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    Default First GLS sites on tender since cooling measures

    http://www.businesstimes.com.sg/arch...sures-20130301

    Published March 01, 2013

    First GLS sites on tender since cooling measures

    Response to Kim Tian, Sengkang West sites will indicate developer sentiment

    By ong chor hao


    THE first Government Land Sales (GLS) sites since the last round of property cooling measures have been put up for sale. And analysts are casting a keen eye on the tender.

    The two 99-year leasehold residential sites at Kim Tian Road and Sengkang West Way were released yesterday by the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) and the Housing and Development Board (HDB) under the Confirmed List of the GLS programme for the first half of the year. They could yield about 1,100 homes.

    "The bids and tender participation rate will give an indication of the sentiment among developers," said Nicholas Mak, SLP International's head of research.

    Another analyst, Png Poh Soon, head of research and consultancy at Knight Frank Singapore, said that if prices of land continue to trend upwards, then that would be an early signal to the market that residential homes would not come down so fast.

    Even with the latest cooling measures enforced in January, he expected developers to continue to bid for land, either to build up their land bank or to secure attractive sites quickly.

    But they will be taking the pulse of homebuyers first through the response to upcoming launches.

    "And if the response is not lukewarm and is still strong, then I think that pretty much gives them stronger confidence to enter (to bid)," Mr Png said.

    The land parcel at Kim Tian Road, put up for sale by URA, has a maximum gross floor area (GFA) of about 473,000 sq ft and could yield 500 units.

    This site should see strong interest due to its prime location near Tiong Bahru MRT station, said Knight Frank's Mr Png, who expected six to eight bids for the site. SLP's Mr Mak foresaws five to 10 bids for the site, which has a maximum gross plot ratio (GPR) of 4.0.

    The top bid could be around $870 per sq ft per plot ratio (psf ppr) to $920 psf ppr, for an absolute sum of $411 million to $435 million.

    The Sengkang West Way site released by HDB has a maximum GFA of about 536,000 sq ft, and can yield about 555 homes. The land parcel lies along Sungei Punggol and is near Layar and Fernvale LRT stations.

    The waterfront location makes it fairly interesting, said Knight Frank's Mr Png, who expected four to six bids.

    But competition will not be as fierce as at Tiong Bahru because developers will be more inclined towards "safer bets" such as prime sites near established MRT lines.

    SLP's Mr Mak expected the tender for the Sengkang site, with a maximum GPR of 3.0, to fetch top bids of $400 psf ppr to $450 psf ppr, or about $214 million to $241 million, with four to eight bidders.

    The tender for the Kim Tian Road plot will close on April 18, while that for the Sengkang West Way plot will close on April 11.

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    for cooling measure to have an impact, I think the psf ppr should be $300.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    for cooling measure to have an impact, I think the psf ppr should be $300.
    When will the result be out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonlaw
    When will the result be out?
    The tender for the Kim Tian Road plot will close on April 18, while that for the Sengkang West Way plot will close on April 11
    "Never argue with an idiot, or he will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience."

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    I think kim tian plot can fetch 900 psd

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    900psf ppr is like nothing happen. that would be nuts. i am going to guess 750psf.

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    By looking at some details, i go for $828 psf ppr

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    900psf ppr is like nothing happen. that would be nuts. i am going to guess 750psf.
    750 confirm wrong price.

    Abv 900 is more likely. I think can go beyond 920.

    DKSG

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    Considering all this talk about unsold inventory for CCR, I'll be impressed but also surprised they would come in at above 900psf ppr.

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    that Kim Tian plot CMI

    it straddles across one huge long kang. either u have an underground carpark in the long kang, or u have whiffs of the long kang everyday (if uncovered)

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    for cooling measure to have an impact, I think the psf ppr should be $300.
    this for the SK plot? Possible!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4wheels
    this for the SK plot? Possible!
    even if there is one sole bid at $300psf, the govt is likely to reject it since it's way below market value.

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    unsold inventory in CCR is mostly big units. this one, buyer still has the chance to chop it up small small and its not in CCR.

    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    Considering all this talk about unsold inventory for CCR, I'll be impressed but also surprised they would come in at above 900psf ppr.

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    Default let's refer back to the commonwealth plot

    our forumer guesses:

    bargain hunter 845
    Pro888 888.88
    jeaprp 900 +/- 50
    Ilikeu 900 to 950
    kane 970
    leesg123 988

    actual sales price was 882.8psf ppr with Pro888 being the closest guess.

    bro kane, u were so aggressive for this one saying it can be sold at 970. this commonwealth plot was sold after the measures also. why are u so conservative on the kim tian plot. to me, the kim tian plot is superior to the commonwealth plot, no?

    Current guesses for kim tian plot:

    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter 850psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf

    Bro Pro888, you are guessing 6% less than the commonwealth plot, any reasons? is it becoz u think this plot is inferior or ppty sentiment has cooled further since or.....?

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    my guess is $790psf

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    our forumer guesses:

    bargain hunter 845
    Pro888 888.88
    jeaprp 900 +/- 50
    Ilikeu 900 to 950
    kane 970
    leesg123 988

    actual sales price was 882.8psf ppr with Pro888 being the closest guess.

    bro kane, u were so aggressive for this one saying it can be sold at 970. this commonwealth plot was sold after the measures also. why are u so conservative on the kim tian plot. to me, the kim tian plot is superior to the commonwealth plot, no?

    Current guesses for kim tian plot:

    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter 850psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf

    Bro Pro888, you are guessing 6% less than the commonwealth plot, any reasons? is it becoz u think this plot is inferior or ppty sentiment has cooled further since or.....?
    $866 for me

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    Default Updated guesses

    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf

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    Should be 900-950psf before CM7.

    So, 850psf.

    Above 1400psf is getting harder to sell as investors are mostly gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf
    mcm 988psf
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    Phantom 868psf, 900psf if Dow continues to chiong for this/next week
    Ride at your own risk !!!

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    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter & Rosy 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    Phantom 868 or 900psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf
    mcm 988psf

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf
    No need lah. I intend to stick with the number. Haha. If the developers don't think they need the additional psf buffer then, I can only conclude their cash war chest gao gao.

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    my guess is 930~980psf.
    "Anyone who has not made a mistake has never tried anything new"

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    Kane 750psf
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter & Rosy 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    Phantom 868 or 900psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf
    CondoWe 930 to 980psf
    Mcm 988psf

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    But its right opp Tiong Bahru MRT....

    Twin Regency which is right beside this plot is selling for 1700psf

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    Kane 750psf
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter & Rosy 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    Phantom 868 or 900psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf
    CondoWe 930 to 980psf
    Mcm 988psf
    AMK 900

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCR
    But its right opp Tiong Bahru MRT....

    Twin Regency which is right beside this plot is selling for 1700psf
    Twin Reg, Reg Suites, The Reg @ TB are all FH. Meraprime relatively a newer LH while Central Green already 18 years old. Only last few 2 bedders were transacted at $1700psf. Generally on the avg around $1500psf while LH around $1400+ psf. Don't forget this plot is also 99 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    our forumer guesses:

    bargain hunter 845
    Pro888 888.88
    jeaprp 900 +/- 50
    Ilikeu 900 to 950
    kane 970
    leesg123 988

    actual sales price was 882.8psf ppr with Pro888 being the closest guess.

    bro kane, u were so aggressive for this one saying it can be sold at 970. this commonwealth plot was sold after the measures also. why are u so conservative on the kim tian plot. to me, the kim tian plot is superior to the commonwealth plot, no?

    Current guesses for kim tian plot:

    Kane 750psf (feel free to amend your bid, haven't closed yet )
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter 850psf
    CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf

    Bro Pro888, you are guessing 6% less than the commonwealth plot, any reasons? is it becoz u think this plot is inferior or ppty sentiment has cooled further since or.....?
    There are some requirements/ limitations coupled with plot ratio of only 4, the developers have to take into design consideration. Labour cost. CM7. Land cost @ Queenstown & Redhill/prince charles (price has already peaked). No doubts this is a better site compared to Queenstown with TB plaza & TB market and excellent CBD skyline.

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    My guess .... $888 psf ppr

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    Kane 750psf
    Lovelle 790psf
    Pro888 828psf
    Bargain Hunter & Rosy 850psf
    Jeaprp 866psf
    Phantom 868 or 900psf
    Khng8 888psf
    Amk & CCR 900psf
    DKSG >920psf
    CondoWe 930 to 980psf
    Mcm 988psf

    thanks for explanation. very logical.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pro888
    There are some requirements/ limitations coupled with plot ratio of only 4, the developers have to take into design consideration. Labour cost. CM7. Land cost @ Queenstown & Redhill/prince charles (price has already peaked). No doubts this is a better site compared to Queenstown with TB plaza & TB market and excellent CBD skyline.

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