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    from sbr, read closely. twice if necessary.

    Home sales in Singapore hit an 11-month low

    But guess which developer made the biggest sale?

    According to Maybank Kim Eng, excluding Executive Condos (ECs), developers sold 1,087 homes sold in Nov, which was an eleven-month low. It was a 44% decline from the previous month.

    Here’s more from Maybank Kim Eng:

    In fact, the units launched by developers reached a 3-year low at 773 units, as they exercise caution a month after the government introduced new measures to curb the tenure of home loans. This brings the number of new homes sold to 21,288 units YTD, on track to reach our estimated 22,000 units for the full year.

    With the new restrictions on home loan tenures, it appears that activity largely surrounded the projects where there is perceived value. The best-selling project was Eco Sanctuary, a project by Malaysia-listed SP Setia. 140 units were sold at a median price of SGD1050 psf, which was slightly below the median price of SGD1120 psf for units transacted at Foresque Residences nearby.

    This was followed by CapitaLand's D'Leedon, where 300 new units were released for sale, of which 133 were sold at a median price of SGD1431 psf, slightly lower than the YTD median transacted price of SGD1,519 psf. In the high-end segment, the unlisted Far East Organisation still managed to sell another 10 units at The Scotts Tower for >SGD3,000 psf each. Their median price was SGD3,459 psf, which suggests that high-end property prices remain fairly firm.

    We see signs that the marginal buyers are increasingly trading down, potentially turning their attention to the EC segment if they satisfy the monthly household income eligibility of not more than SGD12,000 per month. The various cooling measures are also turning investors' attention to projects where value appears to be surfacing, such as those mentioned above.

    However, as it is merely a couple of months since the last round of cooling measures, it may be too early to suggest that the property market has effectively cooled to the government's satisfaction. Looking forward, we expect the government to remain steadfast in ensuring ample supply via the Government Land Sales (GLS) programme unless developers start to put in tepid bids. Just last week, the 1H13 GLS programme was announced, with the government putting up sites sufficient to yield ~14,000 homes. The 13 sites on the Confirmed List can potentially yield 6,935 residential units, out of which 3110 will be for ECs.

    We are not ruling out further rounds of cooling measures, especially if the demand rebounds significantly without a corresponding improvement in economic conditions. In our view, one possible measure would be to restrict existing HDB owners from buying private property if they want to still hold on to their HDB units, even if they have fulfilled their Minimum Occupation Period (MOP) of five years. YTD, purchasers of new non-landed private property with HDB addresses make up 54% of all transactions, up from 48% in 2011 and 38% in2010. There are a few implications and potential impact from such move, if implemented.

    Firstly, it will prevent Singaporeans from being overly exposed to the property market by owning both HDB and private property. Secondly, as HDB units are generally accepted to be the affordable option for the general public, compelling owners to sell their HDB units if they wish to upgrade to private property may potentially free up more HDB units in the resale market.

    Hence, resale prices and cash-over-valuation may come down over time to more affordable levels. Last but not least, as a matter of principle, many buyers of HDB units obtain various grants which effectively subsidise their HDB purchases at the point of purchase. By subsequently upgrading to private property and renting out their old HDB units, this could be perceived as inequitable as the owner would have benefitted from the original government subsidies and now making attractive investment returns by renting the unit out.

    Overall, we still expect the mass market segment to face the greatest downside risks, correcting by up to 10% in 2013, while high-end property prices should hold firm as more investors seek out relative value.

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    compare what Maybank said to OCBC.

    at odds.

    Mass-market home prices to rocket up to 5% in 2013

    On the flip side, posh home prices will dip.

    According to OCBC, as indicated in its last residential sector report dated 26 Jun 2012, there is deep value embedded in high-end developer stocks.

    Here's more from OCBC:

    Year to date, we have seen ~20.9K new homes (excluding landed and EC) sold by developers, of which the bulk (74%) are mass-market (OCR) units.

    As interest rates remain low, we believe that continued monetary liquidity in the market would underpin demand for mass-market units.

    We forecast for mass market property prices to appreciate 0%-5% in 2013. For high-end property, we expect prices to dip 0% - 10% in 2013, due to the impact of recent cooling measures.

    We expect continued strength in the mass-market segment in FY13.

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    Trust only yourself because most analyst = anal list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by star
    Trust only yourself because most analyst = anal list.
    Precisely, can't trust them at all.
    do yr own research, and make yr own judgement

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    Should have a report card.

    SInce 2008 till now, which year and which analyst or research group has been accurate in their projection.

    In Dec 2011, projected fall in property prices for 2012 ranged from 5 to 30%.

    So who has accurately projected a rise of 5-8% of prices in 2012?

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    Quote Originally Posted by star
    Trust only yourself because most analyst = anal list.
    Yes! Agreed on that..

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    The proposed CM by MB will be one of the ultimates.

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    they will not ban HDB owner to buy private one lah ... at most is cannot keep HDB
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ekl2ekl2
    Should have a report card.

    SInce 2008 till now, which year and which analyst or research group has been accurate in their projection.

    In Dec 2011, projected fall in property prices for 2012 ranged from 5 to 30%.

    So who has accurately projected a rise of 5-8% of prices in 2012?
    nobody. that's why they are now busy predicting for 2013 lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    they will not ban HDB owner to buy private one lah ... at most is cannot keep HDB
    those who already bought and or renting out hdb will be grinning face to face

    that's why everything 快手快脚 always win

    like bro radha will be ha ha ha ha ha ha!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi
    those who already bought and or renting out hdb will be grinning face to face

    that's why everything 快手快脚 always win

    like bro radha will be ha ha ha ha ha ha!
    bro wear NIKE and JUST DO IT..

    But i am Also afraid is there any possibility government can FORCE those who ALREADY own hdb and pc to SELL their HDB...
    In the final analysis.....its NOT whether you have a diploma,degree,masters OR PHD....its whether you have a HDB/PC/EC or LANDED...

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    bro wear NIKE and JUST DO IT..

    But i am Also afraid is there any possibility government can FORCE those who ALREADY own hdb and pc to SELL their HDB...
    cannot force sell lah ... it will piss too many people ... at most it can say is restricting holding period e.g. if own > 2 private properties and HDB at the same time, HDB can only rent out for 10y in whole life (leave it empty loh)
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    bro wear NIKE and JUST DO IT..

    But i am Also afraid is there any possibility government can FORCE those who ALREADY own hdb and pc to SELL their HDB...
    I think that possibility is low.
    Don't worry lah.

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    bro wear NIKE and JUST DO IT..

    But i am Also afraid is there any possibility government can FORCE those who ALREADY own hdb and pc to SELL their HDB...
    No lah. but may restrict PR to buy HDB.
    Either convert citizen or sell HDB

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi
    those who already bought and or renting out hdb will be grinning face to face

    that's why everything 快手快脚 always win

    like bro radha will be ha ha ha ha ha ha!
    Well, sadly this grin wont be forever. Reason being the hdb would be due for ser in 15-20 years time. By then, sell pte if want ser.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    cannot force sell lah ... it will piss too many people ... at most it can say is restricting holding period e.g. if own > 2 private properties and HDB at the same time, HDB can only rent out for 10y in whole life (leave it empty loh)
    10 yrs no need to worry. by then the next downturn come, all CM will convert into HM. heating measure. coz no demand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    cannot force sell lah ... it will piss too many people ... at most it can say is restricting holding period e.g. if own > 2 private properties and HDB at the same time, HDB can only rent out for 10y in whole life (leave it empty loh)
    I think it might be politically sensitive. Too many people will be pissed off. HDB landlords as well as tenants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    they will not ban HDB owner to buy private one lah ... at most is cannot keep HDB
    Could increase MOP to 10 yrs if you want to retain and rent out HDB but if want to sell HDB and buy private then existng MOP will continue to apply. This will habe quite an impact.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nav14
    Could increase MOP to 10 yrs if you want to retain and rent out HDB but if want to sell HDB and buy private then existng MOP will continue to apply. This will habe quite an impact.
    This would tighten the HDB resale market even further no? Tot gahmen would wanna make more resale HDB go into the market...

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    cat slept on my keyboard..... so double post sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi
    cat slept on my keyboard..... so double post sorry
    wahahaaha...u a PUSSY lover ah...so am i...
    In the final analysis.....its NOT whether you have a diploma,degree,masters OR PHD....its whether you have a HDB/PC/EC or LANDED...

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    wahahaaha...u a PUSSY lover ah...so am i...
    yeah

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    It's not that bad an idea if it materialize.

    Private demand suffers huge dip. Developers bid low or stop bidding.

    Private prices drop - chance to upgrade. All happy except people collecting revenue from land sales and property.

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    Quote Originally Posted by star
    Trust only yourself because most analyst = anal list.
    Ya,all analyst are journalist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni
    It's not that bad an idea if it materialize.

    Private demand suffers huge dip. Developers bid low or stop bidding.

    Private prices drop - chance to upgrade. All happy except people collecting revenue from land sales and property.
    How to upgrade when HDBee price also fall? Everything is inter-linked
    When you have eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth

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    Quote Originally Posted by sherlock
    How to upgrade when HDBee price also fall? Everything is inter-linked
    can upgrade as long salary no drop

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi
    can upgrade as long salary no drop
    Bro, I teach u a solid strategy....

    When prices are all low - UPGRADE

    When prices are high - downgrade

    Think about it....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut
    Bro, I teach u a solid strategy....

    When prices are all low - UPGRADE

    When prices are high - downgrade

    Think about it....
    Good strategy. The only problem is that determining when prices are "high" or "low" is quite a big challenge and those of us with little experience may not get this right.

    For e.g., in 2010, prices are climbing, a lot say prices are "high", for those who downgraded, may have missed opportunities. Same thing repeated in 2011 and 2012.

    So in 2013 and beyond, still quite a tough call.

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    True... This applies when u have a couple of units... So when u think prices are high, u downgrade 1 and cash out a bit, but still hedge - just in case.

    Easier for stocks because can average... Properties his to average

    Hahahaha

    Quote Originally Posted by ekl2ekl2
    Good strategy. The only problem is that determining when prices are "high" or "low" is quite a big challenge and those of us with little experience may not get this right.

    For e.g., in 2010, prices are climbing, a lot say prices are "high", for those who downgraded, may have missed opportunities. Same thing repeated in 2011 and 2012.

    So in 2013 and beyond, still quite a tough call.

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    the buying mood today is very similar to the 90s, where people believe that prices of property will continue to rise indefinitely. If MND do implement this cooling measure, all hell will break loose for mass market condo..

    Having said that I doubt government will do that as they are currently enjoying the windfall from GLS.

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