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    Default You want to be a socialist? First make money.

    I feel this is so true.

    http://studentry.sg/2012/01/01/the-incendiary-industrialist-interview-with-phillip-yeo/"

    Phillip Yeo walks into a room and the atmosphere feels electrified. The 65-year-old chairman of SPRING Singapore possesses the energy of a much younger man. He does not pause for introductions, or even to allow the team from U@live to set up his microphone.

    “You want to be a socialist? First make money. Which means you must be a capitalist first. If you don’t make money, how do you support socialist objectives? Socialism means going around with a begging bowl. If you want to help people, you need to find funds. You need to find a way to find money to finance social objectives. To help the less fortunate you need to make money – just don’t pocket it all yourself with big bonuses,” he said.

    It is rare to find someone in Singapore, especially one as influential as Yeo, who is willing to speak so candidly.

    But his frankness, like his fervor for development, has been something that has defined Yeo throughout his career. The man has never been one to sugarcoat his opinion – and given his experience, it is hard to argue that he should.

    Yeo started his career during a brief stint in the Administrative Services, but he was soon transferred to MINDEF where he served in various appointments. However, he left the organisation to take up the position of chairman at the Economic Development Board (EDB). Yeo was instrumental in redirecting EDB’s focus towards new areas of business such as biomedical science. At the same time, he was the first chairman of the National Computer Board, where he played a leading role in developing Singapore’s first national computerisation plan that helped bring the nation into the information age. Later, Yeo moved on to become the chairman of A*STAR, where he once again pushed for Singapore to become a leading biomedical research centre. In April 2007, Yeo was appointed Special Adviser for Economic Development in the Prime Minister’s Office, a post he held until August 2011.

    Speaking to both U@live and THE RIDGE during a brief interview at his office in Fusionopolis, Yeo shared his views on how he felt undergraduates should prepare themselves for the working world. Some of his lessons are harder to accept than others.

    For example, while Yeo recognises the value of passion – he highlighted its importance during his address to the graduating class of 2011 last July – he also warns students not to forget the value of being practical. He notes that even though students should do things they are passionate about, they should also ensure they have practical skills. He laments, “Singaporeans kids are looking for an easy way out.”

    Yeo believes that undergraduates should avoid courses that are too general. To Yeo, while technical and scientific skills are difficult to learn, they are invaluable in a career. He believes an engineering course would be more useful and exportable than a course in Business Administration.

    But Yeo’s preference for engineering degrees is hardly unexpected. Although he is better known as a job creator and an industry builder, Yeo remains an engineer at heart. After all, before he received his M.B.A. from Harvard University, he first obtained a masters’ degree in systems engineering from NUS.

    “Engineers are people with practical ideas. Engineers are not philosophers. Engineers get things done. They aren’t interested in the philosophy of life, they are interested in its practical aspects,” he said.

    However, while Yeo is a supporter of engineering degrees, he also acknowledges the importance of a general education.

    “You need to be knowledgeable. This is invaluable,” he said. Yeo himself is a living example of this. His office is filled with shelves and shelves of books, magazines. A whole conference table has been dedicated to carefully filed printouts from the online journals and other articles. He jokes he has no time for any hobbies besides working and reading.

    The last piece of advice Yeo imparts to students is to not worry about foreign competition. He rebukes those who complain about having to compete with international students and non-citizens, stating that Singapore has no need for policies that favor locals. Yeo pointed out that local students have the advantages of family support and a familiarity with the country. He advises students to embrace the competition, going on to say, “If we are cruel to you, you will survive anywhere.”

    Hard words. But what else could one expect from the incendiary industrialist.

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    The truth is hard to bear; most people cannot take the truth......

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    The new generation too soft, yet wanna act hero. Faced with difficulties will only complain.

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    make sense.

    I took the road less traveled by, and that has made all the difference.” - Robert Frost quotes (American poet, 1874-1963)

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    what phillip yeo say is truth?! it is at most, an opinion. whether the opinion holds water or not, i'm not disputing it.

    not every society starts off with capitalism, and capitalism is not a panacea to societal woes. look at China, it started out as a socialist, progressed into communism and now a hybrid model of market-based communism.

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    I concur with Philip Yeo but the hard truth is most of the people like the easiest way out in everything from education to earning a living. You can see a lot of people here living off the rental of multiple properties and leveraging on the bank's $.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    I concur with Philip Yeo but the hard truth most of the people like the easiest way out in everything from education to earning a living. You can see a lot of people here living off the rental of multiple properties and leveraging on the bank's $.
    ouch...........

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    what phillip yeo say is truth?! it is at most, an opinion. whether the opinion holds water or not, i'm not disputing it.

    not every society starts off with capitalism, and capitalism is not a panacea to societal woes. look at China, it started out as a socialist, progressed into communism and now a hybrid model of market-based communism.
    Thats correct.... China got it wrong initially that's why they are back-pedalling.

    Btw China is still socialist .... the socialistic government grew strong because it is funded by the money from its capitalistic policies. Haha.... your example reinforces Philip Yeo's beliefs.

    Your post above is generally in agreement with Philip Yeo.... the gist of it is that you need money before you can do anything.... especially if you want to be socialist.

    Philip Yeo can be a nasty fellow but he is a very practical person.... not the airy fairy idealistic type

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    Quote Originally Posted by howgozit
    Thats correct.... China got it wrong initially that's why they are back-pedalling.

    Btw China is still socialist .... the socialistic government grew strong because it is funded by the money from its capitalistic policies. Haha.... your example reinforces Philip Yeo's beliefs.

    Your post above is generally in agreement with Philip Yeo.... the gist of it is that you need money before you can do anything.... especially if you want to be socialist.

    Philip Yeo can be a nasty fellow but he is a very practical person.... not the airy fairy idealistic type
    we can debate all day long and yet not come to a conclusion about China in the 1950s-1970s. to say socialism caused societal problems is a tad too simplistic, and other more significant factors in play were cult personality worship, fanaticism, widespread mis-governance, etc

    don't forget there are still lots of center-left european countries around, and doing well

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    we can debate all day long and yet not come to a conclusion about China in the 1950s-1970s. to say socialism caused societal problems is a tad too simplistic, and other more significant factors in play were cult personality worship, fanaticism, widespread mis-governance, etc

    don't forget there are still lots of center-left european countries around, and doing well
    Yes....again you are correct on the European issue

    Again the root of all the ills..? Money

    Once again you are endorsing Philip Yeo

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    Quote Originally Posted by howgozit
    Yes....again you are correct on the European issue

    Again the root of all the ills..? Money

    Once again you are endorsing Philip Yeo

    The love of Money (not Money in itself) is a root of all kinds of ills.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howgozit
    Yes....again you are correct on the European issue

    Again the root of all the ills..? Money

    Once again you are endorsing Philip Yeo
    nope, i'm not endorsing philip yeo. he's an extremist.

    as for my personal leaning, i'm more a centrist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    nope, i'm not endorsing philip yeo. he's an extremist.

    as for my personal leaning, i'm more a centrist.
    Most of us would like to believe that we are centrists as that seems to be a balanced position.

    In reality, however our outlook is naturally capitalistic. The truth is that most of us believe what Philip Yeo say to be true but find it hard to actually admit it because he is a labelled "elitist" and considered a lackey of the government.

    You are actually a capitalist.... how do l know?... well, why else would you be in Condo forum?

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    How many of us willing to pay your maid extra monthly salary of let say 500-1k if she carry out her duties well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by howgozit
    Most of us would like to believe that we are centrists as that seems to be a balanced position.

    In reality, however our outlook is naturally capitalistic. The truth is that most of us believe what Philip Yeo say to be true but find it hard to actually admit it because he is a labelled "elitist" and considered a lackey of the government.

    You are actually a capitalist.... how do l know?... well, why else would you be in Condo forum?
    philip yeo is a govt lackey?! i believe you forgot his feud with princess LEE, and see what it did to him

    talking in a condo forum is capitalist?!
    you gotta do better than that......

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    philip yeo is a govt lackey?! i believe you forgot his feud with princess LEE, and see what it did to him

    talking in a condo forum is capitalist?!
    you gotta do better than that......
    Ooops...... my mistake.

    I have always thought that people who are interested in condos would be interested in money. I guess you are not one of them and you are just here to talk c-ck and stir shit.... my apologies.

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    How many of u are willing to accept a lower offer by a poorer buyer and reject another higher offer by a richer buyer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157

    talking in a condo forum is capitalist?!
    you gotta do better than that......
    bro, with all honesty, i agree with him that being in a condo forum = capitalist.

    unless you are telling me that all the money you make in your condo investment, you will donate to charity, etc etc. ok ok i not expert in socialist/capitalist. but being a laymen, i think, we are all capitalists here.

    and Rosy has made a good example there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howgozit
    Most of us would like to believe that we are centrists as that seems to be a balanced position.

    In reality, however our outlook is naturally capitalistic. The truth is that most of us believe what Philip Yeo say to be true but find it hard to actually admit it because he is a labelled "elitist" and considered a lackey of the government.

    You are actually a capitalist.... how do l know?... well, why else would you be in Condo forum?

    these days its nice to have a perceived feeling standing on the high moral ground. to label rich or better off as elitist.

    but then why are we all in this forum? coz we are capitalist. but the current in thing to be is to appeared to be standing on the side disadvantaged. but underneath all are capitalist want to make $ get a good deal.

    How many here actually give up their job a devote full time to a charitable cause? It so simple these days to say I am fully supportive! so many less well to do left behind. We must do something. "We" are who?

    Just a meer vote? The "We" becomes the government. If thing dont pan out. then its the state fault coz job is done "I" voted right? show my displeasure right?

    Talk is so cheap I would like to see actually how many pull up their selves to devote to charity.

    I for one cannot devote my self to the cause. I am a capitalist and I don't hide that fact. I believe in ones standing up and fighting for our own piece of the pie.

    Lack Empathy? No I empathize but don't mean I have to denounce the elite as vulgar. with the same empathy I have for the less well to do I also empathize the so call elites for the current situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shanhz
    bro, with all honesty, i agree with him that being in a condo forum = capitalist.

    unless you are telling me that all the money you make in your condo investment, you will donate to charity, etc etc. ok ok i not expert in socialist/capitalist. but being a laymen, i think, we are all capitalists here.

    and Rosy has made a good example there.
    i think you need to do more studying on socialism and capitalism. by the way, socialism is not communism or the far-left.

    socialism does not mean the abandonment of profits - please look at france, or giving up oneself for the common body at large

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    How many of u are willing to accept a lower offer by a poorer buyer and reject another higher offer by a richer buyer?
    Assuming u are not selling at a loss and it is a matter of selling at a higher or lower profit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    How many of us willing to pay your maid extra monthly salary of let say 500-1k if she carry out her duties well?
    Many of us know that our domestic maids are very underpaid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    i think you need to do more studying on socialism and capitalism. by the way, socialism is not communism or the far-left.

    socialism does not mean the abandonment of profits - please look at france, or giving up oneself for the common body at large
    yes, i dun deny i do not understand socialist/capitalist model deeply.

    but if you ask the laymen, which most of us are, generally socialist = more equal society, capitalist = totally mercenery. of coz, most societies are in between. none are extreme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    Many of us know that our domestic maids are very underpaid.

    yes and I have seen singaporean eating a hearty meal while the maid sit and look.

    How many do invite your maid to eat with u on the same table? Hmm and the talk abt Elitism.. being vulgar.

    Its the double face of a society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    How many of u are willing to accept a lower offer by a poorer buyer and reject another higher offer by a richer buyer?
    on behalf of YT, if there is anybody willing to selling Mt Sinai below market price, please PM him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    yes and I have seen singaporean eating a hearty meal while the maid sit and look.

    How many do invite your maid to eat with u on the same table? Hmm and the talk abt Elitism.. being vulgar.
    have you considered that they cannot eat non-halal food in some cases?

    slippery slope argument here. first invite maid to eat with you on same table, then invite maid to sleep with you on same bed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    I feel this is so true.

    http://studentry.sg/2012/01/01/the-incendiary-industrialist-interview-with-phillip-yeo/"
    ......

    Hard words. But what else could one expect from the incendiary industrialist.
    why is he called an industrialist? what he does doesnt seem to match dictionary meaning of "industrialist"

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    Quote Originally Posted by minority
    these days its nice to have a perceived feeling standing on the high moral ground. to label rich or better off as elitist.

    but then why are we all in this forum? coz we are capitalist. but the current in thing to be is to appeared to be standing on the side disadvantaged. but underneath all are capitalist want to make $ get a good deal.

    How many here actually give up their job a devote full time to a charitable cause? It so simple these days to say I am fully supportive! so many less well to do left behind. We must do something. "We" are who?

    Just a meer vote? The "We" becomes the government. If thing dont pan out. then its the state fault coz job is done "I" voted right? show my displeasure right?

    Talk is so cheap I would like to see actually how many pull up their selves to devote to charity.

    I for one cannot devote my self to the cause. I am a capitalist and I don't hide that fact. I believe in ones standing up and fighting for our own piece of the pie.

    Lack Empathy? No I empathize but don't mean I have to denounce the elite as vulgar. with the same empathy I have for the less well to do I also empathize the so call elites for the current situation.
    socialism isn't charity

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    have you considered that they cannot eat non-halal food in some cases?

    slippery slope argument here. first invite maid to eat with you on same table, then invite maid to sleep with you on same bed.

    talk abt elitist. here is a good case for 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    socialism isn't charity

    Nice to understand the two face society we have here.

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