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    Default More home owners 'decoupling' property to avoid hefty duty

    Eventually, everyone will have to pay ABSD...so long you pass down your properties to your children...Who suffer the most?

    The Straits Times

    2 Feb 2013
    http://www.straitstimes.com/premium/...-duty-20130202
    More home owners 'decoupling' property to avoid hefty duty

    Shift from co-ownership to solo lets one party buy second home ABSD-free



    By Esther Teo Property Reporter


    HOME owners are finding ways to reduce the amount they have to pay after hefty stamp duty increases were introduced two weeks ago.
    One way is for families - say a husband and wife, or a parent and child - who bought a house together to transfer one partner's share to the other person.

    This creates a sole owner and leaves the other half of the pair free to buy another home without having to pay the additional buyer's stamp duty (ABSD), as that purchase will be seen as his first.

    The saving can be substantial. A Singaporean buying a second home will have to pay a 7 per cent ABSD, while permanent residents (PRs) pay 10 per cent.

    KhattarWong managing partner Gurbachan Singh told The Straits Times that he has seen more cases where couples "decouple" their property.
    The firm has fielded about 10 queries over the past fortnight, and is already acting in two or three decoupling cases.

    "It's no longer co-ownership or part ownership. They want to transfer everything to one party so that the other party can buy without the burden of the ABSD.

    "Although the Government says this is temporary, we don't know when it's going to be lifted, therefore given that uncertainty... people are taking pre-emptive action," he added.

    But the transferring of a half share to one of the co-owners is still subject to the standard stamp duty rate of 3 per cent, as it is considered a transaction, Mr Singh noted.

    KhattarWong is also taking more appeals to the taxman over the revised ABSD rates.

    One aspect has to do with a will that bequeaths a property with apparent instruction for sale, so that the beneficiary receives the sale proceeds of a property rather than the property itself. This could entail the executor of the will selling the property and distributing the proceeds to those named in the will. No tax is payable on the distribution of sale proceeds to the beneficiary.

    If, however, instead of selling the property, the executor transfers the property to the beneficiary, the Inland Revenue Authority of Singapore's (Iras) position is that stamp duty - and in turn ABSD, if applicable - should be paid, Mr Singh said.

    Take a Singaporean who owns a private home, and is then left the proceeds of a property by his deceased parent. If he opts to keep this property instead of allowing it to be sold as stated in the will, he will have to stump up 10 per cent in stamp duty based on a market valuation. This includes the standard 3 per cent and the additional 7 per cent, as it is a second home.

    A PR in the same position has to pay the standard 3 per cent plus the additional 10 per cent.

    If the son then sells the inherited apartment within four years, he will also be subject to the seller's stamp duty (SSD) of up to 16 per cent.
    "We don't think (having ABSD or SSD levied on such inheritances) is correct, we presently have two instructions to object and to appeal against (Iras') position," Mr Singh said. "If the response from Iras is not satisfactory, we may take a court ruling for it."

    Lawyers note that if the will had instructed for the physical property be handed down to the son, no stamp duty applies, thus this same rule should be applied even in these alternative cases.

    Mr Singh said the new stamp duty laws are the "most radical" since 1973, when the Residential Property Act was introduced, which prevented foreigners from buying landed homes. "If you look at the ABSD, we seem to give regard to your citizenship status, and I suppose the message is that the Government's interest is to look after Singaporeans first."
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    This is worse than inheritance tax. At least for inheritance tax, you have some exemption for the first $9 mill of property.

    The MIW will soon realise that it hits them too, esp some SENIOR members may be reaching that situation of having to pass down property to their descendants in due course.

    I think there may be an exemption for inherited property given in due course when they see the implications for their own estates.

    Unless they have special rules for MIW regarding this which we don't know about.

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    I have decoupled everything I have, except HDB which cannot be decoupled.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chiaberry
    This is worse than inheritance tax. At least for inheritance tax, you have some exemption for the first $9 mill of property.

    The MIW will soon realise that it hits them too, esp some SENIOR members may be reaching that situation of having to pass down property to their descendants in due course.

    I think there may be an exemption for inherited property given in due course when they see the implications for their own estates.

    Unless they have special rules for MIW regarding this which we don't know about.
    i don't know sg got inheritance tax ..
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    Numerous may have already decoupled, or MTB (most likely), so whatever cooling measures do not affect them?

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    Are all these stupid tax for private or HDB also apply?

    Guess the best job in SG is to be Cheng Hoo, no wonder even losing deposit also must try to get elected.

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    LKY's thinks that only when the Ministers happy with their wealth ... then PAP can continue to rule ... rest assured ABSD is temporary ... they will lift it once SIBOR hits 2% and property price flat for one or two years

    Otherwise why need 7m population ... the richer always gets richer when there is Ponzi demography

    That's why 1st timers should not procrastinate ... Ponzi demography will continue ... at the end of the day the elites can just point to China / Hong Kong and say our PC is half of HK psf ... our HDB is 25% of BJ
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    LKY's thinks that only when the Ministers happy with their wealth ... then PAP can continue to rule ... rest assured ABSD is temporary ... they will lift it once SIBOR hits 2% and property price flat for one or two years

    Otherwise why need 7m population ... the richer always gets richer when there is Ponzi demography
    ponzi CPF also?
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    Quote Originally Posted by roly8
    ponzi CPF also?
    that I don't agree ... return of Temasek is definitely enough to pay 4% CPF as many Temasek companies are publicly listed so subject to market scrutiny (e.g. Olam, SMRT, SBS, Singtel blah blah)... GIC not sure ... otherwise why they even dare to pay extra 1% on first 60k and peg it to 10y SGS yield + 1 (when int rate normalize will yield slightly higher than 4%)

    u must also understand if we have persistent 4% inflation for next 20y, CPF is just hedging inflation, zero real return ... so no need Ponzi
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    If inflation like now is more than 5%, so it's negative grow of our funds in CPF.

    Just like those salary earners pay, overall negative increment over the years when inflation is higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CondoInterested
    If inflation like now is more than 5%, so it's negative grow of our funds in CPF.

    Just like those salary earners pay, overall negative increment over the years when inflation is higher.
    that's why 1st timers should not procrarstinate, value of money is fast shrinking when the world is taking Viagra ... if reported inflation is 5% ... actual inflation can be 7% (that's why my bond return objective is 7%pa non-leveraged)

    today's paper, Volkswagon Passat only 178,800
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    sometime I just couldnt understand why people need to so desperate and greedy when come to property. Government have already made it very clear about their intention to prevent people buying multiple property.

    So such investors are simply asking for more trouble by trying to exploit these loophole under the nose of the authority. Do we really want tp drive our government to slap us with capital gain tax?

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    Totally agree.. How the rich people get rich? To get rich means a transfer of wealth from poor to the rich.. So the more the poor, the richer the rich... Normally only top 5% are the rich and powerful controlling the the 95% poor people.. It is the same as in the older days when we have Royalty + Noble vs the common people... Just that now it is the rich vs poor.

    So imagine you can take $1 from 1 million people. You will be $1 million richer. So now if you have 5 million people, you will have $5 million. If you are talking whether we need so much people, I feel we don't need. If you are just want to fight the number of people with other country, we will need win. Instead we should find our edge.. Our edge is 100% not mass production or mass population... You rather have 1 person like Newton rather than 1000 workers.. The value that 1000 workers produce will never match Newton...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33
    sometime I just couldnt understand why people need to so desperate and greedy when come to property. Government have already made it very clear about their intention to prevent people buying multiple property.

    So such investors are simply asking for more trouble by trying to exploit these loophole under the nose of the authority.
    if you already own multiple you are set ...the problem is HDB upgraders and those who are CPF rich but not yet secure a house ... CPF OA return of 2.5% is -4% real return in reality
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    if you already own multiple you are set ...the problem is HDB upgraders and those who are CPF rich but not yet secure a house ... CPF OA return of 2.5% is -4% real return in reality
    Thats why they will vote for WP and hope for a change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    Thats why they will vote for WP and hope for a change.
    it is naive to assume WP can help them .. WP does not even have economist who dares to challenge our SIBOR peg to US short term rate but if you look at HK ... that is what SG's futuere psf will be
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    it is naive to assume WP can help them .. WP does not even have economist who dares to challenge our SIBOR peg to US short term rate but if you look at HK ... that is what SG's futuere psf will be
    hahaha... WP can just keep PAP in check that is all and that is what opp party normally do.. They are actually representing the people. The ruling party is representing the country..

    You really think Singapore will be like Hong Kong? hahaha.. I really don't think so.. Singapore can do all what we want but we already lose at the starting line...

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    It's not rich vs poor. It's The Rich, The Middle Class (this is the big group) and The Poor.

    The Rich are the happy ones.

    The Middle Class are the unhappy ones.

    The Poor are the very very unhappy ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CondoInterested
    It's not rich vs poor. It's The Rich, The Middle Class (this is the big group) and The Poor.

    The Rich are the happy ones.

    The Middle Class are the unhappy ones.

    The Poor are the very very unhappy ones.
    In Sg context, it seems like the middle class are less happy than the poor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rosy
    In Sg context, it seems like the middle class are less happy than the poor.
    hmm... maybe are right.

    The Middle Class are the confused ones because they don't know if they are Rich or they are Poor. Confused people are dangerous, they buy PC like no tomorrow.

    The Rich are the happy ones.

    The Middle Class are the very unhappy ones.

    The Poor are the unhappy ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by phantom_opera
    that I don't agree ... return of Temasek is definitely enough to pay 4% CPF as many Temasek companies are publicly listed so subject to market scrutiny (e.g. Olam, SMRT, SBS, Singtel blah blah)... GIC not sure ... otherwise why they even dare to pay extra 1% on first 60k and peg it to 10y SGS yield + 1 (when int rate normalize will yield slightly higher than 4%)

    u must also understand if we have persistent 4% inflation for next 20y, CPF is just hedging inflation, zero real return ... so no need Ponzi
    how temasek earn the 4%? from capital gains realised when they sell the shares or from the dividends from the companies mentioned above?

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    Hi...I am turning from hopeful to hopeless after the CM7 policy rolls out. I am being deprived of my Mt Sinai.

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    This loop hole will be patched. Wait for cm8.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laguna
    Eventually, everyone will have to pay ABSD...so long you pass down your properties to your children...Who suffer the most?
    er... rephrase is:
    ABSD is not payable for property acquired by way of inheritance.
    For the person who inherited the property (or a share of the property), this will become part of his property count when he consider future property purchase.

    The article is on "will that bequeaths a property with apparent instruction for sale"; if the beneficiary chooses not to sell, then absd will be incurred.

    So, as long as we do not state in our will that the beneficiary have to sell the property, then there will be no ABSD involved.

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    Got one question to ask, when decouple and transfer 50% to spouse and have to pay 3%. Is the 3% based on current value (ie latest transacted prices) or historical prices.

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2824
    Got one question to ask, when decouple and transfer 50% to spouse and have to pay 3%. Is the 3% based on current value (ie latest transacted prices) or historical prices.

    Thanks
    based on current valuation;
    and if it is transferring 50%, then it is: (50% x valuation x 3% -5400)

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    transfer little bit by little bit, then stamp duty only 1%.
    feasible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    transfer little bit by little bit, then stamp duty only 1%.
    feasible?
    Brother hopeful, You're a genius!

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    Friend property valuation price has been and will be going up unless there is a major correction. So it is worst off transfer slowly when price goes up. YOu may have to wait for it to market correction and then you transfer.
    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    transfer little bit by little bit, then stamp duty only 1%.
    feasible?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hopeful
    transfer little bit by little bit, then stamp duty only 1%.
    feasible?
    Hi...how is that possible? Would you shed more detail?

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