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    Wealthy foreigners can't 'buy' PR status anymore

    MAS ending scheme allowing those who parked $10m here to fast-track applications

    (SINGAPORE) The Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) will roll up and put away one red carpet for rich foreigners aiming for permanent residence (PR) here, amid criticism of the influx of immigrants and its impact on asset prices, sources have told BT.

    Wealthy foreigners who want their PR application expedited will now have to apply under a different scheme for well-heeled entrepreneurs from abroad who invest in businesses here.

    The first programme, known as the Financial Investor Scheme (FIS), will be scrapped by the end of this month, sources told BT on Monday. MAS later confirmed that it is putting an end to the scheme.

    Since 2004, FIS has allowed high net worth individuals from overseas with net personal assets of $20 million - and at least $10 million of assets held in Singapore for five years - to get onto a fast track and apply for PR status through private banks or other financial institutions via MAS.

    The minimum sum of $10 million was already doubled in 2010 from $5 million, as part of the government's move to curb the flow of immigrants.
    Up to $2 million of the $10 million that these wealthy foreigners park here can be used to buy private residential property.

    Now that this scheme is being axed, wealthy foreigners can still apply for PR status under the Global Investor Programme (GIP) - a scheme that allows entrepreneurs from abroad to obtain PR.

    Unlike FIS, where assets held in Singapore are the main criterion, GIP is aimed at entrepreneurs who have a track record in corporate circles, and is a scheme that can boost employment locally.

    Banks are understood to have received notices from the central bank last Friday. No public announcement was made by MAS - which puts banks in a slight fix as clients have to be properly informed, especially if they want their PR applications processed.

    Sources told BT that banks have until April 15 to submit the names of prospective applicants, and until the end of this month to provide full details to MAS.

    'My speculation is that this has to do with the issues surrounding immigration and property prices,' said one market watcher in the banking industry.

    A small knock-on effect may be felt by the private banking and wealth management sectors, with DBS Treasures still advertising its services to help with PR applications under FIS.

    One source said that the number of private banking clients coming through his bank's doors as a result of FIS has been minimal. But clients could have applied through several banks if they hold multiple private banking accounts.

    A property player noted that from anecdotal evidence, there has been a slowdown in the approval of applications, and a higher rejection rate.
    He observed that there was a spike in the number of such foreigners applying via FIS in 2007, when work on the two casinos began, and as Singapore started developing its private banking sector.

    But a PR application that was previously approved in four months may now take 12 months, said the source.

    'Why should it be so difficult for the high net worth individuals to come, though? It's already such an expensive PR process,' the source said.
    In an emailed response to BT yesterday, MAS confirmed that FIS will be removed, but declined to provide details on the number of PR applicants under the scheme.

    MAS did not directly respond to queries on how Singapore's recent review of immigration policies and asset bubbles has impacted this decision.

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    Hearsay: Lots of PRCs making last minute applications to meet the deadline, e.g. parking money with FI. Private bankers very busy. PRCs prefer to get a PR somewhere as a fall-back plan in case their hardearned money get "confiscated" by communist govt in future, and SG easiest to get PR. Maybe this month transaction more than $2 million ($2 million can be in property) will spike? Keke. But sure will affect the prices in the future.

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    After Singapore is being ranked 5th by High net-worth individual in the recent survey, Singapore is probably coming up with another scheme by stopping the FIS. Can request from more and higher stake from this group of people. I thought it is better for the luxury and GCB.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    Wealthy foreigners can't 'buy' PR status anymore

    MAS ending scheme allowing those who parked $10m here to fast-track applications

    (SINGAPORE) The Monetary Authority of Singapore (MAS) will roll up and put away one red carpet for rich foreigners aiming for permanent residence (PR) here, amid criticism of the influx of immigrants and its impact on asset prices, sources have told BT.

    Wealthy foreigners who want their PR application expedited will now have to apply under a different scheme for well-heeled entrepreneurs from abroad who invest in businesses here.

    The first programme, known as the Financial Investor Scheme (FIS), will be scrapped by the end of this month, sources told BT on Monday. MAS later confirmed that it is putting an end to the scheme.

    Since 2004, FIS has allowed high net worth individuals from overseas with net personal assets of $20 million - and at least $10 million of assets held in Singapore for five years - to get onto a fast track and apply for PR status through private banks or other financial institutions via MAS.

    The minimum sum of $10 million was already doubled in 2010 from $5 million, as part of the government's move to curb the flow of immigrants.
    Up to $2 million of the $10 million that these wealthy foreigners park here can be used to buy private residential property.

    Now that this scheme is being axed, wealthy foreigners can still apply for PR status under the Global Investor Programme (GIP) - a scheme that allows entrepreneurs from abroad to obtain PR.

    Unlike FIS, where assets held in Singapore are the main criterion, GIP is aimed at entrepreneurs who have a track record in corporate circles, and is a scheme that can boost employment locally.

    Banks are understood to have received notices from the central bank last Friday. No public announcement was made by MAS - which puts banks in a slight fix as clients have to be properly informed, especially if they want their PR applications processed.

    Sources told BT that banks have until April 15 to submit the names of prospective applicants, and until the end of this month to provide full details to MAS.

    'My speculation is that this has to do with the issues surrounding immigration and property prices,' said one market watcher in the banking industry.

    A small knock-on effect may be felt by the private banking and wealth management sectors, with DBS Treasures still advertising its services to help with PR applications under FIS.

    One source said that the number of private banking clients coming through his bank's doors as a result of FIS has been minimal. But clients could have applied through several banks if they hold multiple private banking accounts.

    A property player noted that from anecdotal evidence, there has been a slowdown in the approval of applications, and a higher rejection rate.
    He observed that there was a spike in the number of such foreigners applying via FIS in 2007, when work on the two casinos began, and as Singapore started developing its private banking sector.

    But a PR application that was previously approved in four months may now take 12 months, said the source.

    'Why should it be so difficult for the high net worth individuals to come, though? It's already such an expensive PR process,' the source said.
    In an emailed response to BT yesterday, MAS confirmed that FIS will be removed, but declined to provide details on the number of PR applicants under the scheme.

    MAS did not directly respond to queries on how Singapore's recent review of immigration policies and asset bubbles has impacted this decision.

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    I think there is another scheme - if they invest in businesses - I'm sure there will be fast-track. The problem is these PRCs are buying PR status as a "back-up plan" (esp those govt officials with dodgy dealings) by buying property and just parking dormant funds here that does not add value other than cause inflation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Falcon
    Hearsay: Lots of PRCs making last minute applications to meet the deadline, e.g. parking money with FI. Private bankers very busy. PRCs prefer to get a PR somewhere as a fall-back plan in case their hardearned money get "confiscated" by communist govt in future, and SG easiest to get PR. Maybe this month transaction more than $2 million ($2 million can be in property) will spike? Keke. But sure will affect the prices in the future.
    IMO, most HNW PRCs will not be able to qualify for GIP.

    GIP is aimed at entrepreneurs who have a track record in corporate circles, and is a scheme that can boost employment locally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    IMO, most HNW PRCs will not be able to qualify for GIP.

    GIP is aimed at entrepreneurs who have a track record in corporate circles, and is a scheme that can boost employment locally.
    From BT today:

    To obtain PR status under the current terms of GIP - which was tweaked as
    recently as 2010 - foreigners must have $2.5 million invested in a new
    business entity or expansion of an existing business operation. Their
    company should have an annual turnover of at least $30 million. And these
    businessmen, from 2010, have also not been allowed to include the cost of
    buying a private home as part of their required investment.

    GIP is expected to be tweaked again soon, one source said. Foreign
    businessmen who hold PR status through GIP may have to show an annual
    million- dollar expenditure on products and services in Singapore, when the
    PR is up for renewal three or five years later.

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    Bankers told me that they do check the money (large sum, of course) to make sure it is clean before allowing them to invest. Applies to everyone.

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    1st ABSD, then strata land ban, and now scrapping FIS. I didn't xenophobia is contagious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    Bankers told me that they do check the money (large sum, of course) to make sure it is clean before allowing them to invest. Applies to everyone.
    If the bankers have dirty hands, everything else will be clean.

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    I suspect there's hordes of FT trying to get PR or buy into our properties here. And Govt knows abt it. That's why they are trying to keep them out and stop them from ruining our local Singaporean's dreams of home ownership but jacking up the prices of our homes.

    I support the Govt's move to have "productive" money in our economy by foreigners instead of just parking it passively here. At least if pumped into businesses it can help support our local economy and jobs. If just parked passively here, they can faster withdraw it and send it elsewhere easily. Not so if there is an established business. Cannot just withdraw and run.

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    This is a good move in the right direction.

    We need more foreign wealthy entrepreneurs to come over and create more jobs for the people. We do not want direct inflow of 'hot monies'. Inflation is a big threat and we do not have solution for it other than strengthening SGD which will hurt the export market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    If the bankers have dirty hands, everything else will be clean.
    Agreed. I am not sure it is possible to ensure that the money is clean. It has probably been filtered along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    I suspect there's hordes of FT trying to get PR or buy into our properties here. And Govt knows abt it. That's why they are trying to keep them out and stop them from ruining our local Singaporean's dreams of home ownership but jacking up the prices of our homes.

    I support the Govt's move to have "productive" money in our economy by foreigners instead of just parking it passively here. At least if pumped into businesses it can help support our local economy and jobs. If just parked passively here, they can faster withdraw it and send it elsewhere easily. Not so if there is an established business. Cannot just withdraw and run.
    teddybear is going to be very upset with you.

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    Mutual benefit. Look at what happen to the Standard Chartered RM in China. Got to be extra careful as this is a risk which RM has to take note.
    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    Agreed. I am not sure it is possible to ensure that the money is clean. It has probably been filtered along the way.

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    "GCB and Luxury Condo is finished"....

    haha.... teddybear, amk, ccr should be very "beh-tahan" of your this title...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    Agreed. I am not sure it is possible to ensure that the money is clean. It has probably been filtered along the way.
    Banks are the most ruthless and result oriented employers in the world. And driven by the pressure, bankers will do everything they could to help make the money clean for their clients.

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    Frankly, the rule will unlikely affect the GCB because in the first place, only $2 million of property gets counted under the FIS Scheme. It probably will affect those low/mid-end property around the $2 million mark.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    teddybear is going to be very upset with you.
    Policy not implemented by me.

    Personally I don't believe in buying luxury condo. I have lower mid-range properties which can rent out to middle management level expat. But lay-out has to be user friendly (good size bedrooms). Easier to find tenants in bad times and esp since expats are now on local terms, cannot expect them to still live in luxury condo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Falcon
    Don't think so. They are not in the GCB league.

    If it says CCR is finished, then they not happy....

    Frankly, the rule will unlikely affect the GCB because in the first place, only $2 million of property gets counted. It probably will affect those low/mid-end property around the $2 million mark.
    $2m is just to qualify as PR under FIS scheme, once you are a PR sky will be the limit.

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    I too think that GCB is not going to be affected as only local citizen is allow to buy it. As for high end condo, they are not in great shape after ABSD and this new policy from MAS is not helping.............

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    Prefer to have a spread of properties but not smaller than 950sqft (2-bedder) and furthest limit is city fringe.
    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    Policy not implemented by me.

    Personally I don't believe in buying luxury condo. I have lower mid-range properties which can rent out to middle management level expat. But lay-out has to be user friendly (good size bedrooms). Easier to find tenants in bad times and esp since expats are now on local terms, cannot expect them to still live in luxury condo.

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    No worry, I am objective person, Know sis berry very nice lady and very objective.

    There are 2 kind of luxury condos, those good location ones, good quality, good design and layout (practical ones, not those so-called top architect designing not-practical properties, good to look but not good to live in), well maintained, where you pay for quality and location VS those termed "luxury" because the price are super expensive in that locality, e.g. Thomson Grand...
    And I will never ever pay >15% premium for new launch vs resale nearby (taking into consideration 20% useless space for new launch now, even parity price also not worth it ).... Don't want to be carrot head, and don't believe there are greater fools out there to take over the baby (greater fools believers believe they are smarter than others and there will always be some idiots to take over their "babies" at higher price)....

    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    Policy not implemented by me.

    Personally I don't believe in buying luxury condo. I have lower mid-range properties which can rent out to middle management level expat. But lay-out has to be user friendly (good size bedrooms). Easier to find tenants in bad times and esp since expats are now on local terms, cannot expect them to still live in luxury condo.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    teddybear is going to be very upset with you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    Policy not implemented by me.

    Personally I don't believe in buying luxury condo. I have lower mid-range properties which can rent out to middle management level expat. But lay-out has to be user friendly (good size bedrooms). Easier to find tenants in bad times and esp since expats are now on local terms, cannot expect them to still live in luxury condo.
    When people are spending ah gong's money, they will go for First Class luxury condo. When they start paying for their own accommodation, you will find them them living in the outskirt of Singapore so that they can afford a bigger apartment.

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    What makes you believe that people living in First Class luxury condo is spending ah gong's money?
    Can't they earn themselves? They had worked hard previously and now enjoying the fruits of their labour cannot? Think your attitude is too one-sided. I can easily point a few rich men living in luxury condos and GCBs who started from scratch with no parental support (parents not rich).

    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    When people are spending ah gong's money, they will go for First Class luxury condo. When they start paying for their own accommodation, you will find them them living in the outskirt of Singapore so that they can afford a bigger apartment.

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    What is there to "beh-tahan"? Let market takes its natural course loh.... Anyway, it is not like it is bad? The moves will help create more jobs in Singapore!

    And the govt should also take necessary actions to tame the OCR private properties bubble now brewing! Resale transactions keep going down and died while new launch transactions & prices keep going up. Their policies must be skewed to favour new launch right? + banks valuations problem + developers CASH-Back loophole!

    We need more real foreign talents, just like real rich foreign PRs who can create jobs in Singapore, not those being paid <$8k pm foreigners in Singapore that are stealing the middle-income local citizens jobs! Govt should also do something these group of foreigners next!
    Don't you see the service sector is now filled with Filipinos, Chinese from China etc now? The usual excuse: Citizens don't want the job. Really? hah? Tell them to pay >=$3k pm on 8 hours shift only and see whether locals want or not? It is because of super long hours and low pay which is why no citizens want to take up these jobs!


    Quote Originally Posted by ikan bilis
    "GCB and Luxury Condo is finished"....

    haha.... teddybear, amk, ccr should be very "beh-tahan" of your this title...

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear
    What makes you believe that people living in First Class luxury condo is spending ah gong's money?
    Can't they earn themselves? They had worked hard previously and now enjoying the fruits of their labour cannot? Think your attitude is too one-sided. I can easily point a few rich men living in luxury condos and GCBs who started from scratch with no parental support (parents not rich).
    relax lah teddy, why are you so predictable? I was just talking to chiaberry about renting apartment to expat, not talking about luxury condo and GCBs.

    as for ah gong money, it is the same way how Solitaire and PPS member will often fly economy class when they are paying for their own holiday.

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    It's getting more difficult to recruit FT. There are currently job vacancies in my line and my organization. We had given job offers to 2 FT but their application to the relevant authorities were REJECTED. Reason(s) unknown. We really really need those personnel as the locals had turned down our advances even refusing to consider the $$$ offered.

    hehe put up all your antennae as to what is this job chiabery is doing that no locals want to come and work here?

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    The slew of measures lately seem to discourage higher-end potential PRs but nothing for the working level potential PRs. Given the government is intent on growing the population via assimilation of foreigners, what is the target demographic profile and why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    hehe put up all your antennae as to what is this job chiabery is doing that no locals want to come and work here?
    Prostitution ring?

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    I am against the working class PRs. These are the ones stealing jobs from local citizens!

    We need more high-end rich PRs regardless of whether they set up business or not! The fact that they can spend more already good for local consumption economy!

    Govt policy got problem again? Why like their policies make new launch private properties hit new record transactions and record prices?

    Quote Originally Posted by Rosegarden
    The slew of measures lately seem to discourage higher-end potential PRs but nothing for the working level potential PRs. Given the government is intent on growing the population via assimilation of foreigners, what is the target demographic profile and why?

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