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Originally Posted by lionhill
There might be - operating the money printer day and night.
ten years ago, I thought the house price in China was too high, five years ago, i thought it would crash, but today, comparing with SG, I thought Chinese proerties are cheaper.
China is crashing. Newspapers only write out transacted prices, but they never write that many projects has stopped building because developers has run out of cash or absconded.
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misinformation.
as far as I can feel, the financial status of big Chinese developers have improved a lot compared to last two year.
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Pt 1) As mentioned earlier, not many landed owners buy for investment and rental because landed ppty are usually bought for own stay, thus low or -ve rental yield is irrelevant. Furthermore, landed ppty bought by seasoned buyers for rental would have made profits from earlier investments. No first timer would plough straight into landed for their first foray into ppty investment. They usually start small -> MM, OCR 2-bedder etc. Therefore, with a low LTV, -ve yield is not going to matter much. Actually most landed buyers are ultra conservative....look around your relatives and friends.
Pt 2) You are assuming landed ppty buyer and/or investor sink in all their funds into landed only. Actually, you do not have such stats to back this assumption. Again, back to pt (1), nobody jump straight into landed. They usually start small...MM maybe. If they need funds, how do you know landed ppty investors do not have other condos to liquidate first? And for those who only have 1 landed ppty as investment, which I highly doubt so, its LTV is likely going to be lower than 40%
Pt 3) What has ABSD quantum got to do with whether its landed or condo. A 2.9m landed in Luxus Hills attract the same ABSD as a 2.9m 3 bedder condo in cairnhill residences. So it will affect condo as well as landed.
Pt 4) Its only higher because its bigger and usually bigger means higher rental which AV is based simply speaking. Thus investors would have already considered all these in their calculation. Those who didnt, deserve to be shotand do not deserve to own a landed!
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Because i have achieved another level of enlightenment after seeing many times the label you made for me.
This helps me to see the real me.
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Pt 1) As mentioned earlier, not many landed owners buy for investment and rental because landed ppty are usually bought for own stay, thus low or -ve rental yield is irrelevant. Furthermore, landed ppty bought by seasoned buyers for rental would have made profits from earlier investments. No first timer would plough straight into landed for their first foray into ppty investment. They usually start small -> MM, OCR 2-bedder etc. Therefore, with a low LTV, -ve yield is not going to matter much. Actually most landed buyers are ultra conservative....look around your relatives and friends.
Pt 2) You are assuming landed ppty buyer and/or investor sink in all their funds into landed only. Actually, you do not have such stats to back this assumption. Again, back to pt (1), nobody jump straight into landed. They usually start small...MM maybe. If they need funds, how do you know landed ppty investors do not have other condos to liquidate first? And for those who only have 1 landed ppty as investment, which I highly doubt so, its LTV is likely going to be lower than 40%
Pt 3) What has ABSD quantum got to do with whether its landed or condo. A 2.9m landed in Luxus Hills attract the same ABSD as a 2.9m 3 bedder condo in cairnhill residences. So it will affect condo as well as landed.
Pt 4) Its only higher because its bigger and usually bigger means higher rental which AV is based simply speaking. Thus investors would have already considered all these in their calculation. Those who didnt, deserve to be shot
You are trying to paint a picture whereby landed property owners are all very loaded. Actually they are not, they are just highly leverage. And the leverage part is the reason why during a crisis, the price will plunge.
Sometime back I have already posted 2012 government statistic about household income of different property group. Go look for it and you will then understand what I am talking about.
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Instead of reposting the excel graph so many times, could you please post the above mentioned gov stat? Me uncle too lazy to search. Actually, I'm really not trying to paint the picture, it's wat I see around me.
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Dont be so lazy lah. Got to table 10A.
http://www.singstat.gov.sg/Publicati...ure/pp-s19.pdf
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Before I open it, thx you. Really, in life, a lot of things can be done easily...just ask nicely
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I had a quick look at the table but my back of envelop calculation actually showed household income between 2000 to 2010 of landed residents increase MORE (both % & absolute) than household income of residents staying in condo & other apt. So how can you deduce landed price will crash and not condo when landed owners' household income is healthier?
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NameStreet Name
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THE GREENWOODGREENWOOD AVENUETerrace House14,350,0001,630Land2,669Apr-13THE GREENWOODGREENWOOD LANETerrace House14,008,0001,615Land2,482Oct-12
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street name hse type price Land size PSF Contract
CAMBRIDGE ROAD Terrace 4,000,000 1,545 Land 2,590 Jan-13
MARNE ROAD Terrace 4,911,000 1,702 Land 2,886 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 5,200,000 1,737 Land 2,993 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 4,945,000 1,714 Land 2,886 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 4,918,000 1,704 Land 2,886 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 4,899,000 1,697 Land 2,886 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 4,950,000 1,703 Land 2,907 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 7,049,000 2,443 Land 2,885 Dec-12
MARNE ROAD Terrace 4,890,000 1,694 Land 2,886 Dec-12
GREENWOOD AVENUE Terrace 4,350,000 1,630 Land 2,669Apr-13
GREENWOOD LANE Terrace 4,008,000 1,615 Land 2,482Oct-12
Whats going on ?
D8 .. close to Petain road .. land size , psf , price so close to D11 Greenwood ?
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Did you track how much the price of landed property rises vs income growth?,
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BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY DRIVE Semi-Detached House 1 2,480,000 2,260 Land 1,097 Apr-13
BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY CRESCENT Semi-Detached House 1 2,400,000 2,204 Land 1,089 Jan-13
BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY CRESCENT Semi-Detached House 1 2,300,000 2,655 Land 866 Dec-12
BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY CRESCENT Semi-Detached House 1 2,120,000 2,190 Land 968 Aug-12
BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY CRESCENT Semi-Detached House 1 1,938,000 2,232 Land 868 Jun-12
BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY DRIVE Semi-Detached House 1 1,968,000 2,260 Land 871 Apr-12
BURGUNDY HILL BURGUNDY CRESCENT Semi-Detached House 1 1,980,000 2,204 Land 898 Feb-12
Even 99 yr semi d also price increase.
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those from Marne road are en bloc transaction. total 41.7m
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Can any good brothers or sisters here tell me where I can buy some Eno here in Singapore?
I heard Eno + Coke is very very good for cooling, is that so?
Thanks.
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If you don't believe what I am telling you now, what makes you think you should believe what I said in the past?
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Is it true that in a dream, when the deads are laughing meant they are crying?
WOAHAHAHHEHHEHEHEHEHE
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Mentor ... medicine still got ?
If not, tell your junior me, I quickly send over.
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yes I guess as much
but still 28xx psf land for that area ?
convert to commercial ah ?
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bro I caught no ball leh ....
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