Any major difference besides citizens can vote.... And must do ns.
Any other significant difference ?
Pr can pack up , go back homeland..desert us, if things r bad...
Any major difference besides citizens can vote.... And must do ns.
Any other significant difference ?
Pr can pack up , go back homeland..desert us, if things r bad...
The colour of their nrics are different (one pink, the other blue)
PRs cannot buy subsidised hdb flats
PRs must pay full upgrading fees
PRs have less discounted medical fees, skool fees etc
Originally Posted by Geylang OKT
Actually PR quite cham...
Have to migrate to live elsewhere from home...
Literally start a new life in a new place...
It can be a lonely life away from family and friends...
And sometimes, you never return home...and when old, sigh... any regrets???
And they tend to inhale fragrances that they are not accustomed to.... like curryOriginally Posted by TKT
The difference in fees is insignificant.
Originally Posted by Geylang OKT
1st generation PRs must do NS and reservist.Originally Posted by marktkt22
Different in fee is v small
I dun tink they cham"
Sporean is the real "cham", pathetic ones
Especially middle class
Nvm la...lky says population must expand if not become like japan worOriginally Posted by marktkt22
Low birth rate n easiest way out is to import from poorer countries.....whahaha
Given the opportunity at their home , coming here is considered a blessing already .Originally Posted by TKT
Depends whether u are employee or employer, follower or leader. Employer likes foreigner who keep the cost for business and increase in population can boost business revenue. Leader able to increase country competency and increase in tax, with tax $ they able to provide scholarship, healthcare, stability. I agree that middle class suffer but if you compare to other country, middle class in sg is still better off...food,shelter,medical,education, security, employment, what else you need? Surely in a society there is middle, high and low class. So this thing never end.Originally Posted by marktkt22
Those PRs that come to singapore and kao peh kao bu should really get raped by a dog. Or country is the only place in the world that allows PR to buy public housing and most of them come here to spoil our market.
paisei, may i ask a question on employment pass holders(not PR).Originally Posted by joelx
assuming,
Person F(foreigner on employment pass) - salary $4500
Person S1(singaporean) - salary $4500
take home pay (less employee cpf 20%) = $3600
employer cpf 16% = $720
Person S2(singaporean) - salary $3879.31
take home pay (less employee cpf 20%) = $3103.45
employer cpf 16% = $620.69
cost for company to hire F = $4500
cost for company to hire S1 = $4500+720 = $5220
cost for company to hire S2 = $3879.31+620.69 = $4500
Assuming all 3 person have equal capability,
so Singaporean can only ask for salary up to $3879.31 just to match a foreigner of salary $4500 ?
Or company have to pay extra tax when hiring Person F, which bring the hiring cost closer to hiring Singaporean ?
Well I guess company will use employee F as a salary benchmark to all employees. Not to complicate things, the best and suitable and cheapest candidate get the job. No matters is a F or S. Thts the fact of life. Old man vs young also the same. Whoever fit best take on the jobOriginally Posted by taggy
S2 has higher net income, if you include CPF.Originally Posted by taggy
Ohh yeah thanks for highlighting missed tht out, 16% more from employer for S2.Originally Posted by hyenergix
Eh? .. I don't get it... in your example, I thought after adding 16% S2 gets $4500 which is equal to F salary of $4500.Originally Posted by joelx
Originally Posted by joelx
actually what i like to find out is, how foreign employee pass(EP) holder depress the local salary here
the lowest Q1 EP start with salary of $2,800, so
if person F earns salary $2800, then the matching person S can only ask for $2413 (2800/1.16), so that company do not need increase in cost.
$2413 after 20% employee cpf, left with $1930 take home pay.
if my calculation is correct, then i think this is not level playing field.
i noe person S gross income(with employer and employee cpf) is still $2800.
But, person F take home $2800 vs person S take home $1930, i dun think the 2 person will be of the same quality/capability.
so person S will tend to ask for higher pay, which will mean company hire Singaporean is more expensive than hiring foreigner ?
Sorry, you are correct. Both cost co. The same 4500Originally Posted by howgozit
Originally Posted by taggy
I think the cost frm co. Perspective is the same for both. But F has higher purchasing power (higher disposable income). For S to match tht, S need to ask for more. However the crucial part is still the salary ceiling that set by F, simply higher supply of employee than demand frm employer. Price can't move up.
Agree, cost is same for employer but there are more rules wrt hiring a foreigner and also employer has to take into account foreigner's long term commitment to the his business. This is assuming the foreigner is on local terms. If he is on expat terms, then the costs to the employer shoots up. Depending on the type of job being offered, the foreigner is not always the most attractive option for the same cost outlay.Originally Posted by joelx
As for disposable income, if the foreigner is not a PR he cannot buy HDB. His living costs will be extremely high in Singapore. He will have less to spend if you deduct his rental payments.
If the foreigner is a PR and can buy a resale HDB, though his living costs now drop, his disposable income drops too because he has to contribute to CPF like his Singaporean counterpart.
Calculation didnt take into account the company has to pay foreign workers levy. S2 still earns more than F after reduction from levy, assuming $4.5k net cost to company.Originally Posted by joelx
EP need to pay levy meh?Originally Posted by hyenergix
Tot only Work Permit requires and not EP....
Daft, Dafter, Dafterest!!!!
I think employers do not need to pay the FWL for EPs.Originally Posted by hyenergix
Ok, my mistake!
I hope the conclusion is not:Originally Posted by howgozit
Singaporean employees is more expensive than "EP holders" and "1st/2nd yr PR(since lower CPF rate)".
Fully Agree! They have a choice but they choose to come....We Singaporeans are the ones who are "cham" by accomodating to them....Originally Posted by zzz1
Sometimes I'm quite amused by comparison of pay btw PR n Singaporeans. Juz work harder n smarter, n if u have e capabilities I'm sure u will b highly sought after at higher pay. If not juz b ur own boss instead of asking employers to hire u at higher pay juz bcoz u r Singaporean. Invest in urself by learning new skills. With globalisation n Internet, i wld say skills get obsolete quickly n knowledge is cheapened.
I agree, few things to note here, skill play a crucial part, supply of labour and demand from employer set the salary. Not foreign or local. In employer eyes, $ come first.Originally Posted by hyenergix