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    This is hilarious. Competition can only be good for buyer.

    "TELL me what is more inhuman? Giving a young person an opportunity to buy an affordable first apartment in a good location, or making people cough up $1,700 psf for a 99-year leasehold residential unit in the suburbs or HDB townships?"

    That was the reaction of Oxley Holdings boss Ching Chiat Kwong when asked about recent arguments against "shoebox apartments".

    Oxley has been at the forefront of "shoebox" developments, with projects in locations within the city, in the Bukit Timah and East Coast areas and elsewhere around the island.

    But in recent weeks, these apartments have been the subject of heated debate and discussions within property and official circles.

    Two weeks ago, CapitaLand chief executive officer Liew Mun Leong said in a Bloomberg report that Singapore should curb the increasing trend of shoebox apartments.

    "I am dead against shoebox developments," he said. "The government should intervene. Singapore's land is very precious and you are wasting your scarce resources (by building shoebox apartments)."

    "It's almost inhuman, it's not good for the welfare of the family to feel that constrained," said Mr Liew, who, according to the report, grew up in a one-bedroom apartment with nine people and often slept along the corridor.

    A week earlier, the government said that it was concerned that shoebox apartments were mushrooming in the country as private home sales surged to a three-year high with record purchases of units that are smaller than 500 sq ft.

    Mr Ching said that "when a young man or woman leaves the parent's home for the first time, they want a nice affordable pad which provides adequate personal space".

    "This is a first purchase. In time, they will upgrade, as they get married, and have children. But they can leverage on this first purchase to upgrade to a larger unit. Tell me, what is inhuman about that?"

    His reference to $1,700 psf properties would not have been lost on buyers of CapitaLand's Sky Habitat in Bishan.

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    all of them talk like they are doing social service, LOL.

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    saw an advertisement by Canon in Today ... Canon project only needs 32cm space from wall to project ... and there is a beautiful lady in a prison-like environment watching the projection

    http://www.canon.com.sg/personal/pro...anguageCode=EN

    :-)
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Haha. Inhumane = $1700psf for 99LH in HDB township (i.e. Sky Habitat at Bishan).

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    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/prem...-shoebox-units

    Published June 07, 2012

    Oxley chief defends shoebox units

    By Ven Sreenivasan


    "TELL me what is more inhuman? Giving a young person an opportunity to buy an affordable first apartment in a good location, or making people cough up $1,700 psf for a 99-year leasehold residential unit in the suburbs or HDB townships?"

    That was the reaction of Oxley Holdings boss Ching Chiat Kwong when asked about recent arguments against "shoebox apartments".

    Oxley has been at the forefront of "shoebox" developments, with projects in locations within the city, in the Bukit Timah and East Coast areas and elsewhere around the island.

    But in recent weeks, these apartments have been the subject of heated debate and discussions within property and official circles.

    Two weeks ago, CapitaLand chief executive officer Liew Mun Leong said in a Bloomberg report that Singapore should curb the increasing trend of shoebox apartments.

    "I am dead against shoebox developments," he said. "The government should intervene. Singapore's land is very precious and you are wasting your scarce resources (by building shoebox apartments)."

    "It's almost inhuman, it's not good for the welfare of the family to feel that constrained," said Mr Liew, who, according to the report, grew up in a one-bedroom apartment with nine people and often slept along the corridor.

    A week earlier, the government said that it was concerned that shoebox apartments were mushrooming in the country as private home sales surged to a three-year high with record purchases of units that are smaller than 500 sq ft.

    Mr Ching said that "when a young man or woman leaves the parent's home for the first time, they want a nice affordable pad which provides adequate personal space".

    "This is a first purchase. In time, they will upgrade, as they get married, and have children. But they can leverage on this first purchase to upgrade to a larger unit. Tell me, what is inhuman about that?"

    His reference to $1,700 psf properties would not have been lost on buyers of CapitaLand's Sky Habitat in Bishan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    saw an advertisement by Canon in Today ... Canon project only needs 32cm space from wall to project ... and there is a beautiful lady in a prison-like environment watching the projection

    http://www.canon.com.sg/personal/pro...anguageCode=EN

    :-)

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    Projector for MM ... only 32cm space required
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    There are not much options in Singapore for singles below age 35 to buy an affordable home except MM units.


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    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    There are not much options in Singapore for singles below age 35 to buy an affordable home except MM units.

    what if HDB tweak the rules to allow single below 35 to buy HDB flats? How will that affect MM demand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poloclub
    what if HDB tweak the rules to allow single below 35 to buy HDB flats? How will that affect MM demand?
    HDBs will be sold out faster than you can say ferrari and KenoBiWan will get complaints from citizens everyday about the competition for a roof over their head

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    HDBs will be sold out faster than you can say ferrari and KenoBiWan will get complaints from citizens everyday about the competition for a roof over their head
    Not if they put a restriction that you cannot rent out the HDB even after MOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poloclub
    what if HDB tweak the rules to allow single below 35 to buy HDB flats? How will that affect MM demand?
    Very unlikely. One of HDB's main objectives is to provide a roof for families. That has to remain as one of its core and central aim. In fact, if given a choice, I think MND would not have allowed singles to own flats at all.

    Many of those who remain single at 35 have amassed fortunes, and they definitely can hold their own. There is no rationale to provide subsidised housing for this group.

    Whether it is based on social or commercial motives, it makes sense to move this group to the private sector as far as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    Projector for MM ... only 32cm space required
    Pico projectors more handy and generate less heat in such cramped spaces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    There are not much options in Singapore for singles below age 35 to buy an affordable home except MM units.

    Got. Old walkups in dilapidated form used to house laborers. Should have some under 600k. Freehold or 999 if lucky.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
    Got. Old walkups in dilapidated form used to house laborers. Should have some under 600k. Freehold or 999 if lucky.
    had a family friend who bought 2 30 year-old units in Geylang, smacked in where the red-light action is. quartered the entire place into pigeon holes to rent out. proclaimed it was a good investment - where to get FH properties at $0.5m. can hold for en-bloc potential or rent out.

    seemed like a good idea (though i vehemently differed) till she ran into problems of collecting rent (from shoddy tenants) and maintennance problems (plumbing, ceiling leaks)......

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    had a family friend who bought 2 30 year-old units in Geylang, smacked in where the red-light action is. quartered the entire place into pigeon holes to rent out. proclaimed it was a good investment - where to get FH properties at $0.5m. can hold for en-bloc potential or rent out.

    seemed like a good idea (though i vehemently differed) till she ran into problems of collecting rent (from shoddy tenants) and maintennance problems (plumbing, ceiling leaks)......
    Not very clever of her to not even realise the potential of such happening before committing to the purchase. I would have thought this is common sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni
    Very unlikely. One of HDB's main objectives is to provide a roof for families. That has to remain as one of its core and central aim. In fact, if given a choice, I think MND would not have allowed singles to own flats at all.

    Many of those who remain single at 35 have amassed fortunes, and they definitely can hold their own. There is no rationale to provide subsidised housing for this group.

    Whether it is based on social or commercial motives, it makes sense to move this group to the private sector as far as possible.
    Well, the reverse may also be true that many of the singles above 35 could be struggling financially...

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    well, common sense was thrown out the window when she construed that the potential for capital gains and rental was too tempting

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    Quote Originally Posted by anythingwhatever
    Well, the reverse may also be true that many of the singles above 35 could be struggling financially...
    well, these group of people can purchase 3rm HDBs eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anythingwhatever
    Well, the reverse may also be true that many of the singles above 35 could be struggling financially...
    exactly. if single have the chance of owning a affordable hdb flat at younger age, perhaps there will be a higher chance of them finding a mate and start a family.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poloclub
    exactly. if single have the chance of owning a affordable hdb flat at younger age, perhaps there will be a higher chance of them finding a mate and start a family.
    this is an assumption. owning a flat at a young age and getting married aren't exactly directly co-related

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    Quote Originally Posted by reporter2
    "TELL me what is more inhuman? Giving a young person an opportunity to buy an affordable first apartment in a good location, or making people cough up $1,700 psf for a 99-year leasehold residential unit in the suburbs or HDB townships?"

    That was the reaction of Oxley Holdings boss Ching Chiat Kwong when asked about recent arguments against "shoebox apartments".

    Both Mr Ching of Oxley Holdings and Mr Liew of CaptialLand are equally inhuman. Shoeboxes are inhuman and $1700 psf for a 99yr LH condo in Bishan is equally inhuman. Hope both of them rot in hell together.

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    good bro...both can be equally greedy.

    Just like Low Crime doesn't mean No Crime and
    High Salary doesn't mean No Corruption ...

    Quote Originally Posted by seletar
    Both Mr Ching of Oxley Holdings and Mr Liew of CaptialLand are equally inhuman. Shoeboxes are inhuman and $1700 psf for a 99yr LH condo in Bishan is equally inhuman. Hope both of them rot in hell together.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seletar
    Both Mr Ching of Oxley Holdings and Mr Liew of CaptialLand are equally inhuman. Shoeboxes are inhuman and $1700 psf for a 99yr LH condo in Bishan is equally inhuman. Hope both of them rot in hell together.
    The sad thing is that people still buy what they sell and happy with their purchases. They are actually exploiting consumers with less than desired products on the pretext of trying to appear noble.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    saw an advertisement by Canon in Today ... Canon project only needs 32cm space from wall to project ... and there is a beautiful lady in a prison-like environment watching the projection

    http://www.canon.com.sg/personal/pro...anguageCode=EN

    :-)
    Very nice look... But hor... Airport leh...
    Daft, Dafter, Dafterest!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poloclub
    exactly. if single have the chance of owning a affordable hdb flat at younger age, perhaps there will be a higher chance of them finding a mate and start a family.
    not really true..it can have a negative effect as well.
    reason being u will have more chances on ONS n promiscuity also...
    all will lead to unwanted pregnancies,abortions,unwed mums etc....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poloclub
    exactly. if single have the chance of owning a affordable hdb flat at younger age, perhaps there will be a higher chance of them finding a mate and start a family.
    Perhaps and maybe doesn't work in SG. Unless have a few clauses: must get married in 3 years or HDB returned at price bought. 1 child in 6years or evidence to procreate or the same penalty applies.

    Most singles either live happily ever after in their little haven or rent it out after getting. MND is aware.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westman
    Very nice look... But hor... Airport leh...
    She deserves a "C" grade rather than an "A" grade

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    Quote Originally Posted by seletar
    Both Mr Ching of Oxley Holdings and Mr Liew of CaptialLand are equally inhuman. Shoeboxes are inhuman and $1700 psf for a 99yr LH condo in Bishan is equally inhuman. Hope both of them rot in hell together.
    Both are reasonable people who work on free market principles. People who take risk by supporting must not complain of losses later, but should also be rewarded based on risk taking if conditions improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fiat500
    not really true..it can have a negative effect as well.
    reason being u will have more chances on ONS n promiscuity also...
    all will lead to unwanted pregnancies,abortions,unwed mums etc....
    This is very debatable. But from personal experience, I move out of my parent's place when I was in my mid 20s. Rented an apartment and got married 3 years later and started a family few year after that. (just in case you think it is shotgun case )

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