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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    $650 psf?
    Really? So cheap?

    Near-10-year-old ECs have already hit $550-$650 psf.
    $650 psf for a new "normal" condo is a steal!
    I think we can now safely say $650 psf is just a joke.

    Even 5-year-old EC is sold at $637 psf. How can a new "normal" condo be sold at $650 psf?


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    Prices of Nuovo EC cross $600psf on 'Centro-effect'
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    There’s been a spurt in sales at Nuovo in Ang Mo Kio recently, after the executive condominium (EC) crossed the five-year minimum-occupation period. Seven units changed hands from Sept 4 to 11, according to caveats lodged with URA Realis. In 2006 and 2008, there was only one transaction each, and two deals in 2007. Owners who sold recently are taking advantage of the “Centro-effect”, caused by the launch of giant property developer Far East Organization’s 329-unit Centro Residences in Ang Mo Kio Avenue 8. Units there have been sold at an average of $1,179 psf from its launch in August to Sept 11, according to figures from URA Realis. Between Sept 4 and 11, an 893 sq ft unit sold for $1.07 million, or $1,199 psf.

    Given that it’s a private condominium, Centro Residences doesn’t have the same restrictions that Nuovo, an EC, has. Under HDB rules, owners of ECs are only allowed to sell their units to Singapore citizens or permanent residents five years after the project receives Temporary Occupation Permit (TOP), which, for the 297-unit Nuovo, was in 2004. It’s only 10 years after TOP that units in ECs can be traded like any other private condominium in the resale market, with sales to foreigners allowed as well.

    However, the owners of Nuovo should be delighted at transaction prices in the range of $477 to $637 psf, as they are the highest achieved since the property was launched at end-2001. Prices at that time were hovering at $400 psf.

    For instance, a 1,119 sq ft unit on the ninth floor went for $710,000, or $634 psf. This is a gain of 52% for the original owner, who had purchased it from developer City Developments Ltd (CDL) for $467,276 in 2002. A larger unit on the 17th floor went for $1.2 million, or $477 psf. The 2,594 sq ft condominium was purchased for $812,746 in 2001.

    Other condominiums along Ang Mo Kio Avenue 9 have also benefited from the Centro effect, with a unit at Far Horizon Gardens, a condominium completed in the 1980s, changing hands in the resale market at $508 psf last month, the highest price psf achieved in the project this year.

    Sellers are also benefiting from the recovery in the residential sector, which saw a marked 15.9% jump in the 3Q residential price index — the largest q-o-q increase seen in the index since 1981, according to URA’s 3Q flash estimate last week. As a result of this big increase, the 3Q price index is now 5.1% below that in 4Q2008 even though it registered a total decline of 18.1% in the first two quarters of 2009. The residential price index is more or less at the levels seen in 2Q2007.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    I think we can now safely say $650 psf is just a joke.

    Even 5-year-old EC is sold at $637 psf. How can a new "normal" condo be sold at $650 psf?
    Wow, thanks for the assuring words. You are really our sunshine!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ksh
    No offence but i think yr unit's fair value is about 650K if
    based on 1000 sqft size @ 650 psf...
    Frankly, i think $650 psf is quite low. Overall, Singapore's property prices have risen generally. However i also think Centro at $1,200 psf is crazy. Too crazy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jazzer
    Frankly, i think $650 psf is quite low. Overall, Singapore's property prices have risen generally. However i also think Centro at $1,200 psf is crazy. Too crazy.
    Only new launches are high crazy priced. $650 psf or less is easily available in resale market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xebay11
    Only new launches are high crazy priced. $650 psf or less is easily available in resale market.
    5-year-old Nuovo EC is a resale at $637 psf - not a new sale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reporter
    5-year-old Nuovo EC is a resale at $637 psf - not a new sale.
    Isn't that what I am saying?

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    Dear All,
    This is the first time I am contributing to this forum. This is also the first time I am buying a private property having own a HDB flat for more than 5 years. As this will be the biggest investment of the lifetime, I have been looking at closely monitoring & analysing the Singapore Property Market/Outlook for more than 2 years. I have visited more than 60 condo showflats. I have talked to more than 100 agents in Singapore. I am glad that I have finally confirm a unit at LIVIA.

    To start off, I am not an agent. I am not working for CDL or any developer. All I want here is to share with everyone the reason why I commit to buy a property now while some experts were warning the public the possibility of a property bubble forming. But more importantly, I would like to share with everyone WHY I chose LIVIA as compared with other condos in Singapore.

    Location
    LIVIA is located along Pasir Ris Drive 1 which is a rather quiet location.

    MRT
    I have tried walking from LIVIA to Pasir Ris MRT. It took me approx 8 mins. Condos which are within walking distance from MRT usually command higher price & rental. Look at The Quart, it is now selling at 750 pfs upon TOP. Look at Casa Merah, it has crossed the $800 psf mark.

    Shopping Malls & Public Amenities
    White Sand Shopping Mall is also within 8 mins walking distance from LIVIA. For those who have kids, there is also a NLB at White Sand Shopping Mall. You also have Elias Mall, West Plaza, Downtown East, Giant, Court, Ikea, Pasir Ris Park all within 5 mins driving distance.

    Major Expressway
    Depending on where you are heading, you will be able to hit TPE / KPE / ECP / PIE to your respective destinations within mins. It only take you 16 mins to reach Parkway ECP Exit. It will only take you 20 mins to reach Rocher ECP Exit. It will only take you 16 mins to reach Toa Payoh PIE exit. For food lovers, it will only take you less than 15 mins to reach Sims Ave KPE Exit to Geylang. It takes you less than 10 mins to Changi Airport.

    Changi Business Park / 4th University / United World College / Racing track at Changi

    These will be a key advantage for investors who are interested to rent their unit at LIVIA. However, do bear in mind that projects like Double Bay / Casa Merah / Optima will be a more attractive choice for those students/expats as compared to LIVIA. I would say LIVIA will probably be their 2nd choice to rent ahead of Ferraria Park & The Gale.

    Developer
    CDL are well known for delivering high quality finishes. If you have been to both LIVIA & Oasis @ Elias showflat, you will notice the huge difference in their finishes. In fact personally, the finishes are better than Double Bay & Waterfront Waves. The only 2 condos which I think has a better finishes than LIVIA are probably The Gale & Waterfront Key. My personal opinion of course.

    Future Condos & Future Condo Effect on Pricing
    CDL bought this piece of land more than 10 years ago. There will be a total of 4 or 5 condos to be built in this huge piece of land. In term of location, LIVIA is sitting on the 2nd BEST part of the land. The best part of the land should be at the current LIVIA showflat as it is even closer to MRT (probably 5 mins walking distance). The launch price of the next condo will definitely be much higher than LIVIA as I think CDL will only launch this when LIVIA is more or less SOLD OUT & when the economy has improved. Remember the "Centro Effect" or the "Optima Effect" which has caused Grandeur 8 & Casa Merah to appreciate in value? The next condo near LIVIA will be priced higher thus the same "EFFECT" we saw at Centro & Optima will also happened to LIVIA.

    LIVIA's land size & facilities
    The land size of LIVIA is 450,000 ft2 with 724 units. Not many condo today has such huge land area. Just for comparing purposes, the land size at Capsian is around 250,000 ft2 (if I remembered correctly) with more than 700 units. LIVIA will be extremely spacious. Comparing LIVIA's facilities with other condo, the only one that come close is Double Bay. Each condo MUST have it's distinct advantage. E.g. Compass Height has integrated MRT/Shopping Mall, The Gale is Freehold, Silversea has great seaview, etc. LIVIA's facilities will be an key advantage & selling points when you decide to sell your condo eventually.

    Layout
    The layout is very well designed. The house will be very bright as it has lots of bay windows & full height balcony/planter. This is an extremely important criteria to me from a "fengshui" point of view.

    Price
    At an average price of $630 pfs, this should be one of the lowest in the East. Optima is priced at $850 psf, The Gale $700 psf, Casa Merah $750 psf, Double Bay $680 psf. The only one that come close to LIVIA pricing is Oasis @ Elais. Beside the differences in finishes as compared to Oasis @ Elias, LIVIA definitely has better location, facilities, layout, etc.

    Psychological Pricing Barriers
    I remembered those days (actually not too long ago) in 2005/2006, when The Seaview, One Amber, The Esta were launched. The launch price were between $650 & $750 psf. We heard property experts commenting that these prices were not sustainable as those older condos in East were only selling at $500 psf, so why pay 30% more? If you are tracking the property prices in East Coast, you should be aware that these 3 condos mentioned have hit more than $1,000 psf. New launches like Silversea are selling at more than $1500 psf. The starting price point in East Coast is now minimum $900 & above. The point I am trying to make here is that, property pricing in Pasir Ris & other areas will eventually appreciate further. Who knows in 2 - 3 years time, the starting price point for condos in Pasir Ris will be $850 psf & above. Think about the capital appreciation when you are only paying $630 psf. This is of course my opinion.

    Limited Land Supply
    As you read from papers, property developers are running low in terms of their landbank. They have to produce good results & make profit for their company shareholders & the only way is to sell more condos. With their kind of bidding prices which are a few times more than the minimum bid, these condos will eventually have to be selling more than $1000 psf. Bear in mind that some of these lands may not as good as the piece of land at LIVIA in terms of location & accessibility. Buyers today are smart. They will always compare & compare.

    HDB Pricing in Pasir Ris
    LIVIA will attract those HDB flat owners in Pasir Ris. The selling price for those EA flats in Pasir Ris (opposite LIVIA) are between $500,000 & $600,000. A 3 br unit at LIVIA costs approx $800,000. Compare the difference & you will see that it will not be out of reach for those HDB upgraders to buy your unit at LIVIA eventually.

    Nearby Primary & Secondary Schools
    Not much comment here.

    Double Dip Recession?
    Will this happened? No one knows. The worst is probably in Q1 2009 & during this period, the selling price of LIVIA is around $600 psf as opposed to the current $630 psf. Even if there is a double dip recession & prices went down to Q1 2009 low, there is only a 5% paper loss. So I felt the down side is low as compared to the up side.

    Inflation
    With inflation, your money will become smaller & smaller. Property is one of the ways to hedge against inflation.

    I hope the above are informative. Any comments or additional points are welcome. Cheers.


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    You have indeed come out with good study of Livia, most likely with your extensive time spent around the island.

    You have certainly echoed most of my thought process (I am owner too!).
    Naturally, I agree with most of your thought process (owner too)...except the below:

    Layout - The layout for Livia is ok. I have seen better at other developments. The plus side is that the balcony/planter area is not too big.
    It does not have eye-catching features for the layout portion. E.g. Hoi Hup's pillarless corner at Versailies on Haig or all N-S apartments at Bloosoms@Woodleigh.

    Double Dip Recession - If a double dip recession occurs, it will be hard to call out the bottom. Hence, I would not put the cap at 5%

    I have another additional point:

    When developments are priced cheap (relative to the rest of the market), there is always the thought that it is not good. The unique situation here is that the piece of land that Livia is sitting on was bought dirt cheap. Based on news articles in 08, its launch price was considered spoiling the market at that time. Even with the "low" launch price, the profits are still very good. This means that the developer has the flexibility to price themselves in times of crisis or property bubbles. Basically, it is "Bee Tang" for them. Hopefully, the finish will be good with the profits received. As always, the finish of a CityDev project seldom disappoint.

    BTW, when did you buy Livia?


    Quote Originally Posted by KG Tan
    Dear All,
    This is the first time I am contributing to this forum. This is also the first time I am buying a private property having own a HDB flat for more than 5 years. As this will be the biggest investment of the lifetime, I have been looking at closely monitoring & analysing the Singapore Property Market/Outlook for more than 2 years. I have visited more than 60 condo showflats. I have talked to more than 100 agents in Singapore. I am glad that I have finally confirm a unit at LIVIA.

    To start off, I am not an agent. I am not working for CDL or any developer. All I want here is to share with everyone the reason why I commit to buy a property now while some experts were warning the public the possibility of a property bubble forming. But more importantly, I would like to share with everyone WHY I chose LIVIA as compared with other condos in Singapore.

    Location
    LIVIA is located along Pasir Ris Drive 1 which is a rather quiet location.

    MRT
    I have tried walking from LIVIA to Pasir Ris MRT. It took me approx 8 mins. Condos which are within walking distance from MRT usually command higher price & rental. Look at The Quart, it is now selling at 750 pfs upon TOP. Look at Casa Merah, it has crossed the $800 psf mark.

    Shopping Malls & Public Amenities
    White Sand Shopping Mall is also within 8 mins walking distance from LIVIA. For those who have kids, there is also a NLB at White Sand Shopping Mall. You also have Elias Mall, West Plaza, Downtown East, Giant, Court, Ikea, Pasir Ris Park all within 5 mins driving distance.

    Major Expressway
    Depending on where you are heading, you will be able to hit TPE / KPE / ECP / PIE to your respective destinations within mins. It only take you 16 mins to reach Parkway ECP Exit. It will only take you 20 mins to reach Rocher ECP Exit. It will only take you 16 mins to reach Toa Payoh PIE exit. For food lovers, it will only take you less than 15 mins to reach Sims Ave KPE Exit to Geylang. It takes you less than 10 mins to Changi Airport.

    Changi Business Park / 4th University / United World College / Racing track at Changi

    These will be a key advantage for investors who are interested to rent their unit at LIVIA. However, do bear in mind that projects like Double Bay / Casa Merah / Optima will be a more attractive choice for those students/expats as compared to LIVIA. I would say LIVIA will probably be their 2nd choice to rent ahead of Ferraria Park & The Gale.

    Developer
    CDL are well known for delivering high quality finishes. If you have been to both LIVIA & Oasis @ Elias showflat, you will notice the huge difference in their finishes. In fact personally, the finishes are better than Double Bay & Waterfront Waves. The only 2 condos which I think has a better finishes than LIVIA are probably The Gale & Waterfront Key. My personal opinion of course.

    Future Condos & Future Condo Effect on Pricing
    CDL bought this piece of land more than 10 years ago. There will be a total of 4 or 5 condos to be built in this huge piece of land. In term of location, LIVIA is sitting on the 2nd BEST part of the land. The best part of the land should be at the current LIVIA showflat as it is even closer to MRT (probably 5 mins walking distance). The launch price of the next condo will definitely be much higher than LIVIA as I think CDL will only launch this when LIVIA is more or less SOLD OUT & when the economy has improved. Remember the "Centro Effect" or the "Optima Effect" which has caused Grandeur 8 & Casa Merah to appreciate in value? The next condo near LIVIA will be priced higher thus the same "EFFECT" we saw at Centro & Optima will also happened to LIVIA.

    LIVIA's land size & facilities
    The land size of LIVIA is 450,000 ft2 with 724 units. Not many condo today has such huge land area. Just for comparing purposes, the land size at Capsian is around 250,000 ft2 (if I remembered correctly) with more than 700 units. LIVIA will be extremely spacious. Comparing LIVIA's facilities with other condo, the only one that come close is Double Bay. Each condo MUST have it's distinct advantage. E.g. Compass Height has integrated MRT/Shopping Mall, The Gale is Freehold, Silversea has great seaview, etc. LIVIA's facilities will be an key advantage & selling points when you decide to sell your condo eventually.

    Layout
    The layout is very well designed. The house will be very bright as it has lots of bay windows & full height balcony/planter. This is an extremely important criteria to me from a "fengshui" point of view.

    Price
    At an average price of $630 pfs, this should be one of the lowest in the East. Optima is priced at $850 psf, The Gale $700 psf, Casa Merah $750 psf, Double Bay $680 psf. The only one that come close to LIVIA pricing is Oasis @ Elais. Beside the differences in finishes as compared to Oasis @ Elias, LIVIA definitely has better location, facilities, layout, etc.

    Psychological Pricing Barriers
    I remembered those days (actually not too long ago) in 2005/2006, when The Seaview, One Amber, The Esta were launched. The launch price were between $650 & $750 psf. We heard property experts commenting that these prices were not sustainable as those older condos in East were only selling at $500 psf, so why pay 30% more? If you are tracking the property prices in East Coast, you should be aware that these 3 condos mentioned have hit more than $1,000 psf. New launches like Silversea are selling at more than $1500 psf. The starting price point in East Coast is now minimum $900 & above. The point I am trying to make here is that, property pricing in Pasir Ris & other areas will eventually appreciate further. Who knows in 2 - 3 years time, the starting price point for condos in Pasir Ris will be $850 psf & above. Think about the capital appreciation when you are only paying $630 psf. This is of course my opinion.

    Limited Land Supply
    As you read from papers, property developers are running low in terms of their landbank. They have to produce good results & make profit for their company shareholders & the only way is to sell more condos. With their kind of bidding prices which are a few times more than the minimum bid, these condos will eventually have to be selling more than $1000 psf. Bear in mind that some of these lands may not as good as the piece of land at LIVIA in terms of location & accessibility. Buyers today are smart. They will always compare & compare.

    HDB Pricing in Pasir Ris
    LIVIA will attract those HDB flat owners in Pasir Ris. The selling price for those EA flats in Pasir Ris (opposite LIVIA) are between $500,000 & $600,000. A 3 br unit at LIVIA costs approx $800,000. Compare the difference & you will see that it will not be out of reach for those HDB upgraders to buy your unit at LIVIA eventually.

    Nearby Primary & Secondary Schools
    Not much comment here.

    Double Dip Recession?
    Will this happened? No one knows. The worst is probably in Q1 2009 & during this period, the selling price of LIVIA is around $600 psf as opposed to the current $630 psf. Even if there is a double dip recession & prices went down to Q1 2009 low, there is only a 5% paper loss. So I felt the down side is low as compared to the up side.

    Inflation
    With inflation, your money will become smaller & smaller. Property is one of the ways to hedge against inflation.

    I hope the above are informative. Any comments or additional points are welcome. Cheers.


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    2 months ago. Cheer.

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    Always good to be positive.


    Quote Originally Posted by KG Tan
    Dear All,
    This is the first time I am contributing to this forum. This is also the first time I am buying a private property having own a HDB flat for more than 5 years. As this will be the biggest investment of the lifetime, I have been looking at closely monitoring & analysing the Singapore Property Market/Outlook for more than 2 years. I have visited more than 60 condo showflats. I have talked to more than 100 agents in Singapore. I am glad that I have finally confirm a unit at LIVIA.

    To start off, I am not an agent. I am not working for CDL or any developer. All I want here is to share with everyone the reason why I commit to buy a property now while some experts were warning the public the possibility of a property bubble forming. But more importantly, I would like to share with everyone WHY I chose LIVIA as compared with other condos in Singapore.

    Location
    LIVIA is located along Pasir Ris Drive 1 which is a rather quiet location.

    MRT
    I have tried walking from LIVIA to Pasir Ris MRT. It took me approx 8 mins. Condos which are within walking distance from MRT usually command higher price & rental. Look at The Quart, it is now selling at 750 pfs upon TOP. Look at Casa Merah, it has crossed the $800 psf mark.

    Shopping Malls & Public Amenities
    White Sand Shopping Mall is also within 8 mins walking distance from LIVIA. For those who have kids, there is also a NLB at White Sand Shopping Mall. You also have Elias Mall, West Plaza, Downtown East, Giant, Court, Ikea, Pasir Ris Park all within 5 mins driving distance.

    Major Expressway
    Depending on where you are heading, you will be able to hit TPE / KPE / ECP / PIE to your respective destinations within mins. It only take you 16 mins to reach Parkway ECP Exit. It will only take you 20 mins to reach Rocher ECP Exit. It will only take you 16 mins to reach Toa Payoh PIE exit. For food lovers, it will only take you less than 15 mins to reach Sims Ave KPE Exit to Geylang. It takes you less than 10 mins to Changi Airport.

    Changi Business Park / 4th University / United World College / Racing track at Changi

    These will be a key advantage for investors who are interested to rent their unit at LIVIA. However, do bear in mind that projects like Double Bay / Casa Merah / Optima will be a more attractive choice for those students/expats as compared to LIVIA. I would say LIVIA will probably be their 2nd choice to rent ahead of Ferraria Park & The Gale.

    Developer
    CDL are well known for delivering high quality finishes. If you have been to both LIVIA & Oasis @ Elias showflat, you will notice the huge difference in their finishes. In fact personally, the finishes are better than Double Bay & Waterfront Waves. The only 2 condos which I think has a better finishes than LIVIA are probably The Gale & Waterfront Key. My personal opinion of course.

    Future Condos & Future Condo Effect on Pricing
    CDL bought this piece of land more than 10 years ago. There will be a total of 4 or 5 condos to be built in this huge piece of land. In term of location, LIVIA is sitting on the 2nd BEST part of the land. The best part of the land should be at the current LIVIA showflat as it is even closer to MRT (probably 5 mins walking distance). The launch price of the next condo will definitely be much higher than LIVIA as I think CDL will only launch this when LIVIA is more or less SOLD OUT & when the economy has improved. Remember the "Centro Effect" or the "Optima Effect" which has caused Grandeur 8 & Casa Merah to appreciate in value? The next condo near LIVIA will be priced higher thus the same "EFFECT" we saw at Centro & Optima will also happened to LIVIA.

    LIVIA's land size & facilities
    The land size of LIVIA is 450,000 ft2 with 724 units. Not many condo today has such huge land area. Just for comparing purposes, the land size at Capsian is around 250,000 ft2 (if I remembered correctly) with more than 700 units. LIVIA will be extremely spacious. Comparing LIVIA's facilities with other condo, the only one that come close is Double Bay. Each condo MUST have it's distinct advantage. E.g. Compass Height has integrated MRT/Shopping Mall, The Gale is Freehold, Silversea has great seaview, etc. LIVIA's facilities will be an key advantage & selling points when you decide to sell your condo eventually.

    Layout
    The layout is very well designed. The house will be very bright as it has lots of bay windows & full height balcony/planter. This is an extremely important criteria to me from a "fengshui" point of view.

    Price
    At an average price of $630 pfs, this should be one of the lowest in the East. Optima is priced at $850 psf, The Gale $700 psf, Casa Merah $750 psf, Double Bay $680 psf. The only one that come close to LIVIA pricing is Oasis @ Elais. Beside the differences in finishes as compared to Oasis @ Elias, LIVIA definitely has better location, facilities, layout, etc.

    Psychological Pricing Barriers
    I remembered those days (actually not too long ago) in 2005/2006, when The Seaview, One Amber, The Esta were launched. The launch price were between $650 & $750 psf. We heard property experts commenting that these prices were not sustainable as those older condos in East were only selling at $500 psf, so why pay 30% more? If you are tracking the property prices in East Coast, you should be aware that these 3 condos mentioned have hit more than $1,000 psf. New launches like Silversea are selling at more than $1500 psf. The starting price point in East Coast is now minimum $900 & above. The point I am trying to make here is that, property pricing in Pasir Ris & other areas will eventually appreciate further. Who knows in 2 - 3 years time, the starting price point for condos in Pasir Ris will be $850 psf & above. Think about the capital appreciation when you are only paying $630 psf. This is of course my opinion.

    Limited Land Supply
    As you read from papers, property developers are running low in terms of their landbank. They have to produce good results & make profit for their company shareholders & the only way is to sell more condos. With their kind of bidding prices which are a few times more than the minimum bid, these condos will eventually have to be selling more than $1000 psf. Bear in mind that some of these lands may not as good as the piece of land at LIVIA in terms of location & accessibility. Buyers today are smart. They will always compare & compare.

    HDB Pricing in Pasir Ris
    LIVIA will attract those HDB flat owners in Pasir Ris. The selling price for those EA flats in Pasir Ris (opposite LIVIA) are between $500,000 & $600,000. A 3 br unit at LIVIA costs approx $800,000. Compare the difference & you will see that it will not be out of reach for those HDB upgraders to buy your unit at LIVIA eventually.

    Nearby Primary & Secondary Schools
    Not much comment here.

    Double Dip Recession?
    Will this happened? No one knows. The worst is probably in Q1 2009 & during this period, the selling price of LIVIA is around $600 psf as opposed to the current $630 psf. Even if there is a double dip recession & prices went down to Q1 2009 low, there is only a 5% paper loss. So I felt the down side is low as compared to the up side.

    Inflation
    With inflation, your money will become smaller & smaller. Property is one of the ways to hedge against inflation.

    I hope the above are informative. Any comments or additional points are welcome. Cheers.


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    Hi all livia owner, we have a yahoo group with close to 40 owners. Pls email to [email protected] to join

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    Quote Originally Posted by URA
    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of November 2009

    Project Name ..... Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    Livia ..................... OCR ......... 645 ......................... 23 .............................. 676 ............... 636 ............... 578
    Slightly more than 89% sold only.

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    Close to 92% SOLD. Left only 59 units as of 6th Jan 2010.

    3+1 BR (1410 ft2) - 7 units
    4 BR (1539 ft2) - 50 units
    4+1 Penthouse (2422 ft2) - 2 units

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    Quote Originally Posted by URA
    Private Residential Units Sold in the Month of December 2009

    Project Name . Locality . Units Sold To Date . Units Sold In Month . Highest $psf . Median $psf . Lowest $psf
    Livia ............... OCR ....... 658 ...................... 13 .......................... 661 .............. 648 ............. 628
    13 bought in December 2009?

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    13 bought in December 2009?
    LiviaPasir Ris GroveHong Realty Pte LtdNon-LandedOCR72470065842013648 628 661
    LiviaPasir Ris GroveHong Realty Pte LtdNon-LandedOCR72470065842013648 628 661
    LiviaPasir Ris GroveHong Realty Pte LtdNon-LandedOCR72470065842013648 628 661
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    Developers brimming with new launches
    Far East said to be top seller in January; Lippo and MCL may release some units
    Kalpana Rashiwala
    The Business Times
    Tuesday, 2 February 2010


    On the rise: The average price for Centennia Suites is being touted at $2,000 psf or even higher, beating prices in secondary market for nearby projects.

    Even as developers have gotten off to a good start this year, selling well over 1,000 private homes in January, their launch machinery remains well oiled for more roll-outs in the near future.

    Lippo Group is expected to preview Centennia Suites on the former Kim Seng Plaza site, diagonally opposite Great World City, later this week. The average price for the District 9 freehold project is being touted at $2,000 psf or even higher.

    This is higher than recently achieved prices in the secondary market for nearby projects such as The Trillium and The Cosmopolitan but Lippo is probably banking on the exclusivity factor to market its latest offering. The 36-storey freehold Centennia Tower comprises a single tower with just 97 units, comprising 2-, 3- and 4-bedroom apartments and 2 penthouses.

    The 2-bedders are relatively large at slightly over 1,200 sqft. 3-bedders come in 5 variations but all around 1,800 sqft; 4-bedroom apartments also have 5 variations of roughly 2,250 sqft. Centennia’s 2 penthouses are around 3,300 sqft and 4,400 sqft. BT understands that the project is being marketed by CB Richard Ellis and Jones Lang LaSalle.

    Agents are also busy gathering interest for MCL Land’s The Estuary, a 608-unit condo at Yishun Ave 1/2. Some market watchers say that they would not be surprised if MCL releases some units before the Chinese New Year break.

    For the month of January, Far East Organization (FEO) is believed to have been the top seller, with sales of close to 300 units. Its bestseller was The Shore Residences, a 103-year-old condominium project on the former Rose Garden site in Katong. Far East is understood to have sold over 140 units in the project last month.

    City Developments (CDL) sold 243 units in January, the bulk of which were in Cube 8 at Thomson Road (167 units) and Livia in Pasir Ris (59 units), a CDL spokeswoman said.

    Fellow property giant CapitaLand also did brisk sales. Its 165-unit Urban Suites condo in the Cairnhill area is said to be left with fewer than 30 units.

    Frasers Centrepoint sold a total 102 units last month, including 43 units at its Residences Botanique in the Yio Chu Kang/Sirat roads area.

    Frasers Centrepoint’s and Far East’s sales numbers are inclusive of about 35 units sold at their 2 joint-venture condominium projects along Bedok Reservoir, Waterfront Waves and Waterfront Keys.

    Allgreen Properties is also believed to have sold a total 62 units from its preview of Holland Residences last week. The average price is $1,625 psf.

    CB Richard Ellis executive director (residential) Joseph Tan says: ‘Generally, buyers are showing more interest and there’s acceptance that prices have bottomed out with a strong likelihood of growth. Developers in their pricing policy should also leave room for capital appreciation for investors.’

    A Morgan Stanley report dated Jan 27, on a survey of the Singapore private residential sector involving Singapore-based respondents, concluded that, generally, respondents are expecting prices to trend upwards gradually in the medium term rather than spiking in the next 12 months.

    As for developers, DTZ executive director Ong Choon Fah says: ‘When there’s a window of opportunity like what we’re seeing now, developers want to capitalise on it and try to push out projects as soon as possible; they can always restock land at government tenders.

    ‘After all, most economists are still calling for a note of caution on the sustainability of the global economic economy – for instance, if interest rates rise and as governments withdraw their stimulus measures.’

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    Livia 100 % sold !!!!

    Cool men

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    Quote Originally Posted by lele
    Livia 100 % sold !!!!

    Cool men
    Yes. Fully sold and without discount in price. Cool!

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    Kwek Leng Beng: Quick on the draw

    Posted by Singapore Property Match on February 20, 2010
    PROPERTY booms, crashes, fads… you name it, real estate tycoon Kwek Leng Beng has seen them all in his 68 years.
    Yet even one as experienced and savvy as he could not have predicted the way the market has roared back to life after being knocked flat on its back by the financial crisis.
    ‘The recovery was expected but not its intensity and swiftness. I was quite surprised at how strong it was,’ said the executive chairman of Hong Leong Group Singapore.
    ‘The world took swift action and came up with stimulus packages which we have never heard of in our lifetime.’
    Yet, ‘no one can time to sell at the highest price, so like many developers, Hong Leong Group decided to sell on the way up’, he said.
    That was how Hong Leong ignited the property market in late 2004: Its launch of the huge The Sail @ Marina Bay galvanised buyers and developers across the island.
    ‘We knew the market would turn around soon but we didn’t know when… So we knew we would have a hard task selling 1,111 units but we bought the land cheap. So we priced to sell,’ Mr Kwek told The Straits Times.
    ‘We could try to hold on until we thought the price and time was right, but we didn’t because there was no way to get the exact time.’
    Its motivation was to lock in profits for its listed development arm City Developments (CDL) as soon as possible but the firm also wanted its buyers to make some money, said Mr Kwek. At The Sail @ Marina Bay, the initial launch price of $900 per sq ft on average rose to about $950 psf on strong demand back in late 2004.
    The second tower was launched a year later in a slightly improved market at an average of $1,080 psf.
    The Sail strategy hints at the firm’s overarching gameplan – remain flexible in all things.
    ‘When the market is really bad, you have to accept it. You sort of improve, think of new designs, think of what you can do, further revise your old plans so that when the market turns, you are most up to date,’ said Mr Kwek.
    Last year, the Hong Leong Group showed its flexibility by cutting prices, albeit slightly, as the downturn rolled in.
    The market had tanked by the time it launched the later phases of the 724-unit Livia in Pasir Ris. Earlier units went for $650 psf, later for $620 psf.
    But while some developers took deep cuts, it reduced prices by only 5 per cent. ‘We do not undercut or slash our prices to the bone,’ said Mr Kwek.
    ‘If you cut as much as other developers do, they will cut again, and you cut again. To some extent, we are financially strong so we can hold.
    ‘The other reason is if this project is 50 per cent sold, so what? I still have 50 per cent. I can take another piece out of my land bank that is cheap and launch it.
    ‘But people without a land bank do not have such flexibility.’
    Hong Leong’s substantial land bank has given it a lot more flexibility – that word again – in timing its launches and when it comes to replenishing its stock of sites. ‘Otherwise, you have got nothing to do, all your people sit down, fold their arms and wait for the market to go up,’ said Mr Kwek.
    But those developers with little or no land left will have to replenish their land banks urgently but the equation has became harder.
    Mr Kwek pointed out that in bad times, land prices do not fall as much as condo prices.
    In late 2008, he shelved the $2.5 billion high-profile South Beach project in Beach Road until building costs fall to ‘reasonable levels’.
    Last year, when construction prices were slipping, it re-negotiated contracts with its contractors. It also went ahead to build developments like The Arte in Jalan Datoh before the launch as it could.
    The Arte was then released in April. More projects followed. Optima@Tanah Merah hit the market in July and sold out within three days at $810 psf. Hundred Trees in West Coast Drive also sold well, achieving $910 psf on average last September. Hong Leong said it was the top seller last year with more than 2,100 units shifted.
    But like other developers, the Hong Leong Group had to face a potentially big problem last year – defaults arising from property bought on the deferred payment scheme (DPS).
    But that turned out to be a ‘non-event’, said Mr Kwek.
    ‘That was a genuine concern… But you cannot assume that everybody who buys on DPS is going to default,’ he said. ‘In practice, you can sue them.
    ‘Developers also understand hard times. So why do you go after them? Let them slowly pay. As long as they can pay, allow them the chance.’
    The Hong Leong group had ‘a few cases’ where the buyers could not pay but there were only two defaults last year. They took back the units.
    ‘Theoretically, there should be more, but there weren’t as we were sympathetic,’ Mr Kwek said.
    Apart from being flexible on the payment deadline, what they did was to alert the buyers on getting a loan early.
    Early last year, consumers found it tough to get sufficient loans as the banks turned very cautious and valuations fell.
    Said CDL group general manager Chia Ngiang Hong: ‘Two months before our projects obtained TOP (temporary occupation permit), we wrote to the buyers to say: ‘Hey, your payment is coming up soon’, and we told them we have spoken to some banks willing to arrange their applications, and they dealt with the banks themselves.’
    ‘Bankers are bankers. They have to be cautious,’ said Mr Kwek.
    Still, Mr Kwek added: ‘The banks shouldn’t be looking at the loan quantum alone. They should look at how many years you have been working, etc, and then restructure the loan.’
    ‘Property moves in cycles… The majority do not understand what investing in property is about. They buy property one day and hope to sell it the next so as to make a quick and big profit,’ said Mr Kwek.
    ‘The key problem is that many of us lack confidence, we rush when prices are rising and then stay away frightened when prices are at rock bottom.’
    ON WHEN TO SELL
    ‘No one can time to sell at the highest price, so like many developers, Hong Leong Group decided to sell on the way up.’
    ON BEING ADAPTABLE
    ‘When the market is really bad, you have to accept it. You sort of improve, think of new designs, think of what you can do, further revise your old plans so that when the market turns, you are most up to date.’
    ON SLASHING PRICES
    ‘We do not undercut or slash our prices to the bone. If you cut as much as other developers do, they will cut again, and you cut again. To some extent, we are financially strong so we can hold.’
    Source : Straits Times – 20 Feb 2010

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    Quote Originally Posted by gohsoonk
    Yes. Fully sold and without discount in price. Cool!

    Serious? Must ask Kwek to buy me a drink tonight.

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    Whitewater, the 5-year-old EC in District 18 Pasir Ris has a nëw hïgh of $652 psf!


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    21 Pasir Ris Street 72 #08-03 .... $652 psf .... 958 sqft .... $625,000 .... 24 Mar 10

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    Whitewater, the 5-year-old EC in District 18 Pasir Ris has a nëw hïgh of $714 psf!


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    23 Pasir Ris Street 72 #11-08 .... $714 psf .... 1,141 sqft .... $815,000 .... 29 Mar 10

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    Omg....and to think that Whitewater 3 bedder high floor was launched for around 450k 5 years ago!

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    hi all,

    Anybody can share the information for the upcoming condo next to livia ? Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    Omg....and to think that Whitewater 3 bedder high floor was launched for around 450k 5 years ago!
    that EC's in a horrible location. just beside the tibetan temple with all the crowd and gong sounding during festivities

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    Quote Originally Posted by eng81157
    that EC's in a horrible location. just beside the tibetan temple with all the crowd and gong sounding during festivities
    There's a tibetan temple? Are you referring to Esparis instead?

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    Quote Originally Posted by flower
    hi all,

    Anybody can share the information for the upcoming condo next to livia ? Thanks
    Hi all,

    agents called it "Livia 2" as they had no name for it yet and should be in june 2010 else it had to be after 7th month chinese, i guess, not much people official lauch before 7th month, unless they foresee it sell off within 24 hrs like tanah merah.

    You can keep a lookout at the ex livia showroom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heutistmeintag
    There's a tibetan temple? Are you referring to Esparis instead?
    yup, esparis...... i remembered i went to the showroom when it was first launched. the thought of having to bear with gongs, noise and crowds virtually every weekend just froze me

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    Lastest transaction
    71 Pasir Ris Grove
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    $820psf
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    $750k

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    frankly, do u find the units very close to each other....?
    it be very warm for those units in the center...

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