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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Then again, if this is a good location, it will go for at least $1,000 psf for freehold property. You get what you paid for

    The question is When those $1,000 psf property today becomes 2000 psf, will price psf for this project double as well?
    In boom time, the more exclusive the property is, the faster the rise
    In major down turn, the expensive property could come down even faster the the mass market property

    If you have a lot of money to spare, investing in ultra exclusive property is still is the best beat as the property trends in major cities such as Singapore in the last two years have prove the point. Many of these properties in these city have already more than recover from the low and in fact in many cases have reached historic high. As to the mass market, it still got some ways to go to reach level in 1996

  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Is it too late to get in the game of "musical chair" for that area?

    The area to me is totally uninspiring, but then again, when the tidy wave comes, everything moves
    I was there a week ago to look at the showflat.
    The agent whom I met was frantically calling my mobile yesterday afternoon to inform me today will be launced and price will increase, begging me to take advantage of the "low price" before price increase in just a few hrs.

    Guess what, I just find out they did not increae the price this morning. I will not be surprised very soon, developer may have to throw in a BMW to attarct buyers as more and more projects from the enbloc lands in that area are being release

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    I was there a week ago to look at the showflat.
    The agent whom I met was frantically calling my mobile yesterday afternoon to inform me today will be launced and price will increase, begging me to take advantage of the "low price" before price increase in just a few hrs.

    Guess what, I just find out they did not increae the price this morning. I will not be surprised very soon, developer may have to throw in a BMW to attarct buyers as more and more projects from the enbloc lands in that area are being release
    Buy 3,get 1 free.The developer still make good M.

  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Buy 3,get 1 free.The developer still make good M.
    Good grief
    Be optimistic, property boom has just started
    besides, when the property boom spread to HDB, HDB owners may have the money to join in the push in case the mass market has trouble in moving up crazy like those units at the waterfront and orchard

  5. #35
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    Anyone know how much units in Botannia are left? With Carabelle sold out, I can only consider Botannia & Infiniti in that area.
    Looks like Infiniti is the cheaper option & it's finishing looks good too. A cost effective solution.

    Any experts out there that can give me some tips for considerations? I am buying for self stay.

    Cheers!

  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undecided One
    Anyone know how much units in Botannia are left? With Carabelle sold out, I can only consider Botannia & Infiniti in that area.
    Looks like Infiniti is the cheaper option & it's finishing looks good too. A cost effective solution.

    Any experts out there that can give me some tips for considerations? I am buying for self stay.

    Cheers!
    it voices down to what u like. Infinti itself is next to transportation very convient but ECP is a killer.... Bontannia, although is a bit further from transportation but much more quiet....

    Have u seen the bontannia showflat?
    Have u seen the infinti showflat?

    Which one do u prefer?
    Each got its own unique style of living.....

    PM me for more personal comments....

  7. #37
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    Hi Bagus,

    Thanks for the tips. I actually saw both showroom.
    Kind of like the Infiniti one more. I have my concerns on the AYE but like someone has posted earlier, the layers of trees & water features may absorb/dampen the road noise.

    When I stand outside the showroom of Infiniti, it does not sound that bad. Actually Carabelle is also next to the road. So those chaps that bought units near the AYE will also have the same problems. Further down the road, Hong Leong Gardens will also have the same problems.

    One more things, I was told that the Botannia monthly maintenance cost for a 3 bedrooms is more than S$300. While the same unit in Infiniti only cost S$250.

    Botannia is more expensive and have more than 500 units. While Infiniti has 300plus units.

    Wow, the more I write it looks like I am leaning more towards Infiniti!


    Have to discuss with my finance minister these few days & make up my mind soon!

  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undecided One
    Hi Bagus,

    Thanks for the tips. I actually saw both showroom.
    Kind of like the Infiniti one more. I have my concerns on the AYE but like someone has posted earlier, the layers of trees & water features may absorb/dampen the road noise.

    When I stand outside the showroom of Infiniti, it does not sound that bad. Actually Carabelle is also next to the road. So those chaps that bought units near the AYE will also have the same problems. Further down the road, Hong Leong Gardens will also have the same problems.

    One more things, I was told that the Botannia monthly maintenance cost for a 3 bedrooms is more than S$300. While the same unit in Infiniti only cost S$250.

    Botannia is more expensive and have more than 500 units. While Infiniti has 300plus units.

    Wow, the more I write it looks like I am leaning more towards Infiniti!


    Have to discuss with my finance minister these few days & make up my mind soon!
    Can go for CES- The Parc-668 units@ west coast walk.Coming soon

  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Undecided One
    Hi Bagus,

    Thanks for the tips. I actually saw both showroom.
    Kind of like the Infiniti one more. I have my concerns on the AYE but like someone has posted earlier, the layers of trees & water features may absorb/dampen the road noise.

    When I stand outside the showroom of Infiniti, it does not sound that bad. Actually Carabelle is also next to the road. So those chaps that bought units near the AYE will also have the same problems. Further down the road, Hong Leong Gardens will also have the same problems.

    One more things, I was told that the Botannia monthly maintenance cost for a 3 bedrooms is more than S$300. While the same unit in Infiniti only cost S$250.

    Botannia is more expensive and have more than 500 units. While Infiniti has 300plus units.

    Wow, the more I write it looks like I am leaning more towards Infiniti!


    Have to discuss with my finance minister these few days & make up my mind soon!

    If you wanna go for Infiniti, then go for lower floors. The higher you go, the noisier it will be as noice travels up.

    What I did was I went to the HDB blocks along AYE.... Man! It was unbearable on the 10th floor. At ground level still bearable.

    Good Luck!

  10. #40
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    Quote Originally Posted by camelot
    If you wanna go for Infiniti, then go for lower floors. The higher you go, the noisier it will be as noice travels up.

    What I did was I went to the HDB blocks along AYE.... Man! It was unbearable on the 10th floor. At ground level still bearable.

    Good Luck!
    Camelot, may I know which HDB blocks you go to? I want to try to feel the noise level too. Will want to walk down from 10 floor to ground floor.....

  11. #41
    camelot Guest

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Camelot, may I know which HDB blocks you go to? I want to try to feel the noise level too. Will want to walk down from 10 floor to ground floor.....
    Sorry I don't remember the name but it's on the same side as Infiniti..... just travel along AYE towards the city.

  12. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Camelot, may I know which HDB blocks you go to? I want to try to feel the noise level too. Will want to walk down from 10 floor to ground floor.....

    A tip -- you may wanna consider subsale units at Varsity Park / Clementiwoods instead... tho 99-yr... they are at a better location... price wise if am not wrong... only ~$550-650psf.

  13. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by camelot
    A tip -- you may wanna consider subsale units at Varsity Park / Clementiwoods instead... tho 99-yr... they are at a better location... price wise if am not wrong... only ~$550-650psf.
    I was told that 99 yrs property will depreciate fast. So I did not really consider these 2 development....

  14. #44
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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    I was told that 99 yrs property will depreciate fast. So I did not really consider these 2 development....
    In a rising market, everything goes up but some more than the others. The high flyers are those in better locations. E.g. Infiniti versus CW.... The former been launched for a while now and still not sold out whereas the latter was sold out within 2 weeks. Don't worry so much abt tenure.... look at Marina Bay residences... The Sail.... Orchard Turn... they are all 99-yr projects!

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    Default Re: Botannia (D5, 956 yr, CDL / Capitaland)

    Anyone here have the latest on how are they doing?

  16. #46
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    Quote Originally Posted by steppy
    Anyone here have the latest on how are they doing?
    Hmm... seems like not much interest in Botannia compared to Carabelle... Hardly anyone really ask about it nowadays.

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    Default Re: Botannia (D5, 956 yr, CDL / Capitaland)

    was there last weekend, think this is too pricy, riding on the fever...little upside for investment.

    just my personal opinion.

  18. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by ht
    was there last weekend, think this is too pricy, riding on the fever...little upside for investment.

    just my personal opinion.
    so how much is the pricing? how many sold?

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    about 750psf !!

  20. #50
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    Quote Originally Posted by ht
    about 750psf !!
    Dun think it'll go down... cos CDL has another plot in the area (hong leong gardens) and thus they will likely keep this price and perhaps launch HLG at higher prices

  21. #51
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    I went down to showroom a week ago and was told the psf is some $680 after discount -- e.g. 16% off for NPS.

  22. #52
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    Quote Originally Posted by St.
    I went down to showroom a week ago and was told the psf is some $680 after discount -- e.g. 16% off for NPS.
    $680psf, for 3 bedroom? not too bad pricing.

  23. #53
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    Those sales agent had their noses so darn high up during the private launch. Refused to give any discount when I was there even though I was promised some early bird discounts when I met an agent before the launch. Now they realised they have priced themselves out of the market....started giving discounts left and right.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unregistered
    Those sales agent had their noses so darn high up during the private launch. Refused to give any discount when I was there even though I was promised some early bird discounts when I met an agent before the launch. Now they realised they have priced themselves out of the market....started giving discounts left and right.....
    Interesting - with CDL having bought Hong Leong Gardens enbloc recently, it would be fun to see how they work their pricing strategy to protect the value of HLG.

    Further added complication Botannia is a JV between CDL and Cap Land...

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    Quote Originally Posted by steppy
    Interesting - with CDL having bought Hong Leong Gardens enbloc recently, it would be fun to see how they work their pricing strategy to protect the value of HLG.

    Further added complication Botannia is a JV between CDL and Cap Land...
    it will not be fun watching it , here's why:


    1) The size of Singapore is nothing compared to cities like Tokyo or New York. So, price wise, it should filtered out from the central core to outer regions like west coast or east coast in a very rapid manner.

    2) If you talk about a worldclass city, the whole of Singapore has to be worldclass.

    3) The foreigners want the best of both worlds- a city with solid infrastructure coupled with nature like our neighbours can provide by taking a yatch ride.

    So, it will be a matter of less time you see price jump like what u are seeing now. My humble opinion is even MP will be snapped up in a blink of an eye very soon. I dun think Botannia has anything to do with what you are seeing now.

    a few months later, dun say i never tell u har....

    If u think otherwise, please do not hesitate to hammer my little post here

    JMHO

    Cya later, alligators....

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    Quote Originally Posted by blackjack21trader
    it will not be fun watching it , here's why:


    1) The size of Singapore is nothing compared to cities like Tokyo or New York. So, price wise, it should filtered out from the central core to outer regions like west coast or east coast in a very rapid manner.

    2) If you talk about a worldclass city, the whole of Singapore has to be worldclass.

    3) The foreigners want the best of both worlds- a city with solid infrastructure coupled with nature like our neighbours can provide by taking a yatch ride.

    So, it will be a matter of less time you see price jump like what u are seeing now. My humble opinion is even MP will be snapped up in a blink of an eye very soon. I dun think Botannia has anything to do with what you are seeing now.

    a few months later, dun say i never tell u har....

    If u think otherwise, please do not hesitate to hammer my little post here

    JMHO

    Cya later, alligators....
    I hope u are right... got 2 properties in west coast area

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boeingdriver
    I hope u are right... got 2 properties in west coast area
    mark my post and see ; checkout the transacted prices for yourself roughly after July 15, 2007. where do u think i move my vested interests in D9 to after they enbloc-ed me twice? I count myself lucky now that I was enbloc-ed a year and a half ago.

    Your guess is as good as mine.

    but if u feel that I am trying to talk up west coast, be my guest and please hammer me as i am really trying to do that here; athough my voice is a little too soft LOL :

    I tried using the AYE expressway ( must make U turn at exit at Jurong Town Hall, I think ) to go to the central core from HLG and the timing is a decent 20mins travelling at 80km/hr at around 3pm on weekdays.

    I like West Coast for the abundance of light industries at the southern tip. The population here also appears to be higher in academic and professional achievement as I managed to socialise with quite a few West Coasters at the Park.

    do also note that foreigners only know how to "calculate" their investments in US$. So S$1 million is actually affordable for most of their middle managers.

    JMHO- correct me if I am wrong
    Last edited by blackjack21trader; 04-06-07 at 00:08.

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    I agree about the West Coast. It is still a relatively undiscovered gem. Most buyers so far have been following the herd: Marina Bay, Orchard, East Coast. Little have they cared about the price attractiveness of West Coast and the investment potential that it brings.

    I have always insisted to my friends that the coastal location will always be there. The ship and container industry will not.

    This area is very low-rise, peaceful, and low density. Developers had also begun buying up land quite some time ago.

    pros:

    - NUS
    - one north
    - science parks
    - near Sentosa IR
    - near Holland Village
    - on the coast line thus possible to get seaview if shipyards move to Tuas(or Jurong island view, depending)
    - on hilly terrain
    - lots of private freehold land, parks, and greenery
    - lots of old and unoptimised industrial and military estates ripe for commercial and residential development

    cons: PSA, Keppel, container and shipyards


    I think the URA has realised this already. I remember reading an article about future plans to relocate the shipping industry away from south and west coast, to the newly reclaimed land at Tuas (Tuas View extension). Take away the only con, and the pros are glaringly obvious.

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    Default Re: Botannia (D5, 956 yr, CDL / Capitaland)

    I heard that Botannia has not fully launched all their units, the new prices for the subsequent launch could be an indication of how quickly the developer anticipates the west coast area will close the gap.

    Then again, the developer may just be holding for right time to make a killing.....

  30. #60
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    Botannia may go even higher. that would make the buyers of Carabelle and the Infinit happier, because there is no reason for a large gap in pricing to exist among the three projects. These are clones of one another. There is just one project really: The west coast project.

    Of the three, Botannia has a worst prospect for earning rental income. it is next to a vase expanse of empty land, which will become a source of noise when it is sold for a new development. I can imagine the din waking up all the foreigners from their nap on the sunday afternoon.

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