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    With all the hype around Tanah Merah these days, what are the views of the older developments in the area?

    It seems like you can still get some of these older units at around 800-900 psf even though the newer Optima/Eco are hitting 1.3K psf easily.

    Are these developments the best kept secrets in Tanah Merah?

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    Better grab while owner still sleeping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbuncle
    Better grab while owner still sleeping.
    Either that or the Tanah Merah area is dangerously overpriced!

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    looking along the eastern mrt line...kallang mrt...full house plus surrounded by geylang and its splendour...same goes for aljunied...

    payalebar...surrounded by industry....

    eunos...malay village

    kembangan...super x price

    bedok...hmm..no comment

    so whats next...tanah merah...open spaces...nice surroundings...huat ahhh

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    looking along the eastern mrt line...kallang mrt...full house plus surrounded by geylang and its splendour...same goes for aljunied...

    payalebar...surrounded by industry....

    eunos...malay village

    kembangan...super x price

    bedok...hmm..no comment

    so whats next...tanah merah...open spaces...nice surroundings...hust ahhh
    Open spaces? Not for long with the new condos sprouting up like wild mushrooms!!!
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    Latest bid for the land parcel opposite Optima went for almost 800psf, are these bargains to be picked?
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    Quote Originally Posted by leftfield
    Either that or the Tanah Merah area is dangerously overpriced!
    Yishun already hit 1300psf for skies miltonia...
    Definitely tanah merah is worth more!

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    most of the older project are leasehold except eastwood regency..maybe that explains why they are selling below 1000 psf

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    Quote Originally Posted by xtreme_46
    most of the older project are leasehold except eastwood regency..maybe that explains why they are selling below 1000 psf
    None of the new launches around there are FH anyway but that hasn't stop prices from going up!
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    Been observing the area the area and I concur w your analysis, they are selling below the pricing in the same area and my guess it largely due to them being older in age as well as larger in sizes, so maybe buyers are going for compact units w about the same quantum?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakasa2002
    Been observing the area the area and I concur w your analysis, they are selling below the pricing in the same area and my guess it largely due to them being older in age as well as larger in sizes, so maybe buyers are going for compact units w about the same quantum?
    But the design of those older condos are really dated.. Chk out Stratford

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clim1688
    But the design of those older condos are really dated.. Chk out Stratford
    Well they all are, question is what is a reasonable discount over the new launch prices in the same area? At today's prices, that's easily a 40% discount, is there an opportunity to arbitrage given the heightened awareness in the area?
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    actually i also find it strange why buyers rushing to new launch at a much higher premium to existing resale condos in the same area......maybe buyers got just enough $$$ for downpayment and they feel in the next couple of years it takes to build the new launch they can save more $$$ since no need to start pay mortgage or maybe like some caring parents.....whose children not ready to settle down they buy ahead for their kids so in next few years when their kids ready and steady can take over.......or some feel they want brand new property instead of used property

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clim1688
    But the design of those older condos are really dated.. Chk out Stratford
    I agree w u ... took a look at stratford and it wasn't really that appealing to me too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    actually i also find it strange why buyers rushing to new launch at a much higher premium to existing resale condos in the same area......maybe buyers got just enough $$$ for downpayment and they feel in the next couple of years it takes to build the new launch they can save more $$$ since no need to start pay mortgage or maybe like some caring parents.....whose children not ready to settle down they buy ahead for their kids so in next few years when their kids ready and steady can take over.......or some feel they want brand new property instead of used property
    wah, this reminds me of insurance that parents used to buy first and later when the kids start working, they 'take over' ...

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    It is not too difficult to understand the pricing difference.

    The first part, in simplistic way of looking at it.

    The older units are about 12-years old, and the new one is not ready until 5-years later. So, for an investor taking a 30-years financing:

    If he buys the older unit, then at the end of 30-years, the unit will have ran through 42 years of the 99-years leasehold. If he wants to sell then, the buyer cannot take a 30-years financing using CPF.

    On the other hand, if he buys the new unit there you can see that new buyer still can do so.

    As I mentioned before, in investing, one has to be conscious of the pool of buyers who are going to buy the unit you are investing at a high price than you paid.

    The second part.

    In today's cheap funding scenario, it is an attraction to structure the financing of a property investment as close to be like an option. Which is why MAS has been increasing the cost of this option pricing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakasa2002
    Been observing the area the area and I concur w your analysis, they are selling below the pricing in the same area and my guess it largely due to them being older in age as well as larger in sizes, so maybe buyers are going for compact units w about the same quantum?
    I tend to agree with you. So for a 1.2mio outlay, people would rather buy a new 900 sq ft unit rather than a 1400 sq ft older unit.

    The newer developments also seemed to have a much more efficient use of space, I have seen 3 bedders under 1000 sq ft and it looks quite decent!
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    Before picking up eCO, I did consider the nearby projects and set a target price for me to pick up at eCO, is not more than $1,250.

    Perhaps, I shared my reasonings :

    1. rental yield and particularly rentability : old projects will be a real challenge is the difference in rental is not significant

    2. marketability : I think, when eCO TOP or four years later, I will have a better capital gain as compared to the older projects

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    But every new condo will become old some day and lease reduces with time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Before picking up eCO, I did consider the nearby projects and set a target price for me to pick up at eCO, is not more than $1,250.

    Perhaps, I shared my reasonings :

    1. rental yield and particularly rentability : old projects will be a real challenge is the difference in rental is not significant

    2. marketability : I think, when eCO TOP or four years later, I will have a better capital gain as compared to the older projects

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    I prefer riveria residence which is FH not so cramp,

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    [QUOTE=minority]I prefer riveria residence which is FH not so cramp,[/QUOTE

    It's a very nice serene and well maintained condo
    The maintenance fees is high and no amenities nearby
    Potentially ERL but really it's like many many years later

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    [QUOTE=hovivi]
    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    I prefer riveria residence which is FH not so cramp,[/QUOTE

    It's a very nice serene and well maintained condo
    The maintenance fees is high and no amenities nearby
    Potentially ERL but really it's like many many years later
    love it too for the look and beautiful view

    upper east coast way more atas than tm any day man

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    But every new condo will become old some day and lease reduces with time.
    fully agreed. I have an exit strategy.
    There are properties meant for hold long long, and there are meant for hold short short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leftfield
    I tend to agree with you. So for a 1.2mio outlay, people would rather buy a new 900 sq ft unit rather than a 1400 sq ft older unit.

    The newer developments also seemed to have a much more efficient use of space, I have seen 3 bedders under 1000 sq ft and it looks quite decent!
    Cos no BW and planter mah ... older one take up space and I think buyers mentality is more like if I am paying for each psf, why shd i buy the BW, planter and excessive balcony space.

    After BW taken out of equation and the ever rising psf, developers can only 'waste' space on balcony and ac ledges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Before picking up eCO, I did consider the nearby projects and set a target price for me to pick up at eCO, is not more than $1,250.

    Perhaps, I shared my reasonings :

    1. rental yield and particularly rentability : old projects will be a real challenge is the difference in rental is not significant

    2. marketability : I think, when eCO TOP or four years later, I will have a better capital gain as compared to the older projects
    V true.

    As a example, I think typically people might just rent a smaller but newer 2br of 850sqf as compare to an older 2br of 1000sqf assuming the rent is similar or close, cos' the new proj facilities is more enticing? Agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakasa2002
    V true.

    As a example, I think typically people might just rent a smaller but newer 2br of 850sqf as compare to an older 2br of 1000sqf assuming the rent is similar or close, cos' the new proj facilities is more enticing? Agree?
    Not quite agree.

    To some foreigners, they may not regard a 10-15yr old project as old, and some are very space conscious. I have seen some bringing along measuring tapes or measure the dimensions of kitchen, storerooms and yards using their footsteps. And older projects are less cramped and may offer more privacy

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