Originally Posted by buttercarp
Divine
Newbie
i was wondering, at 12xxpsf leasehold prop still got upside or not?
the upside is taken by the developer already....
Senior
In the short term, nobody knows for sure, depending on the international economic landscape. Anyway, for the long term, prices will still rise. With recent CMs, short term view is no longer logical. Like HDB, must have at least 4 to 5 years view. Stretch that longer to 10 years and I suspect you will see upside le...i was wondering, at 12xxpsf leasehold prop still got upside or not?
the upside is taken by the developer already....
Junior
You are already drinking Newater so you should be immune to recycled human waste.
In any case, unless you have a garden unit, you won't be at risk of this water flowing in.
Should worry more about the spirits flowing in than the water flowing in (or did I miss the point and actually the "water" is referring to the spirits?)
Banned
Went to the show flat. Was extremely diasppointed with Hong Leong and CDL gang....a real bunch of blood suckers....no difference from Far East. Heard on radio advertisment that says very well utilisation of space and thus still look spacious. The common bedrooms sizes actually very small....even if you try pushing bed to wall to try squeeze 2 beds, still a tough fit. In addition, ceiling height only 2.8m....at least Far East projects has higher ceiling height. 100sqm for 3 bedders....n 1250psf. Even more disgusting is that Kwek keep telling the media he got a strong balance sheet and will not lower price. Think the general public should seriously give other property developers a second look and stay away from Hong Leong and Far East. Say no to exorbitant pricing and product.i was wondering, at 12xxpsf leasehold prop still got upside or not?
the upside is taken by the developer already....
Newbie
In my earlier post i had already mention abt the small room sizes by reading the floor plans - i will not touch this project - went to have a look at Archipelago - the layout much better with all rooms able to fit in 2 single or 1 queen and in mbr king bed. new mrt stn coming up abt 5 to 10 min walk - so seems a better deal as prices on avg 1k psf and with many nearby amentities
Newbie
Does developer provide dimensions of the unit? I know HDB does.
Senior
As evidence that the mass residential market is still buoyant, Bartley Residences, located next to Bartley MRT Station, sold 210 units out of the 240 units released to date.
Divine
Is it just me or does anyone else feel that Bartley Residences's ads on Straits times is a complete failure?
Doesnt show or illustrate anything on the project other than a school boy taking the circle line which takes up half a page.
Senior
The TV advert is even more hilarious... the boy grew up with that iconic tree and draws a pix of it... wow... how is that enticing to people who don't understand or even appreciate the significance of that tree?
Newbie
But it still sell like hot cake leh. In the end, near MRT sells lah. People don't even care if the ads are bad. They just want near MRT, period!
Global recession is coming....
Why I still can't see dimensions on the new launch's floor plans?
I thought it is already mandatory or when start to be mandatory?
In fact, some of the old condos floor plans got size in "sqm" or "sqft" shown for every bedrooms, living+dinning room, kitchen, yard size etc!
Divine
It is not exactly selling like hot cakes lar. All those who've been to the show flat will know that the "250 launched" units is just to make it sound nice on the papers. They have already released all units since day 1 of the pre-launch. You are able to choose from any units in the entire development.
Divine
hahaha! Yes! Doesn't even show the landscaping, number of blocks/units/size or anything else. Maybe the School boy's Hong Leong's sonThe TV advert is even more hilarious... the boy grew up with that iconic tree and draws a pix of it... wow... how is that enticing to people who don't understand or even appreciate the significance of that tree?
Senior
precisely. URA said long ago new showflat rules, new floor plan rules by H2 2011. almost a year has passed since then! dunno why is it so difficult to come out with some simple transparency!
Why I still can't see dimensions on the new launch's floor plans?
I thought it is already mandatory or when start to be mandatory?
In fact, some of the old condos floor plans got size in "sqm" or "sqft" shown for every bedrooms, living+dinning room, kitchen, yard size etc!
Global recession is coming....
See, that is the problem. They the govt agencies always come out with some rules & regulations but nobody follow and they don't care!
The so-called "transparency" will open the eyes of many people who got cash and choice between new launch and resale condos! Developers very scared! Otherwise how to draw floor plans with "shrunk" size Queen size beds (you saw those bedrooms with a bed and 2 pillows? You thought wow so nice, can accomodate a Queen size bed but little did they know that is really a size smaller than a "double-single" bed!) Even a "single" size bed also can be shrunk! Built over bay-windows in show-flats!
Senior
problem is, the rules are not even laid out yet! they only said look into it and will try to implement in H2 2011.
See, that is the problem. They the govt agencies always come out with some rules & regulations but nobody follow and they don't care!
The so-called "transparency" will open the eyes of many people who got cash and choice between new launch and resale condos! Developers very scared! Otherwise how to draw floor plans with "shrunk" size Queen size beds (you saw those bedrooms with a bed and 2 pillows? You thought wow so nice, can accomodate a Queen size bed but little did they know that is really a size smaller than a "double-single" bed!) Even a "single" size bed also can be shrunk! Built over bay-windows in show-flats!
Newbie
i had visited the show flat... but it is not for me.
Senior
Developers are hiding their many undesirable factors of this project such as small sized rooms, congestion and high psf, behind all the advertisement plus hype about this project from media, etc. As I always advocate, better to consider the landed or FH condos nearby... then again this project might appeal to some people coz of proximity to MRT...
Global recession is coming....
H2 2011 is long over?
Senior
174 sold in feb at 1260psf median.
Newbie
Heard that 200 units sold todate. Not very impressive. So what went wrong?
Senior
First few new condos in that area and near mrt?
Divine
Shows that people not only go for Condos with MRT. malls within the vicinity are also important. Nearest for bartley will be Nex. Condos around potong pasir and woodleigh did better perhaps cause the North East line serves more people ? 8 mins to orchard is another bonus
Newbie
I personally think the Bartley Residences pricing is too high.
Guess that all the better units / more affordable units have been taken up - rest of the units likely to take some time to sell given the many competing projects being offered around the same time and new ones to be launched.
Be Heard, not the Herd
I would have thought that this would be a sell out too given the MRT location. Is this the start of a softening market where even MRT located projects are not necessarily a sell out?
Or people would rather go for cheaper alternatives such as minton when the price gap becomes too far apart i.e. buyers resistance settling in?
Newbie
wonder how are they going to sell? Lower price possible?
Be Heard, not the Herd
Someone mentioned patience. Maybe when people see that Sky Highbitat price, then this one will be cheap and all flock back again..
Senior
There are hardly any amenities. If you are hungry at night, you can only suck thumb. At $1200 psf this performance is not too bad because there are quite a lot of big units.
Newbie
never see any more of their advertisement in the papers after the launch.
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