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    Mar 2, 2011
    IRELAND
    The Property Bubble
    The Irish government was crushed at the polls last week, punished by voters for a housing bubble that bankrupted the country. A look at what led to the collapse in Ireland and efforts by governments elsewhere to avert similar trouble
    By Jonathan Eyal, Europe Correspondent

    Irish PM Brian Cowen's ruling Fianna Fail lost a stunning 57 seats in the general election last week, the biggest drubbing in its history. It now holds just 20 seats in Parliament. -- PHOTO: AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE

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    Classic tale of greed & govt bungling

    LONDON: On the road leading from Ireland's main airport to Dublin, the country's capital, a huge piece of graffiti scrawled on a wall in red and white letters carries a stark message: 'Greed is the Knife & the Scars Run Deep.'

    This is the latest form of protest by ordinary Irishmen against a gigantic property bubble that has literally bankrupted their country.

    At last week's general election, the Irish meted out heavy punishment on their leaders: The Fianna Fail, which has ruled the country for three out of every four years since the 1930s, suffered the biggest drubbing in its history. It lost a stunning 57 seats, with most of its ministers booted out, and now holds just 20 seats in Parliament.

    Ireland now has a new coalition government, which has pledged to renegotiate its €85 billion (S$149 billion) bailout by the European Union and International Monetary Fund, in the hope of reducing the debt burden. But it will not be easy, with the European Commission insisting last week that the new government stick to the promises made. And whatever happens, it will take more than a decade for the Irish to crawl out of their current misery.

    As a result of the popping of a stupendous housing bubble, the average Irish family now faces an estimated &pound3,900 (S$8,000) a year in extra taxes. Public services will be slashed and 90,000 jobs lost in a country where unemployment is already running at a steep 14 per cent. And even with all this, the cost of servicing interest payments on Irish bank debt will be eating up 85 per cent of people's income taxes by next year.

    The collapse, as it were, of Ireland's house of cards is a classic tale of greed and government mismanagement resulting in a national tragedy.

    The Fianna Fail government had in recent years given Irish banks free rein to lend recklessly to property developers. When property prices collapsed, it then offered an unconditional guarantee to cover all the banks' losses, despite the fact that, as the authorities subsequently admitted, they had no idea how much money this entailed.

    It soon found out: the total bill amounted to a whopping 32 per cent of Ireland's gross domestic product, a figure seldom encountered by economists before. And to make matters worse, tax revenues also collapsed.

    In effect, Ireland is 'like a patient bleeding from two gunshot wounds', says Dublin University economics professor Morgan Kelly.

    By November last year, Ireland had no choice but to borrow from the EU and IMF.

    The rise and fall of the 'Celtic Tiger' was fairly rapid. For centuries, the Irish survived as a small island nation, frequently occupied by the British and kept in perpetual poverty. Their biggest export was their own people, who migrated by the millions, particularly to the United States.

    Matters began to change when Ireland entered the European Union, and particularly from the late 1980s when its economy began to grow by a yearly average of 10 per cent. That boom was the outcome of its real advantages, which included a youthful, English-speaking and highly educated population, low taxes, and a predictable legal environment. Foreign companies increasingly used the country as their European entry point.

    But as Ireland's wealth fast approached the European average, annual growth rates began to fall, a normal phenomenon in mature economies. However, its politicians, who staked their reputations on double-digit growth, refused to accept this decline. So they encouraged a property bubble instead.

    Financial bubbles usually start as a result of real economic facts. It was true that Ireland needed more houses, as its young people left their parents' homes earlier and married later in life. It was also true that, as Ireland's prosperity attracted new immigrants, the demand on housing increased even more.

    But as it is often the case with bubbles, they acquire their own momentum and assume grotesque proportions. In the early 1990s, only 5 per cent of Ireland's national income came from house building. By 2006, however, a full 21 per cent of the national economy was dependent on construction. Property became Ireland's 'gold rush'.

    Property prices shot up by 270 per cent during the last decade, but there were still plenty of buyers, since banks offered 100 per cent mortgages, with no deposit required and no questions asked.

    And people who already owned a house bought another one as an investment. Soon, Ireland was building as many houses as all of Britain, which has a population 14 times bigger.

    As the frenzy continued, the Irish government's revenues from duties on house and land sales soared. 'The government was addicted like a street crack cocaine user to all the revenues that came from the property bubble,' says Irish commentator Colm Mac Eochaidh.

    Anyone who dared to warn that this circus could not last was simply brushed aside. Mr Bertie Ahern, who was prime minister for much of the period by promising his countrymen that the 'boom is getting boomier', once publicly invited those who 'moaned' about the health of the economy 'to commit suicide', so that the rest of the nation could continue to enjoy its spree.

    Mr Ahern also had other reasons to ignore the warning signs: a third of the political donations to his ruling Fianna Fail came from the construction industry. So, instead of trying to deflate the bubble, the government fed it, by offering even bigger tax incentives to home buyers. As noted writer Fintan O'Toole remarked: 'Ireland blew it by ceasing to believe that you sustain prosperity by making things and selling them. Instead, it started to believe that there was a new magic kind of prosperity which was made out of basically selling bits of Ireland to each other.'

    When the bubble finally burst, it spewed deadly venom. Housing prices have plunged by about 40 per cent over the last two years. A total of 621 'ghost estates' are littered across the country, either left unfinished when developers ran out of cash or desperately awaiting buyers.

    But the buyers will never come, for many of these estates were built for pure speculation, and in the wrong places. Leitrim, a small, sparsely populated region in Ireland's north, estimated that it needed only 590 new houses to accommodate its population growth. Instead, it received 3,000, and they are now mostly occupied by stray cats and dogs. 'I suppose we can hire the estate as a backdrop for a horror movie,' said a local resident.

    And as the economy nosedived, nearly one in 10 of all Irish mortgage holders got into trouble. And that, in turn, sent the country's financial system into a meltdown.

    Allied Irish Banks and Anglo Irish Bank - the two biggest players in the domestic market - led the mortgage rush and, when the going was good, saw their profits rise by about 40 per cent each year. Both crashed. Anglo Irish alone ended up with about €39 billion worth of bad debts.

    'Anglo Irish was the baddest bank on the planet,' says Dutch financial expert Maarten van Eeden, who was recruited last year in the hope of saving something from the wreckage. 'What you saw here at the bank was recklessness, no checks and balances; it was all a very nasty cocktail.'

    The bailout plunged Ireland into a profound sense of national shame. 'Having obtained our political independence from Britain to be the masters of our own affairs, we have now surrendered our sovereignty,' wrote The Irish Times, the country's top newspaper. Few could understand why every Irishman should assume responsibility for the misdeeds of politicians and bankers. But pay they will, and for generations to come.

    The only consolation for the Irish is that, unlike Greece, another European country which has had to be saved from bankruptcy, Ireland has already swallowed the bitter medicine and has started to tackle its difficulties, while the Greeks are still dithering.

    However, at least for the moment, all the problems of old Ireland have returned with a vengeance. Unemployment has trebled during the last two years. The flow of Irish people out of the country has also resumed: 50,000 are expected to leave this year, a rate of about 1,000 a week. Ireland is back where it was: poorer than the European average, vulnerable and apprehensive about its future.

    As the graffiti outside Dublin Airport aptly put it, the scars will run deep.

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    'Ireland blew it by ceasing to believe that you sustain prosperity by making things and selling them. Instead, it started to believe that there was a new magic kind of prosperity which was made out of basically selling bits of Ireland to each other.'


    extract from straits times , for a lesson on a Govt that cocked up

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    Scary...hopefully this won't happen to Singapore anytime soon.

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    garmant telling us that they are doing a good job....

    vote for them!!!!!

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    Been to Ireland many years back, peaceful, fun-loving , hilly countryside. In the evening, everybody will gather in a irish bar to listen to live authentic, traditional music performance for hours ... totally carefree

    And Irish singers are angelic ...Enya, Celtic Woman, simply heavenly

    Really sad to hear about this financial tragedy in such beautiful country

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    Yes, vote for them and help themselve for 8x monthly bonuses. They are world class and they deserve it.

    Wonder will our bosses agreed to pay us 8 months of monthly salary just because we did 14.5% better than target?

    Am I dreaming?
    Daft, Dafter, Dafterest!!!!

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    as i was reading the article, some of the stages are same as what we have here. No control = total destruction.

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    Haa haa Fianna Fail .... what a name for a political party....epic fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    as i was reading the article, some of the stages are same as what we have here. No control = total destruction.
    which part? the bubble in Ireland happened in 2009 why such a big page article before erection?

    Really funny to read about it in 2011. Its a stale old news to me.

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    Sounds very similiar to PAP housing policies during the Great Housing Price Rise.

    Maybe PAP copied just to maintain the 14.5% GDP.

    As recent as last year , Banks are dishing out Housing Loans like giving out toilet paper,


    So easy to get Housing Loans.

    Sounds famaliar??

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    but they are quick to plug it, now is 40% d/p which essentially stop all speculations or anyone who overleverage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattydrama
    but they are quick to plug it, now is 40% d/p which essentially stop all speculations or anyone who overleverage.
    Yes, they did but very late and because of elections.

    After elections, anything goes again.

    Many are already in the hole from 2007 until 2010.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wenqing
    Yes, they did but very late and because of elections.

    After elections, anything goes again.

    Many are already in the hole from 2007 until 2010.

    But this who bought in 2009 already up at least 30% so even if prices plunge 40% they will still be ok coz they made 20% downpayment so no negative equity... Plus the chances of a 40% drop now is next to zero unless another crisis on the scale of what we have seen in 2008

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenqing
    Yes, they did but very late and because of elections.

    After elections, anything goes again.

    Many are already in the hole from 2007 until 2010.

    but if the economy is not over heated, the boat wont be rocked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCR


    But this who bought in 2009 already up at least 30% so even if prices plunge 40% they will still be ok coz they made 20% downpayment so no negative equity... Plus the chances of a 40% drop now is next to zero unless another crisis on the scale of what we have seen in 2008
    Let us hope so because Mah Bow Tan has been increasing supply of housing like mad the past 6 months, the highest frequency of releasing housing land.

    He has been saying everything is for elections but it is already very late.

    The wonder analysts say 2013-2014 plenty of houses will TOP and a deluge of housing supply will happen then.

    Prices will go down unless PAP can bring in a few hundred thousand more people to squeeze with Singaporeans.

    But whether got jobs and space for everyone is another issue.

    Haphazard planning and domino effect. Somebody has to sacrifice here and it is not going to be government.

    Even if PAP wins elections, I hope Mah Bow Tan be Minister somewhere else and not MND anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rattydrama
    but if the economy is not over heated, the boat wont be rocked.
    Did anyone expect Middle East to happen so fast ?

    Did our god-like talented leaders self praise themselves and forecast this time round ?

    Wait for North Korea.

    I am just being realistic.

    Nothing happen is best, but if something happens, hopefully government will think of something to prevent property collapse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenqing
    Did anyone expect Middle East to happen so fast ?

    Did our god-like talented leaders self praise themselves and forecast this time round ?

    Wait for North Korea.

    I am just being realistic.

    Nothing happen is best, but if something happens, hopefully government will think of something to prevent property collapse.
    external influences is beyond the government and what can be done is to carry out damage control to the economy by generating internal consumption to keep it going.

    The last round, the gov dish out job credit, training subsidy etc...to by time and ride the wave. Luckily it was short.

    All will kenna no one can be spared if it does happens. In SG context, dont think it will collapse unless there is a WWIII.

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    Singapore govt has enough ammo in its reserves to help the country ride out any downturn. They have learnt the lesson from Asia Financial Crisis which is why 2008-2010 crisis did not create any lasting damage in SG, Most people actually became richer than they were in 2007.

    They have done a reasonable job so far in meeting housing demand, what they really need to do is to let infrastructure catch up with population growth.

    More schools/hospital/MRT etc. That will create jobs and create wealth. What they are doing with the financial sector is great because increased access to international funds and exposure enable businesses grow more rapidly.

    Overall I'm bullish on SG property over long run but short-run risk are significant.

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    I'm not too sure about the reserve part. It may be linked to GIC and Temasek and their investments, which can be affected by downturns. But I'm sure $ can be printed to fund spending.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenqing
    Yes, they did but very late and because of elections.

    After elections, anything goes again.

    Many are already in the hole from 2007 until 2010.

    I think they were late BECAUSE of the elections. The elections were coming so they CANNOT do things that will drop housing prices. Common sense lah, if you are PAP do you dare to introduce strong measure and later the housing prices drop 10 or 20%?

    I mean rising housing prices is really like not your fault due to global liquidity. But if you crash the market with some stupid measure, sure lose election.

    But later the prices went up so much, they MUST do something to slow it down. I think after the election, they will be more decisive. PAP obviously don't want a bubble forming. MBT has talk and talk until his mouth dry asking people to stop buying. After the election, I think the BIG measures will come out.

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    I like these two paragraphs from the article:

    "Anyone who dared to warn that this circus could not last was simply brushed aside. Mr Bertie Ahern, who was prime minister for much of the period by promising his countrymen that the 'boom is getting boomier', once publicly invited those who 'moaned' about the health of the economy 'to commit suicide', so that the rest of the nation could continue to enjoy its spree."

    "Ireland blew it by ceasing to believe that you sustain prosperity by making things and selling them. Instead, it started to believe that there was a new magic kind of prosperity which was made out of basically selling bits of Ireland to each other."

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    Quote Originally Posted by wind30
    I think they were late BECAUSE of the elections. The elections were coming so they CANNOT do things that will drop housing prices. Common sense lah, if you are PAP do you dare to introduce strong measure and later the housing prices drop 10 or 20%?

    I mean rising housing prices is really like not your fault due to global liquidity. But if you crash the market with some stupid measure, sure lose election.

    But later the prices went up so much, they MUST do something to slow it down. I think after the election, they will be more decisive. PAP obviously don't want a bubble forming. MBT has talk and talk until his mouth dry asking people to stop buying. After the election, I think the BIG measures will come out.
    What is the big measure in your context?

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    This is a very interesting topic.

    In fact, Ireland crisis is not the first. If anyone follow the global property market, u will be able to recall, SPAIN, and then the huge Dubai....all these are very frightening. China had a mini one before but recovered very fast.

    It is very difficult to match demand and supply in property market, due to its long lead time. Remember in the 1990+, how many surplus flats that HDB had and how many years it took to get rid off. I still remembered the old talk that once EC hit the market, that is the end...sounds interesting...

    I still maintain my position to sell..but it is very much difficult now...not a single call after rounds of advertisment by the agents...

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    Local interest in pte property is cooling off, particularly in sub-sales and re-sales. The BTOs and ECs have taken a significant portion of the real buyers (for own stay) away from the pte property market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyenergix
    Local interest in pte property is cooling off, particularly in sub-sales and re-sales. The BTOs and ECs have taken a significant portion of the real buyers (for own stay) away from the pte property market.
    Luckily we have elections in Singapore or else this bubble will just grow and add to Singapore GDP growth without thinking.

    I remember SM Goh's failed Asset Enhancement Scheme in the 90s , many Singaporeans lost money back then as recessions came and went.

    That why we have the saying Singaporeans are Asset Rich But Cash Poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wenqing
    That why we have the saying Singaporeans are Asset Rich But Cash Poor.
    All the cash in CPF, cannot take out until lao kok kok

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