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    Default Clues given

    A few points :*

    CM7 was announced and what followed -*

    1. 2 new mrt lines
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    "Under the plans, the rail network will be doubled by 2030, from the current 178 km to about 360 km. The improvements will support Singapore's long-term development and ensure the rail network will have more than the capacity needed to meet the expected increase in public transport ridership in the next two decades."

    What is the clue? Are we expecting increase in ridership within 2 decades from birth of citizens??

    2. Today papers talk about TFR

    3. *White paper on population coming out in jan 2013.
    The nptd has consulted the public on the population issue. So what do you think is the verdict?

    https://www.nptd.gov.sg/content/NPTD...r%20Future.pdf

    The clues are all over??? What did you all see????

    So why cm7 before the announcement of mrt and population white paper??? Can you see the clue???

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut
    A few points :*

    CM7 was announced and what followed -*

    1. 2 new mrt lines
    Quotes*
    "Under the plans, the rail network will be doubled by 2030, from the current 178 km to about 360 km. The improvements will support Singapore's long-term development and ensure the rail network will have more than the capacity needed to meet the expected increase in public transport ridership in the next two decades."

    What is the clue? Are we expecting increase in ridership within 2 decades from birth of citizens??

    2. Today papers talk about TFR

    3. *White paper on population coming out in jan 2013.
    The nptd has consulted the public on the population issue. So what do you think is the verdict?

    https://www.nptd.gov.sg/content/NPTD...r%20Future.pdf

    The clues are all over??? What did you all see????

    So why cm7 before the announcement of mrt and population white paper??? Can you see the clue???

    There's one more piece of the puzzle. URA's Masterplan 2013. Once that is out, then everything will be very clear.

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    announcing the arrival of houdini...welcome welcome..forums are like drugs for our fingers...always looking for keyboard to type....hard to kick the habit...wahahaha
    In the final analysis.....its NOT whether you have a diploma,degree,masters OR PHD....its whether you have a HDB/PC/EC or LANDED...

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    the clues are on our expressway...mrt station...shopping centres...showflats...human jam traffic jam
    In the final analysis.....its NOT whether you have a diploma,degree,masters OR PHD....its whether you have a HDB/PC/EC or LANDED...

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    Not forgetting the announcement of higher baby bonus now...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hovivi
    Not forgetting the announcement of higher baby bonus now...
    moral of story it pays to get....f$#@!d....
    In the final analysis.....its NOT whether you have a diploma,degree,masters OR PHD....its whether you have a HDB/PC/EC or LANDED...

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    Hi can u all talk in simple language?
    My brain very small... don't understand figurative terms.....n clueless.

    I only know one thing........ properties near mrt will not go wrong.

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    More local, less foreigner.
    Every local will have equal share of space in this island.
    If a local wants to have more share of space, tax them more.
    If foreigner wants to have a share of space in this island, tax them more.

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    In short fixed the infrastructure problem by expanding train networl, fixed the housing problem with cm7, increase baby bonus. So fewer reasons to reject opening the door now

    Anyway I welcome that

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut
    A few points :*

    CM7 was announced and what followed -*

    1. 2 new mrt lines
    Quotes*
    "Under the plans, the rail network will be doubled by 2030, from the current 178 km to about 360 km. The improvements will support Singapore's long-term development and ensure the rail network will have more than the capacity needed to meet the expected increase in public transport ridership in the next two decades."

    What is the clue? Are we expecting increase in ridership within 2 decades from birth of citizens??

    2. Today papers talk about TFR

    3. *White paper on population coming out in jan 2013.
    The nptd has consulted the public on the population issue. So what do you think is the verdict?

    https://www.nptd.gov.sg/content/NPTD...r%20Future.pdf

    The clues are all over??? What did you all see????

    So why cm7 before the announcement of mrt and population white paper??? Can you see the clue???

    GOOD KOR KOR CHESTNUT! You are back!!!

    MMMMmmmmmm...people bully me here while u were away

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    Quote Originally Posted by buttercarp
    Hi can u all talk in simple language?
    My brain very small... don't understand figurative terms.....n clueless.

    I only know one thing........ properties near mrt will not go wrong.
    very simple sis...singapore size will never change only the population..more and more and more...so demand for property will b forever and ever...
    In the final analysis.....its NOT whether you have a diploma,degree,masters OR PHD....its whether you have a HDB/PC/EC or LANDED...

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    GOOD KOR KOR CHESTNUT IS BACK !

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    Already taken action

    Eat up all the relevant stocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIG
    More local, less foreigner.
    Every local will have equal share of space in this island.
    If a local wants to have more share of space, tax them more.
    If foreigner wants to have a share of space in this island, tax them more.

    sounds like communist style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack21trader
    GOOD KOR KOR CHESTNUT! You are back!!!

    MMMMmmmmmm...people bully me here while u were away
    actually the ghost bro also disappeared for 3 days huh ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by taggy
    actually the ghost bro also disappeared for 3 days huh ?
    All BUSY in Pungool East la.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack21trader
    All BUSY in Pungool East la.
    Dun believe exactly 1 week after the BE, you will see all of them back here la including Geyland Turtle Head.

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    Must be blind not to see the writing on the wall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut
    A few points :*

    CM7 was announced and what followed -*

    1. 2 new mrt lines
    Quotes*
    "Under the plans, the rail network will be doubled by 2030, from the current 178 km to about 360 km. The improvements will support Singapore's long-term development and ensure the rail network will have more than the capacity needed to meet the expected increase in public transport ridership in the next two decades."

    What is the clue? Are we expecting increase in ridership within 2 decades from birth of citizens??

    2. Today papers talk about TFR

    3. *White paper on population coming out in jan 2013.
    The nptd has consulted the public on the population issue. So what do you think is the verdict?

    https://www.nptd.gov.sg/content/NPTD...r%20Future.pdf

    The clues are all over??? What did you all see????

    So why cm7 before the announcement of mrt and population white paper??? Can you see the clue???
    As long as gov down turn off the tap(immigration policy) or worst pump out the water. The property will still be pretty stable .

    end of the day..supply and demand are created by policies, true market is secondary

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    Quote Originally Posted by radha08
    the clues are on our expressway...mrt station...shopping centres...showflats...human jam traffic jam
    Would we be one day become minority?

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    豆子豆子
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    Quote Originally Posted by fireclone
    Would we be one day become minority?
    Possible. Government knows it and have introduced counter measures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fireclone
    Would we be one day become minority?
    Who is WE? Race or SC?

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    govt handles the policies and the infrastructure ...

    on our part ... when it comes to buying for long term ... choose wisely

    today ..FH and LH have no difference ...
    this is almost always so as price escalates... when one can no longer afford FH ...they go for LH which is more affordable and lie to oneself " i can never live 99 yrs anyway"

    to me is it ridiculous to have LH and FH the same pricing ..and in some cases ..even LH cost more than FH ...

    by the time the new mrt is up and running ... your LH condo is already 10-15 yrs old ...


    another point ...land is scarce ... we can only build upward ...

    so those FH low rise ..will have a great potential when govt change plot ratio for some areas .... to max land use ...

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    Yes, population is increasing, sounds very good. But one has to look at the pace of increasing, and then compare it with the increase of supply. I don't have all the numbers yet, but a quick glance through the NPTD paper shows that 79,167 PRs were granted in 2008 while only 27,521 were granted in 2011. For SCs, that was 20,513 and 15,777.

    The granting of PR has shown a sharp decrease.

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    URA will most likely revise the plot ratio higher and add more amenities to its new blueprint. The CM7 is not harsh without reasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner
    govt handles the policies and the infrastructure ...

    on our part ... when it comes to buying for long term ... choose wisely

    today ..FH and LH have no difference ...
    this is almost always so as price escalates... when one can no longer afford FH ...they go for LH which is more affordable and lie to oneself " i can never live 99 yrs anyway"

    to me is it ridiculous to have LH and FH the same pricing ..and in some cases ..even LH cost more than FH ...

    by the time the new mrt is up and running ... your LH condo is already 10-15 yrs old ...


    another point ...land is scarce ... we can only build upward ...

    so those FH low rise ..will have a great potential when govt change plot ratio for some areas .... to max land use ...
    can build downwards too, like city harvest but alot more costly

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    read this and decipher

    http://www.spp.nus.edu.sg/ips/docs/p...rum_050512.pdf

    The authorities in New York, London or Tokyo do not have to consider the threat of an ageing population in the same manner as ours, with Singapore having no natural hinterland to allow the population to make the choice of whether to move out of the city for a less intense urbanised lifestyle and lower costs of living


    http://www.asiaone.com/News/Latest+N...24-341816.html


    One scenario said that if the total fertility rate stays at its current low of 1.2 births per woman, with no supplement to the population from immigration, Singapore's citizen population will start to shrink 13 years from now, and decrease by more than half a million by 2060.
    In the other scenarios, fertility is kept at current levels, but with differing levels of immigration. Between 15,000 and 25,000 new citizens are brought in each year.
    In these scenarios, the number of working-age citizens declines, while the median age climbs.
    The paper said that an immigration inflow of between 20,000 and 25,000 new citizens a year is needed to keep the citizen population size stable.

    http://www.population.sg/introduction/#.UP9EsqySN8E
    Our citizen population has reached a turning point this year as our first cohort of baby boomers turn 65. At current birth rates and with no immigration, the number of Singapore Citizens (SCs) aged 65 and above will triple to 900,000 by 2030. There will be a smaller base of working-age citizens as our citizen population and workforce will age and decline. This is a significant demographic challenge facing Singapore which will soon be upon us. We need to take action early to address these issues.


    Now comes the question -
    To be a Singapore Citizen, what must one be before that? And : PR (most of the time unless exceptional cases which are super rare)
    To become Permanent Resident, what must one be before that? immigrant (work permit, employment pass)
    To become work permit holder or hold employment pass, what must one be - from another country.
    Can you see the funnel? we bring in many foreigners, we funnel and choose the PRs we want. We then choose the Citizens we want.
    So immigrant >PRs>SC

    To be an SC, you need to have home ownership, which will give you grounding.

    We now have 5.3 mil population and 3.8 mil citizens

    If we have 6.5 mil population and 3.8 mil citizens, that means 1/2 are foreigners and 1/2 are citizens. Do you think it is possible? so how many citizens will there be when population reaches 6.5 mil?

    If many Singaporeans have 2 or more properties, then where will the new citizens stay??? In rented properties. right??? Is this what we want??? Do we want them to have a stake in our country and immersed with us??? YES

    Do your own conclusion and please share.

    I feel the need to share with all of you my findings. You all have really shared very important information to allow me to derive at some storyline.

    Please do contradict with facts.. What is known : when the govt consulted on casino, it happened.
    So the govt consulted on immigration and you guess what will come out in the white paper?

    Why baby bonus and even adoption bonus???? Increase citizenship... Will we achieve TFR of 2.1?? Look at out TFR for 2012 - 0.78 vs 2011 - 1.11
    This is indeed worrying....

    http://www.indexmundi.com/g/g.aspx?c=sn&v=31

    We need more citizens if not in 20 years time, we will be like Japan.

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    I AM HOLDING ON TO MY UNITS AND NOT SELLING ANY DURING THIS PERIOD.




    For those who bought recently like Radha and Shanz - once again : Congratulations !!!!!!

    I am not a bull nor a bear. I am chestnut. And I just state facts. the clues are all over, OPEN YOUR EYES. Please do prove me wrong with my facts by presenting me facts or claims that lead to your negativity. I welcome it and I will OPEN MY EYE BIG BIG AND ANALYZE.

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    Thanks for the sharing the info.

    I'm interested in the pace of increase of population, as so far, the granting of PR shown a sharp decrease:

    NPTD paper shows that 79,167 PRs were granted in 2008 while only 27,521 were granted in 2011.

    For SCs, it was 20,513 in 2008 and 15,777 in 2011.

    So, if the white paper says "inflow of between 20,000 and 25,000 new citizens a year is needed to keep the citizen population size stable", then to me, it is NOT a positive, it is just maintaining the pace of increase of SCs, but,how about the increase of PRs, I don't have the number yet, but i guess it will remain far below the 2006-2008 highs.

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