely TOP?

if the remaining units are the sky suites, they are all quite large (>2600 - 4000sq ft), will CDL price them at $1.1k - $1.2kpsf? the quantum will be quite huge...

noblebaby
12-09-09, 21:47
The Arte during sunset...

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8356/img0243zz.jpg

bargain hunter
12-09-09, 22:02
from the picture, looks so near the PIE.



The Arte during sunset...

http://img38.imageshack.us/img38/8356/img0243zz.jpg

andy
13-09-09, 14:26
from the picture, looks so near the PIE.

I hope I don't offend too many people.

Honestly is this oversize concrete blob with glass mirrors to be installed in front really nice to look at?

Mongoose
13-09-09, 22:22
I hope I don't offend too many people.

Honestly is this oversize concrete blob with glass mirrors to be installed in front really nice to look at?

glass mirrors? as facade? got meh?

xebay11
13-09-09, 22:49
I hope I don't offend too many people.

Honestly is this oversize concrete blob with glass mirrors to be installed in front really nice to look at?

Nope you don't offend us, just the Arte owners only. :D

andy
13-09-09, 23:06
Nope you don't offend us, just the Arte owners only. :D

How come it looked so different from the marketing brochures?

http://images.google.com.sg/imgres?imgurl=http://www.propertylaunch.sg/images/main.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.propertylaunch.sg/TheArte.html&usg=__oTWbn8jPflJw0sqtW4gbot4ZttU=&h=784&w=600&sz=203&hl=en&start=10&tbnid=F3NyVoRlRb6l_M:&tbnh=143&tbnw=109&prev=/images%3Fq%3Darte%2Bcondo%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den

hoching
14-09-09, 01:04
The Arte design concept encourages outdoor living in the sky. Check out the ultra large balcony of the 4 bedroom and you know why. Every room has a balcony and they are all connected together. Hopefully the noise from PIE is not too loud to get a good sleep in the open.

Reporter
05-10-09, 11:26
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占私宅成交量22% 外国人又涌入购房地产
吴慧敏
联合早报
29-9-2009

全球股市大反弹不但吸引了本地人蜂拥抢购私人房产,外国人也在过去几个月来大举涌入,到新加坡“扫货”。

根据第一太平戴维斯(Savills)整理的数字,外国人(包括新加坡永久居民)在去年8月,买下大约300个私宅单位,占所有私宅成交量的22%。

当美国投资银行雷曼兄弟破产、引发全球金融大海啸时,外国人骤然消失。去年11月12月期间,外国人所购买的私宅单位剧跌至70、80个,所占的买家比率也下跌至16%。

今年3月全球股市大回弹后,外国买家又迅速回流。到了6月份,外国人在一个月内买下的私宅单位已回升至876个,比去年11月最低潮时的需求量暴增十倍。所占的买家比率,也回升至全球金融大海啸之前的22%、23%水平。

戴德梁行(DTZ)研究部主管蔡楚芬说:“外国买家确实回来了。不单单是中国人,马来西亚人和印尼人这两个本地楼市的传统上最大买家,也都在过去几个月显著增加。”

她透露,马来西亚和印尼人仍然是新加坡楼市最大的买家。本地每卖出100间私人房子,约22间由外国人或永久居民买下。其中,六间由马来西亚人买下、五间由印尼人买下、三间由印度人买下、三间由中国人买下。

仲量联行私宅部主管黄洁玲说:“新加坡本来就是马来西亚人和印尼人喜欢置业的地点,第一是新元的币值强劲,第二是政治和社会稳定。他们也喜欢将子女送到新加坡求学、在新加坡求医,在新加坡买房子还可以防万一,一旦国内发生了什么事情,总算有个安身之所。”

一名房地产人士也指出,去年发生金融大海啸后,许多外国人,包括马来西亚人和印尼人,已经将钱转到新加坡来,以对冲其国家货币的贬值。当楼市在三四月份开始“动”起来,更多的外汇更是涌入本地楼市中。

一名房地产观察家认为,由于中国和香港的楼价升得比新加坡更快、更高,过去两三个月来,很可能有一些投资者开始将钱从中国和香港股市和楼市套出来,转到新加坡。

ERA产业经纪王德金并没有听到这种情况,不过他表示,近年来进场的一些中国买家已经跟过去有很大的不同。

“过去,在新加坡买楼的中国人,一般都是买一些单位价比较低廉的房子,预算在50万元至80万元之间。”

有一些中国大客户

但是,现在他手头上的十多个大客户,[B]七八个是中国人。这些中国买家最近分别授权他500万元至1000万元的预算,代他们在新加坡买房子。

“这一类中国买家通常对新加坡非常熟悉,有的孩子在新加坡念书或工作,也有的打算在新加坡做生意。他们来到新加坡,只住六星级酒店,买的都是劳力士名表和名牌手袋。看的房子,通常在市区,售价在一两百万元,甚至两三百万元左右。”

他透露,以500万元至1000万元的预算来说,他通常会帮这些中国买家购买三五个单位,其中一两个短持,只要有钱赚就代他们放手,其他的则留作长线投资。

http://property.zaobao.com/images6/private090929.jpg
市场消息说,远东机构最近推出的中高档公寓Silversea就吸引了不少中国买家进场。

戴德梁行的数字也显示了中国买家的购买能力相当两极化。资料显示,50万元至100万元的房子,中国买家的比率相当高。其次,就是售价在500万元以上的房子。

市场消息说,远东机构最近推出的中高档公寓Silversea就吸引了不少中国买家进场。这个位于马林百列录的99年地契公寓,共有383个单位,截至8月底卖出了70个,每平方英尺中位价约1386元。

远东机构房地产销售营运总裁谢文华证实,这个项目的中国买家比率确实较高,达到17%。他相信,一览无余的无敌海景应该是吸引他们进场的一大因素,而且交通也非常方便,距离滨海湾只有5分钟车程。

不过,位于中部的The Arte却吸引了较多的印尼买家进场。城市发展的这个公寓共有336个单位,每平方英尺推出价格约880元,它自3月推出以来已卖出330个,城市发展发言人说,其中15%由印尼人买下。

戴德梁行的数字也可以看到,所有外国买家中,印尼人的购买力还是最强的。今年第二季,售价在150万元以上的房子,有大约14%是外国人购买的。当中,印尼人就占了三分之一。售价在500万元以上的房子,印尼人也是最大的外国买家。

至于马来西亚人所买的房子,价格一般在50万元以下,所占的比率超过一半。至于售价在50万元至100万元的房子,马来西亚人也是最大的外国买家。

wind
07-10-09, 00:00
The noise from PIE will be a nightmare. The Chuan further away from CTE already noisy .. this one will be worst.

tiks
07-10-09, 12:09
If you drive along any major expressway in Singapore, you will notice the number of condos situated all along them.

Anyway, I recall, when I went for the preview, the units facing away from the PIE were snapped up really fast... whole stacks at a time.

Reporter
07-10-09, 12:27
If you drive along any major expressway in Singapore, you will notice the number of condos situated all along them.

Anyway, I recall, when I went for the preview, the units facing away from the PIE were snapped up really fast... whole stacks at a time.
Snapped up by Indonesians (印尼买家)?

Mongoose
10-10-09, 17:21
Snapped up by Indonesians (印尼买家)?

why Arte a lot of Indon buyers?

Mongoose
10-10-09, 17:23
If you drive along any major expressway in Singapore, you will notice the number of condos situated all along them.

Anyway, I recall, when I went for the preview, the units facing away from the PIE were snapped up really fast... whole stacks at a time.

all the arte units taken liao, so front or back also snapped up.
i think future albany site may be even closer to PIE...

Reporter
16-11-09, 09:21
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Foreign property buyers go outside prime areas
Districts 9, 10 and 15 still rule, but Novena, Jurong, Balestier pick up
Joyce Teo
The Straits Times
Monday, 16 November 2009

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Savills said district 12 - which includes the Balestier (pictured), Serangoon and Toa Payoh areas - has emerged as one of the top new choices among foreigners this year. -- Photo: ST

Foreign property investors are venturing out of traditional prime areas to snap up homes in other parts of the island.

A new study has found overseas buyers have become keen on district 12, which includes the Balestier area and which is associated with karaoke bars and lighting shops.

A Savills Singapore study found that districts 9, 10 and 15 have remained the top spots for foreign buyers over the past three years.

District 9 includes the Orchard and River Valley areas; 15 covers Katong, Joo Chiat and Amber Road, and 10 includes the posh Ardmore area, and the Bukit Timah, Holland Road and Tanglin neighbourhoods.

Districts 11 and 22 have become more popular thanks to the higher number of launches there, Savills said.

In the past three years, there have been at least 30 major launches in district 11 – Novena and Thomson – alone, including Viva, Park Infinia at Wee Nam, and Miro at Lincoln Road.

District 22 – it is centred on Jurong – has hosted launches of The Centris, The Caspian and The Lakeshore.

Savills said district 12, which includes the Balestier, Serangoon and Toa Payoh areas, has emerged as one of the top new choices among foreigners this year.

Its new projects include The Arte, Trevista, Vista Residences, Nova 48, Nova 88 and Domus.

‘These city-fringe projects are near to the city and yet relatively more affordable compared to core central projects,’ said Savills’ senior manager of research and consultancy, Ms Christine Sun.

Consultants say that in district 12, average prices have been lower, at about $900 psf compared with the over $1,000 psf that Novena, only a few hundred metres away, can fetch. However, the gap is closing, partly due to district 12’s increased popularity as well as the small units offered which have a higher per unit asking price.

A closer look at the sales data from the three most popular districts of 9, 15 and 10 shows that most of the foreign buyers came from Malaysia, Indonesia, mainland China and India.

In fact, they accounted for 73.9% of total foreign private property purchases in the first nine months, compared with 59.1% for the whole of 2007 when the market was booming.

A lot of foreigners came to Singapore to buy back then.

Many of the high net-worth buyers from Europe, Russia and elsewhere have not quite returned, property experts said.

But Malaysian buyer numbers have risen by 10% this year compared with 2007, although Indonesian investor numbers have fallen by 4%.

Mainland Chinese buyers are also up 7.4%, while Indian buyers rose 1.1%.

A recent Savills study showed that foreigners, especially those from China, were returning to the market.

Foreigners formed about 22.7% of private home sales in the third quarter – above the 19.7% average since the start of 2000.

‘Malaysians and Indonesians prefer prime districts 9 and 10, which tend to be higher-priced projects,’ said Ms Sun.

She added that mainland Chinese and Indian buyers bought more homes in the city fringe and outside of central regions, such as districts 15, 16, 18 and 22.

The properties in these regions tend to be relatively less pricey and more mass market.

Western buyers, including those from Australia, Britain and the United States, tend to congregate in certain districts, such as districts 9, 10 and 15.

The Japanese prefer district 9, while the Koreans are keen on districts 9 and 10, as well as 16, which includes Bedok and Upper East Coast.
District 9 has the highest concentration of foreign buyers, at 31%.

The other top districts popular with foreigners had a proportion of between 19 and 25%.

noblebaby
06-02-10, 16:45
Look like office building... :o

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/253/60197870.jpg

teddybear
06-02-10, 17:29
So plain? Some of the DBSS looks better than this! :doh:


Look like office building... :o

http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/253/60197870.jpg

august
06-02-10, 20:06
Look like office building... :o



matches the buildings in the background hehe

2824
07-02-10, 16:27
looks a bit like OCBC Building @ Chulia street :)

azeoprop
09-02-10, 09:59
looks a bit like OCBC Building @ Chulia street :)

Haa haa yes, very true. :rolleyes:

azeoprop
28-04-10, 15:05
Photos taken 28 April 2010.
Now even mass market condos in ulu places selling at the same price as the launch price of the Arte last year....:scared-3:

maisonjai
28-04-10, 15:28
Photos taken 28 April 2010.
Now even mass market condos in ulu places selling at the same price as the launch price of the Arte last year....:scared-3:

not to mention what Arte is giving for their flooring, what a big difference 1 year can make.

Azz
28-04-10, 16:32
Does anyone know when is TOP. Developer will send a letter?

stalingrad
28-04-10, 17:35
not to mention what Arte is giving for their flooring, what a big difference 1 year can make.
so it went up from 900psf to about 1000psf. is that really a big difference?

besides, 197 units are for sale out of how many sold at the launch? but very few are buying.

Reporter
28-04-10, 18:16
The Arte has a nëw hïgh of $1,200 psf!


The Arte
Address ............................. psf ............... Area ........... Price ............ Contract Date
23 Jalan Raja Udang #18-12 .... $1,200 psf .... 1,055 sqft .... $1,266,000 .... 5 Feb 10

teddybear
28-04-10, 18:47
The price of The Arte at $1200 psf for being in CCR (actually is CCR/RCR boundary) and for giving marble flooring and mid-range quality sanitary ware etc is pathetic compared to mass-market condo like The Vision and Centro in OCR and giving homogeneous tiles and unknown brand (obviously cheap China-made) sanitary wares!


The Arte has a nëw hïgh of $1,200 psf!


The Arte
Address ............................. psf ............... Area ........... Price ............ Contract Date
23 Jalan Raja Udang #18-12 .... $1,200 psf .... 1,055 sqft .... $1,266,000 .... 5 Feb 10

maisonjai
29-04-10, 11:42
so it went up from 900psf to about 1000psf. is that really a big difference?

i was referring to azeoprop statement 'Now even mass market condos in ulu places selling at the same price as the launch price of the Arte last year'

was quoted 880psf for 2bed last year when i was there, so i guess azeoprop is referring to the ulu proj from same developer now asking similiar pricing. ;)

azeoprop
01-05-10, 00:02
i was referring to azeoprop statement 'Now even mass market condos in ulu places selling at the same price as the launch price of the Arte last year'

was quoted 880psf for 2bed last year when i was there, so i guess azeoprop is referring to the ulu proj from same developer now asking similiar pricing. ;)

I was there during the preview, the low floor stack 12 2 bedders were the cheapest and a few of them were below 900k. I didn't buy then because I thought prices could go lower...but I was wrong. :beats-me-man:

Mongoose
01-05-10, 15:52
The price of The Arte at $1200 psf for being in CCR (actually is CCR/RCR boundary) and for giving marble flooring and mid-range quality sanitary ware etc is pathetic compared to mass-market condo like The Vision and Centro in OCR and giving homogeneous tiles and unknown brand (obviously cheap China-made) sanitary wares!

i also dunno how Vision or Centro can fetch 1000+psf.
i went to the Vision showflat, a lot of nice finishing/wallpaper, etc but actually its not included in the unit.

But just compare the finishing at Vista residences by FEO next door to the Arte, who were asking 1250 - 1300psf during launch, you can tell Arte is significantly better.

With Cube 8 sold out at 1250psf - 1300psf and another CDL development coming up at the thomson/balestier junction, we might soon see more units in this area push the 1300psf range.

maisonjai
02-05-10, 13:33
I was there during the preview, the low floor stack 12 2 bedders were the cheapest and a few of them were below 900k. I didn't buy then because I thought prices could go lower...but I was wrong. :beats-me-man:

i was quoted at same stack, #12 880psf. i liked it but was afraid of the traffic that i have to face & i was more keen on TBahru area at that point in time.

So you ended up at picking 1 at mezzo ? :)

devilplate
02-05-10, 19:27
Location is quite central but to some got the balestier stgma.

Agree that 900psf during launch price is a steal now (but tat was during an economic downturn). There are projects like Pavilion 11/Montebleu that was launched during the April 2007(during boom times) with prices from 8XX to 1kpsf and I personally feel that the location is better than Arte. Naturally, if u have been monitoring the market since 2005, u will find Arte launch prices of 900psf wasn't very attractive at tat point of time. There r many better deals out there at tat time.

azeoprop
02-05-10, 22:55
i was quoted at same stack, #12 880psf. i liked it but was afraid of the traffic that i have to face & i was more keen on TBahru area at that point in time.

So you ended up at picking 1 at mezzo ? :)

Yah loh, by end of May last year prices were increasing already, and not much choices left for new launches in balestier, so I quickly just grab a unit at the Mezzo. At least, considering the enbloc price that soilbuild bought Ruby plaza, the selling price for the Mezzo was quite reasonable.

maisonjai
02-05-10, 23:38
Yah loh, by end of May last year prices were increasing already, and not much choices left for new launches in balestier, so I quickly just grab a unit at the Mezzo. At least, considering the enbloc price that soilbuild bought Ruby plaza, the selling price for the Mezzo was quite reasonable.

good that u pick up the guts to buy during that period despite negative sentiments floating around. U must be feeling shong wai wai 爽喎喎 now that u look back. :cheers1:

lancelot
03-05-10, 20:53
The Arte has a classy feel and now looks to be a bargain at its launch. Its biggest shortcoming is the inconvenient road alignments leading to and from the condo. Jln Datoh can be quite congested and if you happen to queue behind some indecisive drivers while waiting to turn into Balestier Road, you may feel like :banghead:

suricat
06-05-10, 15:58
Have you seen it?
High Rise prison? Office Tower? HDB?
Gloomy monolithic grey concrete facades with flimsy small scale greenery at very low level. A tiny swimming pool for 336 apartments. No sun on pool in morning but full sun all afternoon.
Tennis court, barbecue area, fitness area and tiny playground all with no shade at any time of the day. These "recreation" areas are located right next to the PIE and very noisy day and night. On top of this there will be two major construction sites located on both sides of the buildings- Vista Residences (underway) and Cube 8 (existing two buildings yet to be demolished).
The 100% concrete construction means the internal and site acoustics are harsh.
Sorry I dont get it.

cheerful
06-05-10, 16:31
Have you seen it?
High Rise prison? Office Tower? HDB?
Gloomy monolithic grey concrete facades with flimsy small scale greenery at very low level. A tiny swimming pool for 336 apartments. No sun on pool in morning but full sun all afternoon.
Tennis court, barbecue area, fitness area and tiny playground all with no shade at any time of the day. These "recreation" areas are located right next to the PIE and very noisy day and night. On top of this there will be two major construction sites located on both sides of the buildings- Vista Residences (underway) and Cube 8 (existing two buildings yet to be demolished).
The 100% concrete construction means the internal and site acoustics are harsh.
Sorry I dont get it.

So you have seen the latest? Wah ... no shade at all how can?

Izit 100% concrete? When is this gg to TOP anyway? The last time drove by was like months ago :ashamed1:

devilplate
06-05-10, 16:35
whether isit classy or resembles HDB....first owners r smiling at their paper gains..

If u can buy it at less den 900psf now...it will be very classy :D :D

august
06-05-10, 19:33
whether isit classy or resembles HDB....first owners r smiling at their paper gains..

If u can buy it at less den 900psf now...it will be very classy :D :D

hv to differentiate between investors and owners

bcos will look at things differently

lancelot
06-05-10, 20:27
I will reserve judgement on the facade, landscaping and such till after it TOP. Even $4,000 > psf Nassim Jade looks ugly during construction. But considering the internal finishing that was promised, its freehold status plus low launch price, Arte is a steal. And that's why it quickly sold out during its launch last year when economy was very uncertain with Citi and AIG threatening to crash and burn.

Komo
06-05-10, 20:45
The Arte has a nëw hïgh of $1,200 psf!


The Arte
Address ............................. psf ............... Area ........... Price ............ Contract Date
23 Jalan Raja Udang #18-12 .... $1,200 psf .... 1,055 sqft .... $1,266,000 .... 5 Feb 10

nice street name!

Property_Owner
06-05-10, 20:51
I will reserve judgement on the facade, landscaping and such till after it TOP. Even $4,000 > psf Nassim Jade looks ugly during construction. But considering the internal finishing that was promised, its freehold status plus low launch price, Arte is a steal. And that's why it quickly sold out during its launch last year when economy was very uncertain with Citi and AIG threatening to crash and burn.

I believe developer make less then 100psf per unit.

azeoprop
06-05-10, 22:11
The Arte has a nëw hïgh of $1,200 psf!


The Arte
Address ............................. psf ............... Area ........... Price ............ Contract Date
23 Jalan Raja Udang #18-12 .... $1,200 psf .... 1,055 sqft .... $1,266,000 .... 5 Feb 10

23 Jalan Raja Udang #18-12
Freehold
$940
1055
$991k
21 Apr 09


940 psf to 1200psf! :eek:

devilplate
06-05-10, 22:15
23 Jalan Raja Udang #18-12
Freehold
$940
1055
$991k
21 Apr 09


940 psf to 1200psf! :eek:

He make more den developer? :eek:

amk
06-05-10, 22:37
Have you seen it?
High Rise prison? Office Tower? HDB?
Gloomy monolithic grey concrete facades with flimsy small scale greenery
I share the same sentiment. I pass by this place every day. real ugly office looking bdg, with no "home" feeling. Not for own stay for me. Buy to flip only.

tiks
07-05-10, 15:22
Why be bothered about the external facade of the building! It is the inside that counts! The interior finishings of the Arte has been the best I've seen in all the D12 developments (including Cube8, Vista Res, I-Residences...). I am also impressed by the amount of open space around the development and the pool actually looks to be a decent sized. I think if you bought a inside facing unit at launch - you would have really got a gem of a buy...

suricat
07-05-10, 16:15
The Arte apartments have huge (and given all the reasons in my earlier post) quite useless balconies w/- planter. The "classy" feeling will not be enhanced by these primarily being used as clothes drying areas. Regarding the finishes - have you seen an actual apartment? I have.
People, please remember that some or all of you will desire tenants to live in this gloomy grey, noisy cement box and therfore all aspects of its envoronment need to be considered. If, however, it is just another thing to be "flipped", there is no need to care.

maisonjai
07-05-10, 16:18
I share the same sentiment. I pass by this place every day. real ugly office looking bdg, with no "home" feeling. Not for own stay for me. Buy to flip only.

deng xiao ping "I don't care if it's a white cat or a black cat. It's a good cat so long as it catches mice." :D ...
applys here i guess.

lancelot
07-05-10, 20:42
The Arte apartments have huge (and given all the reasons in my earlier post) quite useless balconies w/- planter. The "classy" feeling will not be enhanced by these primarily being used as clothes drying areas. Regarding the finishes - have you seen an actual apartment? I have.
People, please remember that some or all of you will desire tenants to live in this gloomy grey, noisy cement box and therfore all aspects of its envoronment need to be considered. If, however, it is just another thing to be "flipped", there is no need to care.

You mean the showroom. The actual apartment isn't ready so it's kinda hard to judge at this stage. Anyway, I'm not vested here. Just curious as to what it is about Arte that draws such strong condemnation from some quarters.

Mongoose
17-05-10, 14:01
The Arte apartments have huge (and given all the reasons in my earlier post) quite useless balconies w/- planter. The "classy" feeling will not be enhanced by these primarily being used as clothes drying areas. Regarding the finishes - have you seen an actual apartment? I have.
People, please remember that some or all of you will desire tenants to live in this gloomy grey, noisy cement box and therfore all aspects of its envoronment need to be considered. If, however, it is just another thing to be "flipped", there is no need to care.

how did u see actual apartment? are u with the main contractor or sub contractor or architect company? what part of the finishing u don't like or think is sub standard?

i agree that the grey colour is not nice, but then again which condo is not a cement/concrete box these days? there will be many concrete boxes in that area soon... in fact all along the pie u see them.

teddybear
17-05-10, 15:49
It is not the colour, but the ugly facade of the building - Some people say look like office tower or HDB. Think looks more ugly than the HDB in Punggol.
+ there is the PIE just beside it (too noisy).
+ The road to Arte (jalan datoh?) always jam like hell during peak hours.


how did u see actual apartment? are u with the main contractor or sub contractor or architect company? what part of the finishing u don't like or think is sub standard?

i agree that the grey colour is not nice, but then again which condo is not a cement/concrete box these days? there will be many concrete boxes in that area soon... in fact all along the pie u see them.

Wild Falcon
17-05-10, 21:22
Not that ugly lah. At least it stands out from the generic all-glass facade. Concrete/brick that can "breathe" is more suitable for our hot and humid climate. And concrete/brick building can withstand the elements better. Those glassbox building will have leakage problems within a few years. Anyway, it's not uglier than the new developments today.

Jazzer
18-05-10, 14:59
It is not the colour, but the ugly facade of the building - Some people say look like office tower or HDB. Think looks more ugly than the HDB in Punggol.
+ there is the PIE just beside it (too noisy).
+ The road to Arte (jalan datoh?) always jam like hell during peak hours.

I don's think it is fair to say the facade of Arte looks similar to HDB flats but it does look a bit like office. I agree too with the rest of your points.

It is quite jam pack at jalan datoh and around Balestier/Thomson junction.

But some people like lah... it's not too far from Novena mah

orange
03-06-10, 17:30
I was driving along Thomson Rd just now, heading towards town, when I suddenly saw this big angular looking black building dominating the skyline. Quite modern-looking, I thought.

So I took a detour and turned left into Balestier Rd, turned left again to go into that small street. Hmmm what condo is it? Finally spotted the name plate on the substation. The Arte!

Not beautiful, but definitely not ugly lor! Last time sold at $800 psf, by CDL, looks like a modern boutique hotel. Aiyah.... should have bought it then! :D

Azz
04-06-10, 11:10
Any news on TOP?

It does seem ready. I wonder how the construction at cube8 and vista will affect the owners of Arte.

teddybear
04-06-10, 11:15
The best plot of land in that corner belonging to CDL, just beside Cube8 (where Cube8 showflat is previously located) is going to be launched soon! :)
Heard pricing $1500+ psf? :D


Any news on TOP?

It does seem ready. I wonder how the construction at cube8 and vista will affect the owners of Arte.

Mongoose
07-06-10, 23:27
The best plot of land in that corner belonging to CDL, just beside Cube8 (where Cube8 showflat is previously located) is going to be launched soon! :)
Heard pricing $1500+ psf? :D

this is the concorde, bright bldg + balestier court sites combined rite?
i guess this will also be a D11 proj, since the entrance is along thomson road and not entrance from balestier?
at 1500psf? wow... where u get your mkt intel? CDL started marketing already?

Mongoose
07-06-10, 23:29
Any news on TOP?

It does seem ready. I wonder how the construction at cube8 and vista will affect the owners of Arte.

i think will TOP in july/aug.
Arte owners will have to put up with construction noise/dust man - behind them got Vista, in front got Cube.
price to pay for being 1st mover.

chaimayfoo
01-07-10, 14:01
The Arte has received T.O.P. already . Heard that the interior finishing is excellent according to inside source. Will see to confirm !!

2824
01-07-10, 14:21
please post some pics leah.

noblebaby
01-07-10, 15:07
yes, TOP obtained. passing by every day... the construction is fast, or time flies? :p


The Arte has received T.O.P. already . Heard that the interior finishing is excellent according to inside source. Will see to confirm !!

azeoprop
01-07-10, 15:08
Got 3 photos here of the 2 bedder. Looks good.... :)
http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/listing/1475012/for-sale-the-arte-thomson

DC33_2008
01-07-10, 15:22
Do not quite like the finishes. Sorry, it is just my opinion. The particular layout in the propertyguru does not look appropriate with the length of the kitchen probably facing the living room and balcony. Wonder how is the noise from the traffic on PIE?

azeoprop
01-07-10, 15:24
Do not quite like the finishes. Sorry, it is just my opinion. The particular layout in the propertyguru does not look appropriate with the length of the kitchen probably facing the living room and balcony. Wonder how is the noise from the traffic on PIE?

Actually the photos shown is that of a 3 bedder. U can compare with the floor plan here:
http://www.cdl.com.sg/thearte/

noblebaby
01-07-10, 15:51
i dont like the marble. :beats-me-man:


Do not quite like the finishes. Sorry, it is just my opinion. The particular layout in the propertyguru does not look appropriate with the length of the kitchen probably facing the living room and balcony. Wonder how is the noise from the traffic on PIE?

DC33_2008
01-07-10, 15:57
The marble is too structured.

devilplate
01-07-10, 16:13
mai hiam not bad liao

it is 100X better den those cheapskate ceramic tiles:D

Property_Owner
01-07-10, 16:29
Do not quite like the finishes. Sorry, it is just my opinion. The particular layout in the propertyguru does not look appropriate with the length of the kitchen probably facing the living room and balcony. Wonder how is the noise from the traffic on PIE?

No vested interest from you?

DC33_2008
01-07-10, 16:40
No vested interest from you?

How is WC2010?

No vested interest. Look forward to the new CDL project at 368. External design is so much better.

devilplate
01-07-10, 16:43
How is WC2010?

No vested interest. Look forward to the new CDL project at 368. External design is so much better.

arte 2bedder vs the new project...mabe similar total quantum....psf 200 diff though

Azz
01-07-10, 17:17
The Arte has received T.O.P. already . Heard that the interior finishing is excellent according to inside source. Will see to confirm !!

Any official confirmation? I'm an (first time) owner but yet to receive any news from the developer.

Any tips and advice from you seasoned propery owners are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Mongoose
01-07-10, 18:33
Any official confirmation? I'm an (first time) owner but yet to receive any news from the developer.

Any tips and advice from you seasoned propery owners are appreciated. Thanks in advance.

Confirm TOP-ed. Its shown on CDL website:
http://www.cdl.com.sg/app/cdl/customers/homebuyer_services/top_progress.xml

I think CDL will send out notification soon.

Komo
01-07-10, 21:09
It's only about 2 years right? Super fast!

azeoprop
02-07-10, 20:57
I think it is because they have started construction long before they launch the project. The launch was delayed until april last year I think. :beats-me-man:

acewee
03-07-10, 00:20
U r right. I remeber the building was almost halfway up when I visited the showflat during launch.


I think it is because they have started construction long before they launch the project. The launch was delayed until april last year I think. :beats-me-man:

gohsoonk
25-07-10, 21:23
This is correct.


I think it is because they have started construction long before they launch the project. The launch was delayed until april last year I think. :beats-me-man:

raetan
27-07-10, 10:31
I share the same sentiment. I pass by this place every day. real ugly office looking bdg, with no "home" feeling. Not for own stay for me. Buy to flip only.

I beg to differ. I am in love with Arte's facade. Maybe you are more comfortable with typical old-fashioned standard family condo designs, that you can see all over the island. Arte's sleek ultra-modern avant-garde unique condo design will not suit your taste. Just like Lincoln Modern, same architect SCDA, which reserved thinking people also condemned its looks, saying it looks like ugly office building instead of a home. Maybe SCDA thinks out of the box and designs a home building that doesn't look like a home building, so that it stands out from the rest. That's why Lincoln Modern has won the Royal Institute of British Architects Worldwide Award 2005. It will not be surprising if The Arte will also win some presitigious design award in the future.

Rysk
27-07-10, 12:33
Went to view last week.. not too bad..

No MM unit..all good size unit
Nice & modern.. I like the lobby too.. very comfortable for visitors

The only bad thing is the project is surrounded by Vista Res, Cube 8 & 368 Thomson.. so view is limited is you choose the wrong stack

devilplate
27-07-10, 12:41
Went to view last week.. not too bad..

No MM unit..all good size unit
Nice & modern.. I like the lobby too.. very comfortable for visitors

The only bad thing is the project is surrounded by Vista Res, Cube 8 & 368 Thomson.. so view is limited is you choose the wrong stack

how bad is the noise level for those units facing PIE?

Rysk
27-07-10, 12:44
how bad is the noise level for those units facing PIE?

Still acceptable.. but the afternoon sun kills!!!

devilplate
27-07-10, 12:49
Still acceptable.. but the afternoon sun kills!!!

from pics, the balcony railing looks ugly....glass balcony will be better to enjoy the view?

teddybear
27-07-10, 13:44
May be (until the glass starts cracking, falling down either as 1 piece or broken pieces 10+ years down the road. People walking downstairs have to wear helment and armour wear...:p)


from pics, the balcony railing looks ugly....glass balcony will be better to enjoy the view?

cl0ver
28-07-10, 13:28
May be (until the glass starts cracking, falling down either as 1 piece or broken pieces 10+ years down the road. People walking downstairs have to wear helment and armour wear...:p)

i think glass balconies are double filmed, so if they crack, it does not shatter....
glass easier to clean, does not rust....

Rysk
28-07-10, 14:01
i think glass balconies are double filmed, so if they crack, it does not shatter....
glass easier to clean, does not rust....

Yes, I noticed is double filmed when I visited one of the unit last week

Mongoose
28-07-10, 23:21
Yes, I noticed is double filmed when I visited one of the unit last week

how you tell glass is double filmed?

hk2313
01-08-10, 15:46
When I look at prices for the Arte (for the nicely sized 2 bedders), its between 1180 - 1330 PSF, depending on floor. Given the location (I realize its D12 and I compare with D11 properties, but it is very close to D11), Cube 8 and Thomson 356 are 1350 ++, and when you get closer to the mRT, Soleil (99 LH) is 1450 - 1700, and Viva 1700 - 1950. Wonder if its a good buy. Has anybody seen both Arte and Montebleu after TOP and can advise how the interior finishings are ? thx

Rysk
01-08-10, 17:36
how you tell glass is double filmed?

Cos what I saw was.. two layer glass was apart.. is like glass 6mm, a gap of 1mm, & again glass 6mm thk

Mongoose
01-08-10, 22:12
Cos what I saw was.. two layer glass was apart.. is like glass 6mm, a gap of 1mm, & again glass 6mm thk

thanks... u have sharp eyes.
so is this considered double-glazed glass?
reduce heat and sound penetration?

DC33_2008
01-08-10, 22:25
That is a double glazed glass. It is good for heat reduction. Not really for sound.
thanks... u have sharp eyes.
so is this considered double-glazed glass?
reduce heat and sound penetration?

browser
03-08-10, 12:22
When I look at prices for the Arte (for the nicely sized 2 bedders), its between 1180 - 1330 PSF, depending on floor. Given the location (I realize its D12 and I compare with D11 properties, but it is very close to D11), Cube 8 and Thomson 356 are 1350 ++, and when you get closer to the mRT, Soleil (99 LH) is 1450 - 1700, and Viva 1700 - 1950. Wonder if its a good buy. Has anybody seen both Arte and Montebleu after TOP and can advise how the interior finishings are ? thx

My fren bought a 4 bedder unit at the arte. I have been inside. The finishing is good. He bought during launch. Make big bucks now..

teddybear
03-08-10, 13:32
What are the type of flooring used for living, dinning, kitchen, bathrooms (marbles, granites, or tiles)? What about walls (marbles or tiles)?
What about flooring for bedrooms?
What are the brands of sanitary wares and taps and showers?
What appliances are provided and brands?
What about doors (solid wood)?
The above will give us a good idea about quality of finishing.


My fren bought a 4 bedder unit at the arte. I have been inside. The finishing is good. He bought during launch. Make big bucks now..

devilplate
03-08-10, 17:54
i only look at the flooring and bathrooms tiles...if marble..i happy oredi:o

one of the best marble flooring i saw b4 was orchard scotts and lucida:D

big big marble:cool:

Mongoose
03-08-10, 23:27
What are the type of flooring used for living, dinning, kitchen, bathrooms (marbles, granites, or tiles)? What about walls (marbles or tiles)?
What about flooring for bedrooms?
What are the brands of sanitary wares and taps and showers?
What appliances are provided and brands?
What about doors (solid wood)?
The above will give us a good idea about quality of finishing.

Hi,
Can you share with us what you think will be considered good quality finishing in your opinion for each of the above items? What is the opinion on good quality finishing for a project?

Besides type of material used, I must also say quality of finishing is also very dependent on workmanship, as well as personal taste.
Marble may be good quality material, but workmanship and layout will determine finishing and stone lines, design and colour is very subjective.

I did some archi trades and finishing for a condo proj before - besides subcon quality, it also depend on how good the main con engineers are at asking subcon to ensure proper installation, catch defects, etc before handover of unit to developer.

Have you seen an actual unit at the arte?

Mongoose
03-08-10, 23:31
That is a double glazed glass. It is good for heat reduction. Not really for sound.

Thanks!
If Arte has double glazed glass, its v good, not sure how many projs have double-glazed glass these days... Architects/developers may not specify it to save some $$$...

jdm
08-08-10, 18:03
write this place off for a few years. no one will want to rent with all that construction on most sides of it.

PIE noise is a factor. very loud!!!
terrible investment....

hk2313
08-08-10, 18:28
if u think Arte has problems with the Noise Level, how do youj think Cube 8 and Thomson 356 will fare ? As for the construction / rent, I think its a question of price, i.e. with a reasonable rent, or below market rent Iwhich for this project still covers mortgage), it should be possible

suricat
08-08-10, 18:38
368 Thomson location is quite sheltered from PIE but Thomson and Balestier Roads have become very noisy in the last few years.
Cube 8 will be awful - the Albany (enbloced building) was bad and the previous owners were glad to get out.
Regarding the Arte - I fail to see any plus points with the public areas or the apartments and would love to hear positives from owners or current renters.

hyenergix
08-08-10, 18:52
Current traffic jam around Balestier is already quite bad. With new condos TOP in the next few years, it is only a matter of time the entire Thomson and Balestier junction gets severely jammed up.

Mabel
09-08-10, 07:55
I am looking to invest in a unit here. I drive past almost everyday and see this dark grey building. It looks like an office but enough to know it's a residence. Prices are quite steep but it's unique. Aircon must be on all day to beat the noise. How long to walk to MRT?

devilplate
09-08-10, 11:10
I am looking to invest in a unit here. I drive past almost everyday and see this dark grey building. It looks like an office but enough to know it's a residence. Prices are quite steep but it's unique. Aircon must be on all day to beat the noise. How long to walk to MRT?

forget about walking to MRT:D

august
09-08-10, 11:22
I am looking to invest in a unit here. I drive past almost everyday and see this dark grey building. It looks like an office but enough to know it's a residence. Prices are quite steep but it's unique. Aircon must be on all day to beat the noise. How long to walk to MRT?

ya.. the facade looks like office

eng81157
09-08-10, 11:25
I am looking to invest in a unit here. I drive past almost everyday and see this dark grey building. It looks like an office but enough to know it's a residence. Prices are quite steep but it's unique. Aircon must be on all day to beat the noise. How long to walk to MRT?

walk? at least a 10-15mins walk to novena mrt

kane
09-08-10, 14:43
forget about walking to MRT:D

i'm guessing around 15-20mins depending on pace.

tiks
12-08-10, 11:20
My friend just got his keys. The finishing is pretty impressive - the floors, toilets and cabinets are all very well made. What's interesting is that I am pretty sure the balcony doors are double glazed, as it shuts out the sound of the traffic outside. As expected CDL did a pretty good job.

azeoprop
12-08-10, 17:06
ya.. the facade looks like office

I think Montebleu looks much better even though both have similar shades of grey color scheme.

teddybear
12-08-10, 17:35
"Well made" - what are the materials used?


My friend just got his keys. The finishing is pretty impressive - the floors, toilets and cabinets are all very well made. What's interesting is that I am pretty sure the balcony doors are double glazed, as it shuts out the sound of the traffic outside. As expected CDL did a pretty good job.

Mongoose
12-08-10, 22:12
"Well made" - what are the materials used?


What are the type of flooring used for living, dinning, kitchen, bathrooms (marbles, granites, or tiles)? What about walls (marbles or tiles)?
What about flooring for bedrooms?
What are the brands of sanitary wares and taps and showers?
What appliances are provided and brands?
What about doors (solid wood)?
The above will give us a good idea about quality of finishing.

Living, dining, kitchen: Marble flooring
Master bath: Marble flooring and wall, granite vanity top
Common baths: homogeneous floor tiles, granite vanity top
Bedrooms: Timber strip flooring
Sanitary wares: Hansgrohe tap and shower mixers for all Master and Common baths, Vitra Sinks and Vitra kitchen mixer
Appliances: Cooker hood, hob, oven and fridge (all Bosch)
Other: Remote control lighting dimmers in living, dining and master bedroom, Mitsubishi multi-split a/con, smoke detectors and movement sensors for private lift lobby

Well-made? Best to go look-look see-see to find out if finishing is good... material or brand is not everything

teddybear
12-08-10, 22:27
Materials and brand (synomous with quality) are the most important followed by worksmanship. Without the former, no matter how good the worksmanship is, things will still start falling apart within 3-5 years!
Materials sound Ok (except common baths) but still have to see (because actual quality & range can be very wide), brands used just mid-range (but already much better than many RCR and OCR condos). :cheers1:


Living, dining, kitchen: Marble flooring
Master bath: Marble flooring and wall, granite vanity top
Common baths: homogeneous floor tiles, granite vanity top
Bedrooms: Timber strip flooring
Sanitary wares: Hansgrohe tap and shower mixers for all Master and Common baths, Vitra Sinks and Vitra kitchen mixer
Appliances: Cooker hood, hob, oven and fridge (all Bosch)
Other: Remote control lighting dimmers in living, dining and master bedroom, Mitsubishi multi-split a/con, smoke detectors and movement sensors for private lift lobby

Well-made? Best to go look-look see-see to find out if finishing is good... material or brand is not everything

Mongoose
12-08-10, 23:43
Materials and brand (synomous with quality) are the most important followed by worksmanship. Without the former, no matter how good the worksmanship is, things will still start falling apart within 3-5 years!
Materials sound Ok (except common baths) but still have to see (because actual quality & range can be very wide), brands used just mid-range (but already much better than many RCR and OCR condos). :cheers1:

Branded/good appliance I can replace easily... good workmanship hard to get, and bad flooring or wardrobe installed can be hard to change.
I tend to value the latter more, but just my personal view.

Moreover, as most will attest to, good brand not always equal can use very long... u can end up with a lemon (cars is one good example)
Or worse, if you see how some main cons treat the household appliance while moving it around the site or installing it, you wonder if it will last long haha...

Agree that Arte is already better than most RCR/OCR finishing... prob even better than Vista.

That's why I ask your opinion on what is good finishing.
And which project in your opinion is of good brand/quality finishing. Arte is ok compared to what? I hope you are not thinking of gold-plated taps... haha!

proud owner
12-08-10, 23:49
Living, dining, kitchen: Marble flooring
Master bath: Marble flooring and wall, granite vanity top
Common baths: homogeneous floor tiles, granite vanity top
Bedrooms: Timber strip flooring
Sanitary wares: Hansgrohe tap and shower mixers for all Master and Common baths, Vitra Sinks and Vitra kitchen mixer
Appliances: Cooker hood, hob, oven and fridge (all Bosch)
Other: Remote control lighting dimmers in living, dining and master bedroom, Mitsubishi multi-split a/con, smoke detectors and movement sensors for private lift lobby

Well-made? Best to go look-look see-see to find out if finishing is good... material or brand is not everything

serious ?

i always wonder why they use MARBLE for dining and kitchen ...

marble stains easily .. and these 2 areas are most likely to kana stained ..

or is it really Marble looking tiles ?

i know many places used tiles with the marble grains lookalike ...

Mongoose
13-08-10, 00:01
serious ?

i always wonder why they use MARBLE for dining and kitchen ...

marble stains easily .. and these 2 areas are most likely to kana stained ..

or is it really Marble looking tiles ?

i know many places used tiles with the marble grains lookalike ...
yes, that's what i saw, so I can confirm its marble.
its not tiles, cos the grout lines are smooth and polished, u can see the line btw the tiles, but u cannot feel it when u run your fingers across the floor.

agree marble can stain easily, esp if you don't clean it off immediately.
esp the marble used in the proj is predominantly white with grey stone lines. no free lunch... owners who want the glam look have to make effort to maintain.

but it sure beats projs that try to market compressed marble or worse, porcelain-like flooring that try to pass off as marble.

proud owner
13-08-10, 00:15
yes, that's what i saw, so I can confirm its marble.
its not tiles, cos the grout lines are smooth and polished, u can see the line btw the tiles, but u cannot feel it when u run your fingers across the floor.

agree marble can stain easily, esp if you don't clean it off immediately.
esp the marble used in the proj is predominantly white with grey stone lines. no free lunch... owners who want the glam look have to make effort to maintain.

but it sure beats projs that try to market compressed marble or worse, porcelain-like flooring that try to pass off as marble.

did u confirm with developer that it is indeed real marble ?

cos there are now tiles that look just like marble .. straight cut ..so the edges are joined very nicely and dont look like tradiltional tiles where the edges are slightly tapered .. hence when put together they have a grove ..

real marble are porus .. thats why the stain stays if not remove timely..

so real marble is truly not suitable for kitchen, bathroom floors ..

for wall still ok ..

teddybear
13-08-10, 00:18
For luxury projects, Miele! Nothing except Miele! Known to last for 20+ years! (rated to have most lasting appliances in Europe survey). :D

For kitchen and bathroom flooring, I prefer granite (not marbles as the latter stains easily and when exposed to water patches too often will have holes!).

Sanitary wares - Toto, Ideal Standard, etc.
Tapes & bathroom showers - high-end Hansgrohe or Axor (not the low-end Hansgrohe!) or newform etc.

Doors - solid wood Nyatoh.

What else?


Branded/good appliance I can replace easily... good workmanship hard to get, and bad flooring or wardrobe installed can be hard to change.
I tend to value the latter more, but just my personal view.

Moreover, as most will attest to, good brand not always equal can use very long... u can end up with a lemon (cars is one good example)
Or worse, if you see how some main cons treat the household appliance while moving it around the site or installing it, you wonder if it will last long haha...

Agree that Arte is already better than most RCR/OCR finishing... prob even better than Vista.

That's why I ask your opinion on what is good finishing.
And which project in your opinion is of good brand/quality finishing. Arte is ok compared to what? I hope you are not thinking of gold-plated taps... haha!

devilplate
13-08-10, 00:21
For luxury projects, Miele! Nothing except Miele! Known to last for 20+ years! (rated to have most lasting appliances in Europe survey). :D

For kitchen and bathroom flooring, I prefer granite (not marbles as the latter stains easily and when exposed to water patches too often will have holes!).

Sanitary wares - Toto, Ideal Standard, etc.
Tapes & bathroom showers - high-end Hansgrohe or Axor (not the low-end Hansgrohe!) or newform etc.

Doors - solid wood Nyatoh.

What else?

u r in the wrong thread....D12 project here leh:p

proud owner
13-08-10, 00:22
For luxury projects, Miele! Nothing except Miele! Known to last for 20+ years! (rated to have most lasting appliances in Europe survey). :D

For kitchen and bathroom flooring, I prefer granite (not marbles as the latter stains easily and when exposed to water patches too often will have holes!).

Sanitary wares - Toto, Ideal Standard, etc.
Tapes & bathroom showers - high-end Hansgrohe or Axor (not the low-end Hansgrohe!) or newform etc.

Doors - solid wood Nyatoh.

What else?


WOW Impressive ...

are you aware that Miele almost never have sales ?


if only they manufacture it to be used in Asia .. i believe Sub-Zero will be very popular

proud owner
13-08-10, 00:25
u r in the wrong thread....D12 project here leh:p


hahahah bro


now that you asked .. this is D12 ... why the price like D11 ??

if price can be like D11...buyers can and should expect high end appliances mah ..

if no high end appliances ,then buyers should know they kana ketok already

acewee
13-08-10, 00:27
Of course they do. I've been to their warehouse sales before.


WOW Impressive ...

are you aware that Miele almost never have sales ?


if only they manufacture it to be used in Asia .. i believe Sub-Zero will be very popular

teddybear
13-08-10, 00:27
Bosch not bad lah, better than Ariston / Electrolux / LG / Samsung etc. :p


hahahah bro


now that you asked .. this is D12 ... why the price like D11 ??

if price can be like D11...buyers can and should expect high end appliances mah ..

if no high end appliances ,then buyers should know they kana ketok already

proud owner
13-08-10, 00:30
Of course they do. I've been to their warehouse sales before.

you mean Miele sales ?

very rare to unheard of

when was the sale and where is their warehouse ? (say it quickly)


toungue twister

proud owner
13-08-10, 00:31
Bosch not bad lah, better than Ariston / Electrolux / LG / Samsung etc. :p


Bosch's design CMI

acewee
13-08-10, 00:33
Sometime early this year. Their warehouse is in Serangoon North Ave 3 or 5, can't remember exactly. But the items are booked very fast.


you mean Miele sales ?

very rare to unheard of

when was the sale and where is their warehouse ? (say it quickly)


toungue twister

devilplate
13-08-10, 00:34
hahahah bro


now that you asked .. this is D12 ... why the price like D11 ??

if price can be like D11...buyers can and should expect high end appliances mah ..

if no high end appliances ,then buyers should know they kana ketok already

this price high meh....got viva...lincoln suites etc leh...

still got luxury prime >2000psf leh...hehe

remember The Sail...southbank...etc etc:D

hmmm...den those landed >1500psf, got gold bars buried underneath?:p

proud owner
13-08-10, 00:38
this price high meh....got viva...lincoln suites etc leh...

still got luxury prime >2000psf leh...hehe

remember The Sail...southbank...etc etc:D

hmmm...den those landed >1500psf, got gold bars buried underneath?:p

you can never know

If Forest Gump is singaporean ...

he would say : "life is like buying condo(house) you will never know whats inside until TOP"

teddybear
13-08-10, 00:38
Luxury projects got marble & granite flooring everywhere, full suite of Miele appliances, Axor, Toto (or equivalent) etc. The Sail got mah? Mid-market can command luxury price? :scared-3:
What about Southbank?


this price high meh....got viva...lincoln suites etc leh...

still got luxury prime >2000psf leh...hehe

remember The Sail...southbank...etc etc:D

hmmm...den those landed >1500psf, got gold bars buried underneath?:p

devilplate
13-08-10, 00:45
Luxury projects got marble & granite flooring everywhere, full suite of Miele appliances, Axor, Toto (or equivalent) etc. The Sail got mah? Mid-market can command luxury price? :scared-3:
What about Southbank?

wat i m trying to say is: The Sail/Southbank r some gd examples....interior furnishing doesnt affect their price growth...

maisonjai
13-08-10, 23:43
wah considering the price last year was only 8++psf, finishing like that considered very good deal leh, no? :confused:

Mongoose
14-08-10, 18:51
actually i don't know how much does finishing actually count in the psf.
isn't property primarily about tenure, location, layout/design?
After seeing Arte (and generally the rest of the CDL projs in this area), the finishing is already very good as compared to a lot of other projs around.

The current pricing of Arte is not driven solely by the quality of finishing (although I am sure there is some value attributed to it), so I don't know why the big fuss about the "poor" finishing and design by some people around here. you said it yourself, at 900psf it is a steal (freehold, next to D11 and quite decent finishing) and that's why the price has gone up. but there are other downside as well (PIE, construction noise from Vista, Cube, some afternoon sun units)...

teddybear
14-08-10, 22:56
Only for now while they are still relatively new. Wait for another a few years more and let's see whether their prices can hold up.


wat i m trying to say is: The Sail/Southbank r some gd examples....interior furnishing doesnt affect their price growth...

dmonddd
15-08-10, 10:12
went to take a look. impressed with the squarish layout which makes furniture placement easy

dmonddd
15-08-10, 13:15
property developers are deemed as gurus compared to some smart alecs here. proven that they sold everything. now all talking post mortem stuff....farnee.

thats why ppl always say buy from reputable developers. they are in the market. and they can feel the market better than some who think they are master gurus
:expert: or

:stupid:

azeoprop
23-07-11, 16:48
23rd July 2011. :)

DC33_2008
23-07-11, 16:59
I am not too keen on this due to its proximity from PIE and facing. Cube * is really giving it a hard time for the next 2 years.
23rd July 2011. :)

ecimbew
25-07-11, 00:24
23rd July 2011. :)

Azeoprop, we share the same interest. You are walking around and climbing HDB blocks too?

august
25-07-11, 00:53
23rd July 2011. :)

is not an attractive building i feel... every time go by PIE sure cannot miss its somewhat dull bland colour and look.

azeoprop
25-07-11, 22:16
Azeoprop, we share the same interest. You are walking around and climbing HDB blocks too?

Hee hee, yeap, looking for the dream view. :p

buttercarp
25-07-11, 23:35
I used to fantasize living in the penthouse in the Arte. But the price is simply exorbitant. Hubby said he will not pay so much to stay in the air. So, to take advantage of our rights as a citizen, we went ahead for a landed property.
So each time I drive pass the Arte, I can only continue to fantasize.....

Rysk
26-07-11, 12:16
Yeah, for $3m, I would rather stay landed pty.. I even don't mind buying a land & do rebuild to suit to my taste.

stalingrad
26-07-11, 12:20
Yeah, for $3m, I would rather stay landed pty.. I even don't mind buying a land & do rebuild to suit to my taste.

can't understand why anyone would like to live in a landed. mozzies galore and few facilities. plus, it is damp and dark inside, perfect for the poltergeists.

Rysk
26-07-11, 12:24
I am not too keen on this due to its proximity from PIE and facing. Cube * is really giving it a hard time for the next 2 years.

You mean all the units is facing PIE & Cube 8??:rolleyes:

Rysk
26-07-11, 12:35
can't understand why anyone would like to live in a landed. mozzies galore and few facilities. plus, it is damp and dark inside, perfect for the poltergeists.

No facilities also ok lah.. even with full facilities, I only use the pool once every 2-3 mths, book clubhoue maybe twice a year.. didn't go gym, tennis court, etc.
Once I visited by fren rebuild Semi-D, is so spacious & bright also. The 1st level living/dining/kitchen is equivalent to my whole hse area.. his master bathroom is almost the size of my masterbdrm... the whole build in is up to 5000sf, come with a 20m lap pool

DC33_2008
26-07-11, 12:58
Most buildings have 4 sides and depend on orientation. Noise and dust propagates and disperses. It can be more nosy and dusty for some stacks.
You mean all the units is facing PIE & Cube 8??:rolleyes:

Mongoose
26-07-11, 13:02
You mean all the units is facing PIE & Cube 8??:rolleyes:

i think the units that are not facing PIE are ok. Not much view but less noise.
Those units facing PIE have a decent unblocked view of polo club, but have to put up with traffic noise.

Mongoose
26-07-11, 13:07
No facilities also ok lah.. even with full facilities, I only use the pool once every 2-3 mths, book clubhoue maybe twice a year.. didn't go gym, tennis court, etc.
Once I visited by fren rebuild Semi-D, is so spacious & bright also. The 1st level living/dining/kitchen is equivalent to my whole hse area.. his master bathroom is almost the size of my masterbdrm... the whole build in is up to 5000sf, come with a 20m lap pool

To each his own. Personally altho I'm staying in condo, my dream home is also landed, semi D if possible, just as you describe.
However, I have many frens who would not stay in landed ppty even though they have cash to splash. They wld rather buy Aalto or St Thomas Suites, 2000sq ft at 2000psf. That's easily 3.5-4mil. Look at all the folks at Sky11... they all can buy a terrace/semi D in a decent area.

DC33_2008
26-07-11, 13:07
If you have blocks of building that is in close proximity, noise can partially absorb and partially bounce off from one unit to the other.
i think the units that are not facing PIE are ok. Not much view but less noise.
Those units facing PIE have a decent unblocked view of polo club, but have to put up with traffic noise.

Mongoose
26-07-11, 13:37
If you have blocks of building that is in close proximity, noise can partially absorb and partially bounce off from one unit to the other.

i think CDL was quite shrewd in developing the facing of the units at Arte, Cube and 368, and as with most developers try not to "cannabilise" their own developments.

firstly, all 36 storey building, max out 2.8 plot ratio (iirc), so no standout above the others. of course FEO's vista residence is 40 floors.

secondly, the units don't directly look into each other. at least some semblance of privacy, so cube don't look into arte, arte don't look into 368. not the best, but in such close proximity, its probably the best that can be done, esp if you compare some of the other developments around novena, irrawarrdy, etc.

thirdly, cdl tried to ensure that each development doesn't block the original buyer's view. so there is no risk that arte or cube 8 buyers are disadvantaged with a new development coming up blocking their entire view.

but i guess there is no way they can manage the noise no matter how the layout. its up to LTA to improve it if possible, just as they are doing so with MRT now.

buttercarp
26-07-11, 15:34
can't understand why anyone would like to live in a landed. mozzies galore and few facilities. plus, it is damp and dark inside, perfect for the poltergeists.

I am presently living in a condo and loving it.
Apsrt from my kids, my husband and I do no make use of the facilities.
So condo is good for kids.
When they grow up they will use less of the facilities and it is not worthwhile paying for the maintenance.
Also, why compete with the foreigners with the condos.
So I have decided to move on to landed, but keep condo for investment.
If next time don't like landed, can always go back to condo.

tiks
26-07-11, 17:11
is not an attractive building i feel... every time go by PIE sure cannot miss its somewhat dull bland colour and look.

I am not sure how anyone can judge a development by how it looks from the outside. Have you been inside the Arte?

I visited a friend who lives there. The pool is nice sized 50m pool, well landscaped, lots of open spaces (unusual for a D12) and ample carpark. And you can't go wrong with CDL's finishings and design for the apartment itself - the windows are even double-glazed for shutting out any noise

It is much more attractive than the other D12 developments coming up like Nova, iResidences, Domus - which are built on tiny plots of land

My only complaint is that the balconies are huge for the larger units.

Mongoose
26-07-11, 20:40
I am not sure how anyone can judge a development by how it looks from the outside. Have you been inside the Arte?

I visited a friend who lives there. The pool is nice sized 50m pool, well landscaped, lots of open spaces (unusual for a D12) and ample carpark. And you can't go wrong with CDL's finishings and design for the apartment itself - the windows are even double-glazed for shutting out any noise

It is much more attractive than the other D12 developments coming up like Nova, iResidences, Domus - which are built on tiny plots of land

My only complaint is that the balconies are huge for the larger units.

I mentioned about the CDL finishing and Dragages construction quality in some of my earlier posts. Its almost 2nd to none, and the BCA construction quality score at Arte is by far one of the highest in Singapore. that's why Dragages was engaged to build both Cube 8 and 368 thomson. And they are super fast in construction, Cube 8 and 368 will TOP almost together, and don't be surprised if its TOP by end 2012/mid 2013.

I have a friend who is the supplier for the aluminum windows at Arte... i'm not sure they are double glazed but supposedly they are of super build quality and from France, shuts out the noise pretty good. Arte has one of the largest f/h land area amongst all the D12 and D11 projects in this area (ok maybe excluding Sky11)

Rysk
02-08-11, 14:31
Another record breaking(psf), even for a big unit
July 2011
1625sf
$2,230,000
$1372psf

azeoprop
30-08-11, 22:06
Invisible Grille installed in one of the units here.

http://invisiblegrille.blogspot.com/2011/07/novena-condo-installation.html

phantom_opera
13-09-12, 16:28
wow ... superb feeling .. if only got proper city / lake / seaview ... the amount of curtain required is :scared-3:

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/c/7/9/d/c79dac25501391_1_V550.jpg

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/7/2/a/1/72a1e424389271_1_V550.jpg

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/c/9/f/d/c9fdcf24389267_1_V550.jpg

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/b/d/c/1/bdc1d725451158_1_V550.jpg
http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/b/a/a/0/baa05f3448524_1_V550.jpg

phantom_opera
13-09-12, 16:38
dizzying poolview

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/8/a/2/2/8a222424876951_1_V550.jpg

goodness ... can sleep here with king size bed :not-worthy:

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/e/2/e/6/e2e67524876942_1_V550.jpg

azeoprop
13-09-12, 17:10
Missed the boat...their large 1055sqft 2 bedders low to mid floor ones were around 900k during preview in 2009. :o

Rysk
13-09-12, 19:15
Think now is about 1.2-1.3k psf..
F'hold full condo.. city fringe.. still consider cheap cheap lor..

Mass market Sky Habitat 99-LH already transacting around 1.5-1.8k psf.. :scared-3:

kane
13-09-12, 21:01
my legs will go soft staring down at the pool like that.

azeoprop
13-09-12, 21:11
my legs will go soft staring down at the pool like that.

Bungee jump... :rolleyes:

buttercarp
14-09-12, 14:24
What do you all think about this unit?
The balcony is long.
Does anyone know how much space does the balcony occupies?

Bro radha, will you consider this unit?

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/0/0/9/7/00973124006145_1_V550.jpg

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/7/e/a/4/7ea4bf24006871_1_V550.jpg

http://cdn-sg2.pgimgs.com/images/thumb/3/8/5/6/3856c924006891_1_V550.jpg

carbuncle
14-09-12, 14:44
the top and bottom railings together make it look like sharp teeth.... cavernous mouth of monster alligator or what

propertychap
14-09-12, 14:50
Vista Residences beside looks much better with the big sky gardens. Arte got sky gardens?

buttercarp
14-09-12, 15:33
the top and bottom railings together make it look like sharp teeth.... cavernous mouth of monster alligator or what

Oh ya.... bro, you so observant.
Why they go design something like that?

In 2009, I also targetted this development but hesitated because it is so near the highway.
Wonder why the price did not shoot sky high, given its location.

Could the highway and surrounding construction be a put off?

Ricade
15-09-12, 18:02
I had a unit at Arte previously, managed to sell it off last yr at decent price.

I like it that the unit is spacious and finish is good. Didn't have much defect to rectify even after 1 yr stay. Good place for own stay and central location. Units facing the highway / tan tong Meng towers / cube8 are not good, due to noise and loss of privacy.

But units facing novena ; especially stack 02 at the corner is very nice. Unblocked view to novena/city and can even see Singapore flyer from higher floors.

The only bad thing I can comment on for this project is that facilities provIded seems to be v standard/boring. Lawn grass looks ugly (at the time I have the unit) and unkempt. FInishing at playground Tennis court area looks cheap not classy. For so much land space, developer did not fully bring out the potential of this condo.

DC33_2008
15-09-12, 20:33
There is afternoon sun for those facing the PIE. :scared-4:
I had a unit at Arte previously, managed to sell it off last yr at decent price.

I like it that the unit is spacious and finish is good. Didn't have much defect to rectify even after 1 yr stay. Good place for own stay and central location. Units facing the highway / tan tong Meng towers / cube8 are not good, due to noise and loss of privacy.

But units facing novena ; especially stack 02 at the corner is very nice. Unblocked view to novena/city and can even see Singapore flyer from higher floors.

The only bad thing I can comment on for this project is that facilities provIded seems to be v standard/boring. Lawn grass looks ugly (at the time I have the unit) and unkempt. FInishing at playground Tennis court area looks cheap not classy. For so much land space, developer did not fully bring out the potential of this condo.

ekl2ekl2
15-09-12, 22:01
I had a unit at Arte previously, managed to sell it off last yr at decent price.

I like it that the unit is spacious and finish is good. Didn't have much defect to rectify even after 1 yr stay. Good place for own stay and central location. Units facing the highway / tan tong Meng towers / cube8 are not good, due to noise and loss of privacy.

But units facing novena ; especially stack 02 at the corner is very nice. Unblocked view to novena/city and can even see Singapore flyer from higher floors.

The only bad thing I can comment on for this project is that facilities provIded seems to be v standard/boring. Lawn grass looks ugly (at the time I have the unit) and unkempt. FInishing at playground Tennis court area looks cheap not classy. For so much land space, developer did not fully bring out the potential of this condo.

The noise from those directly facing the PIE is no joke, though after sometime, one gets used to it.

buttercarp
15-09-12, 22:40
The noise from those directly facing the PIE is no joke, though after sometime, one gets used to it.

If you shut the windows and turn on aircon, that should reduce the noise by alot, right?

ekl2ekl2
15-09-12, 23:27
If you shut the windows and turn on aircon, that should reduce the noise by alot, right?

But can't keep the windows or balcony doors closed all the time.

Arte still a little distance away from PIE, the noise from some units at Trillis Tower across the road is even worse. Similarly noise for units in the condos facing just next to CTE are equally bad. At least for units facing the ECP, the seaview somehow makes the noise more bearable.