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    Default Another News which report what they want you to know.

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    Goh Eng Yeow
    The Straits Times
    Wednesday, Aug 27, 2014
    SINGAPORE - So far, the big debate over the slowdown in the public and private housing markets has focused on whether it is time for the Government to roll back some of the cooling measures that have kept a lid on soaring home prices.

    The pressure on this front is coming from various quarters.

    For developers, the build-up in unsold property is a matter of concern, as they struggle to move homes amid flagging demand for their new condo projects.

    On their part, banks are rightly concerned too. Given the huge sums lent to developers and homebuyers to finance their purchases, they are keeping an eagle eye on the impact on their housing loan book as the market softens.

    DBS Bank's chief executive Piyush Gupta, for instance, was quoted as saying that the lender had done a stress test to assess if it could cope with a 30 per cent drop in property prices.

    "We see no problem at a 30 per cent fall. If rates rise, there will be marginal borrowers who can't pay, but we don't anticipate a major issue," he said.

    However, there is a wider, more significant perspective on the outlook for the property market that should be considered.

    It is arguably more important to examine just how the wider economy would fare if there were ever such a precipitous drop in housing prices.

    The scenario looks unlikely for now, with house prices slipping only 2.3 per cent between January and June, but it bears scrutiny just the same.

    Analysts believe housing prices may fall by 10 per cent to 15 per cent down the road. That means a household which had paid $1 million for a condo at the peak of the market would be $100,000 to $150,000 poorer if that scenario plays out. With a worst-case scenario of a 30 per cent drop, the household would be $300,000 poorer.

    Since residential properties make up about 48 per cent of total Singaporean assets, this would mean that a big chunk of wealth here would be wiped out on paper if there is a big drop in price.

    It has some economists worrying whether we are too sanguine about the downside risks posed by a falling market - and the impact this has on consumer spending, business confidence and employment.

    UBS economist Edward Teather and UBS strategist Maxmillian Lin warned in a recent 16-page report that the safety cushion which Singaporeans have built up on their household balance sheets may be a source of economic risk, rather than resilience, because the balance sheets have been bloated by high house prices.

    They noted that at the start of the property up-cycle, more people take up housing loans to buy properties.

    This sets off a chain reaction, creating a "wealth effect" which boosts household spending and additional borrowing as people feel richer.

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    But when prices are high, the property market may come under downward pressure as the supply of new homes builds up and housing credit slows down.

    That may, in turn, spark off a vicious cycle of falling consumer spending and declining employment, which would cause asset prices to fall further and hurt a household's net worth.

    The UBS analysts observed that one source of solace regarding the slowing property market is that the household net worth here - at around four times Singapore's GDP - is similar to the wealth levels attained in some other developed economies.

    But that is still lower than the equivalent of five times GDP in household wealth accumulated by Americans in the United States in 2006 - the year before the sub-prime mortgage crisis sank the US economy.

    Even though Americans had all that wealth on their household balance sheets, this did little to prevent the economic crisis that followed, they noted.

    Another concern which they flagged is the often repeated estimate that only about 5 to 10 per cent of borrowers here are over-stretched and that this percentage may rise to between 10 and 15 per cent if mortgage rates rise by 3 percentage points.

    Over-borrowing is seen when a borrower has to spend more than 60 per cent of his monthly income to service his debt payments.

    The UBS analysts argued that while the percentage of over-stretched borrowers may appear modest even in a worst-case scenario, this should not lull us into a state of complacency.

    Using data from the US Mortgage Bankers Association, they noted that at the height of the US housing crisis in August 2008, only 9.2 per cent of all US mortgages were estimated to be delinquent, and that this rose to just 14.4 per cent the following year in September 2009.

    This shows that even when a small segment of mortgages sours, it can have a negative impact on the broader market.

    They said: "We are not saying Singapore's housing market looks like that of the US in 2007, just that there are pockets of risk which matter."

    But the UBS analysts concede that the Government has an arsenal of weapons to combat any slowdown caused by a falling property market.

    Apart from easing up on the cooling measures in the property market, the Government may expand its social safety nets further, while a weaker labour market could prompt an easier currency policy.

    What they have painted is the hypothetical picture of a falling market.

    But for those who hope that prices would fall sharply so that they can pick up their dream property, they should be more careful about what they wish for.

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    This article was first published on August 25, 2014.
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    Let the price fall. Coz thats what the people want. Let it crash they say . public housing should go back to their grand mother time price they say.....

    If it crash and the household is in deep shit then they should look at their neighbours and fellow singaporeans. coz thats what their peer wanted to happen to them.
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    In 1989, my father age 55 year old got his CPF, use SGD 25,000 CASH to Buy a resale 3 room HDB for my grandmother.

    Fast forward today, resale HDB 3 room cost SGD 300,000.

    Can fall to SGD 25,000.?????

    1996 I brought a 5 Room HDB for SGD 250,000. Valuation this years about SGD 600,000 plus can fall to SGD 250,000 ?????

    2006 I brought a 2 Bedroom Condo at SGD 535,000 Valuation SGD 1,550,000 in 2010, call fall to SGD 535,000 ??????

    ECB going to QE soon, interest Rate going up ?????????

    US, UK, Japan, QE already Interest Rate going up ????????
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    A reply to forumer (posted at Feedback Unit on 24.7.2005)

    The push of homeownership HDB flat prices can be seen in perspective as follows:-

    1960 - Bukit Ho Swee fire : The then PM Lee Kuan Yew visted the Bukit Ho Swee fire victimes and proclaimed to start the homeownership scheme to house the people and rebuild BHS.

    Under the Land Acquisition Act he began the Homeownership to build HDB flats and rent or sell them at affordable prices based on construction costs with land costs practically negligible to affect pricing. As long as the construction costs are recovered the HDB were able to sustain the homeownership scheme to keep up providing housing for the people - a primary objective of government.

    1965 - 1970s - Toa Payoh HDB flats in 1969 were sold at construction costs at averagely S$6,200 per unit for 3-room standard unit to S$7,500 for 3-room improved units. 4-room and 5-room units were sold at costs averaging $20,000 and $35,000 respectively depending on location throughout 1970s.

    1980s - property prices surged and some developers were making monies in the property market.

    Government changed the basis of pricing HDG flats without debates or discussions in parliament. HDB overnight became a private developer althogh the original HDB Act stated very clearly its functions are to provide housing for the people to meet the objective or manifestos of governemnt in power.

    There was no accountability and transparency in changing the housing functions or objectives of HDB to that of private developer in 1970s. HDG might have committed a breach or irregularity in such change of the HDB functions without amendments to HDB Act.

    In order to give a semblance of legitimacy, ministers announced that the HDB flat owners should be allowed to have two bites of the cherries and make monies. It liberalized homeownership fnnction to allow PRs from Hongkong etc to purchase the HDB flats to make monies thereby pushing up prices.

    It then goes into designer flats to upgrade the architectural appearance etc so as to charge more monies for flats in some HDB estates. It privatised HUDC to push up their prices.

    It then performed some creative accounting to jack up the prices of lands by transferring lands acquired for housing functions to State Land office which then sells back to HDB at market values so that HDB can sell the flats like the private developer at market land costs instead of original construction costs as done in BHS or Toa Payoh. This is the story or how HDB succeeded in jacking up flat prices to that sold by the private developers forgetting its original funcations as stated in the HDC Act.

    Over the space of a few years an average HDB 3-room flat was sold at S$170 K a 30-fold increases as compared to the 1969 construction-cost price.

    In reply to queries, government ministers failed to disclose that the so-called subsidy of HDB flats the ministers were claiming were actually the result of land costs being jacked up due to creative acccounting with land acquisition profits already transferred to the consolidated account as surpluses of the government.

    These profits amounted to billions which went to paying the billions of salaries to HDB officers very much in the same manner as donation to NKF were paid at 24% to CEO and staff to maintain their highest levels of rewards.

    These facts were not diclosed unfortunately by the ministers in answering to public outcry or queries over profiteering by HDB. In addition the off-budget profits or surpluses made by HDB and statutory boards amounted to billions annually.

    An average household were found to be paying S$500,000 - S$800,000 to the HDB/LTA and became the most heavily indebted people of the world.

    1990s - despite the billions of profits made by HDB the government continues to up the HDB prices to equate to market developers' prices. 3-room HDB flats which cost S$70 - 90 K were sold at S$200 K making extraordinary profits which were not disclosed to the people even in answering questions about excessive HDB prices raised in parliament.

    The questions people have been asking include:-

    (1) Since government has acquired lands at cheap prices under the Land Acquisition Act, and such acquisition costs were paid out of public fund is HDB legally entitled to charge full land costs again in selling of HDB flats.

    (2) What are the construction costs of HDB prices?

    (3) Why change the function of HDB from that stated in the HDB Act without parliament amendment to the Act when HDB varied the pricing formula in 1970s.

    (4) Should HDB be permitted to become private developers. If it is allowed to become one, should government monies be used for developing public housing etc? If there has been no prior approval to this change then how is HDB to provide people with housing by the most economical means at its command including exercise of government power of acquisition of lands under the Land Acquisition Act.

    Government has not done what was right as in the NKF in changing the role of HDB and has failed to disclose the above-stated requested information.

    In other words it became arrogant and refused to disclose factual information relating to repurchasing of lands at market prices from the state land office after profits were taken and transferred to the consolidated account with government making billions before HDB even build the flats.

    When not tell the truths as they are. Why transfer the lands to state land when the are acquired to provide housing for the people as part of the functions of governemnt spelled out in the HDB Act or government manifestos.

    Why not let developers and private businesses make as much monies as possible and try every means to compete with them thereby hurting their economic competitiveness to pay taxes and create jobs for the people.

    By trying to compete with private sector and trying to undermine their making monies in the market place the people and government both will lose at the end.

    http://sgforums.com/forums/10/topics/143994

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    http://www.teoalida.com/singapore/will-prices-drop/

    As you can see in the chart, Singapore HDB flat prices DOUBLED in last 5 years due of insufficient supply of new flats. Would you like to see prices dropping in the next 5 years to the early 2000s value? Think about owners who worked hardly to pay current flats which will lose half of value.
    Check this out: HDB Median Resale Prices by Town - Excel file compiled by me showing price trends PER TOWN since 2007. Updated 25 Jul 2014 (every 3 months).
    The gaps in lines in Excel chart are because HDB do not provide median price if less than 20 flats were transacted per quarter.
    The chart may help (or not) to see if the prices will grow or fall in your town! I am waiting for feedback…



    Chart legend
    Demand for apartments in Singapore was high but felt sharply at 1997 Asian Crisis, about 80.000 flats were under construction and were completed in the following years, resulting in about 40000 unsold flats in the year 2000. 2003 SARS affected economy too, so 5 years were necessary to clear the stock of unsold flats.
    Queue selling system (Registration for Flat) was suspended, Build-To-Order was introduced, and Walk-In-Selection was used temporarily to clear the stock of unsold flats. Resale prices were constant because new flats were available immediately.
    The stock of unsold flats vanished, Walk-In Selection ended in 2007 and was replaced by Sale of Balance Flats that is only twice per year and the applicant ratio is always over 1:10. Buyers who do not want to wait 3-4 years for BTO completion are forced to go in resale market. Resale prices started rising.
    HDB failed to anticipate economy recovering, and ramped up the BTO supply too late and too slow, 5500 BTO flats in 2007, 7800 in 2008, 9000 in 2009 (global recession), 12000? 16000 in 2010, 22000 25000 in 2011, 25000 27000 in 2012, plus some DBSS and EC since 2010, but still not enough to not cope the demand. (strikethrough numbers are initial numbers announced at beginning of year).
    Rising supply of BTOs became visible in 2012, causing a small reduction in resale prices growing rate.
    HDB lowered minimum application rate to 50% in 2011 (was 70% or 80%, not sure), but since mid-2000s to 2013 no BTO had application rate under 100% (except elderly Studio BTO flats).
    SOLUTION to stop prices from rising: launch at least 30000 units of BTO per year, until the applicant ratio drops under 1:1, and set bigger price difference between mature and non-mature estates to harmonize the applicant ratio and avoid oversubscription of certain projects! The leftover flats could be sold later through SOBF.
    Also, HDB should NOT increase MOP because this is lengthening price rising.

    Will prices drop?
    Analysts predicted that the prices in Singapore will start dropping in 2012 (example), as they predicted in 2011, 2010 too. In my forecast, resale flat prices will NOT fall even in 2012, the growth will be slowed down as COV felt a little, but will continue to grow for as many years as HDB refuse to build ahead of demand, forcing us to wait 4 years via BTO!
    The cooling measures from 2011 such as Minimum Occupation Period of 5 years, just make people angry as they can sell their flats only after 9 years after applying for BTO. Stupid MOP cause less flats to enter resale market in the coming years, the number of people not eligible for buying directly from HDB (for example PR) is growing.
    Most of BTOs launched in the 3 years 2009, 2010, 2011 will be completed in only 2 years 2013-2014… ~ 40000 flats to be completed in 2014 alone + 5 years MOP = this may lead to a market crash in 2019. I am not saying that prices will not start to fall earlier, but the biggest price fall can be in 2019.
    Note: The above text was written by my personal research at end of 2011. Later I found a similar research on h88.com.sg dating from Feb 2012, that confirm my hypothesis They say that prices will drop no sooner than 2017! Oh dear…
    During 2014, prices are likely to be stagnant. I estimate max 1-2% fall or rise per quarter. Usually the biggest chance to rise is in Q2 and Q3.
    Multiple cooling measures, such as 3 year waiting period for permanent residents to buy resale flats have created fear that the housing market may crash. I don’t think that PR have big impact on prices, AND there’s one more reason for prices to RISE in 2013-2015: few new flats will enter resale market because HDB increased minimum occupation period in 2010 from 3 to 5 years.
    Prices dropped with 0.7% in Q3 Q3 and 1.3% in Q4 2013 (first drop in 5 years). Such minor drop in prices may cause panic, if many people put their flats for sale in a short period of time, this may trigger a chain reaction in price drop, OR if the panic may be just temporarily and prices may rise back in 2014… in the same time HDB may invent new cooling measures to prevent this. HDB can also invent anti-cooling measures in case prices drop with more than 10% in one year.
    1.5% fall in Q1 2014. I predict that the following quarter will have max 1% drop or rise.
    For more exact predictions, we need to know how much % of the resale flat buyers are PR or singles (ineligible for new flats), and how many are eligible for buying directly from HDB but choose to buy resale flats for whatever reason (waiting time for BTO, unsuccessful applications, small size of new flats, etc).
    Many people blame the PR, but in my opinion they are just a small insignificant percentage. From my personal experience in chatting with website visitors, many people apply only for popular BTO projects that always get oversubscribed, fail to get a good queue number, then decide to go on resale market. I met also rich people who don’t care paying $100K COV to get a good flat.
    Some (how many?) BTO buyers sell their existing flats as soon they get the keys of BTO. This helps increasing supply of resale flats before 2019, the year when many flats will fulfill MOP.
    New BTO flat prices won’t fall accordingly resale prices, they were traditionally priced 20% cheaper than resale prices, but since 2011 were “de-linked” and priced 30% cheaper (even if we exclude grants for first timers) as the HDB anticipated price fall. even if the prices fall 10% for 3 consecutive years, BTO buyers will still have profit from selling their flats. This does not apply for DBSS flats which were overpriced.
    What you should know:
    - Upgrading programmes and upcoming MRT lines also drive up the nationwide resale price index.
    - The size of today flats may encourage people to go in resale market for flats built before 1998 (NOT SURE if this push up the resale prices, record of psf is now hold by resale flats built in 2000s).
    - Prices are most likely to grow in Punggol faster, due of many upcoming developments (remember that several years ago it was cheapest town?). GROW ENDED! Punggol suffered biggest price fall in late 2013, as results of over-speculation during last years.
    - Prices are most likely to fall in the old 10-storey blocks of Queenstown and Toa Payoh that are getting shadowed by the new 40-storey blocks.
    - Prices may fall in Bishan because this area was over-valuated during construction of Circle Line.
    Affordability of HDB flats
    Yes they are still affordable!
    Proof: every launch, the higher priced BTOs (better locations) gets most applicants.
    HDB Website shows application rate. See how 3-room remained unsold and how big is the battle for 5-room despite of higher prices. See the TRUTH about shrinking HDB flat sizes!

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    from 6.2k to 280k is about 9% compound growth per year for 43y (1969-2012)

    the big question, do you expect the same flat (or even new 99LH flat) to grow at 9% pa in the future??

    if this rate is maintained, then 15y later it will break 1million

    25y later it will become 2.6m

    35y later it will become 6.5m

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    This is what's flying in the sky in 1969.


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    http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/...n-eagle-01141/

    Aug 22/14: 32 – 40 F-15SGs. IHS Jane’s Defence Weekly claims that Singapore has ordered 40 F-15SGs, based on Boeing annual reports, official letters within the US government, and civil registration filings.

    A Nov 26/12 letter from the State Department to Speaker of the House John Boehner refers to the “sale, modification, and follow-on support of eight F-15SG aircraft to the Government of Singapore.” Figures released by Boeing also show 8 mystery aircraft within the 93 delivered from 2005 – 2012 (61 ROK + 24 RSAF + 8 ?), so it’s safe to say that the RSAF has at least 32 planes. Jane’s adds that:

    “In January 2014, several aircraft with new serial numbers – 05-0025, 05-0028, 05-0030, 05-0031, and 05-0032 – were seen at Mountain Home AFB. These had not been previously reported and suggest that Singapore has obtained another batch of eight aircraft…. Finally, on 5-6 August 2014, Boeing took out civil aircraft registrations for what it described as F-15SG aircraft: N361SG, N363SG, N366SG, N368SG, N373SG, N376SG, N378SG and N837SG.”

    The assumption that the new serial numbers require 8 new aircraft is in error. Previous serial numberings had been 05-001 to 05-0024, so all these serial numbers confirm is the 2012 growth to 32. The question is whether the civil registration numbers add 8 more planes, creating a fleet of 40, or are being applied to planes 05-0025/32. Sources: IHS Jane’s external link, “Singapore quietly expanding F-15 fleet.”

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    http://www.thirdworldcentre.org/giacleaning.pdf

    SGD 300 million to clean River.

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    http://planyourcity.net/2014/08/07/s...housing-model/

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