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    Are 60-year leasehold residences here to stay?

    By Ku Swee Yong

    Published: 17 January, 4:03 AM


    We are reminded regularly that one in five Singaporeans will be over the age of 65 come 2030. Immigration policies and the mix of new Singaporeans can alter our demographics, but the total number of senior citizens will certainly increase.

    In public housing, the Housing and Development Board (HDB) already has several schemes catering for the elderly. But a pilot project was introduced in 2012 on the private housing front: Sixty-year leasehold residences targeted at retirees.

    To test the interest of developers, the Urban Redevelopment Authority (URA) was generous in its incentives for this project provided conditions around Retirement Housing were met: An additional 10 per cent gross floor area and no limits on the maximum number of Dwelling Units (which means it can be filled with shoebox or pigeonhole units).

    Developers took the bait: There were 23 bids submitted on Nov 15, 2012.

    Fast forward to now. The Hillford in Bukit Timah is set to launch this weekend with 281 units, 186 of which are one-bedroom units with average sizes of around 410 sq ft. Buyer interest seems high, fuelled by the relatively low outlay with prices from around S$400,000. Thousands of visitors have visited the showflat.

    But how attractive is the development from an investor’s perspective? And will this be a one-off experiment or the first of such properties?

    ATTRACTIVE RETURNS?

    Investors are probably attracted by the potential rental income. One possible buyer offered the following scenario: Rentals for the one-bedroom units may fetch S$2,200 per month. This means that over the 57-year lease period that would remain post-construction, the total rental income could potentially be S$1.5 million. Subtracting the purchase price of about S$400,000, that implies a profit of about S$1.1 million.

    Ignoring stamp duties and other costs, as well as the vacancy period between tenants, one flaw in this proposition lies in the monthly rental expectation of S$2,200 for a 398 sq ft apartment that includes a bomb shelter and an air-con ledge.

    In comparison, monthly rentals for two-bedroom units in Signature Park (1,055 sq ft) across the road are currently around S$2,500. A little further off, Springdale (970 sq ft) rents are approximately S$2,750. Both are condominium projects with much bigger grounds and facilities including tennis courts. A four-room HDB flat (about 1,000 sq ft) in nearby Bukit Batok may be rented at S$2,200 per month. The record high supply of private residences (about 19,000 units this year and next, and 23,000 units in 2016) will also put a cap on rentals.

    Investors might also overlook the fact that if they wanted to sell this property, say 10 years from now in 2024 when the lease is left with 48 years, the next buyer may only get a maximum loan term of 18 years, which would limit the pool of potential buyers.

    VALUATIONS

    The estimated launch prices range from S$1,000 to S$1,100 per sq ft for this 60-year leasehold property. Using a straight line depreciation to zero value over 60 years, the equivalent price based on a 99-year lease is as high as S$1,815 psf.

    If we adopt industry valuation methods and reference the Leasehold-Freehold tables from the Singapore Land Authority (SLA), a price of S$1,100 psf for a 60-year lease translates to an equivalent of S$1,320 psf for a 99-year lease.

    However, at the other extreme, considering that banks do not lend for residential properties with a remaining lease of 30 years or less (and Central Provident Fund monies cannot be used to service the instalments), the depreciation is even steeper and, therefore, the equivalent price in 99-year terms might well be in excess of S$2,500 psf depending on the residual value of the final 30 years of lease.

    Optimistic and eager investors often look beyond these issues and hope for a brighter future.

    SCORECARD FOR SUCCESS

    Apart from the development’s investment potential, a few milestones will need to be cleared before we can determine the final scorecard of this pilot project in assessing whether it is delivering on its aims.

    Firstly, after the project is fully sold, we need to understand the profile of all the buyers. If the buyers are owner-occupiers, how many are senior citizens and retirees?

    Secondly, after the construction is completed in two years, we need to tote up the profile of the tenants in this “retirement resort” — what proportion are senior citizens or retirees?

    And most importantly — say three years after completion — we should take another look at the profile of the tenants in the apartments and the services provided in the commercial units below. Are the tenants elderly citizens and are the commercial outlets providing services relevant for retirees and eldercare?

    The scorecard should be objectively assessed against the list of incentives given to developers for building retirement housing. And if these three final checks returned satisfactory results, i.e. the completed property is largely serving the needs of retirees, then the authorities might consider selling more residential land parcels on 60-year leases with similar incentives.

    ABOUT THE AUTHOR: Ku Swee Yong is a property agent and CEO of real estate sales organisation Century 21 Singapore. He is the author of two bestsellers: Building Your Real Estate Riches and Real Estate Riches.

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    I will nver touch 60 years residential....no $ then don't buy!

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    "Investors might also overlook the fact that if they wanted to sell this property, say 10 years from now in 2024 when the lease is left with 48 years, the next buyer may only get a maximum loan term of 18 years, which would limit the pool of potential buyers."

    Worst is after u die, you can't pass the house to your kids as the lease would be over soon.......Anybody knows what happen if the lease ends? Govt takes back? or re-lease?

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    60 years lease property? Only ignorant people will buy?

    Quote Originally Posted by darkseed73 View Post
    "Investors might also overlook the fact that if they wanted to sell this property, say 10 years from now in 2024 when the lease is left with 48 years, the next buyer may only get a maximum loan term of 18 years, which would limit the pool of potential buyers."

    Worst is after u die, you can't pass the house to your kids as the lease would be over soon.......Anybody knows what happen if the lease ends? Govt takes back? or re-lease?

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    60 years lease property? Only ignorant people will buy?
    for about the same price ,,, you can get a 35 year old 4 rm HDB in Bedok ...

    still have 65 yr to go ....

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    By the time it TOP, you are left with 55 years of lease. Forget it. 60 years lease is 39 years lesser than a normal condo. It is a stupid purchase IMO. And it is not even cheap. 400k+. Ridiculous.

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    I reckon this type of property are truly for those in their thirties or forties onwards to buy for own stay so that they can maximise on returns by renting out their other properties. 60 yr properties are to be bought n never be sold.

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    It will create another tier for FH, 999, 99.
    Just as between HDB and condo there are DBSS n EC.
    By doing this, it create more segments resulted in price increase.

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    SOLD OUT

    Most bros are negative abt it.

    Obviously they are missing out on sumthin...
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi View Post
    SOLD OUT

    Most bros are negative abt it.

    Obviously they are missing out on sumthin...
    I tried but never get leh.... Disappointed....

    Was eyeing either 1 or 2 bedder....

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut View Post
    I tried but never get leh.... Disappointed....

    Was eyeing either 1 or 2 bedder....
    Ah.... i thought i was the only one who saw diamonds instead of charcoal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcmlxxvi View Post
    SOLD OUT

    Most bros are negative abt it.

    Obviously they are missing out on sumthin...
    This is a products which is perfect for investors who wishes to invest in property but doesnt want to take bank loan. E.g. people in the 50s and 60s who have half a mill of spare cash and wishes to invest in something they are familiar. ie. property. Or, those who have difficulties getting big load due to TDSR.

    I think those who have bought a unit at Hillford should consider themselves lucky because I expect MND to come out with restriction for similar development in the future.
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    We won't know for sure whether they are lucky or unlucky. The one who bought reflection at 2k psf thought she got the best deal.


    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33 View Post
    This is a products which is perfect for investors who wishes to invest in property but doesnt want to take bank loan. E.g. people in the 50s and 60s who have half a mill of spare cash and wishes to invest in something they are familiar. ie. property. Or, those who have difficulties getting big load due to TDSR.

    I think those who have bought a unit at Hillford should consider themselves lucky because I expect MND to come out with restriction for similar development in the future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thomastansb View Post
    We won't know for sure whether they are lucky or unlucky. The one who bought reflection at 2k psf thought she got the best deal.
    Could you explain to us why of all project in Singapore, you wish to compare Reflection to Hillford? What exactly do they have in common?

    Property investment like Hillford is a question of numbers as investors are buying primarily for rental yield not capital gain. If investors can recover the investment is say 15 to 20 years, whatever that is left of the lease will be bonus.
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    Easily lah!
    Reflections 99 years LH, $2000 psf.
    Hillford 60 years LH, $1300 psf, pro-rate to 99 years LH => almost $19xx psf.

    Look at the location, the quality and design of buildings etc and common sense already tells us which is more worth it right?!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33 View Post
    Could you explain to us why of all project in Singapore, you wish to compare Reflection to Hillford? What exactly do they have in common?

    Property investment like Hillford is a question of numbers as investors are buying primarily for rental yield not capital gain. If investors can recover the investment is say 15 to 20 years, whatever that is left of the lease will be bonus.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Easily lah!
    Reflections 99 years LH, $2000 psf.
    Hillford 60 years LH, $1300 psf, pro-rate to 99 years LH => almost $19xx psf.

    Look at the location, the quality and design of buildings etc and common sense already tells us which is more worth it right?!

    Can you tell us, what is the average quantum of reflection vs. hillford?


    Its not easy, its just very amateur
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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Easily lah!
    Reflections 99 years LH, $2000 psf.
    Hillford 60 years LH, $1300 psf, pro-rate to 99 years LH => almost $19xx psf.

    Look at the location, the quality and design of buildings etc and common sense already tells us which is more worth it right?!
    Some of the Reflections transactions : quantum and psf

    extracted from URA site :

    REFLECTIONS 1,300,000 840 * 1,548
    REFLECTIONS 1,330,000 775 1,716
    REFLECTIONS 1,350,000 786 1,718
    REFLECTIONS 1,352,901 893 1,514
    REFLECTIONS 1,415,400 1,012 1,399
    REFLECTIONS 1,420,000 904 1,570
    REFLECTIONS 1,438,000 840 1,713
    REFLECTIONS 1,450,000 850 1,705
    REFLECTIONS 1,451,471 936 1,550

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut View Post
    I tried but never get leh.... Disappointed....

    Was eyeing either 1 or 2 bedder....
    bought some aspial shares then it ran up a bit because of this launch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelle View Post
    bought some aspial shares then it ran up a bit because of this launch.
    Oh, thats nice... me bot aspial bonds...

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    Reflections cheaper than Hillford when it is pro-rated to 99 years LH!!!

    Also cheaper than J Gateway!


    Quote Originally Posted by Heng View Post
    Some of the Reflections transactions : quantum and psf

    extracted from URA site :

    REFLECTIONS 1,300,000 840 * 1,548
    REFLECTIONS 1,330,000 775 1,716
    REFLECTIONS 1,350,000 786 1,718
    REFLECTIONS 1,352,901 893 1,514
    REFLECTIONS 1,415,400 1,012 1,399
    REFLECTIONS 1,420,000 904 1,570
    REFLECTIONS 1,438,000 840 1,713
    REFLECTIONS 1,450,000 850 1,705
    REFLECTIONS 1,451,471 936 1,550

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    Quote Originally Posted by chestnut View Post
    Oh, thats nice... me bot aspial bonds...
    which is safer ? bond or shares ?

    how do you buy and sell the bonds ?


    aspial shares have been giving me bonus shares and dividends

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Reflections cheaper than Hillford when it is pro-rated to 99 years LH!!!

    Also cheaper than J Gateway!
    for someone who can only afford SGD 480,000. Hillford is cheap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Reflections cheaper than Hillford when it is pro-rated to 99 years LH!!!

    Also cheaper than J Gateway!

    I though I was asking you, what is the average quantum of reflection by the bay vs Hillford? If you dont even understand the importance of quantum effect, then I suggest you go find something else to invest because property is really not suited for you.

    And btw why cherry pick $2000psf reflection when we know there are transaction above $3000psf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lovelle View Post
    which is safer ? bond or shares ?

    how do you buy and sell the bonds ?


    aspial shares have been giving me bonus shares and dividends
    aspial bonds paying 5% coupon. maturing in July 2016.

    sum to buy $250k based on nav 100. currently trading at 101.75.

    buy and sell thru bank...

    I dabble abit here and there... cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Reflections cheaper than Hillford when it is pro-rated to 99 years LH!!!

    Also cheaper than J Gateway!

    my friend almost bought the PH unit in the blk furthest out to the sea ..

    on the day that they went to sign and put deposits after viewing 2 times ..
    heng heng it rained very heavy that day ..

    guess what .. rain water seeped thru almost all the windows...


    they walked off ...

    never regretted ..

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    Why didn't they shrink a one bedroom at JG to 300sqft n sell it to you at sgd650k? I think you will probably still buy based on the quantum effect
    Quote Originally Posted by Ringo33 View Post
    I though I was asking you, what is the average quantum of reflection by the bay vs Hillford? If you dont even understand the importance of quantum effect, then I suggest you go find something else to invest because property is really not suited for you.

    And btw why cherry pick $2000psf reflection when we know there are transaction above $3000psf.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickstar View Post
    Why didn't they shrink a one bedroom at JG to 300sqft n sell it to you at sgd650k? I think you will probably still buy based on the quantum effect


    on that note ...

    i have a 35 yr old FH condo ... nicely renovated .. bgt at 400 psf in 2005 ..

    can i sell it as a 60 yr lease at say 1000 psf ?

    at the end of 60 yrs .. i take possession of the unit ...

    can right ?

    if FEO can sell 103 yr LH on a FH land ... i can also sell 60 yr out of my FH condo ...

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    You can do that only if you own the entire freehold title to the land.

    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner View Post
    on that note ...

    i have a 35 yr old FH condo ... nicely renovated .. bgt at 400 psf in 2005 ..

    can i sell it as a 60 yr lease at say 1000 psf ?

    at the end of 60 yrs .. i take possession of the unit ...

    can right ?

    if FEO can sell 103 yr LH on a FH land ... i can also sell 60 yr out of my FH condo ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrickstar View Post
    You can do that only if you own the entire freehold title to the land.

    so i can do that for my landed house then

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    Yes but you need to apply for licence to develop n to convert to strata.

    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner View Post
    so i can do that for my landed house then

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