Amber
As an Indonesian, you certainly see Singapore as a haven on earth and that I respect. We Singaporeans tend to compare ourselves to the best of the world. That is the standard we expect from ourselves and the government. Do you know that our top 4% of our brains are leaving Singapore?Originally Posted by indomie
We remain as polite in our choice of words as well.
Amber
Agree with you that your Indonesia government plays an insignificant part of your life. Here in Singapore, the government tends to decide everything for us in our lives. That is not good to a great extend. However, having said that, it is the role of a good government to provide an environment where there is real academic freedom and people can decide for themselves what kind of society they want and not what the government tell you how we should live our lives.
Ultimate Underdog
Brother Teddy, Nation before family before self.
Continued success in the face of huge obstacles ahead must never be taken for granted.
The govt then would not have the budget to acquire my ancestral lands. But in place, the family units under my clan were all given huge subsidies to buy HDBs.
Some have made use of it to get even more in life.
It's over, done, concluded. No point still harping on it.
The three laws of Kelonguni:
Where there is kelong, there is guni.
No kelong no guni.
More kelong = more guni.
Junior
Sister amber woods, forgive my choice of words. However, freedom by itself is a meaningless words. Just like how my teenage son often use. From achivements then come more freedom. Not from freedom then u have more achievements.
Amber
It is because Singaporeans have achieved these much and now we are turning towards more freedom. This, we have much in common. Maslow Hierarchy of Needs is evident in every human.
Junior
Actually the solution is quite simple. If u want unstructured education for your children. Just sent them to any 3rd world countries.
Junior
Latest predictions
HBT - SDP to win 51% PAP 49%
(a reversal from 2 days ago at PAP 59% SDP 41%)
Ultimate Underdog
Certain types of freedom are free and we have them.
Certain types of freedom incur small to medium costs and Singapore definitely excels here as well.
Certain types of freedom are very costly and I am not sure if a tiny red dot like us can afford it. Japan or Greek style of freedom is too risky for us I believe.
The three laws of Kelonguni:
Where there is kelong, there is guni.
No kelong no guni.
More kelong = more guni.
Ultimate Underdog
Your reversal is very drastic. Kelongism?
The three laws of Kelonguni:
Where there is kelong, there is guni.
No kelong no guni.
More kelong = more guni.
Global recession is coming....
Where you get the predictions? Bookie rate?
Where to find Bookie rate?
:)
All the HDB carpark electronic gantry barriers are up today? Even normal Sundays and public holidays they are down (just lift up and down for passage) with no charge for those car parks with free parking.
Junior
Where you get the predictions? Bookie rate?
Where to find Bookie rate?
These predictions are from uncles and aunties from coffee shop
go to coffee shop talk to them, got a lot of these type of kangtao
Junior
Win for PAP in West Coast and AMK
64% and 56% resp
this type of coffee shop talk can be quite accurate
Remember 2011 Aljunied ?
Global recession is coming....
I believe PAP will win big in West Coast and Western side of Singapore, including North-West
So, yes, West Coast most likely >64%, AMK high chance >60% (my own prediction) ..........
Newbie
Whoever wins please give me a Laissez-faire economy... Overregulation kills the economy...
Senior
my friend's grandfather was forced to sell his land at 'cents' those day ....govt wanted to build a container park...
that was in the 70's ...
today , the land is still a forest ... the stretch from King Albert park to the nursery on CLementi road ...
huge land facing Ngee Ann poly...
so forced land acquisition for something that never took place...
Junior
you made it sound like whoevere votes for PAP is either ill informed or in fear, and whoever votes for oppo is better informed and more "educated" ? Haha what's new. So full of yourself: "I know better therefore I vote for oppo". Try just changing that "oppo" word with "PAP", you are the exact person you so eloquently despised just a minute ago.
And they way you say it, as if it is a FACT, not an opinion, and a very biased opinion at it.
Does it ever occur to you, that in this era, EVERYONE is well informed ? Some may be even better informed than you! Ppl all make well informed decision. My decision turns out to be PAP, yours turns out to be oppo. Nothing wrong with that. So drop your righteous tone that only you are properly informed and only you make the right decision.
In a democratic society, the will of the majority prevails. You can say whatever you want, the truth is, there are indeed 60% of ppl who like PAP policies. They are not less informed. They just disagree with you, and they happen to be majority. So minority loses in this democracy , whether you like it or not. Nobody says you are wrong. You are just not the majority, so stop complaining others are "in fear, not well educated"
We can debate policy pitfalls and rights and wrongs and all that. That's healthy debate. But the fact that you think only you "know the truth" is a clear sign that you are just as zealos as those "PAP run dogs" you all like to ridicule at, just from the other side.
So drop all this pretense. Let's talk about the actual policies you disagree with. Instead of " I know better, you are just too stupid to see it". Most of the pro/anti PAP posts earlier in this thread are quite valid, nothing wrong with that.
Junior
So unfair right ? Yup. What to do. The world is never fair.
Had the world been fair, 1 MYR should be worth 3 SGD, not the other way round. On what basis can this tiny currency with no hard asset to back up be worth more than a currency which should have all the hard assets (resources) to back up ?
This world today is a total capitalist world. Taking advantage while you can, whether at a national level, or at international level, is name of the game. PAP is just a pure pragmatic capitalist party. Thank god they are not yet corrupted like the Communist Party of China. As long as this is still the case, ppl will vote for PAP.
Global recession is coming....
It is clear now (in reflection) that the purpose of "Compulsory Land Acquisition" touted for "National Development" is to nationalize most privately owned land in Singapore, rather than for immediate national development.
So, time to nationalize SMRT and ComfortDelgro to improve public transport service?
This will be for the wholly good of Singapore! (just like "Compulsory Land Acquisition"!)
Amber
We must have a macro view of what I said about our local controlled media and the lack of academic freedom. Friends in the media and other foreigner friends living in Singapore confirmed that Singaporeans generally trust what they read from the local newspapers. As we all know, the local media being a controlled media, always present information in a way that you should know and you should believe which over the years form our values and thinking.
However, the advent of the internet allows more Singaporeans to information which give them a different perspective. Many more educated Singaporeans now believe that a one-party system of government is not sustainable in the longer term. Hence, GE 2011 saw the change in political attitude.
Please do not take offend for those who believe that a one-party system of government is good and sustainable. I am merely stating the changing in attitude of Singaporeans as evident from the result of GE 2011.
There was nothing in my message to suggest that our local graduates are inferior. I am merely stating that due to our controlled media and lack of academic freedom over the last 50 years, our local graduates are not able to compete with the best in the world. This is evident by the lack of local talents taking up top management positions in Singapore. The ruling party is well aware of the problem and WP has been advocating for more Singaporeans taking up senior management positions.
Look at the banking industry some 20 years ago. The top management positions are mostly Singaporeans. Today, there just few Singaporeans heading these positions.
Newbie
What you read on the internet might not be true or with other agendas hidden into it.
Junior
majority has not fire.
It can be easily observed at pedestrian crossings.
When there is no car on the road, people still wait for green man to turn on.
if slight trangression (jaywalking) also dont want to commit with no policemen around, what more can i say?
Ultimate Underdog
People wanting to teach their children the right way to cross the road?majority has not fire.
It can be easily observed at pedestrian crossings.
When there is no car on the road, people still wait for green man to turn on.
if slight trangression (jaywalking) also dont want to commit with no policemen around, what more can i say?
The three laws of Kelonguni:
Where there is kelong, there is guni.
No kelong no guni.
More kelong = more guni.
Ultimate Underdog
AMK 56% is a definite vote of no confidence in our PM.
Accurate? I guess we will know by around 9pm plus.
The three laws of Kelonguni:
Where there is kelong, there is guni.
No kelong no guni.
More kelong = more guni.
Junior
How can you compare country development with criminal? Didn't the judge find out the reason behind the crime before a sentence is passed. If want to compare, there are lots of things to compare. Why some people are born under the golden spoon while some are born under the "rusty" spoon? Why some are born to be smarter while some are just average or below average? Why some are born to be healthy while some are born to have lots of sickness? Why some parents passed away while their children are still young while some parents can have a long life?
Junior
Dear Kelonguni
can be accurate last time does not mean can be accurate this time
As for AMK ward, think the voters there are intelligent people
they will not oppose for the sake of opposing, above 60% to PAP ?
Other area of contest
believe it will be a close fight in all PAP vs WP ward
Dark Horse this GE 2015
Dr Chee SJ of SDP
will be a very close fight
in fact all eyes will be focusing here
for me, just take it with a pinch of salt while mingling with the uncles
for the fun of it
West Coast and Jurong ground not ripe yet for Alternative Party
PAP can still enjoy above national average in term of percentage win
Junior
Talk about education, I have a Chinese Indonesian sister-in-law, she is a Literauture University Graduate in Indonesia. I was surprised when she couldn't even teach her Pr 2 son mathematics. She said it was so tricky, even for English, she also face some problem because she said our education system is so different. When she first married to S'pore, she is a bit "Ya-ya", thinking that she is a graduate. When her children started schooling, then she realised that our s'pore education system is actually not easy, later she admitted that her University education is just equivalent to our "A" level.
Initially she even commented on our CPF and restriction on property purchase, now she has admitted that all these are good for the citizens.
Sorry, I'm not saying that Indonesian education is lousy but simply because of different education system and also learn different things.
Last edited by irisng; 11-09-15 at 16:25.
Global recession is coming....
But you are saying Singapore got "no choice" but to perform "Compulsory Land Acquisition",
isn't this the same as saying that the Communist Countries like China got "no choice" but to perform "Compulsory Land Acquisition" as well, what is the difference then?
And did Hong Kong perform "Compulsory Land Acquisition" as well since they are so small and their population is double of Singapore?
Junior
to win the heaven and the earth
first must win the hearts of the people
http://redwiretimes.com/kua-politics...ey-could-vote/
Global recession is coming....
There is no denying that the news media in Singapore has been controlled, since we know that the Chief Editors must received the endorsement of the Government. Even today, all 5 newspapers in Singapore are owned by SPH and not independent parties.
Thanks to Internet, we get to know more than what we will know from news media.
In fact, a more appropriate phrase to say is that we should take everything we read with a large pinch of salt, regardless of internet or news media, everybody can be biased in some ways
In the early days, filtering and blocking on internet had been done as well (as far as I know). They seem to be starting to try to control internet again with all those bills on internet websites etc. Not only that, have you heard of PAP Internet Brigade?
Last edited by teddybear; 11-09-15 at 17:33.
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