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    As rents plunge, so do luxury home prices

    Apr 18, 2016

    More sellers booking losses; some selling due to job losses, others fear outlook may worsen

    Rennie Whang


    Prices of luxury homes are hitting new lows at several developments as owners offload properties amid plunging rents.

    An owner at Cairnhill Plaza is said to have sold his roughly 3,000 sq ft four-bedder for about $1,300 per sq ft (psf) - the lowest psf price recorded at the project since 2007.

    It is believed he was pressured to sell as his private bank did not want to handle an auction sale.

    A 678 sq ft studio apartment at The Sail @ Marina Bay went for $1,475 psf in late February, a price not seen at the project in over five years.

    Some owners are selling due to business problems or job losses, experts noted. Others may fear the outlook could deteriorate further.

    Said Ms Suzie Mok, senior director of investment sales at Savills Singapore: "Many of the apartments are vacant and it is quite difficult to get leases renewed at a good rate. The returns are not that great and if owners have made capital gains, it may be time to recycle (the asset)."

    While not all sellers would have lost money - The Sail @ Marina Bay was launched in 2004 at prices from about $900 psf, for example - more sellers are booking losses.

    Across the Core Central Region (CCR) - which includes the traditional prime Districts 9 to 11, the downtown core planning area and Sentosa Cove - 63 secondary market sales of condos lost money in the first quarter, according to SRX Property.

    This is up from 35 of such sales a year earlier and 60 in the fourth quarter last year.

    At Orange Grove Residences, for example, all three transactions this year have each involved losses of close to $1 million.

    The rental market is the key culprit as it struggles with weakened demand and ramped-up supply.

    Expatriates arriving these days tend to be at the middle-management or executive level, with far less generous housing budgets than in the past, said Mr Desmond Sim, CBRE head of research for Singapore and South-east Asia.

    There is no longer demand for the large luxury units that are common to the CCR, he noted.

    And while the Urban Redevelopment Authority's rental index for non-landed homes in the CCR has fallen just 7.9 per cent from its peak in the third quarter of 2013 to the end of last year, rents on a quantum basis have probably corrected more than that, Mr Sim added.

    This is because shrinking unit sizes over time would have helped prop up rents on a psf basis.

    At Draycott Eight, for example, recent contracts signed for four-bedders have fallen to as low as $13,000 a month, well under the $15,000 to $20,000 they used to command.

    Luxury homebuyers today tend to be Singaporeans purchasing for their own use, usually as holiday homes or gifts to their children, said DTZ regional head (SEA) of research Lee Nai Jia.

    "Hence they are not concerned about the rental yield. Some are entering the market at this point as the prices are relatively cheap, compared to when the property was launched or sold three or four years ago."

    Other buyers feel the Additional Buyers' Stamp Duty will probably not be tweaked in the short term and do not wish to wait longer.

    Foreign buyers, who are still in the minority, are mainly Malaysian and Indonesian permanent residents purchasing homes in Singapore as their children are studying here, Dr Lee added.

    At the same time, funds continue to be on the hunt for unsold units from developers.

    A fund run by Evia Capital Partners is said to have recently bought 20 units at Starlight Suites in River Valley from developer TA Corporation. Evia Real Estate managing director Vincent Ong said on Thursday that he could neither confirm nor deny the purchase. TA Corporation declined to comment.

    "These funds feel commercial values have not come off enough, but residential is cheap," an agent said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reporter2 View Post

    Expatriates arriving these days tend to be at the middle-management or executive level, with far less generous housing budgets than in the past, said Mr Desmond Sim, CBRE head of research for Singapore and South-east Asia.

    There is no longer demand for the large luxury units that are common to the CCR, he noted.

    And while the Urban Redevelopment Authority's rental index for non-landed homes in the CCR has fallen just 7.9 per cent from its peak in the third quarter of 2013 to the end of last year, rents on a quantum basis have probably corrected more than that, Mr Sim added.

    This is because shrinking unit sizes over time would have helped prop up rents on a psf basis.

    At Draycott Eight, for example, recent contracts signed for four-bedders have fallen to as low as $13,000 a month, well under the $15,000 to $20,000 they used to command.

    At the same time, funds continue to be on the hunt for unsold units from developers.

    A fund run by Evia Capital Partners is said to have recently bought 20 units at Starlight Suites in River Valley from developer TA Corporation. Evia Real Estate managing director Vincent Ong said on Thursday that he could neither confirm nor deny the purchase. TA Corporation declined to comment.

    "These funds feel commercial values have not come off enough, but residential is cheap," an agent said.
    Mr. Sim said "There is no longer demand for the large luxury units that are common to the CCR" then

    the article goes on to give the example of rent falling.

    "At Draycott Eight, for example, recent contracts signed for four-bedders have fallen to as low as $13,000 a month, well under the $15,000 to $20,000 they used to command."

    and also an example of fund bulk buying (presumably for rental).

    Mr. Desmond Sim, you are head of CBRE research. Its a fact that rents have dropped but you are very unprofessional to say, "There is NO LONGER DEMAND"

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter View Post
    Mr. Sim said "There is no longer demand for the large luxury units that are common to the CCR" then

    the article goes on to give the example of rent falling.

    "At Draycott Eight, for example, recent contracts signed for four-bedders have fallen to as low as $13,000 a month, well under the $15,000 to $20,000 they used to command."

    and also an example of fund bulk buying (presumably for rental).

    Mr. Desmond Sim, you are head of CBRE research. Its a fact that rents have dropped but you are very unprofessional to say, "There is NO LONGER DEMAND"
    Bargain hunter, even you said many times before there is no longer demand for large new units in CCR.

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    "No longer demand"?
    Means "No demand anymore"?
    Means ZERO rental contract signed for large CCR units?

    When shit hit the fence, I also can only say OCR private properties has low rental demand (because supply much more than demand) and difficult to find tenant even at such low rent of $1500 pm for a 3-bedders and not "no longer demand" or ZERO demand..........

    Quote Originally Posted by stalingrad View Post
    Bargain hunter, even you said many times before there is no longer demand for large new units in CCR.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stalingrad View Post
    Bargain hunter, even you said many times before there is no longer demand for large new units in CCR.
    i don't think i said that. i remembered at the peak i said record psf should not be associated with big units the same way they are associated with small units.

    when TDSR hit, i said big units are gonna suffer. suffer they did and as a bargain hunter, i now say that some units (which do have tenant value) have suffered enough. very selectively and varies from project to project.

    i don't think i said there is no demand. throughout the bear i had maintained my stance that big units will be rare going forward. while they had been overpriced and a correction to sort everything out is still underway, they will be rare going forward.

    at the same rent, how can there be no demand for big units. everyone wants to live comfortably if they can afford it. u will probably say that, not u, u would rent carabelle over CCR anytime but let's say a 2000 sq ft brand new CCR cuts its rent to 5k, same as your carabelle, there are bound to be tenants who would choose this CCR vs carabelle. it can't be NO LONGER DEMAND.

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    So Stalingrad trying to put words into your mouth again? Oh gosh!


    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter View Post
    i don't think i said that. i remembered at the peak i said record psf should not be associated with big units the same way they are associated with small units.

    when TDSR hit, i said big units are gonna suffer. suffer they did and as a bargain hunter, i now say that some units (which do have tenant value) have suffered enough. very selectively and varies from project to project.

    i don't think i said there is no demand. throughout the bear i had maintained my stance that big units will be rare going forward. while they had been overpriced and a correction to sort everything out is still underway, they will be rare going forward.

    at the same rent, how can there be no demand for big units. everyone wants to live comfortably if they can afford it. u will probably say that, not u, u would rent carabelle over CCR anytime but let's say a 2000 sq ft brand new CCR cuts its rent to 5k, same as your carabelle, there are bound to be tenants who would choose this CCR vs carabelle. it can't be NO LONGER DEMAND.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    "No longer demand"?
    Means "No demand anymore"?
    Means ZERO rental contract signed for large CCR units?

    When shit hit the fence, I also can only say OCR private properties has low rental demand (because supply much more than demand) and difficult to find tenant even at such low rent of $1500 pm for a 3-bedders and not "no longer demand" or ZERO demand..........
    Can share where got 1500 for 3 bedrooms.

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    Over!
    But you will see it again in future, watch out OCR private condo rentals.................

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcachon View Post
    Can share where got 1500 for 3 bedrooms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by teddybear View Post
    Over!
    But you will see it again in future, watch out OCR private condo rentals.................
    So when Ocr 3 bedroom is 1500, what is rental for 3 bed room in ccr?

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    lol if OCR 3 bdrm is 1500 then u can be sure CCR 3 bdrm is 2500 and hdb 4 room is 1000...
    and i guess that makes you happy...dunno why u are so keen to see OCR price collapse...
    seems like u are sore abt something...

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    Quote Originally Posted by nydeidith View Post
    lol if OCR 3 bdrm is 1500 then u can be sure CCR 3 bdrm is 2500 and hdb 4 room is 1000...
    and i guess that makes you happy...dunno why u are so keen to see OCR price collapse...
    seems like u are sore abt something...
    Not yet $1500 la.

    My friend just rented his foresque residences in the west for $2300 per month, 3 bedded, 1200 sq ft

    Wow, cheaper than my contractor 4 room hdb in telok blangah, $2700.

    What is happending? He seems desperate....

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    a smart investor will not haggle over a few 100's .....

    better to secure a tenant for the next 2 yrs asap, rather than insisting on a price and remain untenanted for months ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werther View Post
    Not yet $1500 la.

    My friend just rented his foresque residences in the west for $2300 per month, 3 bedded, 1200 sq ft

    Wow, cheaper than my contractor 4 room hdb in telok blangah, $2700.

    What is happending? He seems desperate....
    Low floor? Why so anxious to break record? Anyway, got rent better than leave empty.

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    Yah odd. Got a colleague rent there around 3K but high floor.

    Quote Originally Posted by challenger View Post
    Low floor? Why so anxious to break record? Anyway, got rent better than leave empty.
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werther View Post
    Not yet $1500 la.

    My friend just rented his foresque residences in the west for $2300 per month, 3 bedded, 1200 sq ft

    Wow, cheaper than my contractor 4 room hdb in telok blangah, $2700.

    What is happending? He seems desperate....
    Location, foresque residences at bukit panjang. Bukit panjang 5room bto 300k-350k

    Telok blangah nearer to town, fuji Xerox building, casino
    Last edited by jwong71; 20-04-16 at 04:22.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werther View Post
    Not yet $1500 la.

    My friend just rented his foresque residences in the west for $2300 per month, 3 bedded, 1200 sq ft

    Wow, cheaper than my contractor 4 room hdb in telok blangah, $2700.

    What is happending? He seems desperate....
    seems like tenants really prefer nearer to mrt? nevermind the exotic greenery etc? my friend rented his bukit batok hdb out at 2.3k.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter View Post
    seems like tenants really prefer nearer to mrt? nevermind the exotic greenery etc? my friend rented his bukit batok hdb out at 2.3k.
    transport links are very important. near MRT more practical than exotic greenery.
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    Quote Originally Posted by proud owner View Post
    a smart investor will not haggle over a few 100's .....

    better to secure a tenant for the next 2 yrs asap, rather than insisting on a price and remain untenanted for months ...
    Good tenant profile better than that few $100's
    The most successful investors are defined by their actions in a bear market, not a bull market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabe View Post
    transport links are very important. near MRT more practical than exotic greenery.
    Yes, glad I bought my investment condo which is right opposite MRT...probably why it is easy to rent out.

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    Aren't you the TS of the "My plan to retire in Malaysia soon"?
    The most successful investors are defined by their actions in a bear market, not a bull market.

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    She has got several properties including MM I think.

    MRT, school, employment clusters. All these are important factors.

    If selling price not too much higher, can buy near MRT. If buying price much lower, a little farther from MRT still ok (but still within 800m).

    Quote Originally Posted by wannabe View Post
    Aren't you the TS of the "My plan to retire in Malaysia soon"?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    She has got several properties including MM I think.

    MRT, school, employment clusters. All these are important factors.

    If selling price not too much higher, can buy near MRT. If buying price much lower, a little farther from MRT still ok (but still within 800m).
    ya i know. i'm her fan.
    LOL
    Next time with so many condos out in the market...those that are not near MRT will have a hard time to find tenants.
    Transport costs in SG can only keep going up.
    Even if one can afford a car, imagine what the car population be like in 5-10years time.
    Constantly stuck in jams everyday.
    The most successful investors are defined by their actions in a bear market, not a bull market.

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    If the property is within walking distance to a good school or foreign school or employment cluster, will still have strong rental base. MRT is good for rental, but tends to be very densely built so there is a trade off in privacy if you ever consider to retire there.


    Quote Originally Posted by wannabe View Post
    ya i know. i'm her fan.
    LOL
    Next time with so many condos out in the market...those that are not near MRT will have a hard time to find tenants.
    Transport costs in SG can only keep going up.
    Even if one can afford a car, imagine what the car population be like in 5-10years time.
    Constantly stuck in jams everyday.
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    If the property is within walking distance to a good school or foreign school or employment cluster, will still have strong rental base. MRT is good for rental, but tends to be very densely built so there is a trade off in privacy if you ever consider to retire there.
    im looking for a property that has all the above attributes...lol
    The most successful investors are defined by their actions in a bear market, not a bull market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wannabe View Post
    im looking for a property that has all the above attributes...lol
    Good for you then. If all the above is present, then I expect that there will be a heavy premium charged. Maybe 20%. No?
    The three laws of Kelonguni:

    Where there is kelong, there is guni.
    No kelong no guni.
    More kelong = more guni.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelonguni View Post
    Good for you then. If all the above is present, then I expect that there will be a heavy premium charged. Maybe 20%. No?
    depends on where you looking...
    the best bargains now are in CCR.
    found one with a good facing, good school, 700m from MRT... but a little lack of amenities (walkable)
    The most successful investors are defined by their actions in a bear market, not a bull market.

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