condo vs landed property choice

[teddybear]

Cannot afford, buy 1 OCR, can afford can buy 2 OCR, can afford more buy 3 OCR, After that can afford even more buy CCR?
As always, all my friends who made it in life move from OCR to CCR. (stll haven't come any Friend who made it in life and shift from CCR to OCR).

Cannot afford, buy 1 OCR, can afford can buy 2 OCR?

[westman]

Cannot afford, buy 1 OCR, can afford can buy 2 OCR, can afford more buy 3 OCR, After that can afford even more buy CCR?
As always, all my friends who made it in life move from OCR to CCR. (stll haven't come any Friend who made it in life and shift from CCR to OCR).

Maybe your friends are all either too old ( children all grown up) or rich at young (Yet to have kids).

CCR has limited option in good schools and many late 30 to mid 40 often switch from CCR to RCR/OCR for children sake.

[ocoloco79]

Cannot afford, buy 1 OCR, can afford can buy 2 OCR, can afford more buy 3 OCR, After that can afford even more buy CCR?
As always, all my friends who made it in life move from OCR to CCR. (stll haven't come any Friend who made it in life and shift from CCR to OCR).

Good idea, but I doubt I will ever reach 3 OCR stage lol...

[blackfire]

Bigger extended families prefer landed as it offers more rooms and bigger living area. Older folks also prefer landed with no threat of enbloc, like to have 3 generations under one roof, can do gardening, more privacy, a higher wealth status and wealth preservation, can hold gatherings and parties with friends and relatives at home and can sing karaoke to their heart content. However, all these are considered old school to the younger ones.

[ocoloco79]

Can I say that cluster homes will be the best of both worlds? Got facilities, security, maintenance same as condo?

[Geylang OKT]

Can I say that cluster homes will be the best of both worlds? Got facilities, security, maintenance same as condo?

strata titled lah

[westman]

Can anyone share how much it costs to stay landed?

Understand that subscription to cable services (tv or broadband) costs a lot wor for landed. Beside this, what other recurring costs that landed owners has to pay and by how much?

[teddybear]

Nanyang Primary, SCGS Primary, ACS Primary, ACS Junior, SJI Junior, Raffles Girls Primary (6 of the top 20 primary schools (of which 3 are also top 10 primary schools by results)) within a 2km distance is "limited option in good schools" in CCR?

What other "good schools" options do you need?
You want better I am afraid there aren't any more better in Singapore if you think all the above listed are not good enough.

Maybe your friends are all either too old ( children all grown up) or rich at young (Yet to have kids).

CCR has limited option in good schools and many late 30 to mid 40 often switch from CCR to RCR/OCR for children sake.

[westman]

Nanyang Primary, SCGS Primary, ACS Primary, ACS Junior, SJI Junior, Raffles Girls Primary (6 of the top 20 primary schools (of which 3 are also top 10 primary schools by results)) within a 2km distance is "limited option in good schools" in CCR?

What other "good schools" options do you need?
You want better I am afraid there aren't any more better in Singapore if you think all the above listed are not good enough.

Tot these areas are RCR or near boundary of CCR/RCR?

[focus]

Can I say that cluster homes will be the best of both worlds? Got facilities, security, maintenance same as condo?

If the cluster units are not facing each other and in close proximity. It would be the best of both world... But still people who want scenery or high floor unblocked will not choose landed.

Like FJ Benjamin ... Read in report he is staying in penthouse in orchard after selling his holland landed.

Ang Kong Hua, GIC's biggie, staying in penthouse in tanjong rhu area.

So countless rich people who are rich enough to buy bungalow type of landed also sometimes choose condos, though they most probbably will be staying in the big spacious penthouse type of >3000sqft.

[rattydrama]

Bigger extended families prefer landed as it offers more rooms and bigger living area. Older folks also prefer landed with no threat of enbloc, like to have 3 generations under one roof, can do gardening, more privacy, a higher wealth status and wealth preservation, can hold gatherings and parties with friends and relatives at home and can sing karaoke to their heart content. However, all these are considered old school to the younger ones.

I can be a party goer but not a host. I am a cleanliness feak!

[KarenK]

Can afford landed but wife says to landed cos she is afraid of insects, snakes and any small creatures. She don't even consider ground units in condo or cluster house too citing same reasons too....

exactly. the ground floor units at my parents' place has snakes, scorpions, rats and other creepy crawlies coming in....basically u really won't know what is under your blanket when u crawl into bed each nite......

[teddybear]

All these are in D10 & D11!
Since when Bukit Timah/Newton/Novena are RCR or near boundary of CCR/RCR?

Tot these areas are RCR or near boundary of CCR/RCR?

[westman]

All these are in D10 & D11!
Since when Bukit Timah/Newton/Novena are RCR or near boundary of CCR/RCR?

Me OCR and now learning what is CCR & RCR mah...
Thanks for sharing...

[land118]

exactly. the ground floor units at my parents' place has snakes, scorpions, rats and other creepy crawlies coming in....basically u really won't know what is under your blanket when u crawl into bed each nite......

Your parents' unit is ground floor condo? sound like it...if so jilat, then MC not doing it's job, pest control not working....or condo beside/near nature reserve or SAF training areas

[mantrix]

Your parents' unit is ground floor condo? sound like it...if so jilat, then MC not doing it's job, pest control not working....or condo beside/near nature reserve or SAF training areas

Agreed - these problems should not exist in the first place unless the condo is really old and lacking sinking funds hence not enough $ to ensure frequent fumigation...

If not condo but landed, then yes, these problems are more likely to occur...

[KarenK]

Your parents' unit is ground floor condo? sound like it...if so jilat, then MC not doing it's job, pest control not working....or condo beside/near nature reserve or SAF training areas

they took the upper floor units. heng ah.....
all these horror stories we heard from the neighbours on the ground floor.

[DC33_2008]

They have gardener and ridpest to take care of them. Can park few cars in it and do not have to compete in condos for 3rd car.

Yup. They would always be very busy clearing the garden foilage, getting rid of insects and pests, or negotiating with other owners over parking space

[DC33_2008]

$2400 for the first two years after activating it. Pay normal subscription thereafter. It was 12 years ago.

Can anyone share how much it costs to stay landed?

Understand that subscription to cable services (tv or broadband) costs a lot wor for landed. Beside this, what other recurring costs that landed owners has to pay and by how much?

[land118]

$2400 for the first two years after activating it. Pay normal subscription thereafter. It was 12 years ago.

If I am not wrong, my inlaws paid 100+ per mth for 2 yr and they give many channels free. Don't have to pay lump sum $2400. Can't remember whether it was promo package or nt

[DC33_2008]

It is the same: $2400 over two years by installment.

If I am not wrong, my inlaws paid 100+ per mth for 2 yr and they give many channels free. Don't have to pay lump sum $2400. Can't remember whether it was promo package or nt

[wind30]

most landed have not much view to offer and are too close to the road. Also have to worry about maintenance of leaky roofs etc and no facilities to enjoy. Not forgetting that the property tax for landed is also very high and can't sell to foreigners. This is why many just go for condo.

.... errr.... why is landed too close to the road? I though condos are close to the road as they are usually built along the main roads.

The reason why I chose landed is because I like it quiet. I HATED my upstairs neighbour when I stayed in my previous place. Super noisy....

I then vowed NEVER to stay in an apartment UNLESS it is a penthouse/top floor unit.

I used the swimming pool ONCE for the FIVE years I stayed in my previous place. Tennis court = 0 times. Barbecue = 0 times. So I guess I won't miss the facilities much.

My new place (small inter terrace) don't have much creepy crawlies as it is a 14 year old development. I think if the landed is REALLY old and you have terrible maintained neighbours, then pests could be an issue. The developement was launched in 1996 so 90% of the owners here bought at a very expensive price so they are house proud.

Since my move from condo to landed, almost everything is a plus.

1) we actually have space to hang lots of clothes to dry. We were hanging our baby clothes in the LIVING ROOM to dry last time....
2) I have a dedicated room (6m by 4m) for a home theatre.
3) we have a car porch and there is plenty of parking near my place (very rare for landed)
4) we have a dedicated study, TV room, etc.
5) There is no upstairs neighbours.

ultimately, it all boils down to whether you value SPACE more, or the facilities the condo provide.

[greenhorn]

different strokes for different folks. while some like to go bag packing or take tour packages for their holidays abroad, some prefer club med. All are seeking holidays but you can see the difference in lifestyle preference and needs/wants. Same can be said for the cars one drives... Life is complex and so are human needs & aspirations.

[Blue]

Landed for those who want to experience landed as they have yet to experience landed.

After experiencing landed, they wake up, they want to experience cluster housing.

After experiencing clustr housing, they wake up, they want to experience condo.

After experiencing condo, they wake up, they want to experience hdb.

After experiencing hdb, they wake up , they want to experience JB and batam.

After experiencing JB and batam, they give up, they want to experience elsewhere.

Wake up.....

They wake up finally and realise they will end up in a coffin!

[Regulators]

then you must have good neighbours. I know of some inter-terrace more terok than condo with neighbours beside blasting music and dogs barking away like no end. Sometimes even semi-D can't avoid noisy neighbours unless you live in a GCB. K Shanmugum's GCB in 7 Astrid Hill is very close to his neighbour in 8 Astrid Hill, can literally stick a pole across and climb from one house to another.

.... errr.... why is landed too close to the road? I though condos are close to the road as they are usually built along the main roads.

The reason why I chose landed is because I like it quiet. I HATED my upstairs neighbour when I stayed in my previous place. Super noisy....

I then vowed NEVER to stay in an apartment UNLESS it is a penthouse/top floor unit.

I used the swimming pool ONCE for the FIVE years I stayed in my previous place. Tennis court = 0 times. Barbecue = 0 times. So I guess I won't miss the facilities much.

My new place (small inter terrace) don't have much creepy crawlies as it is a 14 year old development. I think if the landed is REALLY old and you have terrible maintained neighbours, then pests could be an issue. The developement was launched in 1996 so 90% of the owners here bought at a very expensive price so they are house proud.

Since my move from condo to landed, almost everything is a plus.

1) we actually have space to hang lots of clothes to dry. We were hanging our baby clothes in the LIVING ROOM to dry last time....
2) I have a dedicated room (6m by 4m) for a home theatre.
3) we have a car porch and there is plenty of parking near my place (very rare for landed)
4) we have a dedicated study, TV room, etc.
5) There is no upstairs neighbours.

ultimately, it all boils down to whether you value SPACE more, or the facilities the condo provide.

[relaxcatdog]

Years ago, I also pondered on this issue on whether to get a landed property or apartment. I eventually chose an apartment. Like what fellow forumers mentioned here, it can be very expensive maintaining a landed property. Of course, there are benefits that come with it like having your own garden etc. But one main reason why I did not choose landed property is that I foresee the problem of climbing up the stairs when I am old or when I am sick. I used to live in a HDB maisonette and had seen my late mother having difficulty climbing the stairs in her old age. The first generation HDB maisonettes only have toilets on the upper floor, so you can imagine climbing up the stairs ever so often. There were times when we will get whoever is upstairs to throw things down because we were just too lazy to climb up the stairs. Some of the landed properties have 3 storeys. I can't imagine myself climbing all the way up to the third storey. No doubt it is good exercise but it is a problem when one is sick or old. Nevertheless, I do like the privacy one gets when the rooms are upstairs. I guess it really depends on what you want when deciding on a property.

[Geylang OKT]

Years ago, I also pondered on this issue on whether to get a landed property or apartment. I eventually chose an apartment. Like what fellow forumers mentioned here, it can be very expensive maintaining a landed property. Of course, there are benefits that come with it like having your own garden etc. But one main reason why I did not choose landed property is that I foresee the problem of climbing up the stairs when I am old or when I am sick. I used to live in a HDB maisonette and had seen my late mother having difficulty climbing the stairs in her old age. The first generation HDB maisonettes only have toilets on the upper floor, so you can imagine climbing up the stairs ever so often. There were times when we will get whoever is upstairs to throw things down because we were just too lazy to climb up the stairs. Some of the landed properties have 3 storeys. I can't imagine myself climbing all the way up to the third storey. No doubt it is good exercise but it is a problem when one is sick or old. Nevertheless, I do like the privacy one gets when the rooms are upstairs. I guess it really depends on what you want when deciding on a property.

maybe can install lifts

[wind30]

Years ago, I also pondered on this issue on whether to get a landed property or apartment. I eventually chose an apartment. Like what fellow forumers mentioned here, it can be very expensive maintaining a landed property. Of course, there are benefits that come with it like having your own garden etc. But one main reason why I did not choose landed property is that I foresee the problem of climbing up the stairs when I am old or when I am sick. I used to live in a HDB maisonette and had seen my late mother having difficulty climbing the stairs in her old age. The first generation HDB maisonettes only have toilets on the upper floor, so you can imagine climbing up the stairs ever so often. There were times when we will get whoever is upstairs to throw things down because we were just too lazy to climb up the stairs. Some of the landed properties have 3 storeys. I can't imagine myself climbing all the way up to the third storey. No doubt it is good exercise but it is a problem when one is sick or old. Nevertheless, I do like the privacy one gets when the rooms are upstairs. I guess it really depends on what you want when deciding on a property.

Actually most landed has a bedroom with attached toilet at the ground floor for granparents.

I moved in to my place for 1 year and still did not pay a single cent on maintenance probably because the place is newly renovated.

Not much pests, yet. The smaller EC which I stayed has $2xx/month maintenance fee. That is around $3k/year. If I adjust it to match the landed value, the maintenance for a similar condo is at least $4k/year?

I don't think I will spend $4k/year on maintenance.

[land118]

maybe can install lifts

If I am not wrong, BCA requirement, if 4 th sty and above, can install lift, but troublesome, space wasted for lift shaft, motor room ,yearly professional engineer certification of lift and lift maintenance. For own use, better to exercise, climb the stairs and stay fit and healthy if u are able, save the money....

[Regulators]

If don't want to climb stairs, can get a single storey landed, problem solved

Years ago, I also pondered on this issue on whether to get a landed property or apartment. I eventually chose an apartment. Like what fellow forumers mentioned here, it can be very expensive maintaining a landed property. Of course, there are benefits that come with it like having your own garden etc. But one main reason why I did not choose landed property is that I foresee the problem of climbing up the stairs when I am old or when I am sick. I used to live in a HDB maisonette and had seen my late mother having difficulty climbing the stairs in her old age. The first generation HDB maisonettes only have toilets on the upper floor, so you can imagine climbing up the stairs ever so often. There were times when we will get whoever is upstairs to throw things down because we were just too lazy to climb up the stairs. Some of the landed properties have 3 storeys. I can't imagine myself climbing all the way up to the third storey. No doubt it is good exercise but it is a problem when one is sick or old. Nevertheless, I do like the privacy one gets when the rooms are upstairs. I guess it really depends on what you want when deciding on a property.