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    Hi!, anyone has updates on how is the sales? Heard its sold 50%.

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    This is puzzling. The price seems to be almost the same as Bartley Residence and Ridge.
    With all the cooling measures, rising interest rates and abundance of units in the pipeline, why is the price still holding?
    Is the price psf really about the same as Residence and Ridge or the actual purchase price is 10% or more lower than those 2 other sites?

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    Quote Originally Posted by proxon View Post
    This is puzzling. The price seems to be almost the same as Bartley Residence and Ridge.
    With all the cooling measures, rising interest rates and abundance of units in the pipeline, why is the price still holding?
    Is the price psf really about the same as Residence and Ridge or the actual purchase price is 10% or more lower than those 2 other sites?
    If priced the same two to four years after those two sites released, it means the price has actually dropped factoring wage and materials inflation.

    Note the prices were actually on a trajectory upward before the gazillion CMs and so called huge supply.

    On a more sombre note, I think Govt knows it is unsustainable to keep releasing more sites. Prices are set to slowly sell rather than to sell like cupcakes. Everybody happy strategy.
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    Oh yes, time value of money.
    Why do I keep forgetting about this

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    Anyone knows how many units sold so far?

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    Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

    so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

    TIA!

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    Quote Originally Posted by catechins View Post
    Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

    so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

    TIA!
    With some limited knowledge, the site of this project is actually beside some light industrial buildings. Whether is this good or bad or incconsequential i dont know. Bartley Ridge for example will be nearer to the residential part of the area, maybe has a more homely feel. That said, i think the entire Bartley area is great for connectivity even though in the short short run there may be a perceived lack of amenities. This will also mean you are probably buying into the potential of the area, when the Bidadari town develops hopefully you can offload at a gain! Humble opinions

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    Quote Originally Posted by catechins View Post
    Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

    so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

    TIA!
    I stay at Macpherson area and my place is near Breadtalk HQ. I usually will drive down Upper Paya Lebar road and then Bartley Road to go NEX. I will carry on along Braddell and Lornie road and then enter PIE if I need to go towards west side (Jurong East).

    Depending on the time of the day, traffic on Bartley and Upper Paya Lebar road can be pretty heavy. On Bartley road, you will experience jams due to parents dropping and picking kids up from Maris Stella. Also, jams in the morning when many drivers use Bartley/Braddell/Lornie road as that's part of the larger ring road. Don't forget that traffic also comes from the Tampines/Bedok area through the Bartley viaduct.

    The area where Botanique@Bartley is located is residential area and across it at New Industrial Road are some industrial buildings. Overall, it is a nice and quiet residential area.

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    Frankly, i also find the area very convenient and nice.. can't find what not to like about it....yet... hahaha

    only one thing i think is the limited food places.. but most probably will be solved when more people stay over and with the opening of the Kensington square.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catechins View Post
    Frankly, i also find the area very convenient and nice.. can't find what not to like about it....yet... hahaha

    only one thing i think is the limited food places.. but most probably will be solved when more people stay over and with the opening of the Kensington square.
    Walk towards Tai Seng MRT and there's quite a few nice eatery along the shop houses. There's famous bak ku teh and claypot curry fish head there and not to mention the famous roast meat joint where the owner wanted to sell the recipe for 1 million !

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfanutz View Post
    Walk towards Tai Seng MRT and there's quite a few nice eatery along the shop houses. There's famous bak ku teh and claypot curry fish head there and not to mention the famous roast meat joint where the owner wanted to sell the recipe for 1 million !
    Oooh.. thank you. One day must go and try the food.

    Btw.. heard that there are 278 units sold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by catechins View Post
    Oooh.. thank you. One day must go and try the food.

    Btw.. heard that there are 278 units sold.
    So you bought a unit ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alfanutz View Post
    So you bought a unit ?


    hi, Yes I did. =D

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    Quote Originally Posted by catechins View Post
    hi, Yes I did. =D
    Congrats !

    It is a nice place and I am sure you are looking forward to it !

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    The area along Bartley rd is a very serene & green place (except for noise of school & normal peak hour traffic). About 10 mins walk to both NEX (can cut across estate) & Tai Seng Breadtalk area, cycling is the best IMO.
    Non-peak hour, the place has a Sunday morning feel. As for the new development BRs, Botanique, all have their pros and cons. Those who drive will find that roads leading to the entrances may be blocked by very heavy traffic during peak hr. BRs have the advantage of two roads leading in, Botanique has only 1 if I am not wrong. As for inside, no comments as it's preference of owners. Personally prefer dual key for its practicality of housing 3 gen. Do not think it is ideal as rental as too close for comfort between tenant & owner, prefer agent to be the middleman.

    All this info is pre-bidadari estate development, I believe the landscape will change a lot more post HDB establishment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by catechins View Post
    Not sure if there are anyone staying around bartley or is familar with the place...can share the pro and con of the area?

    so far i have drove to different place from bartley and found that this location is very convenient and accessible to many places in a short time.

    TIA!

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    Default From Bartley Residences thread...

    Any chance of sheltered walkway to MRT for Botanique @ Bartley?

    http://forums.condosingapore.com/sho...dences/page526

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    WHAT'S the pricing for 3bedder?

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    Quote Originally Posted by leesg123 View Post
    WHAT'S the pricing for 3bedder?
    about 1.3m above

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stampee View Post
    about 1.3m above

    I thought 1.3mil is for 3bed premium?

    Anyone went to the showroom recently?

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    Botanique @Bartley (Review)
    By The Folks @PropTalk - July 27, 2015 No Comments

    The wife and I were traveling along Macpherson Road yesterday and lo and behold, the sales gallery of Botanique @Bartley was staring at our faces as we drove towards Paya Lebar Road. Imagine our surprise as we have always assumed that the gallery would be located nearer to the actual site of the project.

    For the uninitiated, the actual site of Botanique @Bartley is located on a corner plot where Bartley Road meets Upper Paya Lebar Road and next-door to the soon-to-TOP Bartley Residences.

    The sales gallery/showflat, however, is located on an empty plot just before the intersection of Macpherson Road and Paya Lebar Road.
    And since we are already here, the wife and I decided that we might as well go in and have a look!

    Botanique @Bartley is a project by UOL Limited which consists of 797 units spread over nine 17-storey towers. It sits on a triangular-shaped plot of about 221,000sqft that slopes gradually down towards the Bartley Road/Upper Paya Lebar Road crossover. The currently expected TOP of the project is in 2019.

    The 99-year leasehold development has apartment types ranging from 1-bedder to 3-bedroom Premium (or what's commonly known as "3+1"). For those who need 4 or more bedrooms or are looking to buy penthouses, you may wanna give this one a miss.

    Entry into the development would be from a slip road along Upper Paya Lebar Road. And as one would expect, Botanique @Bartley is your typical "full facility" project so you get the usual bells and whistles plus a few additional surprises such as a tennis court, which is absent from many new launches these days (as it occupies a fair bit of real estate) and the hilltop clubhouse with its private dining room - something that would be rather useful as you would soon realize why.

    Parking wise, there would be a total of 803 lots (inclusive of 6 handicapped-lots) so it's basically the "one lot per apartment" gig that you get with new projects these days. And since there is no provision for visitor's lot, your friends whose coming to visit would be best advised to take public transport else they might have to try their luck with street parking outside the development.

    The wife and I also noticed that Botanique @Bartley had supposedly garnered quite a few Asia Pacific property awards, which the developer have proudly displayed in the sales gallery.

    We were also told by the marketing agent that the project has already sold about 460 units (i.e. more than 50%) to date, despite some stacks not released for sale yet. However, those sold are mainly the smaller 1- and 2-bedders.

    For the purpose of this review, we would focus on one of the larger apartment type - the 3-Bedroom Premium (Type D1) unit, which is more commonly known as the "3+1" unit type.

    At 1,033sqft, the first word that came to our minds is SMALL - which (sadly) would be a recurring theme in this review.

    The first area that greeted us is the living/dining area, which despite being rectangular in shape (which is good), is probably just half the size of the living room of our current apartment (which is bad). So everything inside has to be small - from the sofa to the dining table, and you would probably not be doing a whole lot of big entertaining in your own home as hosting more than 6 people would make things a tad claustrophobic and as such, this is when the private dining room in the hilltop clubhouse would come in handy. The ceiling height at 2.85m is also nothing much to be excited about.

    However, one consolation is the good-quality marble floor that that comes with the unit, which is a pleasant surprise especially when even the higher-end projects (e.g. d'Leedon and Sky Habitat) these days have homogeneous-tile flooring.

    The kitchen is again a narrow strip of area but the biggest problem we have is not with its size rather the lack of window for ventilation, which means the smoke/smell of your cooking has no escape other than into the living room and laundry area. However, the poor kitchen design is compensated somewhat by the high-end kitchen appliances (from Smeg) and the extra frills (e.g. Smeg coffee maker and Vintec wine fridge) that are provided.

    There is no yard to speak of but you do get a laundry area located at the end of the kitchen where you could house the wash machine and build some storage cupboards (the ones you see in the photo are not included).

    The laundry area opens on the right into a small toilet (which is similar to the ones you usually find in most yard areas) which in turn allows you access to the "plus 1", which is a small room that would probably be used to house the domestic helper or as a study. Although we had termed this room "small", it is actually very generous if used as helper's accommodation and best of all, it also comes with proper windows - which you usually don't find at other projects. The wife and I also liked this unique design as it provides you with an additional "pseudo en-suite" bedroom.

    The two common bedrooms are (you guessed it) small - the photos actually paid them more compliments than they deserved in terms of size.

    One of the bedroom is again "pseudo en-suite" as it is linked to the common bathroom - a feature we liked - but you would have to always remember to lock the other access door from the walkway to prevent the wrong kinda exposure when you are using the toilet from within the bedroom.

    We also liked the good-quality flooring in the bedrooms, which we were told is made of American White Oak.

    The common bathroom is of adequate size and comes with a large set of windows for ventilation but it is not handicapped friendly as you are unlikely to be able to maneuver a wheelchair inside.The wife and I liked the color combination of the floor and wall tiles while the bathroom fittings (from Keramag and Hansgrohe) are not too shabby either. Alas, a rain-shower system would have make things complete.

    The master bedroom will only leave you with walking space after fitting-in a King bed but you do get a monster-sized (compared to most other new projects anyway) wardrobe that should reduce the need for couple to argue over "who should get what space".

    The master bathroom is almost an exact replica of the common bathroom in terms of look and feel but you do get the "rain shower" and a wall-mounted toilet with this one.

    Pricing wise, there are only 4 stacks of 3-Bedroom Premium apartments in Botanique @Bartley and below are samples of prices for selected units in Stack #3, which is considered the best stack given its full pool-facing view:

    - Unit 16-03: $1.426 million or $1,380psf
    - Unit 12-03: $1.407 million or $1,362psf
    - Unit 03-03: $1.367 million or $1,323psf

    What we like:

    1. Despite its small size, the apartment's layout is fully optimized and very functional.

    2. You get not just one but THREE en suite bedrooms (albeit the other two being "pseudo en-suite"), which is definitely a strong selling point.

    3. The good quality furnishing and fittings, which are akin to what you would expect from high-end projects.

    4. Proximity (about a 5-minute walk) to the Bartley MRT station via a side-gate along Bartley Road.

    5. The competitive pricing (both in terms of psf and quantum), which might account for the strong sales so far - the marketing person had kept harping on the fact that the fully-sold Bartley Residences that's next-door are currently reselling at around $1,500 - $1,800psf, which means you would already have made a paper-profit immediately upon purchase.

    What we do not quite like:

    1. Everything just screamed of "small" when comes to the 3-bedroom premium unit at Bontanique @Bartley - Call us "spoiled" if you wanna but the wife and I just couldn't imagine our family of 4 calling an interior space of about 1,000sqft "home". I have told the wife in jest that she would either be left with just a husband OR son as only one of us would probably survive after strangling each other over excessive noise output!

    2. No window in the kitchen means the house would become a mini gas-chamber and smell like what you cook. And making Kung Pow Chicken would probably be a bad idea!

    3. The lack of a proper yard or laundry drying area would mean that you would have to invest in a washing machine cum drying or alternatively, hang your laundry out to dry at the balcony. However, the wife and I were told that the development would have a laundromat so that might be the solution to all your laundry woes.

    4. The lack of shelter from the development to Bartley MRT station would necessarily mean that it would either be a hot+sweaty or wet+bothered walk to the MRT.

    5. The traffic along Bartley Road and Upper Paya Lebar Road are heavy especially during the morning and evening rush hours and as such, owners of units that face these busy stretch of roads would either have to be immune to traffic noises or keep their windows shut most of the time.

    6. The wife and I could only identify one school - Maris Stellar High (Primary) - that is within 1-km of Botanique @Bartley. This may be a consideration for some parents when comes to primary school registration.

    Our parting shot

    The wife and I felt that Botanique @Bartley is indeed a quality project priced at reasonably attractive psf and quantum. As such, it would definitely warrant a visit by prospective buyers... provided that they are comfortable with small living spaces.

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    Botanique @Bartley (Review)
    By The Folks @PropTalk - July 27, 2015 No Comments

    The wife and I were traveling along Macpherson Road yesterday and lo and behold, the sales gallery of Botanique @Bartley was staring at our faces as we drove towards Paya Lebar Road. Imagine our surprise as we have always assumed that the gallery would be located nearer to the actual site of the project.

    For the uninitiated, the actual site of Botanique @Bartley is located on a corner plot where Bartley Road meets Upper Paya Lebar Road and next-door to the soon-to-TOP Bartley Residences.

    The sales gallery/showflat, however, is located on an empty plot just before the intersection of Macpherson Road and Paya Lebar Road.
    And since we are already here, the wife and I decided that we might as well go in and have a look!

    Botanique @Bartley is a project by UOL Limited which consists of 797 units spread over nine 17-storey towers. It sits on a triangular-shaped plot of about 221,000sqft that slopes gradually down towards the Bartley Road/Upper Paya Lebar Road crossover. The currently expected TOP of the project is in 2019.

    The 99-year leasehold development has apartment types ranging from 1-bedder to 3-bedroom Premium (or what's commonly known as "3+1"). For those who need 4 or more bedrooms or are looking to buy penthouses, you may wanna give this one a miss.

    Entry into the development would be from a slip road along Upper Paya Lebar Road. And as one would expect, Botanique @Bartley is your typical "full facility" project so you get the usual bells and whistles plus a few additional surprises such as a tennis court, which is absent from many new launches these days (as it occupies a fair bit of real estate) and the hilltop clubhouse with its private dining room - something that would be rather useful as you would soon realize why.

    Parking wise, there would be a total of 803 lots (inclusive of 6 handicapped-lots) so it's basically the "one lot per apartment" gig that you get with new projects these days. And since there is no provision for visitor's lot, your friends whose coming to visit would be best advised to take public transport else they might have to try their luck with street parking outside the development.

    The wife and I also noticed that Botanique @Bartley had supposedly garnered quite a few Asia Pacific property awards, which the developer have proudly displayed in the sales gallery.

    We were also told by the marketing agent that the project has already sold about 460 units (i.e. more than 50%) to date, despite some stacks not released for sale yet. However, those sold are mainly the smaller 1- and 2-bedders.

    For the purpose of this review, we would focus on one of the larger apartment type - the 3-Bedroom Premium (Type D1) unit, which is more commonly known as the "3+1" unit type.

    At 1,033sqft, the first word that came to our minds is SMALL - which (sadly) would be a recurring theme in this review.

    The first area that greeted us is the living/dining area, which despite being rectangular in shape (which is good), is probably just half the size of the living room of our current apartment (which is bad). So everything inside has to be small - from the sofa to the dining table, and you would probably not be doing a whole lot of big entertaining in your own home as hosting more than 6 people would make things a tad claustrophobic and as such, this is when the private dining room in the hilltop clubhouse would come in handy. The ceiling height at 2.85m is also nothing much to be excited about.

    However, one consolation is the good-quality marble floor that that comes with the unit, which is a pleasant surprise especially when even the higher-end projects (e.g. d'Leedon and Sky Habitat) these days have homogeneous-tile flooring.

    The kitchen is again a narrow strip of area but the biggest problem we have is not with its size rather the lack of window for ventilation, which means the smoke/smell of your cooking has no escape other than into the living room and laundry area. However, the poor kitchen design is compensated somewhat by the high-end kitchen appliances (from Smeg) and the extra frills (e.g. Smeg coffee maker and Vintec wine fridge) that are provided.

    There is no yard to speak of but you do get a laundry area located at the end of the kitchen where you could house the wash machine and build some storage cupboards (the ones you see in the photo are not included).

    The laundry area opens on the right into a small toilet (which is similar to the ones you usually find in most yard areas) which in turn allows you access to the "plus 1", which is a small room that would probably be used to house the domestic helper or as a study. Although we had termed this room "small", it is actually very generous if used as helper's accommodation and best of all, it also comes with proper windows - which you usually don't find at other projects. The wife and I also liked this unique design as it provides you with an additional "pseudo en-suite" bedroom.

    The two common bedrooms are (you guessed it) small - the photos actually paid them more compliments than they deserved in terms of size.

    One of the bedroom is again "pseudo en-suite" as it is linked to the common bathroom - a feature we liked - but you would have to always remember to lock the other access door from the walkway to prevent the wrong kinda exposure when you are using the toilet from within the bedroom.

    We also liked the good-quality flooring in the bedrooms, which we were told is made of American White Oak.

    The common bathroom is of adequate size and comes with a large set of windows for ventilation but it is not handicapped friendly as you are unlikely to be able to maneuver a wheelchair inside.The wife and I liked the color combination of the floor and wall tiles while the bathroom fittings (from Keramag and Hansgrohe) are not too shabby either. Alas, a rain-shower system would have make things complete.

    The master bedroom will only leave you with walking space after fitting-in a King bed but you do get a monster-sized (compared to most other new projects anyway) wardrobe that should reduce the need for couple to argue over "who should get what space".

    The master bathroom is almost an exact replica of the common bathroom in terms of look and feel but you do get the "rain shower" and a wall-mounted toilet with this one.

    Pricing wise, there are only 4 stacks of 3-Bedroom Premium apartments in Botanique @Bartley and below are samples of prices for selected units in Stack #3, which is considered the best stack given its full pool-facing view:

    - Unit 16-03: $1.426 million or $1,380psf
    - Unit 12-03: $1.407 million or $1,362psf
    - Unit 03-03: $1.367 million or $1,323psf

    What we like:

    1. Despite its small size, the apartment's layout is fully optimized and very functional.

    2. You get not just one but THREE en suite bedrooms (albeit the other two being "pseudo en-suite"), which is definitely a strong selling point.

    3. The good quality furnishing and fittings, which are akin to what you would expect from high-end projects.

    4. Proximity (about a 5-minute walk) to the Bartley MRT station via a side-gate along Bartley Road.

    5. The competitive pricing (both in terms of psf and quantum), which might account for the strong sales so far - the marketing person had kept harping on the fact that the fully-sold Bartley Residences that's next-door are currently reselling at around $1,500 - $1,800psf, which means you would already have made a paper-profit immediately upon purchase.

    What we do not quite like:

    1. Everything just screamed of "small" when comes to the 3-bedroom premium unit at Bontanique @Bartley - Call us "spoiled" if you wanna but the wife and I just couldn't imagine our family of 4 calling an interior space of about 1,000sqft "home". I have told the wife in jest that she would either be left with just a husband OR son as only one of us would probably survive after strangling each other over excessive noise output!

    2. No window in the kitchen means the house would become a mini gas-chamber and smell like what you cook. And making Kung Pow Chicken would probably be a bad idea!

    3. The lack of a proper yard or laundry drying area would mean that you would have to invest in a washing machine cum drying or alternatively, hang your laundry out to dry at the balcony. However, the wife and I were told that the development would have a laundromat so that might be the solution to all your laundry woes.

    4. The lack of shelter from the development to Bartley MRT station would necessarily mean that it would either be a hot+sweaty or wet+bothered walk to the MRT.

    5. The traffic along Bartley Road and Upper Paya Lebar Road are heavy especially during the morning and evening rush hours and as such, owners of units that face these busy stretch of roads would either have to be immune to traffic noises or keep their windows shut most of the time.

    6. The wife and I could only identify one school - Maris Stellar High (Primary) - that is within 1-km of Botanique @Bartley. This may be a consideration for some parents when comes to primary school registration.

    Our parting shot

    The wife and I felt that Botanique @Bartley is indeed a quality project priced at reasonably attractive psf and quantum. As such, it would definitely warrant a visit by prospective buyers... provided that they are comfortable with small living spaces.

    [UNQUOTE]
    Nowadays still got reasonably priced projects with affordable quantum with BIG living spaces?
    Is the author from Mars or Venus???
    Hello… This Spore le…
    HK our role model ok…

    LOL

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    Actually the author is just putting down his honest unbiased views objectively for the greater good. Especially breaking down the pros and cons of what they see. Im sure most people enjoy reading such writeup and even find it a useful supplement to what they know.

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    Which condo is better for investment and has better future development n growth?
    botanique and sim urban oasis.

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    13. Botanique at Bartley @ Upper Paya Lebar Road D19 - https://www.facebook.com/groups/902390973159885/ - 3 members

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    Hi all,

    We have just started a Facebook group for all Botanique residents. Please join our page here (https://www.facebook.com/groups/botaniqueatbartley/) if you've already bought a unit and are waiting for this project to TOP. We welcome all residents to share, discuss and follow the development of our new home, its facilities and any other information leading up to the TOP of this project.

    Thank you!

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    Botanique @ Bartley is the best selling projects for a few quarters in 2015. Is Botanique at Bartley Showflat still available?

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    Botanique at bartley showflat is still available

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    Quote Originally Posted by unclesam View Post
    Botanique at bartley showflat is still available

    Botanique at Bartley showflat is off site at MacPherson. I have to mention that the showflat is beautiful.

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    the stacks facing bartley secondary school - will it be noisy due to school?

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