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    A family of six, living on S$1,900 a month
    How do those in the 'sandwiched class', who don't qualify for many assistance schemes, get by?

    Updated 01:24 PM Nov 13, 2011
    by Carolyn Quek and Yu Pei Fern [email protected]
    The first thing you notice when you enter Madam Anna's (not her real name) flat is that the handles of the metal grille gate have broken off, with two wooden blocks crudely fastened in their place.

    Her boys had been kicking a football around and damaged the gate, and to save money, the housewife and her husband decided to repair it themselves with pieces of wood someone had discarded at the void deck of their block in Choa Chu Kang.

    The "curtain" that is draped across the living room windows is in fact a piece of colourful cotton fabric pegged to the window grille. The same fabric is also used as a throw for the sofa. Instead of chairs, the family sits on wooden benches and stools.

    A large Panasonic TV and a personal desktop computer take pride of place in the living room of the flat which the family has called home for the past 10 years. Madam Anna explains that these items were given to them by her youngest brother's friend who was moving house and did not want them anymore. "Nowadays people use sophisticated TV right? But for us that one not important; can watch can already," said the 48-year-old, alluding to the fact that her TV and computer monitor are not the snazzy flat-screen type in fashion these days.

    For Madam Anna, any money saved is money that will go a long way for her family of six - they have three boys aged 15, 10 and 8 and a daughter, 3.

    Madam Anna, who studied up to Secondary 2, had previously held jobs earning about S$500 a month. But since their children came along, the family has been getting by on her 46-year-old husband's income - he works as a transport supervisor at a local tourist attraction - with the occasional extra from her selling home-made curry puffs to the provision shop downstairs.

    His salary and bonuses were enough for the family to buy a S$45,000 Toyota Vios about four years ago and make annual trips to parts of Malaysia, such as Genting Highlands and Kuala Lumpur.

    But life threw a spanner in the works when her fourth child and only daughter was born prematurely at 29 weeks. Suffering from chronic lung disease, her daughter spent most of her first year in hospital and had to undergo an operation. She is left with a hole on her stomach, which Madam Anna dresses at least twice a day.

    These days, the monthly medical expenses for the four-year-old girl - who also has developmental delay - amount to around S$300 and she requires almost round-the-clock attention from Madam Anna, making it difficult for Mum to work and supplement the family income.

    Though a huge expense, Madam Anna and her husband decided to keep the car in part because their daughter's condition meant that she fell ill easily and it was better for her not to travel via public transport.



    STUCK IN A HARD PLACE

    Families like Madam Anna fall into a sandwiched class of low-middle income Singaporeans, who are in the 11th to 20th percentile in terms of resident household income making an average of about S$2,681 a month.

    This was a group the Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Chan Chun Sing recently expressed concern about. While not the poorest of the poor, these families are vulnerable to volatile economic tides; yet they do not qualify for many social assistance schemes because they earn too much.

    At the same time, the income of this group of Singaporeans has not risen much in the past decade. A recent paper by the Manpower Ministry and the Singapore Department of Statistics found that nominal income for Singaporeans at the 20th percentile had grown by 1.7 per cent per annum - from S$1,200 in 2001 to S$1,400 last year. After accounting for inflation, however, real income growth was "flat".

    Madam Anna's husband currently earns about S$2,300, but effectively takes home about S$1,900 after contributing to his Central Provident Fund. This money is used to pay not only for her daughter's medical expenses, but also for the children's school expenses, food, utilities, telephone and Internet bill and the monthly car instalment (see table).

    What little is left - if any - Madam Anna squirrels away in a rainy-day fund, but she admits that it is not easy and only has just over S$1,000 in savings.



    MAKING EACH CENT COUNT

    To make her husband's salary go further, Madam Anna and her family take trips twice a month to Johor Baru to stock up on groceries and clothes for her fast-growing daughter. "A dress there can cost RM10 to RM20 (S$4 to S$8), which is much cheaper than in Singapore," the housewife said.

    But, as for herself and her husband, their own appearance is "not important", she lets on, gesturing eloquently at her attire: A faded green Hang Ten Polo T-shirt that is at least 10 years old, as are most other items in her and her husband's wardrobe. Madam Anna said she could not remember the last time she bought something for herself, and she hardly wears make up now.

    When she does her weekly marketing, she goes for the inexpensive stuff, like the smaller fish and vegetables such as cabbage and kang kong. She qualified: "Of course I want the good things, but they have to be cheap."

    She admits, though, that she does give in to the occasional craving for McDonald's or KFC because her children love french fries. But that happens only every two months or so, and they try to go for the special promotions because "they are more value for money", she said.

    Home is where she and her kids spend most of their time, when they are not at school. "People like to go window shopping, but frankly, I don't like to go to shopping centres because once you set foot in the door, it means you start spending money," said Madam Anna matter-of-factly.



    PREFERENCE FOR SELF-RELIANCE

    While not being able to qualify for most financial assistance schemes, Madam Anna has been receiving basic food rations such as rice and biscuits from Fei Yue Family Service Centre on an ad-hoc basis over the past few months.

    She was referred to them through self-help group Mendaki, where her eldest son is attending tuition classes. Madam Anna's two younger sons, who are in Primary 4 and 2, have also been receiving S$55 each from a pocket money assistance scheme for the past two years. The youngest was awarded a bursary last year.

    Preferring to be self-reliant, Madam Anna said she does not go out of her way to find out what assistance schemes are available for her family. The help afforded so far, therefore, has been incidental - but she is nonetheless grateful. "I always tell myself, there is someone out there worse off than me," she said.

    She also does not want to trouble her relatives with her financial burdens because "they have their own problems".

    What about having her husband change jobs in hopes of higher pay? She said she had discouraged him from doing so. When he started out 30 years ago with the company, he was only making about S$400 a month. "For someone with Primary 6 education, it's not easy for him to earn the salary he is earning now," Madam Anna said.

    She looks forward to the day she can return to work as well. She was very keen to sign up for a customer service course that Mendaki had told her about recently, but was unable to attend because it meant too much time away from her daughter.

    Seeing her daughter get better is her main priority now, as well as ensuring her other children obtain a good education. She shared how her eldest son bucked up in his studies after being relegated to the Normal Stream in Secondary 3 - so for that reason, she says, it was "good for him to fail".

    Recently, he mooted the idea of taking up a part-time job. But Madam Anna is not keen, even if it would mean lessening the family's financial burden. "I want them to go as high as they can ... I want them to grow up and be good people."



    MADAM ANNA'S FAMILY'S MONTHLY EXPENSES

    Husband's take-home pay: S$1,900



    Total expenses (approx): S$2,049

    - Food and daily needs: S$200

    - Electricity, water, gas: S$200

    - Daughter's medical bill: S$300

    - Mobile and home phone, Internet: S$200

    - Car instalment: S$500

    - Petrol and parking: S$200

    - Town Council conservancy fees: S$45

    - Pocket money for eldest son: S$200

    - Madrasah classes for three sons: S$74

    - Husband's expenses: S$100

    - Daughter's Early Intervention Programme for Children & Infants fees: S$30

    * The two younger boys get $110 in pocket money assistance. The family also gets ad hoc rations from Fei Yue Family Service

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    For one family, paying off debt compels drastic measures
    by Carolyn Quek and Yu Pei Fern
    The possibility of divorce had never been raised - until 17 months ago when the family found itself without a roof over their heads.

    "It sounds horrible to put it this way," Mr Tang (not his real name) sighed uncomfortably, speaking in rapid Mandarin. "But with my current income, we don't qualify for a rental flat. If we divorce, then my wife can get one, and then they (wife and two daughters) can at least get their own home."

    He added: "I told her, 'it's just a piece of paper. It shouldn't matter how other people see you ... You only need to remember the way I see you, and love you.' "

    For the 49-year-old primary school leaver and his family, the complex chain of events - spurred by a combination of bad personal decisions and economic vicissitudes - began about four years ago.

    As a supervisor in chemical piping works, he was earning a basic wage of about S$2,000 a month. But with the economy going strong, and the company awarded big projects, he could in lucky months make as much as S$5,000 including overtime pay.

    The family had also bought and sold two HDB flats over the years, and were living in their third, a four-room flat. Then Mr Tang began racking up credit card debts - some S$21,000 over the course of a year.

    He turned to gambling in the hopes of making up the money, and instead, lost more than S$70,000.

    He declined to give details, but said he went for credit counselling afterwards. With the economy by then in the doldrums, his monthly earnings also shrank and stagnated.

    They sold their flat to cover the debts, then tried to buy a smaller flat. But Mr Tang had not realised he could not get a bank loan, the minimum income required being S$2,500. Nor did they qualify for a HDB rental flat - the household income ceiling was S$1,500, and there was a 30-month debarment period besides.

    So they ended up renting a room on the open market, at S$700 a month. Rules did not allow more than three tenants in the room, and Mr Tang had to sleep in the park, a memory that still brings tears of frustration and humiliation to recount.

    For the past two months now, the family has been living in a transitional shelter provided by New Hope Community Services, sharing a three-room flat in Boon Lay with another family of three. New Hope provides them with some food rations.

    One of the things Mr Tang did when they moved out was to throw away all their appliances and belongings.

    "Those things are part of another life," he said fiercely. "This is what we are now, no use hanging on to the past."

    They have brought along the bare necessities: Their clothes which hang in a small cupboard, two laptops for their daughters' education and their mobile phones (even though the phone subscription plans add up to S$200 a month, Mr Tang says he feels more secure with them). Should they need to use the Internet, their daughters either tap into unsecured wireless networks or go to a fast-food restaurant with hotspot access.

    Breakfast is a simple affair: A slice of bread. For lunch, Mr Tang opts for the cheapest hawker centre fare, like two vegetable dishes or a S$2.50 plate of chicken rice. They buy only the cheapest brands of groceries at NTUC FairPrice.

    Even then, their monthly expenses add up to over S$2,000, with a S$400 chunk going towards settling his credit card debt, of which he now owes S$19,000. And Mrs Tang, 48, needs medication for her high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes. To help with this, she gets subsidies from the Community Development Council, and about S$500 a month from her part-time job as a cashier at FairPrice.

    His eldest daughter, 18, studies accounting at the ITE, while the other is taking her O Levels. The latter's good grades have won her bursaries in the past and, though it is a luxury, she continues with the Japanese lessons she has been taking since Secondary 1. Mr Tang insists she pursue her interests, and that the pair should focus on their education rather than work part-time like many teens do.

    "You think I wouldn't send them for further education if I could?" he rasped. "But living, having food to eat, all these things are more important. They want to study, and I want to let them, but how will I do that?"

    Conscious of his mistakes in the past, he said: "I've been walking the straight and narrow. All I need is a chance, to give my family what they need, and that's all that matters."



    THE TANG FAMILY'S EXPENSES

    Total take-home pay: S$1,700 (Mr Tang) + S$500 (Mrs Tang)



    Total expenses: Up to S$2,650

    - Groceries and household expenses: Up to S$800

    - Mr Tang's expenditure eg meals, transport: Up to S$500

    - Debt servicing: S$400

    - Pocket money for daughters: S$500

    - Mobile phone plans: S$200

    - Japanese lessons for younger daughter: S$100

    - Shelter fee: S$100

    - Wife's medical bills: S$50



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    Wah! This family has $1900 pm can afford a car! If no car already can live comfortably! Also, so much help from Medaki, etc! These organization should ask them to sell away car first before helping them because car is a luxury! A poor family says a car is a necessity?

    Total expenses (approx): S$2,049

    - Food and daily needs: S$200

    - Electricity, water, gas: S$200

    - Daughter's medical bill: S$300

    - Mobile and home phone, Internet: S$200 (Need so much mah?)

    - Car instalment: S$500 (Can save all $500!)

    - Petrol and parking: S$200 (Can save 2/3 if take public transport lah!)

    - Town Council conservancy fees: S$45

    - Pocket money for eldest son: S$200 (What a spendthrift for a young boy of 15 years old!)

    - Madrasah classes for three sons: S$74

    - Husband's expenses: S$100

    - Daughter's Early Intervention Programme for Children & Infants fees: S$30

    * The two younger boys get $110 in pocket money assistance. The family also gets ad hoc rations from Fei Yue Family Service[/QUOTE]


    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    A family of six, living on S$1,900 a month
    How do those in the 'sandwiched class', who don't qualify for many assistance schemes, get by?

    Updated 01:24 PM Nov 13, 2011
    by Carolyn Quek and Yu Pei Fern [email protected]
    The first thing you notice when you enter Madam Anna's (not her real name) flat is that the handles of the metal grille gate have broken off, with two wooden blocks crudely fastened in their place.

    Her boys had been kicking a football around and damaged the gate, and to save money, the housewife and her husband decided to repair it themselves with pieces of wood someone had discarded at the void deck of their block in Choa Chu Kang.

    The "curtain" that is draped across the living room windows is in fact a piece of colourful cotton fabric pegged to the window grille. The same fabric is also used as a throw for the sofa. Instead of chairs, the family sits on wooden benches and stools.

    A large Panasonic TV and a personal desktop computer take pride of place in the living room of the flat which the family has called home for the past 10 years. Madam Anna explains that these items were given to them by her youngest brother's friend who was moving house and did not want them anymore. "Nowadays people use sophisticated TV right? But for us that one not important; can watch can already," said the 48-year-old, alluding to the fact that her TV and computer monitor are not the snazzy flat-screen type in fashion these days.

    For Madam Anna, any money saved is money that will go a long way for her family of six - they have three boys aged 15, 10 and 8 and a daughter, 3.

    Madam Anna, who studied up to Secondary 2, had previously held jobs earning about S$500 a month. But since their children came along, the family has been getting by on her 46-year-old husband's income - he works as a transport supervisor at a local tourist attraction - with the occasional extra from her selling home-made curry puffs to the provision shop downstairs.

    His salary and bonuses were enough for the family to buy a S$45,000 Toyota Vios about four years ago and make annual trips to parts of Malaysia, such as Genting Highlands and Kuala Lumpur.

    But life threw a spanner in the works when her fourth child and only daughter was born prematurely at 29 weeks. Suffering from chronic lung disease, her daughter spent most of her first year in hospital and had to undergo an operation. She is left with a hole on her stomach, which Madam Anna dresses at least twice a day.

    These days, the monthly medical expenses for the four-year-old girl - who also has developmental delay - amount to around S$300 and she requires almost round-the-clock attention from Madam Anna, making it difficult for Mum to work and supplement the family income.

    Though a huge expense, Madam Anna and her husband decided to keep the car in part because their daughter's condition meant that she fell ill easily and it was better for her not to travel via public transport.



    STUCK IN A HARD PLACE

    Families like Madam Anna fall into a sandwiched class of low-middle income Singaporeans, who are in the 11th to 20th percentile in terms of resident household income making an average of about S$2,681 a month.

    This was a group the Acting Minister for Community Development, Youth and Sports Chan Chun Sing recently expressed concern about. While not the poorest of the poor, these families are vulnerable to volatile economic tides; yet they do not qualify for many social assistance schemes because they earn too much.

    At the same time, the income of this group of Singaporeans has not risen much in the past decade. A recent paper by the Manpower Ministry and the Singapore Department of Statistics found that nominal income for Singaporeans at the 20th percentile had grown by 1.7 per cent per annum - from S$1,200 in 2001 to S$1,400 last year. After accounting for inflation, however, real income growth was "flat".

    Madam Anna's husband currently earns about S$2,300, but effectively takes home about S$1,900 after contributing to his Central Provident Fund. This money is used to pay not only for her daughter's medical expenses, but also for the children's school expenses, food, utilities, telephone and Internet bill and the monthly car instalment (see table).

    What little is left - if any - Madam Anna squirrels away in a rainy-day fund, but she admits that it is not easy and only has just over S$1,000 in savings.



    MAKING EACH CENT COUNT

    To make her husband's salary go further, Madam Anna and her family take trips twice a month to Johor Baru to stock up on groceries and clothes for her fast-growing daughter. "A dress there can cost RM10 to RM20 (S$4 to S$8), which is much cheaper than in Singapore," the housewife said.

    But, as for herself and her husband, their own appearance is "not important", she lets on, gesturing eloquently at her attire: A faded green Hang Ten Polo T-shirt that is at least 10 years old, as are most other items in her and her husband's wardrobe. Madam Anna said she could not remember the last time she bought something for herself, and she hardly wears make up now.

    When she does her weekly marketing, she goes for the inexpensive stuff, like the smaller fish and vegetables such as cabbage and kang kong. She qualified: "Of course I want the good things, but they have to be cheap."

    She admits, though, that she does give in to the occasional craving for McDonald's or KFC because her children love french fries. But that happens only every two months or so, and they try to go for the special promotions because "they are more value for money", she said.

    Home is where she and her kids spend most of their time, when they are not at school. "People like to go window shopping, but frankly, I don't like to go to shopping centres because once you set foot in the door, it means you start spending money," said Madam Anna matter-of-factly.



    PREFERENCE FOR SELF-RELIANCE

    While not being able to qualify for most financial assistance schemes, Madam Anna has been receiving basic food rations such as rice and biscuits from Fei Yue Family Service Centre on an ad-hoc basis over the past few months.

    She was referred to them through self-help group Mendaki, where her eldest son is attending tuition classes. Madam Anna's two younger sons, who are in Primary 4 and 2, have also been receiving S$55 each from a pocket money assistance scheme for the past two years. The youngest was awarded a bursary last year.

    Preferring to be self-reliant, Madam Anna said she does not go out of her way to find out what assistance schemes are available for her family. The help afforded so far, therefore, has been incidental - but she is nonetheless grateful. "I always tell myself, there is someone out there worse off than me," she said.

    She also does not want to trouble her relatives with her financial burdens because "they have their own problems".

    What about having her husband change jobs in hopes of higher pay? She said she had discouraged him from doing so. When he started out 30 years ago with the company, he was only making about S$400 a month. "For someone with Primary 6 education, it's not easy for him to earn the salary he is earning now," Madam Anna said.

    She looks forward to the day she can return to work as well. She was very keen to sign up for a customer service course that Mendaki had told her about recently, but was unable to attend because it meant too much time away from her daughter.

    Seeing her daughter get better is her main priority now, as well as ensuring her other children obtain a good education. She shared how her eldest son bucked up in his studies after being relegated to the Normal Stream in Secondary 3 - so for that reason, she says, it was "good for him to fail".

    Recently, he mooted the idea of taking up a part-time job. But Madam Anna is not keen, even if it would mean lessening the family's financial burden. "I want them to go as high as they can ... I want them to grow up and be good people."



    MADAM ANNA'S FAMILY'S MONTHLY EXPENSES

    Husband's take-home pay: S$1,900



    Total expenses (approx): S$2,049

    - Food and daily needs: S$200

    - Electricity, water, gas: S$200

    - Daughter's medical bill: S$300

    - Mobile and home phone, Internet: S$200

    - Car instalment: S$500

    - Petrol and parking: S$200

    - Town Council conservancy fees: S$45

    - Pocket money for eldest son: S$200

    - Madrasah classes for three sons: S$74

    - Husband's expenses: S$100

    - Daughter's Early Intervention Programme for Children & Infants fees: S$30

    * The two younger boys get $110 in pocket money assistance. The family also gets ad hoc rations from Fei Yue Family Service

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    Again, I found all these people's expenses to be either exaggerated or they are living in a life of more luxury than they can afford! Do they really need to spend so much and then complain they don't have enough money?

    THE TANG FAMILY'S EXPENSES

    Total take-home pay: S$1,700 (Mr Tang) + S$500 (Mrs Tang)

    Total expenses: Up to S$2,650

    - Groceries and household expenses: Up to S$800(Wah, what a luxury to spend $800 on groceries! They must have salmon, cod fish, treadfin etc expensive fish & things in here!)

    - Mr Tang's expenditure eg meals, transport: Up to S$500 (taking taxi very often? Bus may be $80, lunch may be $120 only!)

    - Debt servicing: S$400

    - Pocket money for daughters: S$500 (again, 2 young daughters need $250 each of pocket money pm? )

    - Mobile phone plans: S$200 (again, luxury!)

    - Japanese lessons for younger daughter: S$100

    - Shelter fee: S$100

    - Wife's medical bills: S$50



    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    For one family, paying off debt compels drastic measures
    by Carolyn Quek and Yu Pei Fern
    The possibility of divorce had never been raised - until 17 months ago when the family found itself without a roof over their heads.

    "It sounds horrible to put it this way," Mr Tang (not his real name) sighed uncomfortably, speaking in rapid Mandarin. "But with my current income, we don't qualify for a rental flat. If we divorce, then my wife can get one, and then they (wife and two daughters) can at least get their own home."

    He added: "I told her, 'it's just a piece of paper. It shouldn't matter how other people see you ... You only need to remember the way I see you, and love you.' "

    For the 49-year-old primary school leaver and his family, the complex chain of events - spurred by a combination of bad personal decisions and economic vicissitudes - began about four years ago.

    As a supervisor in chemical piping works, he was earning a basic wage of about S$2,000 a month. But with the economy going strong, and the company awarded big projects, he could in lucky months make as much as S$5,000 including overtime pay.

    The family had also bought and sold two HDB flats over the years, and were living in their third, a four-room flat. Then Mr Tang began racking up credit card debts - some S$21,000 over the course of a year.

    He turned to gambling in the hopes of making up the money, and instead, lost more than S$70,000.

    He declined to give details, but said he went for credit counselling afterwards. With the economy by then in the doldrums, his monthly earnings also shrank and stagnated.

    They sold their flat to cover the debts, then tried to buy a smaller flat. But Mr Tang had not realised he could not get a bank loan, the minimum income required being S$2,500. Nor did they qualify for a HDB rental flat - the household income ceiling was S$1,500, and there was a 30-month debarment period besides.

    So they ended up renting a room on the open market, at S$700 a month. Rules did not allow more than three tenants in the room, and Mr Tang had to sleep in the park, a memory that still brings tears of frustration and humiliation to recount.

    For the past two months now, the family has been living in a transitional shelter provided by New Hope Community Services, sharing a three-room flat in Boon Lay with another family of three. New Hope provides them with some food rations.

    One of the things Mr Tang did when they moved out was to throw away all their appliances and belongings.

    "Those things are part of another life," he said fiercely. "This is what we are now, no use hanging on to the past."

    They have brought along the bare necessities: Their clothes which hang in a small cupboard, two laptops for their daughters' education and their mobile phones (even though the phone subscription plans add up to S$200 a month, Mr Tang says he feels more secure with them). Should they need to use the Internet, their daughters either tap into unsecured wireless networks or go to a fast-food restaurant with hotspot access.

    Breakfast is a simple affair: A slice of bread. For lunch, Mr Tang opts for the cheapest hawker centre fare, like two vegetable dishes or a S$2.50 plate of chicken rice. They buy only the cheapest brands of groceries at NTUC FairPrice.

    Even then, their monthly expenses add up to over S$2,000, with a S$400 chunk going towards settling his credit card debt, of which he now owes S$19,000. And Mrs Tang, 48, needs medication for her high blood pressure, high cholesterol and diabetes. To help with this, she gets subsidies from the Community Development Council, and about S$500 a month from her part-time job as a cashier at FairPrice.

    His eldest daughter, 18, studies accounting at the ITE, while the other is taking her O Levels. The latter's good grades have won her bursaries in the past and, though it is a luxury, she continues with the Japanese lessons she has been taking since Secondary 1. Mr Tang insists she pursue her interests, and that the pair should focus on their education rather than work part-time like many teens do.

    "You think I wouldn't send them for further education if I could?" he rasped. "But living, having food to eat, all these things are more important. They want to study, and I want to let them, but how will I do that?"

    Conscious of his mistakes in the past, he said: "I've been walking the straight and narrow. All I need is a chance, to give my family what they need, and that's all that matters."



    THE TANG FAMILY'S EXPENSES

    Total take-home pay: S$1,700 (Mr Tang) + S$500 (Mrs Tang)



    Total expenses: Up to S$2,650

    - Groceries and household expenses: Up to S$800

    - Mr Tang's expenditure eg meals, transport: Up to S$500

    - Debt servicing: S$400

    - Pocket money for daughters: S$500

    - Mobile phone plans: S$200

    - Japanese lessons for younger daughter: S$100

    - Shelter fee: S$100

    - Wife's medical bills: S$50



    URL http://www.todayonline.com/Sunday/SundaySpecial/EDC111113-0000009/A-family-of-six,-living-on-S$1,900-a-month
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    This thread is actually should be:
    How to own a property and retire at 55 years old!

    The method only suitable for those earning at least $2.5k pm income assuming a family of 4. Below $2.5k pm, I am afraid the above is not achievable as they can't even save much let alone own a property!

    Rule Number 1:
    - Never ever buy a car!

    Rule Number 2:
    - Spend <50% of what you earned! (this rule damned difficult to achieve! I also can't achieve it (although I achieve close to that). It is natural to spend more when we earn more but try lah! )

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    I know of one family where -
    Children don't like vacations - prefer playing at home. Intelligent and don't require any tuition. Not the demanding type.
    Wifey - actually likes working. Less time to go shopping.
    Husband - don't smoke, gambles moderately, drinks socially.
    So can save >50% eventhough has a car.

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    U can hv more children only if u can afford it....
    both in term of $ and time....
    else, all suffer together

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    Discipline and temperament important.
    Spend < Earn.
    Don't be so jealous of other people.
    Try to invest prudently.

    But many don't have the right values/traits - even professionals like lawyers/doctors can get into financial issues from over-spending.

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    Once married, tend to take lesser risks....

    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore....

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    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore...
    Very dangerous! That means the person can also destined to work for life! Cannot retire until they drop dead! Worse still, want to work also nobody want to employ them! People should just aim to retire at 55 years old!

    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    Once married, tend to take lesser risks....

    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore....

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    I agree totally.
    People's minds are shaped by false awareness.
    Work till 72, banks extend 40 yr mortgages, etc.

    Good to have credit options but must think for yourself...do you want to be hostage to an employer till past 50, do you want to have a mortgage over your head till your 70's?


    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore...
    Very dangerous! That means the person can also destined to work for life! Cannot retire until they drop dead! Worse still, want to work also nobody want to employ them! People should just aim to retire at 55 years old!

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    Once married, tend to take lesser risks....

    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore....
    LOL. it doesn't sound like u....

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore...
    Very dangerous! That means the person can also destined to work for life! Cannot retire until they drop dead! Worse still, want to work also nobody want to employ them! People should just aim to retire at 55 years old!
    Dare not take risk anymore = very high risk if with 3 children ... next time 3 children will be paying 1 million dollar HDB and come back asking for $$$ to do downpayment

    And we are in high inflationary period, putting cash in bank is sure way of losing money, SG government should really list TIPS (inflation protected securities), such securities can invest in REITs and corporate bonds to hedge against inflation

    We have TIPS ETF for USD, one example is from Barclays:

    http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=TIP&ql=1
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    Dare not take risk anymore = very high risk if with 3 children ... next time 3 children will be paying 1 million dollar HDB and come back asking for $$$ to do downpayment

    And we are in high inflationary period, putting cash in bank is sure way of losing money
    u got it!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Once got kids, dare not take risks anymore...
    Very dangerous! That means the person can also destined to work for life! Cannot retire until they drop dead! Worse still, want to work also nobody want to employ them! People should just aim to retire at 55 years old!
    I am aim full retirement at 40 leh... Now semi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn108
    I agree totally.
    People's minds are shaped by false awareness.
    Work till 72, banks extend 40 yr mortgages, etc.

    Good to have credit options but must think for yourself...do you want to be hostage to an employer till past 50, do you want to have a mortgage over your head till your 70's?
    By the time i 60 if still around i would have sold off all pvt and bought one nice old folks studio hdb to live/die in... Enjoyed 30 years of pvt living can liao la... Almost half the lifetime... Hdb for old folks better... More neighbourliness and support network nearby.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gn108
    I know of one family where -
    Children don't like vacations - prefer playing at home. Intelligent and don't require any tuition. Not the demanding type.
    Wifey - actually likes working. Less time to go shopping.
    Husband - don't smoke, gambles moderately, drinks socially.
    So can save >50% eventhough has a car.
    Hey, sounds a bit like my family.
    My kids dislike vacations, in fact they dread them.
    However they require tuition. As long as they have the latest computer gadgets, they are satisified.
    I also don't shop very much, only when i need something then i go shopping.
    I also don't like to travel as I do not have the luxury of a maid when I travel.
    My hubby doesn't smoke, drink nor gamble.
    He just lurves his xbox and computer.
    We hardly eat out and we don't wear designer clothes nor carry designer bags.
    In summary, we are a cyber family.
    We live in a virtual world during our free time.
    It is not only economical but we get to enjoy the comfort of home.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttercarp
    .....
    In summary, we are a cyber family.
    We live in a virtual world during our free time.
    ......
    dont tell me even when all family members at home, or even side by side,you all communicate using instant messengers / BBM?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    dont tell me even when all family members at home, or even side by side,you all communicate using instant messengers / BBM?
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    dont tell me even when all family members at home, or even side by side,you all communicate using instant messengers / BBM?
    LOL .

    You are quite right.
    If I call out to my kids and hubby and they can't hear me, i use WhatsApp, IM to communicate with them.
    If side by side then, no.... unless i need to ask them a private question.

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    Good for you! However, don't retire so early lah otherwise will become a "stone" by the time you are 70+ years old from inactivity.....

    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi
    I am aim full retirement at 40 leh... Now semi...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    Good for you! However, don't retire so early lah otherwise will become a "stone" by the time you are 70+ years old from inactivity.....
    Fully agree! I try to keep mind active here and go swim/gym 2-3 times a week and keep abreast of the industry I was in...

    Also considering volunteer work... Am not an ambitious corporate ladder climber by nature. Need to see purpose in what i do...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi
    Fully agree! I try to keep mind active here and go swim/gym 2-3 times a week and keep abreast of the industry I was in...
    Retirement is no joke.
    It is bad for the mind.
    An idle mind is the devil's workshop.
    Perhaps you can work for leisure or charity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttercarp
    An idle mind is the devil's workshop.
    hmm devil is a sensitive word...

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    hmm devil is a sensitive word...
    Sorry i know, but it is a known English proverb.
    It is found in the Handbook of Proverbs by H.G. Bohn, a British.

    Perhaps a better way of saying would be "idleness is the root of all evil".

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    When I say "retire at 55 years old", please don't really retire and do nothing! Don't blame me if you become a "stone"!
    I mean you have no need for your job, and can afford to take life easy, have a leisurely life style, and have some time to go out there to do some charity or voluntary work! Help the real needy (not those who complain and complain because they over-spent or want the luxuries that others have! )
    Just like those who complain & complain that properties too expensive now, but once they had bought they would complain why their properties' prices never go up after LKY said "Never sell your HDB properties" (interpreted to mean property prices will go up in long term)!

    There are also those "water ghosts" wanting to scaring you into selling chip chip to them and once they bought they will say "properties sure rise 50% in next 3 years...blah blah blah"!

    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    This thread is actually should be:
    How to own a property and retire at 55 years old!

    The method only suitable for those earning at least $2.5k pm income assuming a family of 4. Below $2.5k pm, I am afraid the above is not achievable as they can't even save much let alone own a property!

    Rule Number 1:
    - Never ever buy a car!

    Rule Number 2:
    - Spend <50% of what you earned! (this rule damned difficult to achieve! I also can't achieve it (although I achieve close to that). It is natural to spend more when we earn more but try lah! )

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    All sorts of people around with hidden agendas. Well I don't dare to think about retirement at 40 but definitely semi-retirement or something so can enjoy life instead of being slave to your lifestyle by working and working to earn sufficiently to feed your wants and desires... Semi retirement would also allow one to engage in more meaning activities in life...

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    My father in law, 94 this year, still working, and been working for almost 80 years.

    Me, retired at 54

    My girl, now 26, wants to retire at 30

    LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    My father in law, 94 this year, still working, and been working for almost 80 years.

    Me, retired at 54

    My girl, now 26, wants to retire at 30

    LOL
    either live off from her rich dad or husband...LOL

    ur FIL still so strong ar? i prolly cant walk anymore at 90!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    My father in law, 94 this year, still working, and been working for almost 80 years.

    Me, retired at 54

    My girl, now 26, wants to retire at 30

    LOL
    very easy explanation
    Your father-in-law's father is poor, hence he is still working at 94
    Your father is rich, hence you can retire at 54
    Your girl's father is even richer, hence she wants to retire at 30.

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