Is it ok i use the condo facilities while still renting out?

[royconago]

Hi ALL

I will like to hear your opinion whether do ppl normally return to their condo to use the facilities while still renting out? like swimming/gym/carpark?

Thanks


Rgds
Roy

[Regulators]

Of course you can, you can even park your car there if you want.

[Laguna]

No way as all entitlements are transferred to tenants and all stated in the bye law
some condo even limit the number where residents can bring in their guests during peak and non peak
some even dun allow yr frn's children to take up swimming lessons

[DC33_2008]

Normally one cannot use the facilities once it is rented out. But ....

[proud owner]

Of course you can, you can even park your car there if you want.

really depends ...

some tenants dont drive .. so you can use the carpark allotment

and if you only give 2 out of 3/4 residents pass ..then of course you can use the facilities ..


also depend on the mgtm office and the condo itself ..

new condos limited parking and facilities so the more strict .. if you have rented out ..at most you can go in and out of condo .. and not allowed to park o/n or use facilities

older condos .. usually have more than sufficient parking and bigger land = more facilities ...hence landlord can come and go as if they stiill live there

[Regulators]

Older condos more flexible, maybe perhaps I don't own any new condos or tiny apartments with hardly space to take a nice stroll. You may rent out your unit, but if you have the resident card and walk around using the facilities, nobody would chase you out. You can also be considered a friend of the tenant who is entitled to use the facilities

[DC33_2008]

Not true. New condos only possible. It is all about the MC.

[royconago]

for parking wise, i am considering to use the parking facility if only my tenant doesn't drive and i am holding the condo decal. So i am entering with condo decal but then officially, i am not a resident.

If i go in to park (daytime) and drive out (night time) everyday, i am sure the security guard very soon will come to conclusion. I suppose it depend whether do they want to enforce or not right? even if i don't drive in to park but just walk in (with my pass) to use the gym or pool, is it ok?

[DC33_2008]

It ok! They will just think that you work night shift.

for parking wise, i am considering to use the parking facility if only my tenant doesn't drive and i am holding the condo decal. So i am entering with condo decal but then officially, i am not a resident.

If i go in to park (daytime) and drive out (night time) everyday, i am sure the security guard very soon will come to conclusion. I suppose it depend whether do they want to enforce or not right?

[blackjack21trader]

Hi ALL

I will like to hear your opinion whether do ppl normally return to their condo to use the facilities while still renting out? like swimming/gym/carpark?

Thanks


Rgds
Roy

dear brother royconago.. your very humble brother here owns a few condos, but I have never enjoyed any of the facillities. You can actually join a country club to enjoy such facillities. It is not adviseable to use the premises even if your MCST allows you. How so? In the event of any damages even not done by you ( READ THIS CAREFULLY A FEW TIMES TO GET THE ACTUAL MEANING HOR ), you dun want to be blamed for anything or kena any investigation lor. Especially with all the CCTVs around to prove your participation in using the facillity la.

Good Luck.

[Regulators]

If residents are entitled to two cars, you got no issue, if only one car and your tenant is driving, then it becomes a problem. As for facilities, you can notify the tenant that you would come back to use the facilities of and on and that should suffice. If management check with tenant, he can easily say you are his guest

for parking wise, i am considering to use the parking facility if only my tenant doesn't drive and i am holding the condo decal. So i am entering with condo decal but then officially, i am not a resident.

If i go in to park (daytime) and drive out (night time) everyday, i am sure the security guard very soon will come to conclusion. I suppose it depend whether do they want to enforce or not right?

[royconago]

dear brother royconago.. your very humble brother here owns a few condos, but I have never enjoyed any of the facillities. You can actually join a country club to enjoy such facillities. It is not adviseable to use the premises even if your MCST allows you. How so? In the event of any damages even not done by you, you dun want to be blamed for anything. Especially with all the CCTVs around to prove your participation in using the facillity la.

Good Luck.

Hi blackjack21trader

Thanks for your information. yup, i am aware i may sound/going to act like a typical kiasu singapore that is why i asked the general opinion before acting.
I agreed that joining a gym or club is easy.

I heard you.

[phantom_opera]

It is a balance lah ... if management is too nice .. end up the facilities are so crowded and become less exclusive ... now the new condo swimming pool so small already, how to handle tenants + owners + owners relatives + owners colleagues + owners Malaysia/Indonesia relatives

See what happen to Marina Bay Sands pool at sky garden ... no more kaypoh people look see look see after complaint from hotel guests

[teddybear]

NO.
Standard regulations used by all condos & estate managing agents (by default) is that once you tenant out your unit, you transferred all rights of use in the estate to the tenant. Even if your tenant doesn't drive, you are not allowed to hog a residents' car park space in the estate. You park in Visitors' car park lot and not "Residents" car park lot (note: Condos label underground car park as "Residents' car park" and not "Owners' car park"! That already tell you why right?).

You are not allowed, by right, to use the facilities in the estate as well. Obviously, there are people who don't follow the rules. It is up to the estate managing agents whether they will enforce the rules or not. Such rules can be enforced if they want.

Hi ALL

I will like to hear your opinion whether do ppl normally return to their condo to use the facilities while still renting out? like swimming/gym/carpark?

Thanks


Rgds
Roy

[Regulators]

there are rules to follow no doubt, but it doesn't stop tenant from making landlord his guest and allowing landlord to come back and use facilities. I tell all my tenants that I may go back off and on to use the facilities if I am in the vicinity and they all say no problem to that. I never had any issue with management that see me around in the gym even though they know I rented out my unit.

[royconago]

NO.
Standard regulations used by all condos & estate managing agents (by default) is that once you tenant out your unit, you transferred all rights of use in the estate to the tenant. Even if your tenant doesn't drive, you are not allowed to hog a residents' car park space in the estate. You park in Visitors' car park lot and not "Residents" car park lot (note: Condos label underground car park as "Residents' car park" and not "Owners' car park"! That already tell you why right?).

You are not allowed, by right, to use the facilities in the estate as well. Obviously, there are people who don't follow the rules. It is up to the estate managing agents whether they will enforce the rules or not. Such rules can be enforced if they want.

Hi teddybear

All you have said are stating the obvious. The rule is NO (Who doesn't know that?)

My question revolve around, hearing your opinion (not hearing you repeat the black and white rule to me) whether do ppl normally return to their condo to use the facilities while still renting out? like swimming/gym/carpark?

Relax lah, TGIF

[mcmlxxvi]

As in anything and everything, you can go against the rules. Just dont get caught... And be prepared to face the consequences if you do.

[teddybear]

Normally? Not sure, at least not in my estate.
Only heard that such things is normal in mass market projects beside & near HDB flats.
Real cheapos indeed!

Hi teddybear

All you have said are stating the obvious. The rule is NO (Who doesn't know that?)

My question revolve around, hearing your opinion (not hearing you repeat the black and white rule to me) whether do ppl normally return to their condo to use the facilities while still renting out? like swimming/gym/carpark?

Relax lah, TGIF

[royconago]

Normally? Not sure, at least not in my estate.
Only heard that such things is normal in mass market projects beside & near HDB flats.
Real cheapos indeed!

Thanks for your feedback.

[ahkongkid]

Thanks for your feedback.

imagine all landlords do the same. whole condo damn crowded. bbq pits constantly fully booked. parking lots also not enuff.

[Regulators]

What is so cheapo about using facilities in the condos you buy? Are those relatives and friends who use the facilities in your condo cheapos as well? Why can't tenants and landlords become friends whether in ccr, rcr or ocr since I have condos in all 3 zones?

Normally? Not sure, at least not in my estate.
Only heard that such things is normal in mass market projects beside & near HDB flats.
Real cheapos indeed!

[teddybear]

Seems like this is happening in many mass market condos projects. Because many owners want to do the same, so majority wins! Estate managing agent won't be able to enforce, MCST can't pass regulation to enforce. End up nobody interested to be in MCST (how to be in MCST when you are not resident and you breaking the rules? Those resident owners also not interested because difficult job, can't enforce proper rules & allowing improper things to carry on, do for what?! ) and nobody cares. Estate even before 10 years is like a slam!

imagine all landlords do the same. whole condo damn crowded. bbq pits constantly fully booked. parking lots also not enuff.

[ahkongkid]

Exactly.

Seems like this is happening in many mass market condos projects. Because many owners want to do the same, so majority wins! Estate managing agent won't be able to enforce, MCST can't pass regulation to enforce. End up nobody interested to be in MCST (how to be in MCST when you are not resident and you breaking the rules? Those resident owners also not interested because difficult job, can't enforce proper rules & allowing improper things to carry on, do for what?! ) and nobody cares. Estate even before 10 years is like a slam!

[royconago]

What is so cheapo about using facilities in the condos you buy? Are those relatives and friends who use the facilities in your condo cheapos as well? Why can't tenants and landlords become friends whether in ccr, rcr or ocr since I have condos in all 3 zones?

Hi Regulator

No need work up with individual opinion. Teddybear is just sharing her/his opinion. What he/she shouldn't do is to label ppl like me by name (call me cheapo)

I know the rule is NO, i am just using this platform to make a survey. no need to call name lah so that our discussion more effective that way.

At the end of the day, if its against public opinion and not so nice to use, it is ok i don't use and sign up a countryclub membership. teddybear, my proposal swee bo? (i know i am using singlish extensively but pls don't label me ah beng)

The situation is that, the tenanted condo is right infront of my landed, and getting across the condo to use facilities is so much more convenient than driving to club. Its in district 10.

[bargain hunter]

bo swee. like that u make teddy very bang lah. he defends CCR with his life and with an atas reputation.

ur D10 address really make it bo swee for him lah. hahahahahaha

Hi Regulator

No need work up with individual opinion. Teddybear is just sharing her/his opinion. What he/she shouldn't do is to label ppl like me by name (call me cheapo)

I know the rule is NO, i am just using this platform to make a survey. no need to call name lah so that our discussion more effective that way.

At the end of the day, if its against public opinion and not so nice to use, it is ok i don't use and sign up a countryclub membership. teddybear, my proposal swee bo? (i know i am using singlish extensively but pls don't label me ah beng)

The situation is that, the tenanted condo is right infront of my landed, and getting across the condo to use facilities is so much more convenient than driving to club. Its in district 10.

[royconago]

bo swee. like that u make teddy very bang lah. he defends CCR with his life and with an atas reputation.

ur D10 address really make it bo swee for him lah. hahahahahaha

Hi Bargain hunter

Its good that you introduce some humour and make it lively.

Relax, its TGIF, I still like to hear from other point of view.

[peterng8]

Carpark i know can if tenant not driving (if MSCT is lenient enough)but the rest u mentioned 'No' ...can talk to MSCT of your condo and try to convince them lo...

Hi ALL

I will like to hear your opinion whether do ppl normally return to their condo to use the facilities while still renting out? like swimming/gym/carpark?

Thanks


Rgds
Roy

[teddybear]

Ultimately a lot depends on the behaviour of the owners and residents. If they are considerate, they will not allow such thing to happen. Imagine many owners tenant out the unit, come back with their families, friends, and relatives to use the condo facilities?
Add this to the residents and their families, friends, and relatives coming to use the condo facilities?
You think condos are built with sufficient facilities to cater for so many people when almost the other half from the non-resident owners are not suppose to be there in the first place (according to the condo estate regulations)?

If you want to insist that you are friends of tenants, this is up to you. I rarely hear that landlords want to be friends of tenants, what more with intention of coming back to use the facilities?

What is so cheapo about using facilities in the condos you buy? Are those relatives and friends who use the facilities in your condo cheapos as well? Why can't tenants and landlords become friends whether in ccr, rcr or ocr since I have condos in all 3 zones?

[bargain hunter]

if u hadn't been reading the earlier posts before ur first posting in august, u could potentially start a teddy vs regulator war.

a real life example but not sure if useful to u: i know of a friend who owned a property in D11 and had a tenant. he continued to book the tennis courts online. one day, the tenant decided to play tennis but found that the quota for the week was already used up. he went to ask the management. my friend had his online ID terminated. Ie he no longer had any access to anything. prob can continue to use the pool and gym as some other bros had said.

Hi Bargain hunter

Its good that you introduce some humour and make it lively.

Relax, its TGIF, I still like to hear from other point of view.

[nochoice]

[QUOTE=teddybear]NO.
Standard regulations used by all condos & estate managing agents (by default) is that once you tenant out your unit, you transferred all rights of use in the estate to the tenant. Even if your tenant doesn't drive, you are not allowed to hog a residents' car park space in the estate. You park in Visitors' car park lot and not "Residents" car park lot (note: Condos label underground car park as "Residents' car park" and not "Owners' car park"! That already tell you why right?).

Actually, there is a way, my last condo management also very strict, although my tenant do not drive, I'm not allowed to have a car lot, so at the end I ask my tenant to apply the car park lot for me using my number plate.