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gfoo
15-11-09, 20:25
Many forummers have been taking sides on the rich-poor divide debate, while some sit on the fence. So here's a simple anonymous poll: What's your take on the RPD and what would you do/what's your reaction?

august
15-11-09, 21:29
raise GST is to help the poor! :p

Reporter
15-11-09, 22:13
raise GST is to help the poor! :p
I agree.

Do it subtlely. Don't frighten the rich. Let the rich stay here. Tax the rich to help the poor.

focus
15-11-09, 22:29
GST does not help the poor.. it is the one that impacts them directly and raises their cost of living.

Only Capital Gain Tax, Income Tax and Estate Duty hits the rich more than the poor. But we did away with 2 of them and kept the other low - that's the reasons why the rich are coming into singapore (esp the estate duty). But I'm for that as well :) Not rich..but estate duty will hit me alot too and i've also gained alot from capital gain tax waiever.

The only way to help the poor is actually govt subsidies (which is gotten from taxes).

august
15-11-09, 22:55
The only way to help the poor is actually govt subsidies (which is gotten from taxes).

hmm... ways to help the poor...
i can only think of minimum wage for a start ~
also subsidised housing (not the mah minister's definition of "subsidy" though lol) & free education

Reporter
15-11-09, 23:04
hmm... ways to help the poor...
i can only think of minimum wage for a start ~
also subsidised housing (not the mah minister's definition of "subsidy" though lol) & free education
Agree with minimum wage but it should be done through government supplement - not from the employers' pocket.

Agree with free education.

jlrx
16-11-09, 00:03
Only Capital Gain Tax, Income Tax and Estate Duty hits the rich more than the poor. But we did away with 2 of them and kept the other low

Where got low? :scared-4:

Very very high!!!

http://images.zaazu.com/img/cry2-male-cry-tears-smiley-emoticon-000276-large.gif

Some more still got people in the above poll choose "Sacrifice: The divide is unfair! Tax me more, and favor the poor"!

Really very noble ...

The best solution is to raise the GST, it is more invisible as you don't feel it so much.

focus
16-11-09, 01:01
Where got low? :scared-4:

Very very high!!!

http://images.zaazu.com/img/cry2-male-cry-tears-smiley-emoticon-000276-large.gif

Some more still got people in the above poll choose "Sacrifice: The divide is unfair! Tax me more, and favor the poor"!

Really very noble ...

The best solution is to raise the GST, it is more invisible as you don't feel it so much.
Uh ok what.. you earn more.. you get taxed at highest bracket is alright mah.. I used to pay taxes at the highest bracket but have since stopped paying because my income is now derived solely from dividends/interests which are taxed at source.. (which taxed indirectly but doesn't bother me.. it's a happy problem to be taxed at the highest bracket! :))

gfoo
16-11-09, 01:02
wah pple here very noble

my gr gr grandfather came to singapore dirt poor, but worked his way up to become clerk in a brit merchant firm. even my time my mother used to sit at table with me with a cane and reminded me that if i dun study, i'll end up begging in the streets (and get nice corporal or sergeant stripes if i fail exams)

in singapore most people with a poly dip or a basic local degree make it to the middle classes. then there are those wo formal education but thru sheer grit become successes. if one falls into neither of those categories, well, this is a consequence of a misspent youth and subsequently, not trying hard enough. that is life.

free edu is a right and a must. but min wages etc rewards the lazy- wat sort of msg are we sending future gens?

even in the stone age - he who trains to hunt and hunts well gets his rightful share of the hunt.

the only thing that sits apart is ***ual attractiveness. Only God determines who has a handsome face or bigger boobies

focus
16-11-09, 01:13
free edu is a right and a must. but min wages etc rewards the lazy- wat sort of msg are we sending future gens?

even in the stone age - he who trains to hunt and hunts well gets his rightful share of the hunt.

the only thing that sits apart is ***ual attractiveness. Only God determines who has a handsome face or bigger boobies
Nowadays, the plastic surgeon determines your boobies and face :) It's a common trend nowadays with alot of middle class and above people.

Unless the environment here supports an active labour union that fights for adequate wages, the policy of Min. Wages is a good way to prevent exploitation of the weak. Of course, everything carried to an extreme is bad.

From here I think a good thought i gleamed off the book of "A mandarin and the making of public policy - Ngian Tong Dow" is that the policy when it was first formulated was good and served its purpose. However, subsequent iterations became improvement/fine-tuning of the policy without considering whether there is a need for the policy or why there was this policy in the first place. In other words, subsequent administrations lose sight of the purpose of the policies , but instead just implement it for the sake of continuity and not rocking the boat too much.

If i'm not wrong, NWC (national wage council) served as the intermediary between workers, union and companies to target an orderly wage increase or to set guidelines on adequate wage structure. But has NWC lose sights of its purpose and is now more bias towards companies? I don't know and it's for you to judge and comment as I have always been adequately compensated for my effort, it's the blue-collars locals that NWC probably should start focusing on.

jlrx
16-11-09, 02:15
it's a happy problem to be taxed at the highest bracket! :))

Happy ... until the Notice of Assessment arrives.

http://images.zaazu.com/img/cry2-male-cry-tears-smiley-emoticon-000276-large.gif

They should reduce it to 17%, same as company tax rate.

xebay11
16-11-09, 07:15
but min wages etc rewards the lazy- wat sort of msg are we sending future gens?


Min wage does not reward the lazy, it helps to prevent the exploitation by employers, especially when employees are competing with 3rd world competition for jobs. It helps ppl to survive, so it is not a reward.

new2mondrian
16-11-09, 08:44
This is interesting... with gfoo raising the issue on rich poor divide.

Here are my 2 cents on how to bridge this:

Against:
1) GST increase
-GST is a consumption based tax. Due to its fixed rate, GST taxes the poor MORE than the rich; contrary to popular belief. Take the poor for example - Mr ChurchMouse earns $800 per month (after CPF). $250 is for rental, $150 is for transport, $50 is for medical, and $350 for food and personal consumption. In short, Mr ChurchMouse saves nothing and consumes everything. 100% of his earnings are subject to GST.

As opposed to Mr Rich who earns $20k, spends $8k and invest the rest (stocks, commodities, properties). The portion of his income subject to GST is 40%. Taxation should always be assessed in proportionate terms, not in dollar quantum.

2) Minimum wages and unemployment benefits
- Countries which legislated minimum wages have lagged in competitiveness. For Singapore which is an open economy and heavily dependent on external demand and foreign direct investment, minimum wages is a no-no. Kills off our competitiveness over the long run.

For:
1) Greater equalisation of opportunities
- Free (quality) early childhood education for median household income of $4k and below. Early childhood is a time of rapid brain development; where phonetic concepts and the ability to read and write well are acquired. Investment in early childhood reaps better returns than investment at any other point of a child's life and helps to break the poverty cycle. Greater emphasis and investment in education through all levels is also a good social leveller.

2) Enhancement of Singapore's competitiveness
- The key here is not to tax EACH company or EACH individual more, but to attract MORE high net worth individuals and viable companies to set up base here such that our tax base will be increased. With the rest of the developed economies printing so much $$$ to finance their national debt, the inevitable outcome is only to raise taxes to finance their debt. Singapore should do the reverse to capture more of such companies and individuals. With greater competitiveness, jobs creation will proliferate and the poor will have more opportunities and better social workfare.

As with all developed economies, the rich poor divide will only get larger with time. It is an inevitable social ill; but it is how the society develops in its graciousness and compassion over time that will also help to bridge this divide.

xebay11
16-11-09, 08:52
2) Minimum wages and unemployment benefits
- Countries which legislated minimum wages have lagged in competitiveness. For Singapore which is an open economy and heavily dependent on external demand and foreign direct investment, minimum wages is a no-no. Kills off our competitiveness over the long run.


But what about the poor? How do they survive without minimum wage and open competition? Many undeveloped countries suffer from this inequality and are they more competitive? Many still remain 3rd world country piss poor.

proud owner
16-11-09, 10:09
theres no quick fix to make the poor more rich ..

setting minimum wage will piss employers .. and they will move to China / indo / malaysia ...

i best , most effective way to FREE education , all the way to at least A levels ...

with a good education , everyone is given an equal opportunity

Reporter
16-11-09, 10:40
theres no quick fix to make the poor more rich ..

setting minimum wage will piss employers .. and they will move to China / indo / malaysia ...

i best , most effective way to FREE education , all the way to at least A levels ...

with a good education , everyone is given an equal opportunity
Ask the government to top it up lah.


Agree with minimum wage but it should be done through government supplement - not from the employers' pocket.

Agree with free education.

xebay11
16-11-09, 10:55
Ask the government to top it up lah.

Agree that minimum wage to be topped up by Govt.

A good education is not necessarily the best way out of the poverty trap these days, I was just watching a documentary on the Philippines and everyone wants to study hard too, I was just wondering how many of them would end up in Singapore, taking away the opportunities of the next generation Singaporeans with their low demands here but considered still good salaries after they remit the money home.

august
16-11-09, 10:59
Min wage does not reward the lazy, it helps to prevent the exploitation by employers, especially when employees are competing with 3rd world competition for jobs. It helps ppl to survive, so it is not a reward.

Precisely ~ :cool:
Meant to be prevent exploitation from capitalists.

august
16-11-09, 11:01
theres no quick fix to make the poor more rich ..

setting minimum wage will piss employers .. and they will move to China / indo / malaysia ...

i best , most effective way to FREE education , all the way to at least A levels ...

with a good education , everyone is given an equal opportunity

Err, excuse me. Settiing minimum wage is to make the poor more rich??? Sounds like a straw man argument to me. :tongue3:

proud owner
16-11-09, 11:07
Err, excuse me. Settiing minimum wage is to make the poor more rich??? Sounds like a straw man argument to me. :tongue3:


i didnt say that

i said THERES NO QUICK FIX TO MAKE POOR MORE RICH .... meaning its a long process ...

then i went on to say that :
SETTING MIN WAGE WILL PISS EMPLOYERS ...


there is a reason why those 2 statements are on 2 separate sentences ...so that they are 2 different topics, so to speak ..

havent you learn that in school ? ?


see a good education is important

august
16-11-09, 11:12
2) Minimum wages and unemployment benefits
- Countries which legislated minimum wages have lagged in competitiveness. For Singapore which is an open economy and heavily dependent on external demand and foreign direct investment, minimum wages is a no-no. Kills off our competitiveness over the long run.


Haha when ppl talk about minimum wage it is refering to those most lowly paid, as opposed to wage cap for top earners. Do these lowest paid jobs chip away a company's competitiveness? If it does, then such a company is already not in an industry that value adds.

Hiring based on the cheapest will also erode productivity, which SG is witnessing ever since the floodgates to cheap foreign workers are thrown wide open.

If competitiveness is really the concern, then govt shld start lowering fixed costs such as rentals, utilities, taxes etc.

The greatest contributor to competitiveness is human resource, and it is nurtured & maximised by incentivising, definitely not by beating down wages at the lowest level.

my 2 cents...

new2mondrian
16-11-09, 11:31
a lot of interesting points raised on setting a minimum wage.

the truth is the minimum wages policy is easy to suggest, but tough to implement, and not without its social issues. for one, WHAT is the minimum wage? Taking the US example, should it be S$6 per hour (then why not $6.20, not $7)???!!! And how to factor inflation into minimum wages? And what about other employment benefits such as medical insurance and annual leave? how do they factor into minimum wages? And the same minimum wage across all industries? Meaning the cleaner has the same minimum wage as the production worker in the semi-con plant, or the hawker assistant? Then what about the linkage between wage to productivity to GDP? Then what about performance-linked pay? The slacker who sleeps on the job is guaranteed of a minimum wage? Then it will be the productive and the tax-paying cohort subsidising the unproductive (after all, the Government coffers is funded by taxes); and certain labour-intensive industries profiting at the expense of other capital-intensive ones. Is this what we all want?

A more viable long term plan for Singapore will still be enhanced business environment, business friendly policies and greater foreign direct investment flows. Government's subsidy should always be aimed at increasing productivity of its workforce, through subsidised training to raise productivity and employability, and not through minimum wages. It is through jobs creation and friendly business environment that workers have more jobs to choose from; it is through constant training and highly skilled workforce that per capita income will rise. I am a firm believer of market forces. By setting minimum wages in Singapore, it is a step backwards.

My PERSONAL 2 cents.

new2mondrian
16-11-09, 11:46
As for Government to SUBSIDISE the company in the minimum wage policy, that is almost ludicrous to suggest. It is as good as ENCOURAGING all companies to pay below minimum wages such that they can enjoy the top-up subsidy from Government.

Where is this top-up subsidy gonna come from? More taxes from you and me? We all want to start subsidising such companies and promoting such behaviour henceforth???!!!

This is one of the many issues that come with minimum wages... Not all policy implementation by developed economies is perfect. A lot of it comes with tonnes of historical and political baggage which we might not want to emulate.

august
16-11-09, 11:49
a lot of interesting points raised on setting a minimum wage.

the truth is the minimum wages policy is easy to suggest, but tough to implement, and not without its social issues. for one, WHAT is the minimum wage? Taking the US example, should it be S$6 per hour (then why not $6.20, not $7)???!!!

Is it really that hard to implement?
And since when did the present govt ever use "hard to implement" as an excuse and stop pursuing its all other objectives?
Or is it more like there is no political will to do so? (since such policies do nothing to raising GDP numbers which policy makers are appraised on and therefore is a waste of time)

Minimum wage is for the poorest & lowest paid in society, not your knowledge workers etc. It is welfare, protecting the poor, and setting a benchmark against wage exploitation. So sorry to say arguments on competitiveness etc make no sense and are red herrings.

Fact of the matter is the present govt is stuck at some ideological level not to pursue such policies. They would rather mollycoddle and "subsidise" the top 10% instead of looking out for the bottom 10% in society and squeezing everyone else in the middle.

Long live capitalism!
Greed is good! :spliff:

xebay11
16-11-09, 12:09
a lot of interesting points raised on setting a minimum wage.

the truth is the minimum wages policy is easy to suggest, but tough to implement, and not without its social issues. for one, WHAT is the minimum wage? Taking the US example, should it be S$6 per hour (then why not $6.20, not $7)???!!! And how to factor inflation into minimum wages? And what about other employment benefits such as medical insurance and annual leave? how do they factor into minimum wages? And the same minimum wage across all industries? Meaning the cleaner has the same minimum wage as the production worker in the semi-con plant, or the hawker assistant? Then what about the linkage between wage to productivity to GDP? Then what about performance-linked pay? The slacker who sleeps on the job is guaranteed of a minimum wage? Then it will be the productive and the tax-paying cohort subsidising the unproductive (after all, the Government coffers is funded by taxes); and certain labour-intensive industries profiting at the expense of other capital-intensive ones. Is this what we all want?

A more viable long term plan for Singapore will still be enhanced business environment, business friendly policies and greater foreign direct investment flows. Government's subsidy should always be aimed at increasing productivity of its workforce, through subsidised training to raise productivity and employability, and not through minimum wages. It is through jobs creation and friendly business environment that workers have more jobs to choose from; it is through constant training and highly skilled workforce that per capita income will rise. I am a firm believer of market forces. By setting minimum wages in Singapore, it is a step backwards.

My PERSONAL 2 cents.

Not having minimum wage is OK in the OLD Singapore, where the playing field was level for all, but how do you address the work force today? What is a low wage to a Singaporean, is a King's ransom to someone from a third world country, and if the market were to decide, guess who would the exploitive employer hire?

Highly skilled workforce? where are the jobs to support them? The latest strategy by the Govt to boost the economy is the opening of the two IRs, where are the highly skilled jobs to go with that? Yeah sure I can foresee many PHD and post grad Phils vying for those jobs.

Not having a minimum wage and paying the ppl sweatshop labour wages and sweat shop conditions is several steps backwards.

gfoo
16-11-09, 12:12
5 years ago, a singaporean was filling up my tank at the petrol kiosk
4 years ago, a singaporean retiree was doing that
3 years ago, a malaysian
2 years ago, an indian national or bangla
1 year ago, a male PRC
yesterday, a female PRC - one of those peidu mamas

same story in the food courts, etc etc

foreign talent meh? dun take much brains to operate a petrol pump and wipe my windscreen.

xebay11
16-11-09, 12:28
Having a minimum wage is good, why?

It is a bitter pill to take and is really a bite the bullet measure, I was an employer before, sure it was hard in those days to depend on Singaporeans with their tough attitudes and 'high wages' but this ensured that only the best businesses who could make the best profits to be able to sustain and pay the high wages to survive, and this would go inline with having an educated workforce and create value for the nation.

The competitiveness was automatically pushed onto the entrepreneurs to survive, such measures would encourage the best and brightest brains in Singapore to go into high technology, high value added businesses to take on global competitiveness. However, some smart scholars who have never been in business before, decided that it is the least educated, most unfortunate, lowly wage earner group who should be the ones to shoulder the burden of global competitiveness and without any protection where would the poor have to defend themselves?

Entrepreneurs take the easy way out and simply choose to exploit workers......how is Singapore to progress?

GGB
16-11-09, 14:36
Contributing factors to being rich:
1. Inheritance
2. Knowledge-based
3. Network-based
4. Emotional-based
5. Hardwork + opportunities

Contributing factors to being poor:
1. Laziness
2. Unforuntate cumulative series of events, such as:
a. poor-health - suck away your productive time & $
b. addicted to vices (eg. gambling, drug-abuse) - suck away your productive time & $

What would I do?
1. When young => study hard (hardwork)
2. When work => work hard (hardwork)
3. When have little money => invest hard (hardwork)
4. When fall => learnt precious lesson and start over again (hardwork)
5. When have more money => contribute back to society (hardwork)

My views on
1. basic education - Agree (existing policy is fair)
2. basic healthcare - Agree (must be careful not to promote wastage)
3. basic housing - Agree (must stay with market fundamentals)
4. basic subsidy for less-fortunate fellow citizens - Agree (we are humans with feelings afterall)

5. increasing GST - Disagree with the need at the moment. Any increase must be jusified with reasons why the current level is not enough.

My personal views above stress on hard work be it study, work or play :)
(hope i don't get misunderstood for contribution my humble points of view)

xebay11
16-11-09, 14:45
Ha Ha, I feel that the richer and more important you are, the less you work, ever notice that in big companies, if you actually have to work, it means you are low ranking. Bosses just talk.

And how to be the boss? In many instances, it is good looks, luck, inheritance and social networking, or any of the four, or combination.....seldom through working hard. :D

jlrx
16-11-09, 16:49
Ha Ha, I feel that the richer and more important you are, the less you work, ever notice that in big companies, if you actually have to work, it means you are low ranking. Bosses just talk.

And how to be the boss? In many instances, it is good looks, luck, inheritance and social networking, or any of the four, or combination.....seldom through working hard. :D

xebay11 always have words of wisdom.


The Straits Times

Nov 16, 2009

Secret of doing less work: Learn from bosses


NEW YORK: Never mind the recession.

Workers can still find ways to do less and get away with it, says the author of a tongue-in-cheek look at the workplace, How To Relax Without Getting The Axe.

The secret is learning and adapting the tricks of powerful, successful people, said Mr Stanley Bing, whose book - subtitled A Survival Guide To The New Workplace - comes out tomorrow.

'It's a perilous workplace environment but, that said, it should be possible to learn from the way that successful people manage their time and manage their careers,' he told Reuters in an interview.

'It is a handbook for people who haven't yet attained what they would consider powerful status, to be able to use some of the same tricks that their bosses do and make it work.'

Mr Bing is actually a pseudonym for Mr Gil Schwartz, who is executive vice-president of corporate communications for CBS. He began using the monicker Mr Stanley Bing years ago when he was writing a column for Esquire magazine.

The book is loaded with strategic tips such as how to delegate, which he says, is 'at the heart of all power'; how to identify a remote problem to justify an expense-paid business trip; and how to create the illusion of an office door for privacy, even in an open workplace of cubicles.

Being absent from the workplace helps create the sense of being too important to be around and available, he said.

'A lot of people don't respect people they can reach too easily,' Mr Bing said. 'You're immediately aggrandised by the fact that you are essentially a virtual person.'

Also critical is having an assistant or failing that, appropriating someone else's assistant.

'You use other people. This is what successful people do in all business, in all walks of life,' Mr Bing said. The tricks are timeless ways for anyone to gain control over their job, their time and their life, he said.

REUTERS

gfoo
16-11-09, 17:37
Ha Ha, I feel that the richer and more important you are, the less you work, ever notice that in big companies, if you actually have to work, it means you are low ranking. Bosses just talk.

And how to be the boss? In many instances, it is good looks, luck, inheritance and social networking, or any of the four, or combination.....seldom through working hard. :D

bosses work too lor, sometimes harder

xebay11
16-11-09, 18:00
bosses work too lor, sometimes harder

Sure but these are minority, especially in large MNC environments.

jlrx
16-11-09, 21:26
The most fundamental problem behind this rich-poor divide is the oversupply of humans.

The world population is increasing exponentially, totally without regard as to whether so many humans are needed in the first place.

http://newsgarden.org/chatters/homepages/alllie/images/worldpopgr.gif

The Third World, especially, is producing so many humans with low manual skills, that there is no way for wages to go but down.

If population growth were to follow some simple economic theory on supply and demand, like other factors of production, it should have stopped growing a long time ago.

What Obama doesn't realise (or pretends not to realise) is that his "jobless recovery" is simply a manifestation of a bigger problem - the oversupply of humans.

So if Obama insists on printing more and more money until he solves the US's "jobless recovery" problem, then I foresee there will be no end to his "money printing" programme.

So what is the best thing to do?


http://www.reuters.com/resources/images/logo_reuters_media_us.gif
Recovery to continue: Singapore GIC
Reuters
Singapore
Saturday, 14 November 2009, 4.10 pm

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Dr Tony Tan, GIC Deputy Chariman and Executive Director -- Photo: Reuters

Sovereign wealth fund the Government of Singapore Investment Corp ...

GIC, estimated to be the world's fourth largest wealth fund with assets in excess of $200 billion, has been putting more money in alternative investments such as real estate

Regulators
16-11-09, 23:18
in singapore not much of a divide to talk about with out tiny population. look at the united states and you will know what the divide is. the wealth of the states is in the hands of the top 2 percent who are powerful enought to inflate or deflate the country's gdp.

mogyi
17-11-09, 09:06
Quote:
Originally Posted by xebay11
Ha Ha, I feel that the richer and more important you are, the less you work, ever notice that in big companies, if you actually have to work, it means you are low ranking. Bosses just talk.

And how to be the boss? In many instances, it is good looks, luck, inheritance and social networking, or any of the four, or combination.....seldom through working hard. :D


bosses work too lor, sometimes harder

Yes, it's true bosses sit back and watch the tide goes by and grass grow taller... but what were they doing before they reach there? and when biz crashes who get the biggest hit?

august
17-11-09, 10:28
in singapore not much of a divide to talk about with out tiny population. look at the united states and you will know what the divide is. the wealth of the states is in the hands of the top 2 percent who are powerful enought to inflate or deflate the country's gdp.

divide has nothing to do with big or small population leh...

SG's income gap is one of the highest, if not the highest for developed nations.

jlrx
17-11-09, 23:06
divide has nothing to do with big or small population leh...

SG's income gap is one of the highest, if not the highest for developed nations.

Below is the GINI coefficient ranking for various countries (higher GINI coefficient, higher income gap).

Country with available GINI data

Namibia (74.3)
Lesotho
Sierra Leone
Central African Republic
Botswana
Bolivia
Haiti
Colombia
Paraguay
South Africa
Brazil
Panama
Guatemala
Chile
Honduras
Ecuador
El Salvador
Peru
Dominican Republic
Argentina
Papua New Guinea
Zambia
Niger
Swaziland
The Gambia
Zimbabwe
Costa Rica
Malaysia
Venezuela
Madagascar
Mozambique
Nepal
Guinea-Bissau
People's Republic of China (46.9)
Rwanda
Mexico
Uganda
Jamaica
Uruguay
Cameroon
Côte d'Ivoire
Philippines
Nigeria
Turkey
Hong Kong (43.4)
Nicaragua
Iran
Kenya
Singapore (42.5)
Burundi
Thailand
Cambodia
Senegal
Ghana
Turkmenistan
United States
Georgia
Sri Lanka
Mali
Russia
Tunisia
Burkina Faso
Morocco
Israel
Macedonia
Malawi
Mauritania
Trinidad and Tobago
Jordan
Guinea
Portugal
Latvia
India
Uzbekistan
Azerbaijan
Benin
New Zealand
Italy
Lithuania
United Kingdom
Estonia
Algeria
Australia
Spain
Laos
Tanzania
Poland
Egypt
Vietnam
Greece
Indonesia
Ireland
Kazakhstan
Armenia
Switzerland
Bangladesh
Yemen
Moldova
Belgium
Mongolia
France
Canada
Tajikistan
South Korea
Albania
Romania
Netherlands
Pakistan
Kyrgyzstan
Ethiopia
Belarus
Bulgaria
Austria
Croatia
Slovenia
Germany
Ukraine
Finland
Hungary
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Norway
Slovakia
Czech Republic
Sweden
Japan
Denmark (24.7)

Regulators
17-11-09, 23:15
numbers determine the significance n impact of that divide. The rich n poor divide in the states is significant to world economics due to the large numbers that affects world consumerism n trade etc. The divide in singapore creates no dent or ripple in world economics that is the dif
divide has nothing to do with big or small population leh...

SG's income gap is one of the highest, if not the highest for developed nations.

fourth
18-11-09, 06:24
Helping the poor (those that cannot manage day to day living) is okay.

But if helping the not-so-rich (those that cannot own mature estate or private property) become richer, then please don't do it.

teddybear
18-11-09, 10:36
The bigger the the rich-poor divide, the bigger the difference in property prices between surburbs (read OCR) and urban areas (read CCR (but not the part of CCR far away from city locations - if you look at the map you will know what I mean)). If the difference in prices has not happened because of rapid increase in OCR prices, it will happen sooner or later (read CCR will play catch-ups - which seems to be happening now as reported in the news).


Helping the poor (those that cannot manage day to day living) is okay.

But if helping the not-so-rich (those that cannot own mature estate or private property) become richer, then please don't do it.

fourth
18-11-09, 11:58
The bigger the the rich-poor divide, the bigger the difference in property prices between surburbs (read OCR) and urban areas (read CCR (but not the part of CCR far away from city locations - if you look at the map you will know what I mean)). If the difference in prices has not happened because of rapid increase in OCR prices, it will happen sooner or later (read CCR will play catch-ups - which seems to be happening now as reported in the news).

Does not matter in my opinion. Let market forces decide. Nothing is black and white in life. You read it right, you make $. If not, you lose. If scared, don't go in. I am just against using Public money on people who don't need it. The rich-poor divide here is insignificant compared to other countries.

But if someone tries to provide housing ownership to people who cannot afford it (like subprime), then it is heading down.

Also, if the Gov interfere too much so that there is no more free market (which is starting to look that way), then property is going down too. Why? No foreigner investors will want to come in.

Let's face it. How can there be a country that everyone wants to come in..... be so cheap to stay in?