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    Is the developer listed co? Im shocked at the quality...

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    Freefly .. congrats on your new house! Yeah quality is disappointing .. but once rectified, do some furnishings, your unit should look great! My new unit took the developer 2 weeks plus to rectify upon TOP and notification. During the 1yr tenancy, there were further rectifications done after tenants experienced more faults.

    Wow thanks to Laguna for the good advice on the joint inspection of common facilities. Laguna is back for serious business.. Buttercarp where are u? MIA for too long already la..

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    the pics are pretty shocking.
    definitely not what i would expect from a condo that is supposedly good to deliver to buyers.
    is this typical of new units fresh from developers?


    Quote Originally Posted by freefly4587
    Got my key today, but really it is a lot of disappointment. The room is not painted right, and there are defects all over the place. Small ones but still mind buggling to see them and developer said to take another month to polish up.

    My question is, why the government authority gives developer the OPT approval knowing there are so many work not done properly?

    I am first time buying property directly from developer. As developer lawyer presented OPT approval and asked me to pay the rest 25%, I followed that letter, but very disappointed to see I can not really move in at all, as contractor needs another month to sort these defects out.

    Is this common practice for developers in Singapore to deliver such condo to purchaser and then address the known defects later?

    Can someone provide some legal opinions and can they really do this to me? or Should I refuse to take over the condo?

    Showing some defects pictures here. Horrible to me to have them there while developer pushed me to pay the balance payment and key delivery.

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    Has the launch price moved up significantly from 2 years ago? it definitely has gone up but i don't think it's a 100% increase (going by your statement of the earlier buyer buying at half your price)
    from what i observed i don't think so.
    In fact i thought the price was stagnant for quite a while.
    any forummers here can comment on this?

    Quote Originally Posted by freefly4587
    thanks what is a "FEO" project refers to?

    The launch psf price was not high in lieu of how much the price run up. I do note the buyer of the unit one floor above me bought it in two some years ago, and his price stood half of my price paid this year.

    I was informed a new contractor was hired for the "touching up" of defects.

    Do I have an option to reject the unit for taking over, and wait for one month before contractor fixed these conditions and we can really move in?

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    the defects are worse than what you normally get in HDB BTOs. hope it's just an anomaly

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    Default Defects at St. Patrick's Residences

    Dear Freefly,

    I share your pain with the defects and disappointment with the developer, TG. The defects in our unit are just as bad. Infact, after 7 weeks, they managed to complete half of what they promised and created new ones for us. Yes, they broke some of my tiles and scratched my flooring. Sad but true. I am not sure what's a better method to push them legally but until now, my defects are still left unresolved. Oh by the way, the gas does not work neither if you are planning on moving in.

    I realize the problem is within TG managing these defects. First, there's the sales force. They are just there to cushion the blow from the upset owners. Their job is mainly to give us lip service. Promising us it will be done within a month after they asked all owners to fill in the defects forms. Mind you, the contractors DO NOT refer to the list at all.

    This brings us to the 'defects' team of contractors on site. They consists of the main contractor, Andy who will tell you about his years of experience in the industry and to trust his men. Then he delegates his number 2 on site, Ah Chua to look into the matter.

    What happens next, Ah Chua will do a round of inspection and brief his project manager to look into the defects without referring to the defects forms. He then leaves them completely to do the works without any follow ups.

    This is where the problem lies. A group of workers will enter the unit and like headless chickens running around, will end up doing basic general cleaning and taking naps on your floors occasionally. After about a month, the sales team will plea to ask you for more time as they claim their contractors are stretched. By then, most owners will be pressured to accept the defects as they just wish to move in!

    In fact, these contractors and the sales team are not working coherently where they should be in any similar circumstances. The defects checklist should be inspected every week by sales team to monitor the progress. But sadly, the sales team has no authority over the contractors.

    I am not sure what's the most productive way to get them to finish the defects but I hope they will get it done before the whole team vacates the site by end of August.








    Quote Originally Posted by freefly4587
    Got my key today, but really it is a lot of disappointment. The room is not painted right, and there are defects all over the place. Small ones but still mind buggling to see them and developer said to take another month to polish up.

    My question is, why the government authority gives developer the OPT approval knowing there are so many work not done properly?

    I am first time buying property directly from developer. As developer lawyer presented OPT approval and asked me to pay the rest 25%, I followed that letter, but very disappointed to see I can not really move in at all, as contractor needs another month to sort these defects out.

    Is this common practice for developers in Singapore to deliver such condo to purchaser and then address the known defects later?

    Can someone provide some legal opinions and can they really do this to me? or Should I refuse to take over the condo?

    Showing some defects pictures here. Horrible to me to have them there while developer pushed me to pay the balance payment and key delivery.

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    I strongly suggest the SP form a team to take care Of the common properties which is always in no man land till the formation of MCST

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    Apparently some penthouse owners are suing the developer. Some are proceeding with their own defect works and billing the developer. Am curious what's most effective. Perhaps owners of St. Patrick's should get together and discuss how we can deal with proper compensation methods with the folks at Gilstead Rd.

    Need help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheOnlyGayInTheVillage
    Is the developer listed co? Im shocked at the quality...
    TG has other developments like the Peak @ Cairnhill, Skies Miltonia,
    Yee ha! Did I tickle your funny bone?


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    Hi, I'm your neighbour in Grand Duchess. Here are some of my views:

    It is good for the SPs to form a team to specifically look into the defects for common areas. However, it is still an informal team and lack legitimacy to press for critical issues.

    My condo TOP about 3 to 4 years ago. There were a number of common area defects as well. We did not want to rely on the managing agent to resolve the defect issues with the developer.

    A few of our SPs quickly "join forces" to form the Management Comm before the required legal dateline. After that the MC members, who were also the owners, systematically identifed the defects. The MC then formed a sub-comm to closely monitor and keep track of the defects list.

    However, for that to happen, you need to gather enough SPs to support the formation of MC. The SPs involved (who will eventually become MC members) must also contribute a lot of time, efforts and also frustration to spar with the developer and main con.

    Hope the above is workable for you.....Cheers!

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    Thanks for your suggestion, neighbour. As am green in this field, what's SP? Also, how do we form the team and steps towards that? Do we approach the condo manager that's currently sitting in our development? Or we simply round up the owners?

    Appreciate the guidance.




    Quote Originally Posted by kongming17
    Hi, I'm your neighbour in Grand Duchess. Here are some of my views:

    It is good for the SPs to form a team to specifically look into the defects for common areas. However, it is still an informal team and lack legitimacy to press for critical issues.

    My condo TOP about 3 to 4 years ago. There were a number of common area defects as well. We did not want to rely on the managing agent to resolve the defect issues with the developer.

    A few of our SPs quickly "join forces" to form the Management Comm before the required legal dateline. After that the MC members, who were also the owners, systematically identifed the defects. The MC then formed a sub-comm to closely monitor and keep track of the defects list.

    However, for that to happen, you need to gather enough SPs to support the formation of MC. The SPs involved (who will eventually become MC members) must also contribute a lot of time, efforts and also frustration to spar with the developer and main con.

    Hope the above is workable for you.....Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kongming17
    Hi, I'm your neighbour in Grand Duchess. Here are some of my views:

    It is good for the SPs to form a team to specifically look into the defects for common areas. However, it is still an informal team and lack legitimacy to press for critical issues.

    My condo TOP about 3 to 4 years ago. There were a number of common area defects as well. We did not want to rely on the managing agent to resolve the defect issues with the developer.

    A few of our SPs quickly "join forces" to form the Management Comm before the required legal dateline. After that the MC members, who were also the owners, systematically identifed the defects. The MC then formed a sub-comm to closely monitor and keep track of the defects list.

    However, for that to happen, you need to gather enough SPs to support the formation of MC. The SPs involved (who will eventually become MC members) must also contribute a lot of time, efforts and also frustration to spar with the developer and main con.

    Hope the above is workable for you.....Cheers!
    We have moved in to St Patrick's Residences and already noticed some obvious defects in the common area. For example, pipe leakage in the carpark, uneven flooring resulting in big puddle of water accumulated in various spot after rain, block number not prominently display, no bicycle parking bay etc

    I hope the developer will fix all these issues before they pack and go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stardust
    We have moved in to St Patrick's Residences and already noticed some obvious defects in the common area. For example, pipe leakage in the carpark, uneven flooring resulting in big puddle of water accumulated in various spot after rain, block number not prominently display, no bicycle parking bay etc

    I hope the developer will fix all these issues before they pack and go.

    Is the quality really that bad?
    Regardless you have to pursue legal rights to get everything done.

    Pack and go, definitely not that easy!
    The place appointed any management?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacelynchia
    Is the quality really that bad?
    Regardless you have to pursue legal rights to get everything done.

    Pack and go, definitely not that easy!
    The place appointed any management?
    Yes, there is already a management officer in place but seems like the overall command and control is still with the developer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by female attendant
    Thanks for your suggestion, neighbour. As am green in this field, what's SP? Also, how do we form the team and steps towards that? Do we approach the condo manager that's currently sitting in our development? Or we simply round up the owners?

    Appreciate the guidance.
    Hi Folks in St Pat Residences!

    Sorry I was away for the past 2 days as this is an extremely busy period for me.

    SP refers to the owners of the condo. Each SP is allocated a certain "share value", depending on the size of your unit. The bigger the size the more the share value.

    To form a management comm, you need to hold an EGM to seek approvals from all the owners. And to put up request for an EGM to be held, if I'm not wrong you need to have at least 10% of the total share value.

    Looking at what's happening now, with so many unhappy owners out there, you probably will not have any difficulties getting that 10%. The tough part is how to get a few committed individuals who are willing to put in time and efforts to take care of the condo. The works involved include numerous meetings, checking, tabulation, chasing for deadlines, argument, dealing with unhappy tenants etc., and without pay or benefits. The only reward the MC members can get is probably appreciation from all your fellow neighbours.

    Now there is a condo manager....but who does he report to? He reports to the agency, and the agency was appointed by the develoiper. So can you expect him to be tough? With the MC in place, the condo manger must report to the MC, meaning reporting to the owners and not the developer!

    I believe that the owners are the best people to safeguard the condo's interest. It is your own HOME! Whether it is a defect in your bathroom or whether there's a defect in common area water feature, the owners will take on the matter as if it's your own, right?

    Please PM to me if you need any advice in detail. I'm not any agent but just someone who had gone through this kind of process. Once the defects are cleared and with things properly put in place, you guys will enjoy the nice condo living...without frustration.

    Cheers and Best of Luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by stardust
    Yes, there is already a management officer in place but seems like the overall command and control is still with the developer.
    Was shocked to hear so many complains with this place, saw only the pictures, look quite high end.
    Must threaten to take legal actions or else developer will not do anything, the issues named are not acceptable.

    If I were a resident there, surely give the developer hell.

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    Is TG also the developer for Skies Miltonia? Rem the showflat looks quite good when I visited, surprised the end result for SP turning out so badly. Hope it gets rectify soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bakasa2002
    Is TG also the developer for Skies Miltonia? Rem the showflat looks quite good when I visited, surprised the end result for SP turning out so badly. Hope it gets rectify soon.
    Yes, Same developer.
    http://www.singaporepropertylisting....NIA/index.aspx

    Actual quality may defer.

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    Hi!,

    I am planning to move in ard year end... got it from a current owner. Any advice? seems like there some complains...

    Regards,

    Gohhappy

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