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    Default There's no Propertism for Tessarina - Flood Part III

    Pity those residents of Tessarina...second or third flood in a year. See Straits Times link for pics

    http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking...ry_554647.html

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    Actually this condo is more D21 than D10. Anyway, I suspect there is some construction or fatal carpark design problem in this condo. The other condo carparks nearby, e.g. Nexus, Maplewood, King Albert Park don't seem to flood. Avoid this condo at all costs - you don't want to worry about whether your car will be damaged every time it rains. Imagine you're on vacation overseas, you will be constantly worried about your car.

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    http://sg.yfittopostblog.com/2010/07...ngapore-again/

    "Among the hardest hit areas were Braddell Road, Joo Chiat Terrace, Changi Road, Bukit Timah and Delfi in Orchard Road.

    The Delfi Orchard, which was hit by the worst flooding in 26 years in June just less than a month ago, was again submerged in waist-deep waters."

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    Certainly have to avoid this ...

    But can some experts out there explain why are there so many floods in Sg lately ? Minus all the smoke abt improving infrastructure, etc ...

    Is it because it is really true that there are much much much more rain now ?

    Or ... are there some other factors unknown to us ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKSG
    Certainly have to avoid this ...

    But can some experts out there explain why are there so many floods in Sg lately ? Minus all the smoke abt improving infrastructure, etc ...

    Is it because it is really true that there are much much much more rain now ?

    Or ... are there some other factors unknown to us ?
    There is rampant speculation now Marina Barrage is the culprit...

    http://forum.channelnewsasia.com/vie...r=asc&start=50

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    I foresee the same problem at cascadia. lay of the land is even lower that of tessarina's, and similarly situated at the lowest point of a hill. i thought i read somewhere that for the longest time, it's been left almost as an abandoned construction site till the market picked up.

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    That's why I avoid projects built on sunken lands.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DKSG
    Certainly have to avoid this ...

    But can some experts out there explain why are there so many floods in Sg lately ? Minus all the smoke abt improving infrastructure, etc ...

    Is it because it is really true that there are much much much more rain now ?

    Or ... are there some other factors unknown to us ?
    Could it be due to sea level rising resulting from global warming and ice caps melting?

    My theory is that if the sea level is much lower than the land, then the water in the canals will flow out to the sea faster.

    On the other hand, if the sea level is higher than our land, then water cannot flow out to the sea quickly, and may even backflow into the land like Holland where the boy had to plug it with his finger.


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    can't confirm but this was my understanding: Cascadia was previously not owned by Allgreen but another developer which subsequently went bankrupt after the 97 financial crisis. thus, partially explained the delay and delay of cascadia's launch.

    Quote Originally Posted by gfoo
    I foresee the same problem at cascadia. lay of the land is even lower that of tessarina's, and similarly situated at the lowest point of a hill. i thought i read somewhere that for the longest time, it's been left almost as an abandoned construction site till the market picked up.

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    oops, does that mean rule no. 2 may need to be changed to air is more valuable than land becoz quite a bit of landed areas have been flooded lately?

    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    Could it be due to sea level rising resulting from global warming and ice caps melting?

    My theory is that if the sea level is much lower than the land, then the water in the canals will flow out to the sea faster.

    On the other hand, if the sea level is higher than our land, then water cannot flow out to the sea quickly, and may even backflow into the land like Holland where the boy had to plug it with his finger.


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    This is getting serious! i suspect due to global warming...many countries got unusual and extreme weather as well...see china, philippines....their floods r 100X more serious!

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    resale at Tessarina is not going to be "great" ~

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    actually, i noticed that on the days with flash floods the rain falls very very heavily over a short period of time. in the past, the rain falls lighter over a prolonged period of a few hours before a flood is caused. this is a clear example of climate change. singaporeans heck care lah, now it has hit us rite at our doorstep.

    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    This is getting serious! i suspect due to global warming...many countries got unusual and extreme weather as well...see china, philippines....their floods r 100X more serious!

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    Quote Originally Posted by devilplate
    This is getting serious! i suspect due to global warming...many countries got unusual and extreme weather as well...see china, philippines....their floods r 100X more serious!
    well some islands in the indian ocean off mauritius have disappeared, and the sea level off new zealand has fallen. theories abound of the entire continental plate subducting under the himalayas, thus tilting the plate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azeoprop
    That's why I avoid projects built on sunken lands.
    Thank god I balloted for Haig 162...

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    looks like multi-storey carpark is gona be better den basement carpark... LOL

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    That one about "freak rainfall" is media spin lah. The Orchard Road flood was only after 100mm of rain which is VERY NORMAL. Yesterday's overall rainfall was only 175mm - and flooding started within 20 minutes after 50mm of rainfall. Such rainfall is nowhere near freak accident. There were days with close to 400mm of rainfall in the past few years (before the Marina Barrage) with no massive island-wide flooding. There is no way our system is not engineered for such fairly normal rainfall - more incompetency than anything else.

    Quote Originally Posted by DKSG
    Certainly have to avoid this ...

    But can some experts out there explain why are there so many floods in Sg lately ? Minus all the smoke abt improving infrastructure, etc ...

    Is it because it is really true that there are much much much more rain now ?

    Or ... are there some other factors unknown to us ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild Falcon
    That one about "freak rainfall" is media spin lah. The Orchard Road flood was only after 100mm of rain which is VERY NORMAL. Yesterday's overall rainfall was only 175mm - and flooding started within 20 minutes after 50mm of rainfall. Such rainfall is nowhere near freak accident. There were days with close to 400mm of rainfall in the past few years (before the Marina Barrage) with no massive island-wide flooding. There is no way our system is not engineered for such fairly normal rainfall - more incompetency than anything else.
    Yah, such early morning "sumatras" storms happen all the time in the past during southwest monsoon months. It was common for trees to fall or get uprooted by the strong winds, however flash floods were rare, until the Barrage. Btw, other rivers in sg were recently dam up as well, such as punggol river and serangoon river (making of punggol waterfront). Basically, sg now do not have a proper river that flows into the sea.

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    So if Jlrx's speculation is correct, does that mean we should see reports of Sentosa Cove being in water soon?

    Senotsa cove's condos quite close to the edge of the shoreline and i see the waves crashing in the day also quite near the rocks leh.. (high tide time).

    Dunno with yesterday storm, would it be higher than the normal high tide?

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    the owners must be cursing their luck. where to find buyers when your carpark has a perennial problem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bargain hunter
    oops, does that mean rule no. 2 may need to be changed to air is more valuable than land becoz quite a bit of landed areas have been flooded lately?
    PROPERTISM Rule No. 2 still holds.

    PROPERTISM Rule No. 2 - Land is more valuable than air.

    Firstly, "Land" doesn't necessarily mean landed properties.

    "Land" includes properties with large site areas with open-air carparks which are enblocable!

    Secondly, not all landed properties are in low lying areas. Those that are on higher grounds are in fact safer than condos in lower grounds.



    No 31 Parbury Avenue sits on a sprawling 61,240 sq ft freehold site and, perched on the hilltop, is surrounded by a high retaining wall, so the property is not visible from street level.

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    at least we now know landed also dun anyhow chiong. doesn't mean big land, low psf or just simply any cheap landed can chiong in. more research to be done!


    Quote Originally Posted by jlrx
    PROPERTISM Rule No. 2 still holds.

    PROPERTISM Rule No. 2 - Land is more valuable than air.

    Firstly, "Land" doesn't necessarily mean landed properties.

    "Land" includes properties with large site areas with open-air carparks which are enblocable!

    Secondly, not all landed properties are in low lying areas. Those that are on higher grounds are in fact safer than condos in lower grounds.



    No 31 Parbury Avenue sits on a sprawling 61,240 sq ft freehold site and, perched on the hilltop, is surrounded by a high retaining wall, so the property is not visible from street level.

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    tats the heading for propertism only mah...got more details like avoid low lying lands blah blah.

    rule no.1 doesnt hold for Japan as well...lets see US ppty can recover back to previous peak!

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    Low lying land or not seems like we are regressing. This type of infrastructure problem is unacceptable from a so-called "1st world" govt
    LKY likes to claim he brought Spore from the 3rd world to 1st world, now he also bringing Spore back lol

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    I have a solution for the owners at tessarina. Move the swimming pool to the basement car park and convert the pool to multi-story car-park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HP65
    I have a solution for the owners at tessarina. Move the swimming pool to the basement car park and convert the pool to multi-story car-park.
    become indoor heated swimming pool.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kane
    become indoor heated swimming pool.
    Alternatively, build a multistory carpark as well as a rooftop swimming pool. Request the authorities and wing tai to work together to resolve the issue. Otherwise, its such a waste that the condo's carpark keeps getting flooded.

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    condo already more than 5 years after legal completion, mgmt corporation long formed... developer no more obligation liao ~

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    One of the ways is to install a pumping system. The water level indicator will first be activated at a preset level which will activate the alarm system in each household. Owners hopefully has ample time to response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DC33_2008
    One of the ways is to install a pumping system. The water level indicator will first be activated at a preset level which will activate the alarm system in each household. Owners hopefully has ample time to response.
    There is a pump, but I was told Bukit Timah canal was too full. Thus pump cannot channel the water out properly. There is also a flood warning system but its early in the morning...4.30am...

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