with regard to the relocation of hdb office, i think part of the reason could be due to the fact that toa payoh is more centrally located and more accessible
Originally Posted by teddybear
with regard to the relocation of hdb office, i think part of the reason could be due to the fact that toa payoh is more centrally located and more accessible
Originally Posted by teddybear
A while ago, people were talking about D1 being the new prime, replacing the traditional prime D9,D10,D11.
What happened? prices for D1 has remained stagnant, including TS and MBR. average price 2xxx. For D9,D10,D11, price has maintained 3xxx to 4xxx.
comparing Robinson Suites 2600++, this is much less than Scotts Square, 3500++.
My point is government can build at other places, but the prime of primes is still Orchard for the simple reason is that price of property is sticky.
If property at Jurong increase to 2000psf, do you think Orchard will remain stagnant at 3xxx?
We can argue about % increase is more in Jurong, etc, but remember the following constraints and assumptions:
1) affordability 30-35%
2) salary relatively stagnant compare to property price increase
3) LTV 70-80%
4) mortgage tenure max 35-40 years.
How many HDB upgraders can afford a Jurong unit 1000sf @ 2000psf = $2million?
The perception used to be stronger in the past. But now times have changed...stay in orchard area? Ok loh. Last time it was OMFG you stay in Orchard?? Now is, not bad hor, you stay in orchard. Ur apartment MM or studio?Originally Posted by devilplate
The best of condos in OCR can beat the worst condos in CCR, in quantum and psf.
Like the newest OCR beating a 30year old LH in CCR for example, International Plaza.
Bukit Merah not consider centrally located compared to Toa Payoh? When I was young, Bukit Merah is considered more atas area compared to Toa Payoh. If I draw a direct line from Ochard ION, BM central is about 3km from ION while TP central is about close to 4km from ION! That has changed now? What won't change when the effort is spearheaded by the Govt? Their only constant is "Change". Good for them but not good for us!
Originally Posted by Regulators
toa payoh accessible by PIE and CTE and these two expressways con link most parts of singapore to HDB hub. Bt Merah on has AYE.
Originally Posted by teddybear
Personally, i find the shopping experience in the largest shopping mall the in North-East, NEX, incomparable to Takashimaya, Wisma, Plaza Singapura, Raffles City, etc. somehow different...Originally Posted by Regulators
Actually.. you don't have to step out of your house. The youngers/gangsters will climb into your house instead. They also very customer-service one.. They won't let the customer walk too far since the gangsters are taking the money and expensive items.Originally Posted by teddybear
These shop owners - business poorer blame the pedestrian crossing?
I have very bad experience with these pedestrians at that traffic road junction before LTA removed that traffic lights - These people are crossing the road even when the traffic light is RED man and because there are so many of them that you don't even dare to drive through them! I, like many drivers, give 3x3 cheers to LTA for removing that traffic light and making the traffic so smooth at that junction there now! Ask these retailers to go fly kite for wanting to restore that traffic light!
Ask themselves to build a overhead bridge using money from their own pocket lah! The roads are built using our road taxes money, not from their own pocket! How can they expect LTA to build the overhead bridge for them using our road tax money?
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Dec 11, 2010
ORCHARD ROAD RETAILERS
Push for Orchard crossing
They say underground linkway at Ion Orchard has badly affected business
By Cheryl Lim
Pedestrians crossing at the junction of Scotts Road and Paterson Road. -- ST PHOTO: CHEW SENG KIM
RETAILERS in Singapore's most famous shopping district are lobbying the Government to reinstate a street-level crossing, claiming that its removal has hurt business.
The once familiar pedestrian crossing is at the junction of Orchard and Paterson roads, between the Ion Orchard and Wheelock Place shopping malls.
Read the full story in The Sunday Times.
I wouldn't be surprised if takashimaya sets up a branch store at jurong lake, just like Icetan set up a store at vivocity.Originally Posted by teddybear
botanic garden? I believe that chinese garden is actually better in many aspects. the bonzai trees at chinese garden are specular.
istana, I will leave this issue untouched.
Orchard ION? what does it look like without the flood? I have seen it only in photos taken during the flood. haha, you know my drift.
by the way, I used to wonder why dinosaurs went extinct. Now I know. they refused to change, just like some of the old timers in this forum. they cannot see the trees for the forest. Singapore has changed, and the days that orchard road reins supreme are numbered. owners of ardmore park will be the biggest losers.
Last edited by stalingrad; 15-12-10 at 15:27.
Ops, Takashimaya. Mmm, rather I am referring to "Ngee Ann City" shopping mall of which Takashimaya is housed. Yes, please ask Ngee Ann Kongsi to build another "Ngee Ann City" at Jurong Lake. that will help to reduce those "window shoppers" current around crowding the place.
Orchard ION got flooding inside? Please don't anyhow spread rumours!
Originally Posted by stalingrad
isn't flooding outside enough for you. why are you such gluttons for punishment?Originally Posted by teddybear
what is so big deal about ngee ann city? is it as grand as umpire state building. why do you have such emotional attachment to it?
You brain-dead already is it? Why don't you ask why so many people from all over Singapore want to crowd at Ngee Ann City when they don't even live anywhere close by? Then you will find out the real reason. There are already so many shopping malls in their OCR suburbs beside or near their house according to you but they just like to crowd at Ngee Ann City! Why why why? Either so many of them got brain problem (based on your opinion) or your brain got problem? Why don't you all do a voting? (You lose for sure!)
Originally Posted by stalingrad
Wonder if high end tourists would mind staying in Sentosa hotels, MB, or upclass hotels in downtown area to switch to suburb branch since Taka also have branch in AMK, Bishan Jurong..maybe LV will also open boutiques there...miggled with heartlanders...and still say Singapore is shopping paradise...?
Not taking sides here but I believe many like myself not that big fans of botanic or orchard...once in a long while ok but not every other day.Originally Posted by stalingrad
Those are tourist attractions (like little india or chinatown) and I wouldn't want to stay in a touristy area. Matter of choice, not budget.
Private units sales up in Nov
Posted: 15 December 2010 1324 hrs
SINGAPORE:
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The data, released every month, showed sales outside the prime central region (ORC) led with 1,229 units sold, followed by rest of central region (RCR) at 467 units, and core central region (CCR) at just 213 units.
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The most expensive residential unit, priced at S$4,358 per square foot, was sold at Scotts Square, a Wheelock Properties' project on Scotts Road.
The cheapest unit was sold at Waterview, a Sim Lian project at Tampines Avenue, for S$501 per square foot.
-CNA/wk
Does this rest the case of CCR versus OCR?
errr.. the question is which will increase in value more over the next year (% wise), not which is more expensive or cheaper....Originally Posted by hopeful
Had a ran at botantic gardens over the wkend. Very nice garden Enjoy a Sunday tea @ PS cafe also quiet shiok. Plan to do a breakfast Pinic this Sat morning @ Botantic Garden
I must say i am surprised! Poor Zaha...to see your child disfigured and now improperly dressed...Originally Posted by stalingrad
The Ring. Ms Sadako.Originally Posted by stalingrad
Funny ! See Well cannot sleep! Kudos to the director.
Teddy do u happen to own a unit at tulip garden? Your passion abt CCR is like my cousin-property guru(IMHO)
Good points teddy!
This forum is infested with a lot of birdtalk people who twist facts according to their own vested interest instead of sound and logical reasonings.
Stay in hdb rental flats and no need to argue and self justify here till veins pop out of your neck.
Originally Posted by teddybear
Originally Posted by teddybear
everyone goes thru a phase in life ...
i believe most of the crowd we see in orchard , ngee ann city etc are tourists and YOUNGER people ..
when i was in my teen... i hang out in orchard too ...
i personally dont like crowd ...
cannot imagine myself living at ION .... after dinner ..come downstairs for a STROLL ..have to fight the crowd .. more tiring than relaxing ...
No worry. If you stay yourself in L1 and above (not basement levels for the more general shoppers), very few crowd to squeeze with you because not many can afford the stuffs in these levels. See already they more heartache and felt like jumping from the top of Pinnacle thinking "why people can afford but I can't! "!
Originally Posted by proud owner
Is Ion sold out? I still see many units having empty balconies.Originally Posted by proud owner
ha ha... In Ion, rich people above ground. poor people under ground....Originally Posted by teddybear
I already said many times, these rich people buy to leave them empty and use as weekend homes for themselves and their families. Empty balconies has been a common sight for last 13 years in many CCR properties since 1997. What is new here?
Originally Posted by hyenergix
empty balconies for weekend homes? that sounds illogical. We have used our second condo as weekend home for one year. And it is a mess now. and the balcony's plants are taller than me.Originally Posted by teddybear
the more plausible reason that these CCR condos' balconies are bare is because the owners are stuck, not willing to sell at prices below what they paid for them.
very funny to buy orchard area for wkend home....sentosa better wat....or batam...cheaper...haha
This shows you ignorance about the lure of condos in Orchard for these foreigners. This had and still has been happening in Singapore for past 13 years regarding of property boom or property recession. What is funny to you is not funny to these owners.
Originally Posted by devilplate