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    Default The S'porean buyer and the S$1m OCR home

    http://www.todayonline.com/Business/Property/EDC110930-0000267/The-Sporean-buyer-and-the-S$1m-OCR-home

    The S'porean buyer and the S$1m OCR home

    by Ku Swee Yong

    04:46 AM Sep 30, 2011


    Before the Lehman crisis, foreign buyers were widely considered to have helped drive prices of luxury properties in areas such as Orchard Road, Marina Bay and Sentosa Cove to record highs.

    In the last two years, interest in the Core Central Region (CCR) that is home to the affluent postal codes has been lacklustre. On the other hand, transaction volumes in the mass market, or Outside Central Region (OCR), have remained strong and new record-high psf prices are regularly set, with a stunning S$1,600 psf being achieved. Then in 2Q11, the average price of a residential unit in the OCR surpassed the psychological hurdle of S$1 million.

    Following on from the article, "Oversupply risks in Outside Central Region" (Today, Sept 23), we delved deeper into the numbers to examine the issue: Are foreigners ramping up purchases in the OCR and contributing to the oversupply risks or are locals still the main driving force?

    From Table 1, we can see that the proportion of Singaporean buyers in the OCR has remained steady at about 70 to 77 per cent in the last six quarters from 1Q10 to 2Q11.

    Over the same period, Singapore Permanent Residents (SPRs) and foreigners made up 22 to 30 per cent of the buyers. If we focus on foreigners alone, the percentage fluctuated between 8 and 15 per cent, with the numbers tied to developers' launch activities.

    For example, in 1Q11, Singaporean buyers were spooked by the strong policy measures introduced in mid-January and the number of transactions attributed to locals plunged to 2,243 from 2,806 in 4Q10. The restraint of Singaporean buyers, coupled with new launch projects where developers conducted overseas sales exhibitions, caused the foreigners' percentage contribution to rise to 15 per cent.

    Purchase Intentions

    Most of the foreigners and SPRs who buy in OCR do so for practical purposes such as proximity to relatives, children's schooling, commute to jobs, etc. In other words, most foreigners and SPRs purchase in OCR mainly for their own stay and it is a minority who buy OCR properties for pure investment returns.

    The percentage contribution by foreigners and SPRs has been more or less steady and there is no clear trend that there is an increasing proportion of foreigners and SPRs buying into OCR. Increasing numbers, yes, but not necessarily increasing proportion. If we also take into account the fact that the proportion of foreigners in the total population is rising, a gradual increase in foreigner participation across all segments of non-landed residential properties is to be expected.



    Who drove the average OCR price over the S$1-million mark?

    The numbers in Table 3 show Singaporeans, not foreigners, to be the main driving force. 2Q11 data shows 44 per cent of total OCR transactions went above S$1 million. Of this, about 31 per cent is attributed to Singaporeans, while foreigners and SPRs combined accounted for only 12 per cent. Over the 6 quarters under review, the percentage of Singaporeans who purchased OCR properties priced over $1 million grew from 20 per cent to 31 per cent, while foreigners and SPR combined grew from 7 per cent to 12 per cent in the same period.

    Singaporeans have been buying up OCR properties at higher and higher prices, partly due to rising Housing and Development Board (HDB) prices and partly due to the accumulated equity that upgraders have built up in their HDB flats. For those who are selling their HDB flats to move into mass-market private homes, selling into a rising HDB market allows them to afford a higher-priced purchase. After all, it is upgrading for their family enjoyment.

    However, should there be a severe downturn in the global economy and unemployment in Singapore shoots up, might it be the locals who end up holding the more expensive OCR properties, and not so much the foreigners and SPRs?



    Ku Swee Yong is founder of real estate agency International Property Advisor, specialising in property services for high-net-worth clients. He is the author of Real Estate Riches: Understanding Singapore's Property Market in a Volatile Economy.

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    I wonder why these papers still engage this Ku Swee Yong to write for them. He has been consistently WRONG and bashing OCR properties since 2006. And his prediction that CCR property should be 7x OCR property has not come true. Most of his articles are so shallow and give no insights. He talks about property without mentioning rentals or yields. Once he bother to look at cash flows, he may one day understand why his Orchard Road property today is not worth 7x of RCR or OCR. Until then, nobody should engage him to write rubbish in the mainstream media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Falcon
    I wonder why these papers still engage this Ku Swee Yong to write for them. He has been consistently WRONG and bashing OCR properties since 2006. And his prediction that CCR property should be 7x OCR property has not come true. Most of his articles are so shallow and give no insights. He talks about property without mentioning rentals or yields. Once he bother to look at cash flows, he may one day understand why his Orchard Road property today is not worth 7x of RCR or OCR. Until then, nobody should engage him to write rubbish in the mainstream media.
    i am sure die hard ccr supporters enjoyed reading it

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    He was a CCR bull at the peak and during the correction in Lehman's collapse, CCR new projects were some of the hardest hit in the crisis.

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    simply "jia liao bee"

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    He was a CCR bull at the peak and during the correction in Lehman's collapse, CCR new projects were some of the hardest hit in the crisis.
    i tink all the projects wif prices slashed falls in ccr in early 09......crapland oredi got a few projects....LOL

    in fact, ocr condos drop very slightly or never at all in early 09 bcoz prior to tat, ocr prices nvr chiong much....however, this time round will be different liao...ocr got some meat to fall

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    Quote Originally Posted by land118
    simply "jia liao bee"
    he does put up some figures which is unknown to me

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    i tink all the projects wif prices slashed falls in ccr in early 09......crapland oredi got a few projects....LOL

    in fact, ocr condos drop very slightly or never at all in early 09 bcoz prior to tat, ocr prices nvr chiong much....however, this time round will be different liao...ocr got some meat to fall
    Agree, OCR selling at 1200psf or higher are in a more precarious position if there were to be a pullback.

    CCR at 2500 also have quite some meat to pullback.

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    i am sure die hard ccr supporters enjoyed reading it
    are u all waiting for me to come out and say yes ? ha ha

    OCR never moved up at all in 2006-7. so 2006 CCR was a good buy.
    CCR never moved up at all in 2009-10. so 2009 (or maybe early 2010) OCR was a good buy too.

    Now today, from 2011 onwards, which segment will outperform (or face severe correction) ? his opinion is not nonsense.

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    We are gradually moving on through inflation, pass the $1mil mark for OCR properties liao. We should never be alarmed coz its always been only a matter of time. In another 10 years, the ave 3 bedder OCR unit may well be $1.5mil and HDB may well hover about the $800k to $1mil region for a 4 bedroom by then.

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    Buy and keep properties rather than Cash?
    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    We are gradually moving on through inflation, pass the $1mil mark for OCR properties liao. We should never be alarmed coz its always been only a matter of time. In another 10 years, the ave 3 bedder OCR unit may well be $1.5mil and HDB may well hover about the $800k to $1mil region for a 4 bedroom by then.

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    I am willing to sell my 5r HDB @ 1 million near MRT in 10y time if you pay me 20% deposit now, any taker? Future date the contract lol
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    Buy and keep properties rather than Cash?
    Properties are investment portfolios. Cash it only when you need the cash for various reasons, from taking a tour around the world or heavy medical bills even after insurance deduction or for children's overseas education, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    I am willing to sell my 5r HDB @ 1 million near MRT in 10y time if you pay me 20% deposit now, any taker? Future date the contract lol
    Suspect Pinnacle @ Duxton will be the first HDB to break the $1mil barrier (another 2 to 3 years for that MOP to be up) and after than, all hell breaks loose for HDB flats. Records will start to tumble. LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    Suspect Pinnacle @ Duxton will be the first HDB to break the $1mil barrier (another 2 to 3 years for that MOP to be up) and after than, all hell breaks loose for HDB flats. Records will start to tumble. LOL!
    I think Tiong Bahru, Red Hill will break first..

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    I am willing to sell my 5r HDB @ 1 million near MRT in 10y time if you pay me 20% deposit now, any taker? Future date the contract lol
    ahhhaha , good try. No need to wait so long, 99.999999% of hdb owners will sell now.

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    New private home sales surged 21 per cent with 1,631 homes finding buyers last month. This is more than the 1,351 units sold in August. Including executive condominium units, the number swelled to 2,064 units.

    Mr Li Hiaw Ho, executive director of CBRE Research, said the high September volume was mainly supported by mass-market and upgrader-type projects, with a total of 433 executive condominium (EC) units sold in September, compared to 290 in August.

    'It is likely that the latest Government move to raise the household income ceiling for EC buyers from $10,000 to $12,000 per month has given a boost to the sales momentum,' he added.

    Arc At Tampines, the first EC project launched after the announcement, registered 233 units sold at a median price of $734 per sq ft (psf). RiverParc Residence in Punggol sold another 90 units ($685 psf) in addition to the 393 already sold, while Blossom Residences in Bukit Panjang sold 52 units at $706 psf on top of the 361 units sold earlier.

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_724294.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    Suspect Pinnacle @ Duxton will be the first HDB to break the $1mil barrier (another 2 to 3 years for that MOP to be up) and after than, all hell breaks loose for HDB flats. Records will start to tumble. LOL!
    why bother the pinnacle duxton hdb to break the 1million barrier.??
    hdb wf location or sea view are alrdy asking for 1million.

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/singa...itude=&submit=

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    why bother the pinnacle duxton hdb to break the 1million barrier.??
    hdb wf location or sea view are alrdy asking for 1million.

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/singa...itude=&submit=
    Those listed...owners have long necks like giraffe..., some in areas who are just simply trying their AXX luck...

    But if wait long long, dream may come true...some day, some year...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    why bother the pinnacle duxton hdb to break the 1million barrier.??
    hdb wf location or sea view are alrdy asking for 1million.

    http://www.propertyguru.com.sg/singa...itude=&submit=
    Asking doesn't mean sold... well you may be right.. don't bother pinnacle. They will hit the $1.2mil then... LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by land118
    Those listed...owners have long necks like giraffe..., some in areas who are just simply trying their AXX luck...

    But if wait long long, dream may come true...some day, some year...
    Meiling street alrdy sold at high 900kssss. isn't it??
    or like between 950-980k some years ago.. so wads new??

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    the reporters are just waiting for that first one to cross 1mio. the rental returns are all primed for that quantum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwong71
    Meiling street alrdy sold at high 900kssss. isn't it??
    or like between 950-980k some years ago.. so wads new??
    Hougang, Serangoon North in the listing, what do u think....

    I believe wait long enough, surely can, see how long their giraffe necks only....

    Better still, list them as $1.5m..., shout and shout..someday would come...

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    Quote Originally Posted by land118
    Hougang, Serangoon North in the listing, what do u think....

    I believe wait long enough, surely can, see how long their giraffe necks only....

    Better still, list them as $1.5m..., shout and shout..someday would come...
    Freehold condos in the vicinity cost less than $1.5mil. These agents are just pushing it with $1mil asking liao. HDB flats will take queue number and wait long long. Shout till throat hoarse also no enquiries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    Freehold condos in the vicinity cost less than $1.5mil. These agents are just pushing it with $1mil asking liao. HDB flats will take queue number and wait long long. Shout till throat hoarse also no enquiries.
    Ya, In that listing, Serangoon North Ave 1, Block 129, Executive, 1700sqft asking for $1m, banking on "privatization and enbloc", jialat, when HDB resale transaction in 2011 have not even cross $600k..., super bullish or super foolish

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    Quote Originally Posted by land118
    Ya, In that listing, Serangoon North Ave 1, Block 129, Executive, 1700sqft asking for $1m, banking on "privatization and enbloc", jialat, when HDB resale transaction in 2011 have not even cross $600k..., super bullish or super foolish
    this guys aren't looking to move in the first place. macham playing tikam tikam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    this guys aren't looking to move in the first place. macham playing tikam tikam.
    They aren't really moving but are open to move if they can get their asking price. If someone offers me $1mil, I'll also sell my HDB... LOL! Similarly, if someone offers me $2mil for my OCR 3 bedder PC, I'll also gladly sell it and move out... LOL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ysyap
    They aren't really moving but are open to move if they can get their asking price. If someone offers me $1mil, I'll also sell my HDB... LOL! Similarly, if someone offers me $2mil for my OCR 3 bedder PC, I'll also gladly sell it and move out... LOL!
    Haha bro, undercut u! 988,888 I sell my prime location HDB. Consider throw in free SLK car to drive for a year too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DaytonaSS
    Haha bro, undercut u! 988,888 I sell my prime location HDB. Consider throw in free SLK car to drive for a year too.
    Very auspicious quantum$, if you have a nice matching SLK licence plate, 8888, even better...

    $1mil for HDB resale flat will surely come sooner than later.., just where and who is the 1st sucker who buy..

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    Quote Originally Posted by land118
    Very auspicious quantum$, if you have a nice matching SLK licence plate, 8888, even better...

    $1mil for HDB resale flat will surely come sooner than later.., just where and who is the 1st sucker who buy..
    i tink 10yrs later, HDB px cud at least be 40-50% more den current px as long PAP rules

    now a old old 30+yo 3rm flat in gd location cost about 300k liao.....expect to hit 400-450k in 10yrs time.....

    new new and bestest HDB pinnacle at duxton 5rm flat will be? condos nearby can fetch 2k psf....u make ur guess

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